How do you know when a person is lying?
You ask questions!
Why?
His answers would be inconsistent and defy logic and common sense.

Example:
Ask Muslims what the last Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation is, they'll say

Qur'an 110:1-3
1. When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest,
2. And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes,
3. Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of repentance.


Ask Muslims the follow up question!
What is the last verse of the Qur'an according to Revelation, they'll say

Qur'an 2:281
"And fear the Day when you shall be brought back to Allah. Then every person shall be paid what he earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly." (Surah Al-Baqarah, 2:281)


Unfortunately, this should not even be the last verse or Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation. The last verse or Chapter should be

Qur'an 5:3
"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion." (Surah Al-Ma'idah, 5:3)

Why should Qur'an 5 be the last chapter?
It is obvious: if the religion of Islam is perfected, there should no longer be any revelation of the Qur'an after it.

As I understand that Muslim scholars are at dispute over this responses to the questions, you may correct me if you are at variance with my responses.

No wonder, Christians are confused about the Authenticity of the Qur'an:
Imagine the play by Shakespeare on Macbeth or Romeo and Juliet with Scenes reordered randomly about
AND
not only that the Acts were moved from one scene to another random scene YET the the Play is still supposed to be perfectly preserved according the the original Shakespeare book in Buckingham Palace England



Muslims should have some convincing Answers to these apparent sequence of illogicalities

Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?
2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?
3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

If I made any errors , correct me please




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TenQ:
How do you know when a person is lying?
You ask questions!
Why?
His answers would be inconsistent and defy logic and common sense.

Example:
Ask Muslims what the last Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation is, they'll say

Qur'an 110:1-3
1. When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest,
2. And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes,
3. Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of repentance.


Ask Muslims the follow up question!
What is the last verse of the Qur'an according to Revelation, they'll say

Qur'an 2:281
"And fear the Day when you shall be brought back to Allah. Then every person shall be paid what he earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly." (Surah Al-Baqarah, 2:281)


Unfortunately, this should not even be the last verse or Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation. The last verse or Chapter should be

Qur'an 5:3
"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion." (Surah Al-Ma'idah, 5:3)

Why should Qur'an 5 be the last chapter?
It is obvious: if the religion of Islam is perfected, there should no longer be any revelation of the Qur'an after it.

As I understand that Muslim scholars are at dispute over this responses to the questions, you may correct me if you are at variance with my responses.

No wonder, Christians are confused:
Imagine the play by Shakespeare on Macbeth or Romeo and Juliet with Scenes reordered randomly about
AND
not only that the Acts were moved from one scene to another random scene YET the the Play is still supposed to be perfectly preserved according the the original Shakespeare book in Buckingham Palace England



Muslims should have some convincing Answers to these apparent sequence of illogicalities

Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?
2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?
3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

If I made any errors , correct me please




Cc:
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Isaiah 28:8-12 (KJV) For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

You dodged answering the question!
Why?

Lukuluku69:


Isaiah 28:8-12 (KJV) For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

The questions were extremely simple sir.




Muslims should have some convincing Answers to these apparent sequence of illogicalities

Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?
2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?
3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

If I made any errors , correct me please

If indeed the Qur'an is perfectly preserved, how come it looks like wind blew off the pages of the Qur'an and some random guys just helped picked up the papers for binding?

The questions are difficult when more Taqqiya is needed to duct tape what already have holes,!

TenQ:
You dodged answering the question!
Why?



The questions were extremely simple sir.




Muslims should have some convincing Answers to these apparent sequence of illogicalities

Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?
2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?
3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

If I made any errors , correct me please

No error just confused.

You are confused.

Tomes exists on the arrangements of the Chapters and verses. Search for them and read.

Lukuluku69:


No error just confused.

You are confused.

Tomes exists on the arrangements of the Chapters and verses. Search for them and read.

This is your new strategy!?

Your new strategy takes you nowhere!?


Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?

2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?

3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

TenQ:

This is your new strategy!?

Your new strategy takes you nowhere!?


Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?

2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?

3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

Isaiah 28:8-12 (KJV) For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Lukuluku69:


Isaiah 28:8-12 (KJV) For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Can you please explain how your copy-paste relate to the questions.


Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?

2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?

3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

Mr Lukuluku69,
Don't you care to know some truths about Islam?

I know it is different from the lessons your Scholars would knowingly teach you but, I am your friend not an enemy.

My job is to make you go above Memorising rhetorics but getting to the level of compression.

I am your friend, not an enemy!

TenQ:
Mr Lukuluku69,
Don't you care to know some truths about Islam?

I know it is different from the lessons your Scholars would knowingly teach you but, I am your friend not an enemy.

My job is to make you go above Memorising rhetorics but getting to the level of compression.

I am your friend, not an enemy!

TENQ don't you care to know more about Islam from your Bible?

It is quite different from the dross you have been fed with all these years?

My job is to make you go above the present brainwashing type of reasoning and liberate you. Thousands are being freed daily all over the world by seeing the Lights of Islam and taking the Shahada.

Don't you want to join in the worldwide brotherhood where the Worship of The One True God is worshipped sincerely?

TenQ:

Can you please explain how your copy-paste relate to the questions.


Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?

2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?

3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

Are you ready to be weaned?

Lukuluku69:


No error just confused.

You are confused.

Tomes exists on the arrangements of the Chapters and verses. Search for them and read.

Maybe the reasons for the re-arrangement doesn't go with reasons backing them up, hence my three questions.

And I asked:
If I made any errors , correct me please

Lukuluku69:


Are you ready to be weaned?

Of course, that is why I asked you knowledgeable Muslims on Nairaland. Since not all Muslims know about this, it is an opportunity to show them that TenQ is wrong as usual.


Like I said:
Christians like me are confused because instead of explanations, Muslims just give rhetorics which does NOT explain WHY

The Question of WHY is the Most Important Question!



Imagine the play by Shakespeare on Macbeth or Romeo and Juliet with Scenes reordered randomly about
AND
not only that the Acts were moved from one scene to another random scene YET the the Play is still supposed to be perfectly preserved according the the original Shakespeare book in Buckingham Palace England

Lukuluku69:


TENQ don't you care to know more about Islam from your Bible?

It is quite different from the dross you have been fed with all these years?

My job is to make you go above the present brainwashing type of reasoning and liberate you. Thousands are being freed daily all over the world by seeing the Lights of Islam and taking the Shahada.

Don't you want to join in the worldwide brotherhood where the Worship of The One True God is worshipped sincerely?

Allah never described himself as One God: he described himself as "One Of", I don't know where you got one God from. But let's leave this till another day.

Islam in the Bible!?

I've been thoroughly disappointed with what you Muslim "dawahrsits" claim in the Bible represent Islam and Mohammed. You betray your gross IGNORANCE of logic, with the culture and the religion of the Jews in all your make-believe verses. But since you are a scholar of Islam, you can create a thread on it and I will join you.

Isn't the Shahada itself association of a sinful human being with the name and knowledge of God? I think I've asked the question before:
Can I become a Muslim without the shahada Associating Mohammed with Allah?
The answer was a resounding NO!


I worship the ONE God who is the Self-Existing , Ever-Living, All-powerful, Omnipresent and ONLY Creator of EVERYTHING!

You are the one who should question who you worship!

TenQ:

Maybe the reasons for the re-arrangement doesn't go with reasons backing them up, hence my three questions.

And I asked:
If I made any errors , correct me please

The Prophet made the arrangements as it is. He is the One inspired. Our responsibility is to "Hear and Obey".

And before you ask when he made the arrangements, the Quran is read Daily at least 5 times in a day.

So, you are not in error when you noticed the arrangements. We don't question Prophets unnecessarily. We Muslims don't question it because the arrangements came from our Prophet.

So, rest. If you ask from now till when you man-god is supposed to come back, it doesn't cut any ice with the Muslims but you might have a field day with you fellow man-worshippers.

By the way, the Isaiah I quoted talked about a Book that will be delivered to an "Unlearned individual" where precept will be upon precept, line will be upon line, a little here and a little there" meaning similar precept will follow, similar ideas will be after each other and LITTLE HERE AND A LITTLE THERE meaning seemingly unrelated matters will come after each other..... It is all part of the DESIGN OF THAT BOOK.

But it doesn't mean a thing to you because you don't believe in that Book that doesn't make a Disbelieve in it for others.

TenQ:

Allah never described himself as One God: he described himself as "One Of", I don't know where you got one God from. But let's leave this till another day.

Islam in the Bible!?

I've been thoroughly disappointed with what you Muslim "dawahrsits" claim in the Bible represent Islam and Mohammed. You betray your gross IGNORANCE of logic, with the culture and the religion of the Jews in all your make-believe verses. But since you are a scholar of Islam, you can create a thread on it and I will join you.

Isn't the Shahada itself association of a sinful human being with the name and knowledge of God? I think I've asked the question before:
Can I become a Muslim without the shahada including Mohammed?
The answer was a resounding NO!


I worship the ONE God who is the Self-Existing , Ever-Living, All-powerful, Omnipresent and ONLY Creator of EVERYTHING!

You are the one who should question who you worship!

Very funny.

A Polytheist questioning a Monotheist.

You have Data and a Device. Use it and search for a MONOTHEIST AND A PLOYTHEIST.

Lukuluku69:


The Prophet made the arrangements as it is. He is the One inspired. Our responsibility is to "Hear and Obey".

And before you ask when he made the arrangements, the Quran is read Daily at least 5 times in a day.

So, you are not in error when you noticed the arrangements. We don't question Prophets unnecessarily. We Muslims don't question it because the arrangements came from our Prophet.

So, rest. If you ask from now till when you man-god is supposed to come back, it doesn't cut any ice with the Muslims but you might have a field day with you fellow man-worshippers.

Thanks for being Truthful on this.
I will come back to it after dealing with your claim of Prophet Isaiah

Lukuluku69:

By the way, the Isaiah I quoted talked about a Book that will be delivered to an "Unlearned individual" where precept will be upon precept, line will be upon line, a little here and a little there" meaning similar precept will follow, similar ideas will be after each other and LITTLE HERE AND A LITTLE THERE meaning seemingly unrelated matters will come after each other..... It is all part of the DESIGN OF THAT BOOK.

But it doesn't mean a thing to you because you don't believe in that Book that doesn't make a Disbelieve in it for others.

My Problem with Muslim apologists is that they all do copy-paste when a person they think is knowledgeable writes something about the bible that they think support the claim of Islam.

Let me educate you starting from
WHO?
Isa 29:1-3:
"Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelled! add you year to year; let them kill sacrifices. Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be to me as Ariel. And I will camp against you round about, and will lay siege against you with a mount, and I will raise forts against you."

Here, God pronounces Judgement on Jerusalem and the fact that they would be besieged all around them.

WHY?

Isa 28:7-8:
"But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean."

Because the leaders of Jerusalem have gotten themselves intoxicated and their character is like vomit and filthiness

WHAT?
Isa 28:9-11:
"Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be on precept, precept on precept; line on line, line on line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

Here God speaks of the enslavement of Jerusalem since with all the care they have received from God, they (the Leaders of Jerusalem) have refused to learn. Therefore, by force they would learn from their Captors who would be of strange tongues little by little, step by stem in a language they barely understand.

ADDRESSEE:
Isa 28:14:
"Why hear the word of the LORD, you scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem."

The Lord God made it clear who He speaks about: the LEADERS of Jerusalem!

THE JUDGEMENT OF JERUSALEM:
Isa 29:1-7:
"Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelled! add you year to year; let them kill sacrifices. Yet I will distress Ariel , and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be to me as Ariel. And I will camp against you round about, and will lay siege against you with a mount, and I will raise forts against you. And you shall be brought down, and shall speak out of the ground, and your speech shall be low out of the dust, and your voice shall be, as of one that has a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and your speech shall whisper out of the dust. Moreover the multitude of your strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passes away: yes, it shall be at an instant suddenly. You shall be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire. And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her fortification, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision."

God says to JERUSALEM (Ariel) even if they make sacrifices to plead for atonement, He would not listen to them, their calamity must surely befall them.

JERUSALEM WILL NOT REPENT TILL GOD JUDGES THEM:
Isa 29:10-12:
"For the LORD has poured out on you the spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers has he covered. And the vision of all is become to you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray you: and he said, I cannot; for it is sealed: And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray you: and he said, I am not learned."

God says that the reason why they would not change before their calamity is because God has covered their eyes AND the eyes of their Seers such that EVEN when they READ the prophecy of their CALAMITY, it will NOT make any sense to them.


So my friend Lukuluku69,
I don't know where Mohammed or Islam comes into the picture of these prophecy. You may be able to explain how!
The prophecy had even been fully EXECUTED. The Isrealites spent 70 years in slavery in Babylon and the Isrealites returned back

According to the prophecy of Isaiah, the destruction of Jerusalem was accomplished by the Babylonian Empire in 586 BC. Isaiah prophesied that Jerusalem would be destroyed and its inhabitants would be taken into captivity by a foreign power, which was fulfilled when the Babylonians, under the leadership of King Nebuchadnezzar, conquered Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple.

1. There is NO book to be delivered by ANY unlearned individual
2. It is good you realise that the Qur'an speaks of seemingly unrelated matters. This is simply because by revelation it probably had some semblance to related order BUT by the magic of reordering and rearrangement, it lost every apparent sense of correlation

I challenge you to show specifically where prophet Isaiah says:
A Book will be delivered to an "Unlearned individual"

Like I said:
I appreciate when Muslims say the Truth rather than twist and turn in every manner of escape manuvers!
Thank you!

Lukuluku69:


The Prophet made the arrangements as it is. He is the One inspired. Our responsibility is to "Hear and Obey".

And before you ask when he made the arrangements, the Quran is read Daily at least 5 times in a day.

So, you are not in error when you noticed the arrangements. We don't question Prophets unnecessarily. We Muslims don't question it because the arrangements came from our Prophet.

So, rest. If you ask from now till when you man-god is supposed to come back, it doesn't cut any ice with the Muslims but you might have a field day with you fellow man-worshippers.
...
.

You as Muslims may not Question your prophet but we Christians do.
Why?
You Muslims have repeatedly claimed that Mohammed is just a man like us only that he was a prophet. He's a sinner like the rest of us. He died like all men would die. He is NOT Allah.

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?


FINALLY:
5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

TenQ:
Like I said:
I appreciate when Muslims say the Truth rather than twist and turn in every manner of escape manuvers!
Thank you!

You as Muslims may not Question your prophet but we Christians do.
Why?
You Muslims have repeatedly claimed that Mohammed is just a man like us only that he was a prophet. He's a sinner like the rest of us. He died like all men would die. He is NOT Allah.

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?


FINALLY:
5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

You can twist it anyhow you want. It doesn't matter to me/us.

Your thinking is yours only and if you ask your question and did not get the responses after your fancy, e no concern me/us.

There is enough hows and why in your Faith to be bothered about, that you choose not to go after them is your business not mine.

Lukuluku69:


Very funny.

A Polytheist questioning a Monotheist.

You have Data and a Device. Use it and search for a MONOTHEIST AND A PLOYTHEIST.

I guess I should write about the seeming Oneness of Allah so that we all learn.

It's not by word of mouth but with Islamic literatures would this be done.


Sneek preview:
Qur'an 5:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the Messiah,
the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.

So, even if Allah disagree with us, according to we Christians, the Messiah is NOT a partner of Allah: The Messiah is God Himself!

Except there is a serious contradiction within the Qur'an

Lukuluku69:


You can twist it anyhow you want. It doesn't matter to me/us.

Your thinking is yours only and if you ask your question and did not get the responses after your fancy, e no concern me/us.

There is enough hows and why in your Faith to be bothered about, that you choose not to go after them is your business not mine.

Unfortunately, you have not even answered just ONE of the questions post not to speak of answering them according to our fancies.


If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?

How do you know when a person is lying?
You ask questions!
Why?
His answers would be inconsistent and defy logic and common sense.

Example:
Ask Muslims what the last Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation is, they'll say

Qur'an 110:1-3
1. When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest,
2. And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes,
3. Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of repentance.


Ask Muslims the follow up question!
What is the last verse of the Qur'an according to Revelation, they'll say

Qur'an 2:281
"And fear the Day when you shall be brought back to Allah. Then every person shall be paid what he earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly." (Surah Al-Baqarah, 2:281)


Unfortunately, this should not even be the last verse or Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation. The last verse or Chapter should be

Qur'an 5:3
"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion." (Surah Al-Ma'idah, 5:3)

Why should Qur'an 5 be the last chapter?
It is obvious: if the religion of Islam is perfected, there should no longer be any revelation of the Qur'an after it.

As I understand that Muslim scholars are at dispute over this responses to the questions, you may correct me if you are at variance with my responses.

No wonder, Christians are confused about the logic of Islam's Qur'an:
Imagine the play by Shakespeare on Macbeth or Romeo and Juliet with Scenes reordered randomly about
AND
not only that the Acts were moved from one scene to another random scene YET the the Play is still supposed to be perfectly preserved according the the original Shakespeare book in Buckingham Palace England



Muslims should have some convincing Answers to these apparent sequence of illogicalities

Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?
2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?
3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

If I made any errors , correct me please




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If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
(That) indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.



Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?



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Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji , Encyclopedia1 , Raheeqilmaktoom , Bintdawood , Flanker

TenQ:
If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
(That) indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.



Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?



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You have concocted your own meaning to the verse. You see why if bible had been left in its original language till today, many if the fake translation would not have happened.

Quran 69:40

“Indeed, this ˹Quran˺ is the recitation of a noble Messenger.”

Recitation is different from “words “. I hope that clears your mind. Quran is revealed by Allah. And the messenger recites it to believers just as it was revealed to him.

drlateef:

You have concocted your own meaning to the verse. You see why if bible had been left in its original language till today, many if the fake translation would not have happened.

Quran 69:40

“Indeed, this ˹Quran˺ is the recitation of a noble Messenger.”

Recitation is different from “words “. I hope that clears your mind. Quran is revealed by Allah. And the messenger recites it to believers just as it was revealed to him.

You are welcome drLateef,

The bible is available freely online in the original Languages if you are interested . LOL!



Unfortunately, your Islamic scholars have executed their Taqqiya on you therefore, let me help you out

1. The word لَقَوْلُ (laqawuu) does not in ANYWAYS translate to recitation. It is a word which is used as to say OR say OR saying OR words OR utterance

See Attachment 1.

2. The Word recitation in Arabic can be written in 8 different ways such as show to you in attachment 2 AND لَقَوْلُ is NOT among

3. Your Interlinear Translation from Qur'an.com accurately translate لَقَوْلُ as surely the words of a noble Messanger.

So you see that the interpretation of Qur'an 69:40 is NOT my own but your Islamic book

Qur'an 69:40
(That) indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.


Tell whoever Scholar that told you by Taqqiya that لَقَوْلُ means recitation that he is a big fat LIAR

TenQ:
If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
(That) indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.



Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?



Cc:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, Haekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, thatsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana Compton11 , Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore
Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji , Encyclopedia1 , Raheeqilmaktoom , Bintdawood , Flanker

CHRISTIAN SCHOOL OF ISLAMIC MISGUIDED
COURSE CODE : CRS 6940
COURSE TITLE : MUHAMMAD QUR'AN
OBJECTIVE : AT THE END OF THE LESSON
WITH MISINTERPRETATION,
STUDENTS WITH POOR / BASIC
KNOWLEDGE OR ENEMY OF
ISLAM, WILL BE ABLE TO AGREE
THAT MUHAMMAD AUTHORED
QUR'AN LIKE KING JAMES.
SUSPICION: A CRITICAL STUDENTS , AT THE
THE END OF THE LESSON, WILL
BE SUSPICIOUS THAT WE DON'T
HAVE MUHAMMAD QUR'AN
LIKE KING JAMES BIBLE.

drlateef:





You have concocted your own meaning to the verse. You see why if bible had been left in its original language till today, many if the fake translation would not have happened.

Quran 69:40

“Indeed, this ˹Quran˺ is the recitation of a noble Messenger.”

Recitation is different from “words “. I hope that clears your mind. Quran is revealed by Allah. And the messenger recites it to believers just as it was revealed to him.

Dear brother in Islam
Bother not answering him or arguing with him.
You must have suspected that his posts from multiple Christianized fake Islamic sites full of fake Hadiths and doctored or porported Islamic sources, with selection of some of us muslims is a plan, an internet war. To me the best way to handle him is that any time he posted his jargons, give him shorted reply and throw at him A WEAKNESS OR BAD ABOUT CHRISTIANITY from Hammed Deedat books or from the SERMONS OF ISLAM- CHRISTIAN COMPARATIVE MUSLIM LECTURERS.

gaskiyamagana:

CHRISTIAN SCHOOL OF ISLAMIC MISGUIDED
COURSE CODE : CRS 6940
COURSE TITLE : MUHAMMAD QUR'AN
OBJECTIVE : AT THE END OF THE LESSON
WITH MISINTERPRETATION,
STUDENTS WITH POOR / BASIC
KNOWLEDGE OR ENEMY OF
ISLAM, WILL BE ABLE TO AGREE
THAT MUHAMMAD AUTHORED
QUR'AN LIKE KING JAMES.
SUSPICION: A CRITICAL STUDENTS , AT THE
THE END OF THE LESSON, WILL
BE SUSPICIOUS THAT WE DON'T
HAVE MUHAMMAD QUR'AN
LIKE KING JAMES BIBLE.

Thank you for the free advertising!

However, I would have preferred that you answered the questions instead.

If Jubril RECITED the Qur'an to Mohammed according to the revelation of Allah from the big Qur'an in paradise
1. Did Jubril mix up the Qur'an in recitation so that Mohammed has to correct it?

2. Is there a Hadith or Tafsir or any Islamic literature where Allah instructs Mohammed to re-arrange the Qur'an?

3. Is the Qur'an the Book of Allah or the Book of Mohammed?
Would you agree that only Allah and NOT has the right to re-arrange his book?

4. Let's assume that Allah re-arranged his Qur'an: we want to know WHY?
Since Allah is all-knowing, his book should have been edited and re-arranged BEFORE recitation.

5. Does this not unequivocally PROVE that the Author of the Qur'an is Mohammed and not Allah?

Qur'an 69:40
(That) indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.



Can you help a Christian brother struggling to understand what was done to the Qur'an?

You should be happy I am making Muslims know Islam better shouldn't you?
Except if you find something I've said in error, then I'll be willing to correct such


As per copying from Christian sites, this is easy to verify after such a long time of me posting about Islam.

Have I said anything that is not from Islamic references?

gaskiyamagana:

Dear brother in Islam
Bother not answering him or arguing with him.
You must have suspected that his posts from multiple Christianized fake Islamic sites full of fake Hadiths and doctored or porported Islamic sources, with selection of some of us muslims is a plan, an internet war. To me the best way to handle him is that any time he posted his jargons, give him shorted reply and throw at him A WEAKNESS OR BAD ABOUT CHRISTIANITY from Hammed Deedat books or from the SERMONS OF ISLAM- CHRISTIAN COMPARATIVE MUSLIM LECTURERS.

I didn't Quote any Hadith today sir. I used your Qur'an and traditions.

In which area was I in error, I'll like to be corrected!

Ahmed Deedat is a good friend of mine through his books. I nearly RECITED the shahada in my 200 Level because I read ALMOST all his books.

It was contradictions and inconsistencies in the Qur'an that stopped me. I went to do more research on both Islam and Christianity.

This was how TenQ who knows both Islam and Christianity was born.

So, bring anything from Ahmed Deedat or better still Zakir Naik . Let me floor them both in your presence!


Cc: drLateef

For those just joining us: here is the gist

How do you know when a person is lying?
You ask questions!
Why?
His answers would be inconsistent and defy logic and common sense.

Example:
Ask Muslims what the last Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation is, they'll say

Qur'an 110:1-3
1. When the victory of Allah has come and the conquest,
2. And you see the people entering into the religion of Allah in multitudes,
3. Then exalt [Him] with praise of your Lord and ask forgiveness of Him. Indeed, He is ever Accepting of repentance.


Ask Muslims the follow up question!
What is the last verse of the Qur'an according to Revelation, they'll say

Qur'an 2:281
"And fear the Day when you shall be brought back to Allah. Then every person shall be paid what he earned, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly." (Surah Al-Baqarah, 2:281)


Unfortunately, this should not even be the last verse or Chapter of the Qur'an according to Revelation. The last verse or Chapter should be

Qur'an 5:3
"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion." (Surah Al-Ma'idah, 5:3)

Why should Qur'an 5 be the last chapter?
It is obvious: if the religion of Islam is perfected, there should no longer be any revelation of the Qur'an after it.

As I understand that Muslim scholars are at dispute over this responses to the questions, you may correct me if you are at variance with my responses.

No wonder, Christians are confused about the Authenticity of the Qur'an:
Imagine the play by Shakespeare on Macbeth or Romeo and Juliet with Scenes reordered randomly about
AND
not only that the Acts were moved from one scene to another random scene YET the the Play is still supposed to be perfectly preserved according the the original Shakespeare book in Buckingham Palace England



Muslims should have some convincing Answers to these apparent sequence of illogicalities

Questions for Muslims:
1. Can you explain how the last verse of revelation of the Qur'an (Qur'an 2:281) is ABSENT from the last Chapter (Qur'an 110) according to the order of Revelation of the Qur'an?
2. I assume that the Qur'an was memorised by the Sahaba according to Revelation (except there was no memorisation in the first place): who authorized the rearrangement and misplacement of verses and Chapters of the Qur'an?
3. If the Big Qur'an exist in heaven, Can we authoritatively say that Jubril revealed the chapters of the Qur'an one after the other or the Qur'an is just the Hadith compilations of Mohammed?

If I made any errors , correct me please




Flanker has not been able to flank me today. The guy is a guru in Arabic!

TenQ:
You should be happy I am making Muslims know Islam better shouldn't you?
Except if you find something I've said in error, then I'll be willing to correct such


As per copying from Christian sites, this is easy to verify after such a long time of me posting about Islam.

Have I said anything that is not from Islamic references?

I didn't Quote any Hadith today sir. I used your Qur'an and traditions.

In which area was I in error, I'll like to be corrected!

Ahmed Deedat is a good friend of mine through his books. I nearly RECITED the shahada in my 200 Level because I read ALMOST all his books.

It was contradictions and inconsistencies in the Qur'an that stopped me. I went to do more research on both Islam and Christianity.

This was how TenQ who knows both Islam and Christianity was born.

So, bring anything from Ahmed Deedat or better still Zakir Naik . Let me floor them both in your presence!


Cc: drLateef

Unfortunately your intention appears not pure. Otherwise you will not see any contradictions. Understanding is your problem.

TenQ:

Allah never described himself as One God: he described himself as "One Of", I don't know where you got one God from. But let's leave this till another day.

Islam in the Bible!?

I've been thoroughly disappointed with what you Muslim "dawahrsits" claim in the Bible represent Islam and Mohammed. You betray your gross IGNORANCE of logic, with the culture and the religion of the Jews in all your make-believe verses. But since you are a scholar of Islam, you can create a thread on it and I will join you.

Isn't the Shahada itself association of a sinful human being with the name and knowledge of God? I think I've asked the question before:
Can I become a Muslim without the shahada Associating Mohammed with Allah?
The answer was a resounding NO!


I worship the ONE God who is the Self-Existing , Ever-Living, All-powerful, Omnipresent and ONLY Creator of EVERYTHING!

You are the one who should question who you worship!

I dey salivate o. Abeg expose how Allah come tell dem say him be 'one of.' My ears dey itch me. Kikikikiki.