TonyeBarcanista:
Minister and Minister of State are simply ranks within a ministry. Both occupants are ministers but with different responsibilities and hierarchy within the ministry. It still doesn't negate the fact that both are ministers with equal privileges at the Federal Executive Council.

It's like in the Senate, all 109 Senators are equal Senators but the Senate President is of higher rank than Others in the Chamber - likewise a Senate Committee Chairman is of higher rank than other members of the Committee - yet, they all have the same right and privileges as Senators

something is unconstitutional and aberration
every other discussion about that holds no water.....it shouldn't exist in the first place

stop plucking stuff from the air trying to justify aberrations

maticar:

something is unconstitutional and aberration
every other discussion about that holds no water.....it shouldn't exist in the first place

stop plucking stuff from the air trying to justify aberrations

How is it an aberration? The President is constitutionally empowered to appoint ministers and assign responsibilities to each.

Keyamo, oje nile oro je nile egungun, this means that after eating buhari government finished, you now prepare to also eat with tinubu, this is what I can termed as hypocrisy of the highest order, tinubu should not forget that these are sycophant, if you appoint them, on the eve of the expiration of you tenure he will still say the same thing. This is time those who gave him SAN should withdraw it for him, without delay, because as a lawyer, who know the law, but benefit from the product of illegality 8 years. As Fufai of Arise tv have said, you must return all the money collected from day one of his appointment till date.

naijabetlee:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2023/05/keyamo-to-buhari-its-unconstitutional-to-appoint-minister-of-state-2/amp/

It's true but he should have resigned long ago and bring it to the notice of Mr president. Why now?

This is a clear case of "Do not talk while eating". The food has ended now, the Jnr Minister has started to rant again. He should quietly return all the emoluments he received while occupying that office.

juman:
His explanation is clear.
But next government would still appoint them to settle politicians.

The "need" for the portfolio of the "minister of state" is to balance the geographic spread of having someone from the 36 states as ministers not necessarily to "settle politicians".

naijabetlee:

"...the President shall appoint at least one Minister from each State, who shall be an indigene of such State..."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2023/05/keyamo-to-buhari-its-unconstitutional-to-appoint-minister-of-state-2/amp/

So in essence, there should be at least 36 ministries, if each state should have a minister and there should not be minister of state.
This guy na just SAN for paper not for reasoning.

other country have deputy minister, so minister of a ministry and minister of state for that ministry no be the same thing?




Keyamo should stop sounding like finished educated bamboo

TonyeBarcanista:

In the ministry of transportation (2015-19), Amaechi was the minister of transportation, Hadi Sirika was the minister of state (Aviation). Sirika was responsible for Aviation sector within the ministry, while Amaechi was responsible for land and sea sectors. Amaechi was the senior in rank but he had no jurisdiction over Aviation matters within the ministry.

In Education ministry, the minister of education is responsible for Tertiary Education while the Minister of state for education is responsible for primary and secondary education

The Minister of State example is a poor one. Why? Because prior to the Buhari administration, Aviation had its own separate ministry. For what ever reason, Buhari decided to merge the Aviation ministry with transportation and appointed Hadi Abubakar Sirika as minister of state for Aviation. Meanwhile the structures of the Aviation ministry were never dismounted, so Hadi Abubakar Sirika from Stella Oduah left. He was never under the minister of transportation. By 2019, Buhari realised his mistake and reappointed him as minister of aviation.

The Minister of State for education suffers the same aberration Keyamo is talking about, it does not make sense. He is still under the substantive minister and cannot do anything without the approval of the minister. He is in the same office building with the minister. Forget about splitting responsibilities between Primary, Secondary and Tertiary Education, the minister is the one that has the final say on education.

Afraid of being minister of state again,he want to make a statement to Tinubu.

OkoRemi2023:
other country have deputy minister, so minister of a ministry and minister of state for that ministry no be the same thing?




Keyamo should stop sounding like finished educated bamboo

Not exactly correct. Deputy ministers or under secretaries in other countries are not political appointments, but career civil servants. They are usually the most senior civil servant in the department, something like our permanent secretaries.

TonyeBarcanista:
No Sir, Ministers of State are NOT deputies to Ministers - They are all ministers with different portfolios. It was the fault of Buhari not to assign specific responsibility to Keyamo, leaving him at the mercy of the principal minister. Hadi Sirika was a junior minister in the Ministry of Transportation (2015-2019) but was defined specific responsibilities and exercises full powers of a minister - Memo, Contract etc relating to Aviation.

A good President or
Managing director DO NOT micro-manage his or her managers, from OBj to PMB , Ministers of State have little or no action in whatever portfolio that may have been assigned to them.
Some have been asking Keyamo where is the 774000 jobs created, the primary Minister can hijack it and give peanuts to his junior minister.
I have been close to a former minister of state.
Primary Minister's office is always a beehive of activities, while Minister's of State office looks like a kiosk.

maticar:

something is unconstitutional and aberration
every other discussion about that holds no water.....it shouldn't exist in the first place

stop plucking stuff from the air trying to justify aberrations

Don’t mind the yeye person.

The person concerned stated clearly that it is not a constitutional position and yet the young man tries to tell us that black is white.

That’s the reason why Nigerians will keep on following terrible leaders, who make them suffer.

His comment about the senate president clearly exposes his ignorance.

Werey! Why u nor talk since Inception make he replace you

naijabetlee:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2023/05/keyamo-to-buhari-its-unconstitutional-to-appoint-minister-of-state-2/amp/

. People raised objection when OBJ started it. If it is full Minister Minister of state or Assistant Minister..who cares? Our focus is masses not portfolio appellations

highoctane:

A good President or
Managing director DO NOT micro-manage his or her managers, from OBj to PMB , Ministers of State have little or no action in whatever portfolio that may have been assigned to them.
Some have been asking Keyamo where is the 774000 jobs created, the primary Minister can hijack it and give peanuts to his junior minister.

There is nothing like primary minister - both are ministers with different responsibilities. The MOS doesn't deputies the minister, he is only assigned with lesser responsibilities by the president.

And no minister cab hijack any responsibility given to the MOS by the appointer - the President. Both minister and minister of state answers to the President

I have been close to a former minister of state.
Primary Minister's office is always a beehive of activities, while Minister's of State office looks like a kiosk.

There is nothing like 'primary minister' as stated earlier


Meanwhile, it's normal for the minister's office to be bubbling, this is because he has greater responsibilities and greater clout. The more the merrier!

highoctane:

A good President or
Managing director DO NOT micro-manage his or her managers, from OBj to PMB , Ministers of State have little or no action in whatever portfolio that may have been assigned to them.
Some have been asking Keyamo where is the 774000 jobs created, the primary Minister can hijack it and give peanuts to his junior minister.
I have been close to a former minister of state.
Primary Minister's office is always a beehive of activities, while Minister's of State office looks like a kiosk.

I honestly don't understand why TonyeBarcanista is defending nonsense. The current minister of health is a relative. When he was minister of state for health, he did nothing, he had no responsibility or powers whatsoever. He was more of a ghost in the government. Even him vented out the same frustrations keyamo is expressing now.

wirinet:

I honestly don't understand why TonyeBarcanista is defending nonsense. The current minister of health is a relative. When he was minister of state for health, he did nothing, he had no responsibility or powers whatsoever. He was more of a ghost in the government. Even him vented out the same frustrations keyamo is expressing now.

His appointer (the President) did not specify his duties...

TonyeBarcanista:
Minister and Minister of State are simply ranks within a ministry. Both occupants are ministers but with different responsibilities and hierarchy within the ministry. It still doesn't negate the fact that both are ministers with equal privileges at the Federal Executive Council.

It's like in the Senate, all 109 Senators are equal Senators but the Senate President is of higher rank than Others in the Chamber - likewise a Senate Committee Chairman is of higher rank than other members of the Committee - yet, they all have the same right and privileges as Senators

Not true and nothing you say here can make it true. There's no similarity between both.
First, the positions of Senator and Senate president are both recognized and explicitly provided for in the Constitution but not so with 'Minister of State.'

I think the Minister of State stuff was created for two reasons: one for administrative conveniences and second to satisfy the constitutional provision of having a minister from each of the 36 states, since there aren't up to 36 ministries. However, to the extent that the office isn't provided in the.Constituoon, it's unconstitutional, I don't know about being illegal though.

Keyamo though is being clever by half, as a SAN of many years, he should have known not to accept an unconstitutional appointment. To have waited till 4 days to the end of the appointment before speaking out is dishonesty.

huptin:
You waited till you finish chopping before complaining! Cunning man!!

His intentions may be out of order given the provision of the constitution for minister from every state.
But the country is come and eat at the central government

wirinet:


So what separates the Minister of State from Permanent Secretaries or other non political heads of ministries?

It is better you re a perm Sec or a DG to a ministry than a Minister of State or whatever. I am speaking from experience. They re like BMW spare tyres, rarely used.

TonyeBarcanista:
Exactly, and that makes the Senate President superior in rank but equal in terms of rights and privileges as a Senator. His office (SP) is what is superior (rank).

Ministers and Ministers of State enjoy the same right and privileges at the FEC as Ministers but their offices means the Minister is superior in rank than the MoS within the ministry. However, both are ministers

he isn't superior anything... He doesn't even vote in Senate proceeding except their is a tie... He is just to moderate house proceedings and is the captain of national assembly...

Kukutenla:

He is higher in rank. He's the 3rd man in the hierarchy to the presidency. Even the speaker is higher in rank than senators.

which rank?? Someone chosen by his or her colleagues... He is ist amongst equals... Just like prime minister is in a parliamentary govt... If majority in Senate don't agree to a Bill it goes no where and Senate president is bounded by house rules all members agreed to

juman:
His explanation is clear.
But next government would still appoint them to settle politicians.

What Barrister Keyamo said should be Work In Progress!
What he is trying to tell the Incoming Govt is that - the Cost of Governance can be drastically reduced,since the 'Minister of State' can't shine above/over the Minister!
Why can't we consider it,- to reduced the heavy cost that 2- Ministers are struggling to have, afterall,It is not in our Constitution to have two -Ministers but or was just for the boys to eat '

OGHENAOGIE:
which rank?? Someone chosen by his or her colleagues... He is ist amongst equals... Just like prime minister is in a parliamentary govt... If majority in Senate don't agree to a Bill it goes no where and Senate president is bounded by house rules all members agreed to

How does all that make him of same rank with his colleagues. It's just like saying Manager of a company employed by the owner is of same rank as other staff of the company

I pity those useless afonjas that voted for this apc .. Buhari is not longer their demigod.. all they want is to keep hold of power and be milking the country dry... every new incoming administration is their main man.. watch as they waste another 4yrs of our lives blaming Buhari

Kukutenla:

How does all that make him of same rank with his colleagues. It's just like saying Manager of a company employed by the owner is of same rank as other staff of the company

the Senate president is primus inter pares ist amongst equals... Just like a prime minister is ist amongst equals... Just like a captain in a football team is ist amongst equals of teammates... It's the coach who has rank...

OGHENAOGIE:
the Senate president is primus inter pares ist amongst equals... Just like a prime minister is ist amongst equals... Just like a captain in a football team is ist amongst equals of teammates... It's the coach who has rank...

A Prime Minister is not equals with his cabinet. He directly appoints members of his cabinet and can fire them at will.
A Senate president as far as Nigerian Constitution is concerned is not equal with his fellow senators. You're only buying the bull Crap of politicians. In the event anything happens to the president and VP, the Senate president becomes the Acting President. And in case anything happens to him, the Speaker takes over not the next Senator. That should make it clear to you that the Senate president is not seen as equal with other senators in the eyes of the law.

Return d salaries idiot

People like u with chicken brain always think dey know it all. This is not even rocket science. Logic and sentiments dont coexisting. U hate the man fine, ur problem.

Why was he appointed as Minister of Labour and Employment within a month of beign a Minister of State?

U get sense so? A sincere man for Nigerian politics? I know ur type, if una reach em position una go do worse aje💯

I know say u go reply won rubbish talk, i go further expose ur stupidity. AJE

sonature1:


Daft people like you are the biggest problems of this country. A sincere man would turn down his appointment as a minister of state at once, pointing out this same reason he just gave.

That's why the west works whereas Africa remains a shithole. Thanks to a bunch of insincere looters and their asslickers.