T8ksy:



Yep.............however, we are all Yorubas!

Ikeja, ikorodu, epe etc were founded by the ijebus.These places were at the time, yorubaland then it was western region , followed by Oyo state but after the formation of lagos state in 1976, they too, became Lagosians!

Moreover, these Ijebus that founded the aforementioned lands, built their houses where they settled and raised their families which later on becomes the agbo-ile of the founding fathers of these areas.

But then, we should also bear in mind that these founding fathers (of different parts of Lagos) came from different "Agbo-iles" in the hinterland of Ijebuland.

This is why, I, an ijebu man from Odogbolu, in ogun state can claim to be a "Lagosian".

Gajagojo:
Before talking of indigenes we need to use precise terms

Lagos state

Is not the same thing as "Lagos"

Let us learn to use words accurately and stop being lazy take the time and effort to type Lagos state not Lagos.

They are not the same thing

Just like in these states
There is a distinction between the state and the city which the state is named after
Enugu
Ondo
Oyo
Bauchi
Kano
Sokoto
Kaduna

That is the first test of who is an indigene
They know the difference between Lagos and Lagos State
But outsiders are too lazy or too ignorant to realise how important that is

Lagos state was created in 1967 by adding territory from the Western region to Lagos



Lagos State at creation has FIVE ADMINISTRATIVE DIVISIONS
LAGOS
EPE
IKORODU
IKEJA
BADAGRY

So Lagos is 20% of Lagos state administratively and in land mass much less
There is an Oba of Lagos.

He is not Oba of Lagos state
There are monarchs in Epe,Ikorodu,Badagry and Ikeja

That distinction matters to indigenes

An indigenes of Ikorodu does not consider himself a Lagosian
Lagos is very different from Lagos state


Ikorodu and Epe are Ijebu
Badagry are Ogu

FreedomfromtheT:
My parents are from Imo State but I have lived in Lagos for the most part of my life.
My younger siblings were born and grew up in Lagos and are still living here.
A lot of my friends and neighbours' parents are either from Ogbomosho, Ondo, Abeokuta, Ifo, Ota, Ibadan, Ilorin, Oshogbo, Ijebu Ode, Ijebu Igbo, Sagamu, Ilawe Ekiti, Owo and various parts of Southwest.
Please stop mixing up being Yoruba with being an indigene of Lagos.
So who is an indigene of Lagos?

FreedomfromtheT:
We are talking about who are the real Lagos indigenes not who are Yorubas.
Please stop the mixup.

Stoplying:

No, you are not a Lagosian and your story is not only unsubstantiated, it is also stupid. But with you Yoruba, facts, logic, and making sense don't matter.

T8ksy:



You are free to believe what you deemed true i.e Jesus Christ came to save ALL mankind.
Are you a "Lagosian"?

Stoplying:

So according to you I believe that Jesus Christ is the saviour of mankind ?
What does that have to do with the topic ?
So now you want the debate to be turned into religious debates and blind belief in Christianity ? Therefore you require blind belief in Yoruba fairytales.
Discussing with you guys makes people dumber, there is no logic in your approach, actually your approach is openly and deliberately against skepticism and logic and proof. You want to create fanatics like yourself. You think history is a religious belief and you write your religion/history then you distribute it and everybody should just have blind faith and believe whatever trash you and your fellow yoruba fanatics come up with.

Don't quote me again, useless person.

T8ksy:



I have just explained to you in plain elementary english who the real lagos indigenes, are.

Once again to reiterate, the descendants of these Yorubas, who founded various parts of Lagos, are the true indigenes of Lagos.

Which part of my statement above, are you conflicted with?

FreedomfromtheT:
Ok.
Whatgat of those that later migrated from Ogun, Ekiti, Oyo, Kwara, Kogi and Ondo states?
Are these also indigenous Lagosians?

T8ksy:




I have already the question in bold however i will repeat here again, they are not indigenous "Lagosians".

FreedomfromtheT:
Ok.

T8ksy:



Almost all (circa. 98%) indigenous "Lagosians" are Yorubas

FreedomfromtheT:
Are all Yorubas who migrated from Ogun, Ondo, Osun, Oyo, Kwara, Kogi and Ekiti states indigenous Lagosians?

T8ksy:



Nope.............but indigenous Lagosians are Yorubas who traced their roots back to ile- ife.

Stoplying:

Complete lie, show me proof of any body actually migrating from[b] Ife which was built in 1912 (prior to that it was a small settlement).[/b]
True Lagosians are not Yoruba and have no links whatsoever to Ife, their links are with Benin kingdom (of which Lagos was a province) not Ife.
Yoruba itself is not the name of a people but that of a small kingdom which Fulani pulverised and of which the Fulani took the capital.
You guys always make claims of migration from Ife, but none of those claims have ever been substantiate. And let us not forget that according to your Oni of Ife, Igbos also migrated from Ife. Soon enough, we will find out that buhari migrated from Ife 🤡

"Trace their root to Ife" 🤡
Precolonial map below says roots are Benin. Perhaps you should stop the tracing of roots because you are very bad on it.

T8ksy:

Omo, na wa o! Why the thing dey pain you so much?
I suppose, you know yoruba's history more than the Yorubas, themselves.

So, ile-ife was built in 1912, 2 yrs before Amalgamation? Clap for your self!

Benin kingdom that was destroyed by the brits in 1897. When the brits came to Lagos circa. 1860, who did they meet in lagos? Yorubas or Benin people?

Half education is no good o.

Stoplying:
Eyewitness writen precolonial text stating clearly that Lagos belongs to Benin:

"Captain Horseley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow piece of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5806879x.r=Y%C3%A9bou?rk=21459;2

Precolonial map of the region showing that Lagos (in its currents form) and its environs were part of Benin (see below)
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2


Conclusion: Lagos and its environs were part of Benin.

I am not interested in debating things which have already been proven. Also I am not interested in talking to people whom have been harrassing me. (I also want to add that I am actually the only person whom has commented here who actually speaks french and that I am the person who posted the french caption and the book from which it is to nairaland. Some delusional people who don't speak a word of frecnh were trying to "debate" me on the translation of the text several months ago. Fools can only fool other fools.)

T8ksy:



Nope.............but indigenous Lagosians are Yorubas who traced their roots back to ile- ife.

FreedomfromtheT:
Do you mean that the indigenous Egun people of Badagry also trace their way to Ile Ife?

Stoplying:

Christistruth03:



Yes they do

They descended from the Olupopo Who was Oduduwa's Son and the Yorubas call them the Popos they are the same People as the Ewe in in Benin Republic,Togo and Ghana the Ga of the Accra area in Ghana are their Kinsmen

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/03/yoruba-in-badagry-are-from-ile-ife-not-ghana-high-chief-wawu/


Now where are you from?

Christistruth03:



Yes they do

They descended from the Olupopo Who was Oduduwa's Son and the Yorubas call them the Popos they are the same People as the Ewe in in Benin Republic,Togo and Ghana the Ga of the Accra area in Ghana are their Kinsmen

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/03/yoruba-in-badagry-are-from-ile-ife-not-ghana-high-chief-wawu/


Now where are you from?

FreedomfromtheT:
So you expect me to take this your history class to the bank as fact and reality?
If this your story is true, it means that the socalled indigenous Lagosians are actually migrants to Lagos like others, aren't they?

Christistruth03:


Yebous is Ijebu

It was the Ijebu that successfully drove Benin from Lagos and took over
And that was even before the 18th Century

I challenge you to show us any Ancestral Land in Lagos Belonging to the Oba of Benin

Who to his Credit has never for even once dragged Lagos with the Yorubas or disputed Yoruba ownership of Lagos

Christistruth03:

The Popos Kingdom is a Yoruba Kingdom and the Oba of Badagry wears an Ife beaded Crown you can check it out on his head


So you are calling Egun People who arrived in Lagos in the 17th Century as guests of the Awori Oba the Alapa of Apa Migrants ?

Yorubas don't call them Migrants because their Journey began at Ile Ife with the Olupopo who was Oduduwa's Son

Where did you say you were from again ?

Stoplying:

Complete unsubstantiated rubbish as usual. Actually the Jebu were vassals of the of Benin and the ownership of Lagos went directly from the Oba of Benin to the king of England. Your challenge is stupid, I already provided Precolonial maps and Precolonial texts making it clear that Lagos was part of Benin. My claim is proven.
I don't dwell in fairytales unlike you who keep talking about a fairytale character like oduduwa while discussing history. For your information, once again, oduduwa never existed.

Christistruth03:



Yoruba History is not Rubbish

That is why you get trashed all the time

So where did you say you were from again?

Stoplying:

You are delusional.
You confuse fairytales with history, what you call "Yoruba history" is just a bunch of fairytales. And you ignore proof which shows you are wrong.
I don't need to claim any ethnicity, logic and knowledge has nothing to do with one's ethnicity.

Stoplying:
Don't argue with a fool, and calling @christistruth s fool is an insult to fools.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8PYb28ULHQ