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Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Kukutenla: 5:16pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rossikk:It is obvious you are actually ignorant of what Yoruba traditional beliefs and religion entails. Sango is believed to exist and was reputed to be the first Alaafin of Oyo. He was one of those extraordinary humans who transmuted to semi-gods just as we have in Greek mythology. Till today, we have Sango worshippers who believe Sango must be worshipped and revered else he strikes those who annoy him with lightning in his wrath. Same for Ogun, Oya, Obatala etc. So, your claims are based on ignorance. You are forming African renaissance without even having a firm grasp of what the religious beliefs were about. No wonder you claimed African religions were superior to the white man's |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by sonmvayina(m): 5:18pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
One person at a time.. We will get there soon.. Jesus is a Nicean creation. Emperor Constantine wanted a single region for his empire. Eusebius and co created the jesus character and murdered millions to keep the lie going. Jews don't have the idea of God mating with humans. It is a Greek/Roman idea. The Messiah God promised them was a man from the Scion of David...a man nonetheless. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Kukutenla: 5:21pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rossikk: Eggzactly!! Africans were innocent, pure and honest people living in El Dorado before the whites came and polluted their lands and minds Why don't you google some historical figures. Bashorun Gaa was reputed to loves pilfering from the King's royalties. There's a Waziri in Kano who at the peak of his powers was reputed to always sleep with new brides before their husbands were allowed to touch them etc. You're just fumbling around and a total waste of time Go and get a proper education on Nigerian traditional history instead of filling your head with conjectures and assumptions and using that to open senseless threads on NL to propagate fake African revisionism. You're a total waste of time and space 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Kukutenla: 5:23pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Kukutenla: And you're yet to respond to this Rossikk. It choke, choken't it? 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Kukutenla: 5:26pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
sonmvayina:Another one. This one is even at Constantine. Did the Jews ever deny the existence of Jesus among them? Your Oga fails to realize the distance between Rome and Judea. He seems to think Romans care so much for what goes on in that tiny country called Judea that supplies only fruits and spices when compared to other conquered lands rich in better and bigger treasures. You both need a brain reboot 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Heroclitus(m): 5:34pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rossikk: Isreal wasnt a world power, u cant expect Seneca to write about him or the Jews... As a Roman historian, How could u have written about an Israeli who was neither a Ruler nor a govt official ? A jew whom u may never even have heard of, as you werent from same locality as a Roman Historian Josephus wrote about him cause he was a native to Jesus galilee and since he was the earliest popular Jewish historian, its fair to know why he wrote about their Kinsman even though the accounts he gave were critical and negative as he were never a believer of him ( In fact, Josephus didnt write about the ascension into heaven as he doubted that part himself being a person from the line of the pharisee who hasnt seen such nor believe such before) As for Tacitus, he was only able to write about Jesus cause as a Roman historian, he wrote extensively on Pontius Pilate and those he ever convicted and since Jesus was among those Pilate ever executed, its fair to know why he wrote few pages about him just as he wrote about others who were executed under Pilate. Now, The writer of luke, wrote about Jesus childhood being in the time of Augustus, his successor Tiberius and then Quinrinius who was a Gov, and he even specified what year of their reign Jesus did this and that ...forget about luke. how about those emperors and the specific year of reign as accounted for by Luke, are they all not real or not in accordance with the Roman history Now, the question is why would u disregard Josephus account of jesus which was just few years away yet u believe that of Shakesphere who wrote on Julius Ceasar who lived 1000+ years before him, Not minding the fact that most historians actually wrote about characters who lived before them and everyone accepted their accounts. Tacitus wrote about Augustus who was even far older than Jesus yet they accepted his account of him, same Tacitus that lived after Jesus 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Rossikk(m): 5:43pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Kukutenla: YOU ARE A LIAR. “Sango must be worshipped”? WHO MADE THAT CLAIM AND WHERE? YOU ARE A LIAR. THERE IS NO AFRICAN RELIGION THAT CLAIMS IT MUST BE FOLLOWED ON THE RISK OF DEATH AND TORTURE. THERE IS NO EVANGELISM IN AFRICAN RELIGION, OR DRIVE TO CONVERT OTHERS. THAT IS CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM PRACTICE. NO OTHER RELIGIONS DO THAT. IT IS ONLY WHEN YOU HAVE A POLITICAL AGENDA TO DOMINATE OTHERS THAT YOU EVANGELISE AND SEEK TO EXPAND YOUR RELIGION. 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by sonmvayina(m): 5:45pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Kukutenla: Why did they add the new testament at the end of the Jewish scriptures? |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by sonmvayina(m): 5:48pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rossikk: He thinks in his small puny mind he is making sense. He doesn't want his illusions destroyed. He is just comfortable with believing a lie. His brain is for decoration... 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by 1Sharon(f): 5:52pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Kukutenla: Look at you. You're looking at indigenous religions through your Christian lens. Who has approached you and told you to worship sango or perish in hell?? 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Rossikk(m): 5:53pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
sonmvayina: My brother don’t mind the guy. Dem go get sense one day. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Rossikk(m): 6:02pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Heroclitus: We know Caesar lived because there are coins dated to his era with his face on them. There are statues of him contemporary to his lifetime. And we really don’t care about all these excuses for why there is no contemporaneous record of Jesus. The fact is that THERE ISN’T, so why do you accept it? It’s like me waking up today and claiming that 50 years ago, a miracle worker existed who was the son of God, and then starting a religion based on that claim! And then a few years later when the religion has permeated society, some writers start to mention the name of this ‘miracle worker’ in their texts, and then 2000 years later, people like you say “See! That writer wrote about him! Sure, he wrote it 80 years after the saviour lived, but it doesn’t matter! It must be true. Praise the lord or burn in hell forever!” 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Rossikk(m): 6:35pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Kukutenla: None of what I typed is a lie. You can check Google images and see Christian bishops giving Nazi salutes to Hitler. Plus you can Google the quote by Bush saying the Christian god told him to invade Iraq where he killed 2 million innocent people. As far as your smallpox outbreak nonsense, it just shows the deep level of your ignorance about your history that you don’t know it was AFRICANS WHO INVENTED VACCINES when Europeans were in caves. Chinese medicine, which is an offshoot of African medicine, is elevated by the Chinese, while a mentally colonised mumu like you, spits on, and knows nothing about your African traditional medicine and healing. How will the world respect you when you don’t respect yourselves and spit on your heritage? You’re disgusting. 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Heroclitus(m): 7:20pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rossikk: Bro, its obvious you've never read about any historical account...If u did, you'd know that they are written based on rumours, little facts and assumption Again, every single person who wrote about both Caesars wrote about them after their death, so how do u believe others after account of the Caesars and not that of Jesus Or u think there were actually contemporary historians who wrote about King Darius of Media the great, King Cyrus of Persia and many other world powerful men like Pharaoh Necho or Emperor Nero Infact, Tacitus, the most respected Roman historian, was never alive during the days of all these Emperors yet wrote about them I'll take you seriously when u u decide to write the "World book encyclopedia britannica" and "The Library of Roman History" to question why they accepted all Tacitus account on these Roman Emperors Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Nero, Pilate(whose execution of Jesus was documented in the Roman history) since he lived around 500+ years after their death its hypocrisy to talk about not having contemporary historians write about Jesus( even though Josephus wrote it few years later) when Roman Emperors have their history wirtten 100s of years after their death Cant u go on line to confirm about those three i metioned, Augustus, Quinrinus and Tiberius and check if the biblical date correspond with that of Roman history...Dont be a lazy researcher... My name and my siggy should tell u i"m not a xtain, I'm just a lover of history and anything Greek 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Rossikk(m): 7:45pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Heroclitus: It is you that is lazy and refusing to use your damn brain. Don’t mention Caesar because I already dealt with that. Go back and read the thread. Naming all these kings and saying they wrote about them years after they lived, makes no difference. None of those kings heads a religion which all must adopt or face eternal torture and damnation. CHRISTIANS must PROVE that this person actually lived, AND THEY CANNOT. And to make it worse, this was the religion they used to enslave, invade, brutalise, mass murder and colonise Africans and loot their resources! Leave aside everything else - THAT IN ITSELF should be enough to make you reject that religion if your brain was working right. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by SIRTee15: 8:19pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
1Sharon: It's going to be very hard to disprove the existence of Jesus. The chain of narration is just too strong. Jesus wasn't a well known figure during his time. He was just one of the popular preacher in a small region in Judea, a province in larger Roman empire...nothing more. In fact, John the Baptist was more popular than Jesus outside of Galilee and its environs. There wasn't going to be many historical writings about him. Nothing exemplary about him to warrant the attention of contemporary historians or writers of his time. He wasn't the first to make a Messianic claim, those before him really rock the boat hard, the likes of Judas of Gamalia, Simon of Paraea and Thadeus led rebellion against the Roman army. Let's say Jesus chose the timid approach- avoid trouble with the Roman authority and do not inspire a rebellion. It's still didn't work out well for him, he was arrested and killed in the most humiliating manner, whipped and then nailed on the cross like a common thief. His disciples would have been embarrassed- so much for a Messiah. Nothing inspiring about this man to the common eye. This was more than enough to discourage his disciples and for them to abandon his cause. But the early church fathers led by the 12 apostles spoke about Jesus and preached his gospel. Why would they go all the way and risk their lives for a meek figure like historical Jesus. If they made it all up, why would they create such a weak fictional Messianic figure and hope to sell it as inspiration to fellow Jews who wanted a powerful Messiah who will deliver them from Roman oppression and establish God's kingdom on earth and Jerusalem as the capital. The book of acts put the accounts of the disciples ministry immediately after Jesus death, they can't simply create a fictional Jesus story so close to his time of his supposed existence and death. People will simply call them liars. The book of acts which wrote in great detail about the apostle is a strong historical book. It's been thoroughly examined by scholars and it's his been largely agreed to be accurate. It mentioned places, people, events and locations that have been corroborated by other sources. For example acts 18.2 mentioned the expulsion of Jews from Rome during Claudius reign. This has been confirmed to be historically true as confirmed in the writings of Seutonius and Cassius Dio both Roman historians. The big question is why would the apostles risk their life for a meek figure like historical Jesus if he's not real or his divinity true. A big question to ponder about... Next are the apostolic fathers, these were early church leaders who didn't meet Jesus but personally knew the apostles e.g father Clement, Polycarp, Ignatius of Antioch, papias of herapolis. These people were not mentioned in the bible, but we have their letters which confirmed what we know about the bible. They took over the mantle of church leadership after the death of most of the disciples. All these people lived in the first century, they were very much active in the church activities thruout the first century after the death of jesus. The disciples of Jesus in the mid first century and the apostolic fathers in the later first century. As we can see, there was no vacuum in the first century church history to insert a bogus Jesus story. Most of the church leaders lived at a time they can question the historicity of Jesus if it was untrue or exaggerated. But none of them doubted it. The question of the Jesus originating from Roman authority or religious sect is bogus and unfounded. Nero started persecuting Christians as early as 60 AD. There's no way the Roman-Jesus conspiracy could have fitted into a first century Christian narrative that is water tight. We Christians know our church fathers in the first century, none of them took orders from the Roman rulers or were associated with any Roman religion. There's a reason all bible scholars including atheist like Bart Erhman all agreed that Jesus Christ is a true historical figure. cc Rossikk 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Kukutenla: 8:35pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rossikk:What does what Bush did or who Hitler was have to do with Christianity? Hitler and the Nazi were atheists. So your video is meaningless. I don't recall Hitler or Bush being revered figures in Christianity. Now, you have still not answered the question but going about typing irrelevant things. If African religion invented vaccines, can you explain why same Africans worshipped same smallpox such that they even had Priests for the disease. Yet it is Christianity that's a scam. Africans have vaccine for smallpox yet people like you would be killed to appease sonponna whose name no one even dared mention aloud. Oya go and worship sonponna abi na Omolu |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Kukutenla: 8:43pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rossikk: Lol. Even Esu the god of vengeance must be worshipped by his worshippers by filling his head with red oil every morning. Ogun must be worshipped by killing of a dog. Same for Sango and other gods. That's why in Yoruba religion, each god has families tied to their worship so they don't lack worshippers even up to sonponna the smallpox god. Like i said, you're simply an ignoramus 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Kukutenla: 8:48pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
sonmvayina:Who added it? Old Testament and New Testament are two totally different compendium with same theme of God and the Israelites. It has nothing to do with your wild and silly claims of a roman conspiracy to dominate Jews through a mythic personality. That idea is very contrary to common sense given the knowledge we have of who Romans were, and who the Jews are. The Jews will never accept anyone creating any religion for them. That's why the Romans never bothered incorporating the Jewish religion into their national religions like they did for other conquered tribes. The Romans on the other hand never believed in monotheism. Again, it sounded absurd to Romans that there'll be only one god because that would have diminished the Emperor whose title included the representative of the gods 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Kukutenla: 8:51pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
1Sharon:No hell for you if you refuse to worship sango. Just that thunder will fire you 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by 1Sharon(f): 10:29pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Kukutenla: So you believe thunder can be directed at people. |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Kukutenla: 11:53pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
1Sharon:Sango worshippers believe so |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by kingthreat(m): 8:30am On Jun 29, 2023 |
Rossikk: Jesus is my reality. Go and serve your village deity. |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Chibuezem(m): 10:13am On Jun 29, 2023 |
danijesus:are you a kingdom man? |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by danijesus(m): 1:13pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Chibuezem:of course I am |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Nobody: 1:39pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Jesus is the angel of light |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Chibuezem(m): 3:43pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
danijesus:wonderful keep the fire of faith burning. |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Redpeeldtf: 5:02pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Rostikol: You never existed too. You are a Nigerian fabrication. Do you agreed? Even the being, Satan, that inspired this antichrist thought in you knows Jesus exists. Don't lose your soul out of spiritual ignorance |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Redpeeldtf: 5:05pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
tundein18:No. He is no angel. He created Angels. He is God, The Son. Lords of Lords and Kings of Kings. He will judge you and everyone else on judgement day. I hope you have accepted him as your saviour so you won't lose your soul? |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by vdestro: 8:56pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Rossikk: See, yourself. As if the people who sold slaves to the whitemen were not committing a crime or there was no stealing and corruption eg bribing dibia/babalawo to say you did not steal in the villages before the whiteman came. |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by vdestro: 9:10pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Rossikk: As long as this has proven you wrong. |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by sonmvayina(m): 9:20pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Redpeeldtf: Judgement is only for the living...never for the dead.. |
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