Lotanna2:



Oga,you have comprehension issues.it simply means records or printouts of bvas data from bvas not inec server.by the way,obi is not challenging accreditation data but results...


I ask again,is transcript a requirement for qualification or don't you know what transcript is? You have lost it

Apart from IREV results from 18,088 polling units (which were certified by INEC anyways), did you hear Obi submitted anything concerning server again?

Just a little heads up, cuz I’ve seen you need to be brought up to speed with what is going on in court….

Obi submitted forms:
EC8As
EC8Bs
EC8Cs
EC8Ds
EC8E
EC840Gs
BVAS Accreditation Data
PVC Collection Report, etc (all INEC Certified), for all the states he’s contesting their results.

It’s obvious you have been arguing from a place of ignorance.

famology:



The pept will not deviate from the precedent set by the supreme court.

The PEPT are trying to establish further precedents (and precedences too) which are totally different from the ones that were already established by the Osun Case..

The ones established from the Osun SC-Judgement would be sustained.

Penguin2:

See eh, if the courts uphold the 2023 presidential election, just know that the 2022 Electoral Act has been rendered useless. We might as well revert to Electoral Act 2010.

It’s a tight fix for the judiciary and we all have our gaze cast on them.

Na to just use the Judgement to seek for further amendments and adjustments of the Electoral Act 2022.

Penguin2:

Apart from IREV results from 18,088 polling units (which were certified by INEC anyways), did you hear Obi submitted anything concerning server again?

Just a little heads up, cuz I’ve seen you need to be brought up to speed with what is going on in court….

Obi submitted forms:
EC8As
EC8Bs
EC8Cs
EC8Ds
EC8E
EC840Gs
BVAS Accreditation Data
PVC Collection Report, etc (all INEC Certified), for all the states he’s contesting their results.

It’s obvious you have been arguing from a place of ignorance.

Atiku submitted all those in 2019 but all were listed as dumping except those he lead evidence on.
Obi called a mathematician to analyze irev only.why didn't he analyse those manual documents he submitted? Why wasn't there no comparison? Why wasn't there no analysis or report on overvoting? You think the court will help him calculate? Bia,nwokem better respect yourself and sharrap and stop wailing more than obi

Lotanna2:


Atiku submitted all those in 2019 but all were listed as dumping except those he lead evidence on.
Obi called a mathematician to analyze irev only.why didn't he analyse those manual documents he submitted? Why wasn't there no comparison? Why wasn't there no analysis or report on overvoting? You think the court will help him calculate? Bia,nwokem better respect yourself and sharrap and stop wailing more than obi

Leave the courts to determine what was dumped on them and what was not dumped.

But have you now accepted that it’s not server report that Obi submitted in court?

Penguin2:


Leave the courts to determine what was dumped on them and what was not dumped.

But have you now accepted that it’s not server report that Obi submitted in court?

He only demonstrated and heavily relied on server(thirdhand) evidence which has buried the watery case

Seems you lack comprehension. Tinubu will be the first president to be sacked, he knows it

o123456789:
I totally agree with this post. Technically and morally the election was rigged but in the eyes of the law (Electoral act 2022 and the constitution 1999 as amended) the election was not rigged. Obi and Atiku's cases are dead on arrival. No body should come out and say that the judiciary is bias this is the law. The electoral act is riddled with loopholes. The legislature is the problem of Nigeria not even corruption. Can you imagine that Former president Buhari rejected the electoral act for four good times before he later signed it? Only a few people in the presidency will see errors in what our legislators of multitudes cannot see. That's a confirmation when Buhari said the problem of Nigeria is the legislature.
Going back to Obi and Atiku's petition, I want to say that they are wrongly adviced. Imagine Obi he hired a lawyer that was the lead counsel for this case of Adeleke Vs Oyetola. That is the beginning of failure, because Obi want Ikpeazu SAN, to prove that only IREV result must be used to decide the case, after he has already proven that not IREV or collation backend server but BVAS must be used to decide the case between Adeleke Vs Oyetola at the supreme court. My final take is that supreme court has set a precidence with Adeleke Vs Oyetola case, meaning Asiwaju Ahmed Bola Tinubu Victory will be upheld. Recall that Tinubu was very happy after the declaration of the supreme court asserting that Adeleke is the authentic governor of Osun state? He was not happy for Adeleke, Tinubu was happy for himself, because that judgement will determine his own fate.

duro4chang:
Obi is a loser. He can never be president. We have rejected him. His gullible followers shall be disgraced. Obi is a bigot.

I even thought you have a logical point...

I will leave you to your emotions and sentiments.

Bigkoko:
Na this one they give una for WhatsApp group? Abeg today na vawulence free day! Save your strength for tomorrow gbege! lol

Which Whatsapp Group.??



Download the Judgement and read it by yourself and for yourself..

If it happened that I am saying something else, then bring the page to my attention.

Lotanna2:


It did actually

Should it be safe to wait for the Judgement to be read, so that you realize that what Obi is seeking for is far beyond (in scope and in cause) what the APC sought for in Osun??

When the Osun SC-Judgement was delivered, the Obi’s legal team studied the judgement, and made lots of amendments in their demands, and in the types of documents they were earlier demanding for.

BluntCrazeMan:
Should it be safe to wait for the Judgement to be read, so that you realize that what Obi is seeking for is far beyond (in scope and in cause) what the APC sought for in Osun??

When the Osun SC-Judgement was delivered, the Obi’s legal team studied the judgement, and made lots of amendments in their demands, and in the types of documents they were earlier demanding for.

Not true.the judgment came when obi lawyers submitted their petition

Lotanna2:


Not true.the judgment came when obi lawyers submitted their petition

If it affected, the Petitioners would have withdrawn their petition.

BluntCrazeMan:


If it affected, the Petitioners would have withdrawn their petition.

Obi was never going to withdraw no matter what.he will always try his luck

Lotanna2:


Obi was never going to withdraw no matter what.he will always try his luck

Ok then.



We wait for the addresses and the judgement.

And the SC proceedings and judgement too.

BluntCrazeMan:
Ok then.



We wait for the addresses and the judgement.

And the SC proceedings and judgement too.

You can clearly deduce what will happen from the evidences and 13 witnesses presented by obi

Lotanna2:


You can clearly deduce what will happen from the evidences and 13 witnesses presented by obi

Nothing can be deduced until all the addresses and responses are presented at-least..

BluntCrazeMan:
Nothing can be deduced until all the addresses and responses are presented..

Then you are unfamiliar with court procedures.cases are purely determined from the evidences and witnesses lead in court by petitioners.the case is won and lost.addresses are just summary and formalities

BluntCrazeMan:
I even thought you have a logical point...

I will leave you to your emotions and sentiments.

Obi is a loser. A bigot. A pathological liar. His so called followers are gullible, miscreants and abusive.

BluntCrazeMan:
The PEPT are trying to establish further precedents (and precedences too) which are totally different from the ones that were already established by the Osun Case..

The ones established from the Osun SC-Judgement would be sustained.

Of course

Penguin2:

Apart from IREV results from 18,088 polling units (which were certified by INEC anyways), did you hear Obi submitted anything concerning server again?

Just a little heads up, cuz I’ve seen you need to be brought up to speed with what is going on in court….

Obi submitted forms:
EC8As
EC8Bs
EC8Cs
EC8Ds
EC8E
EC840Gs
BVAS Accreditation Data
PVC Collection Report, etc (all INEC Certified), for all the states he’s contesting their results.

It’s obvious you have been arguing from a place of ignorance.

I can't get why they are framing ignorant.

Lotanna2:


Then you are unfamiliar with court procedures.cases are purely determined from the evidences and witnesses lead in court by petitioners.the case is won and lost.addresses are just summary and formalities

Ok then.

Lotanna2:


Then you are unfamiliar with court procedures.cases are purely determined from the evidences and witnesses lead in court by petitioners.the case is won and lost.addresses are just summary and formalities

You are very far from the courtroom my friend. It's in the addresses that proofs are made. There are some issues that can only come up in the addresses (eg the analysis of the results), while there are issues that are completely left for the court to decide (eg the interpretation of the law).

Why do you think the respondents chose to reserve their objections in the final address?

Spy360:

You are very far from the courtroom my friend. It's in the addresses that proofs are made. There are some issues that can only come up in the addresses (eg the analysis of the results), while there are issues that are completely left for the court to decide (eg the interpretation of the law).

Why do you think the respondents chose to reserve their objections in the final address?

Final Address has been defined as a document intended for the court which summarizes the relevant facts, the law and a proposed analysis of a case, on behalf of a litigant.[1] In in the case of Kalu vs. State (2017) LPELR-42101(SC), the Supreme Court of Nigeria, defined final address in these words: “final address means the last or ultimate speech or submission made to the Court in respect of a matter before it, before the delivery of Judgment.”

The long and short of it is that – a final address is really written speech intended to persuade the Court.




From the above,you are off tangent....like you said,before a party objects in the final address,he must have orally stated so during the main hearing.
Proofs are brought or demonstrated in court during the main hearing publicly not in writing..you only re-echo or refer to it during your final address.final address is simply a summary of everything you have done and the prayers you request for.

Lotanna2:


Final Address has been defined as a document intended for the court which summarizes the relevant facts, the law and a proposed analysis of a case, on behalf of a litigant.[1] In in the case of Kalu vs. State (2017) LPELR-42101(SC), the Supreme Court of Nigeria, defined final address in these words: “final address means the last or ultimate speech or submission made to the Court in respect of a matter before it, before the delivery of Judgment.”

The long and short of it is that – a final address is really written speech intended to persuade the Court.




From the above,you are off tangent....like you said,before a party objects in the final address,he must have orally stated so during the main hearing.
Proofs are brought or demonstrated in court during the main hearing publicly not in writing..you only re-echo or refer to it during your final address.final address is simply a summary of everything you have done and the prayers you request for.

You are correct here. I don't see how it reflects your previous point.

Not every case require a witness whereas a simple calculation (for results) or interpretation (for constitution matters) is needed. So claiming that PO or LP didn't do their analysis is an under-statement of facts.

[Jokers on the increase! Which court are you referring to? Nigeria or foreign court?uote author=Bobloco post=124309902]Tinubu will certainly become the first president of Nigeria to be sacked by the court [/quote]

Spy360:

You are correct here. I don't see how it reflects your previous point.

Not every case require a witness whereas a simple calculation (for results) or interpretation (for constitution matters) is needed. So claiming that PO or LP didn't do their analysis is an under-statement of facts.

Reading the record is important because the determination of the case or charge by the Judge will ultimately be guided by the content of the record of proceedings. Put differently, it is expected that the Judge’s decision will be based on the pleadings (or charge in criminal trials), evidence led (including the demeanor of the witnesses) and law applicable to facts of the case. This means, you really cannot go outside what has happened at trial to manufacture or invent what may favor your case or client. In essence, you are stuck with the record of proceedings and what happened at the trial, unless of course there is a de-novo trial. So? Read the record of proceedings.




The bolded above clearly shows that the judge will depend almost certainly on what transpired in court to decide.your written address is just you reechoing your original petition based on what you presented and canvassed in court.therefore based on evidences obi presented subjectively,it is failure.

True,not all cases require witnesses for instance cases commenced by originating summons or for electoral matters,matters bothering on exclusion or omission of results like in imo or purely constitutional matters that may require interpretation of certain statutes like in the fct case.but in this very case dealing on electoralal like violation of laws,reduction of votes,non qualification etc,witnesses are a must.
Obi's major focus was on inec not uploading results which needed witnesses to testify to that both at unit and collation level and glitches which also needed witnesses to attest to that.Even the only calculation he did which was purely done on irev was carried out by an expert witness.

Lotanna2:


He only demonstrated and heavily relied on server(thirdhand) evidence which has buried the watery case

Can you provide evidence of Obi relying on server?

The evidences he submitted in court that are server related?

Penguin2:

Can you provide evidence of Obi relying on server?

The evidences he submitted in court that are server related?

Almost or all obi witnesses and arguments in court are about glitch(server),irev results(server),non upload to server.read the bolded below from a judge.


After much argument from the counsels to counter Magaji, Justice Ahuchaogu, ruled that the petitioners even a in situation where the documents are formally admitted would still need to prove or establish the substance of such documents.

He, therefore, ruled: “We grant the application for the counsel to tender such documents”.

o123456789:
I totally agree with this post. Technically and morally the election was rigged but in the eyes of the law (Electoral act 2022 and the constitution 1999 as amended) the election was not rigged. Obi and Atiku's cases are dead on arrival. No body should come out and say that the judiciary is bias this is the law. The electoral act is riddled with loopholes. The legislature is the problem of Nigeria not even corruption. Can you imagine that Former president Buhari rejected the electoral act for four good times before he later signed it? Only a few people in the presidency will see errors in what our legislators of multitudes cannot see. That's a confirmation when Buhari said the problem of Nigeria is the legislature.
Going back to Obi and Atiku's petition, I want to say that they are wrongly adviced. Imagine Obi he hired a lawyer that was the lead counsel for this case of Adeleke Vs Oyetola. That is the beginning of failure, because Obi want Ikpeazu SAN, to prove that only IREV result must be used to decide the case, after he has already proven that not IREV or collation backend server but BVAS must be used to decide the case between Adeleke Vs Oyetola at the supreme court. My final take is that supreme court has set a precidence with Adeleke Vs Oyetola case, meaning Asiwaju Ahmed Bola Tinubu Victory will be upheld. Recall that Tinubu was very happy after the declaration of the supreme court asserting that Adeleke is the authentic governor of Osun state? He was not happy for Adeleke, Tinubu was happy for himself, because that judgement will determine his own fate.

Court has sacrificed Oyetola for Tinubu's protection. Only idiots will still believe that Atiku and Obi have hope on this matter. Assuming Oyetola won, the interpretation of that case might be difficult for the court but Oyetola's case has already given the court a clear head way.

basseeafricana:

Court has sacrificed Oyetola for Tinubu's protection. Only idiots will still believe that Atiku and Obi have hope on this matter. Assuming Oyetola won, the interpretation of that case might be difficult for the court but Oyetola's case has already given the court a clear head way.

It is a walking dream for some people to still believe that a sitting president will be removed for just Obi. When people are making comments, we laugh because they are entertaining us. A right thinking person must know that all the court dramas will soon end. Obi should just take heart and move on, Tinubu has come to stay. It is a reality!

Lotanna2:


Reading the record is important because the determination of the case or charge by the Judge will ultimately be guided by the content of the record of proceedings. Put differently, it is expected that the Judge’s decision will be based on the pleadings (or charge in criminal trials), evidence led (including the demeanor of the witnesses) and law applicable to facts of the case. This means, you really cannot go outside what has happened at trial to manufacture or invent what may favor your case or client. In essence, you are stuck with the record of proceedings and what happened at the trial, unless of course there is a de-novo trial. So? Read the record of proceedings.




The bolded above clearly shows that the judge will depend almost certainly on what transpired in court to decide.your written address is just you reechoing your original petition based on what you presented and canvassed in court.therefore based on evidences obi presented subjectively,it is failure.

True,not all cases require witnesses for instance cases commenced by originating summons or for electoral matters,matters bothering on exclusion or omission of results like in imo or purely constitutional matters that may require interpretation of certain statutes like in the fct case.but in this very case dealing on electoralal like violation of laws,reduction of votes,non qualification etc,witnesses are a must.
Obi's major focus was on inec not uploading results which needed witnesses to testify to that both at unit and collation level and glitches which also needed witnesses to attest to that.Even the only calculation he did which was purely done on irev was carried out by an expert witness.

Once again you are right but don't have full details of all that transpired. PO brought a forensic expert who analysed the results of INEC CTCs of EC8As. A mathematician from UNN. His output was referred to in the witness statement by Yunusa Tanko.

Spy360:

I can't get why they are framing ignorant.

They like to believe what makes them happy.