Samantha124:
So you're blaming the South African government for the number of Nigerians that come to SA yearly despite them being afraid of HIV and seeing all South Africans as HIV positive.

Your level of reasoning says a lot about you because you're so focused on being defensive to a point that you're no longer making any sense.

Is the SA government forcing you guys to come here since you guys are afraid of HIV?

Did you think this your response so deep before you start typing them? if you did and this is all you came up with i am so disappointed.

Let's assume you have home with kids and me a as a person, i am aware of something going on your home that i can prevent myself against by wearing condoms and all, but each time i come into your home, i kill things that are precious to you, i steal things that are precious to you, things of high value and already you know i am a serial killer by damaging of the womb of people in your home. Each time i come i protect myself against whatever disease going on in your home. what would you do as the home owner?

Would you allow me to keep coming to destroy and kill more people in your home by damaging their womb when you know the population of people in that home is very small compared to people living in my home and keep looking at me thinking the disease in your home would kill me also one day when knowing fully well i know how to protect myself against it?

If you can answer this, then you'll see reasons why i blame your government or maybe they love you people being killed.

A good government protect it's country from outside danger, not wait for somebody on the outside stop the outside danger. If truly Nigerians are criminals like you claim but of course i know your government does not see Nigerians the way you are seeing them, that is why your government keeps taking them in. If you have issues with that write a letter to your government so that they can shut their doors.
Happy Sunday

1. You keep turning a blind eye on the statement that states that there's no specific law that criminalise spreading of HIV in SA... Underline the the term no specific law.

2. There are still arguments as to whether to illegalize it or not, hence the statement stated that the whole thing is still counterproductive, meaning there's NO SPECIFIC LAW that criminalise spreading of HIV, at least not yet.

3. You need to understand what is common law... Common law is a body of unwritten laws, meaning even if the laws are not written or recognized by the constitution, if as a citizen you feel like an injustice was done to you in anyway, you're free to approach the courts under common law because one thing about law is that there's no wrong or right... As long as you're willing to backup your claims, then the courts will give you a chance.

4. That screenshot that you posted about the Phiri case was also decided under common law, the court made a decision based on a general belief and not because there's a written law that specified spreading HIV to be illegal... The Court also considered the nature of Phiri's work, he was an HIV/AIDS counselor and his duty was to advice others on how to protect themselves from HIV and also advice those who are already HIV positive on how to take good care of themselves as to prevent infecting others... But he breached everything that went with his job and on top of that, he kept contradicting himself under oath.

5. General criminal laws were used to support his girlfriend's claims in a sense that, she was able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Phiri had a duty to protect her since he was an HIV/AIDS counselor... It's just like a police officer, he has a duty to protect me and not harm me.

6. The Phiri case is the only HIV related case in SA that convicted a person for transmitting HIV and there was not even any proof that Phiri indeed infected his girlfriend with HIV, but she was somehow able to backup her claims and also used the fact that Phiri worked within the department of health.

I also think he got what he deserved, if he really did do it because it would mean he was reckless, despite being an HIV/AIDS counselor.

7. As long as you're able to put your facts right, then you can use common law for anything... Let me give you an example of common law offences:
- Let's say a guy was used a dumped by a girl that he loved so much to a point that he vowed to never ever love again, instead he's gonna impregnate and dump every girl he gets into a relationship with, one of his baby mamas can take him to court for it.

There's no specific law that states that it's illegal going around impregnating ladies with an intent of making them single mothers, but if the baby mama can backup her claims, she can take the guy to court and win.

- I can use common law on you for taking my pillow from my room and using it in your room to sleep without my knowledge... I can take you to court and argue that what you did was theft even though we live in the same house.

Because most common laws are not recognized by the Constitution and the court makes a decision based on a common belief.

6. I like the fact that you were able to post a link that supported your claims when you said deliberate infection of HIV is illegal in Nigeria, your link consisted of statutes supporting your claims, meaning there is a specific law that criminalise intentional infection of HIV in Nigeria and it's recognized by the Nigerian constitution.... But so far, you haven't shown me any statutes from the South African constitution that support your claims about deliberate infection of HIV being illegal in SA.

I also wish there could be a specific law within our constitution that criminalise intentional infection of HIV, but so far, there are still arguments as to whether it should be illegalized or not.

bercarray:
It was indeed a good read. Those part that I marked, is it that you didn't not understand the English there or what? If you studied law and you're showing this as a proof to defend yourself that Spreading of HIV legal, I'm telling you your lecturers have failed you o perhaps they taught you well, then I'd say maybe you were skipping classes

However in principle such behaviour falls under the scope of common law crimes that range from attempted murder to assault

Second paragraph says a report argues; argument means that, they've not settled for the decision yet and the report argues because someone on treatment even if when (+) posseses lower transmission risk than someone that's not been diagnosed and people might not want to get themselves tested. That's the summary of that.

Third, paragraph already concluded that line with it's last sentence starting from The end result is that the law tends to punish people for merely having sex if there's a risk of transmission

You're still not making any sense.

What does the South African government has to do with you guys coming to SA despite being afraid of HIV and protecting yourselves from it in your country by criminalising it and discriminating others in your country for being HIV positive?

Is the SA government forcing you guys to come here?

bercarray:
Did you think this your response so deep before you start typing them? if you did and this is all you came up with i am so disappointed.

Let's assume you have home with kids and me a as a person, i am aware of something going on your home that i can prevent myself against by wearing condoms and all, but each time i come into your home, i kill things that are precious to you, i steal things that are precious to you, things of high value and already you know i am a serial killer by damaging of the womb of people in your home. Each time i come i protect myself against whatever disease going on in your home. what would you do as the home owner?

Would you allow me to keep coming to destroy and kill more people in your home by damaging their womb when you know the population of people in that home is very small compared to people living in my home and keep looking at me thinking the disease in your home would kill me also one day when knowing fully well i know how to protect myself against it?

If you can answer this, then you'll see reasons why i blame your government or maybe they love you people being killed.

A good government protect it's country from outside danger, not wait for somebody on the outside stop the outside danger. If truly Nigerians are criminals like you claim but of course i know your government does not see Nigerians the way you are seeing them, that is why your government keeps taking them in. If you have issues with that write a letter to your government so that they can shut their doors.
Happy Sunday

Wow! Does me reminding the op of how illegal abortion is bad an attack on Nigeria?

How come some nairalanders also commented against what he and his girlfriend did, but you didn't go after them?

Is it because [b]I'm a South African [/b]and you think I have no right to comment against certain Nigerian issues here?

bercarray:
Now you've brought this argument exactly to where i want it to be. Now you just said " if a Nigerian national staying in SA sees me stealing and tries to caution me for it by reminding me that stealing is illegal, Instead of me to be remorseful or try to justify what I did even though it's bad, I should immediately retaliate by telling him or her to go and mind the number of terrorist attacks happening in Nigeria because we don't have terrorism in SA? " So let us relate it to the OP's scenario. In your case why didn't you just correct the OP, why attack Nigerian as a whole, because right about now, you are contradicting yourself. What you said does not make sense in your write up above is what you just did. Now who is reasoning the other way round? Is it not a south african (you) reasoning the way you think nigerian reasons?

* You saw the OP thread about abortion (I'm relating that to " if a Nigerian national staying in SA sees me stealing ".

* You failed to do this - (tries to caution me for it by reminding me that stealing is illegal) instead of reminding OP that abortion is bad just like your write up says and maybe the OP would be remorseful (to be remorseful or try to justify what I did even though it's bad), but you didn't. GBAM!!!! you attacked the whole Nigeria.

Now i ask again, who is reasoning the way claimed Nigerians reasons? l guess you're looking at yourself right now

Thank God you're not practicing what you studied, you'll be shooting yourself in the leg big time! Who knows maybe you're not practicing because you're not good enough.

Most nairalanders like taking minor things personal, I don't know why..

I'm now being accused of attacking an entire Nigerian country...🤣🤣🤣... I must've really hurt you deep for you to be accusing me of an attack...🤣🤣🤣

It's like you have an illegal abortion backroom back at home where you're conducting illegal abortions because it sounds like the whole thing is very personal to you.

bercarray:
Now you've brought this argument exactly to where i want it to be. Now you just said " if a Nigerian national staying in SA sees me stealing and tries to caution me for it by reminding me that stealing is illegal, Instead of me to be remorseful or try to justify what I did even though it's bad, I should immediately retaliate by telling him or her to go and mind the number of terrorist attacks happening in Nigeria because we don't have terrorism in SA? " So let us relate it to the OP's scenario. In your case why didn't you just correct the OP, why attack Nigerian as a whole, because right about now, you are contradicting yourself. What you said does not make sense in your write up above is what you just did. Now who is reasoning the other way round? Is it not a south african (you) reasoning the way you think nigerian reasons?

* You saw the OP thread about abortion (I'm relating that to " if a Nigerian national staying in SA sees me stealing ".

* You failed to do this - (tries to caution me for it by reminding me that stealing is illegal) instead of reminding OP that abortion is bad just like your write up says and maybe the OP would be remorseful (to be remorseful or try to justify what I did even though it's bad), but you didn't. GBAM!!!! you attacked the whole Nigeria.

Now i ask again, who is reasoning the way claimed Nigerians reasons? l guess you're looking at yourself right now

Thank God you're not practicing what you studied, you'll be shooting yourself in the leg big time! Who knows maybe you're not practicing because you're not good enough.

Agozskey:
Hi guys, I know u guys will banter me... I accept any form of insult tnx...
My girlfriend and I have been together for a year now and the relationship has been great, so we usually have unprotected sex buh I make sure I don't release inside her buh as God may have it, we found out she was pregnant

Op..

And since you've finally came clean and told me of how I hurt you by attacking your country like Boko Haram, I'm sorry, I didn't know I was one of those Nigerian terrorists.

Find it in your heart to forgive me even though we know the real attackers of your country..🤭🤭🤭

You can now stop crying... As for me, I'm out of here... Don't expect any reply from me because I won't even bother to check your comments.

And stop taking nairaland matters personal because one day you'll die from heart attack...🤣🤣🤣

bercarray:
Now you've brought this argument exactly to where i want it to be. Now you just said " if a Nigerian national staying in SA sees me stealing and tries to caution me for it by reminding me that stealing is illegal, Instead of me to be remorseful or try to justify what I did even though it's bad, I should immediately retaliate by telling him or her to go and mind the number of terrorist attacks happening in Nigeria because we don't have terrorism in SA? " So let us relate it to the OP's scenario. In your case why didn't you just correct the OP, why attack Nigerian as a whole, because right about now, you are contradicting yourself. What you said does not make sense in your write up above is what you just did. Now who is reasoning the other way round? Is it not a south african (you) reasoning the way you think nigerian reasons?

* You saw the OP thread about abortion (I'm relating that to " if a Nigerian national staying in SA sees me stealing ".

* You failed to do this - (tries to caution me for it by reminding me that stealing is illegal) instead of reminding OP that abortion is bad just like your write up says and maybe the OP would be remorseful (to be remorseful or try to justify what I did even though it's bad), but you didn't. GBAM!!!! you attacked the whole Nigeria.

Now i ask again, who is reasoning the way claimed Nigerians reasons? l guess you're looking at yourself right now

Thank God you're not practicing what you studied, you'll be shooting yourself in the leg big time! Who knows maybe you're not practicing because you're not good enough.

Samantha124:
Yes, I am.

But you need to understand that a person with HIV can still get married to a HIV negative spouse and have HIV negative kids.

But we can't say the same with a girl who did illegal abortions and has a damaged womb.

Will you marry a woman with a damaged womb from doing illegal abortions?

Haha, i laugh in Swahili.

The question is; How many guys are willing to marry a carrier?

Samantha124:
1. You keep turning a blind eye on the statement that states that there's no specific law that criminalise spreading of HIV in SA... Underline the the term no specific law.

2. There are still arguments as to whether to illegalize it or not, hence the statement stated that the whole thing is still counterproductive, meaning there's NO SPECIFIC LAW that criminalise spreading of HIV, at least not yet.

3. You need to understand what is common law... Common law is a body of unwritten laws, meaning even if the laws are not written or recognized by the constitution, if as a citizen you feel like an injustice was done to you in anyway, you're free to approach the courts under common law because one thing about law is that there's no wrong or right... As long as you're willing to backup your claims, then the courts will give you a chance.

4. That screenshot that you posted about the Phiri case was also decided under common law, the court made a decision based on a general belief and not because there's a written law that specified spreading HIV to be illegal... The Court also considered the nature of Phiri's work, he was an HIV/AIDS counselor and his duty was to advice others on how to protect themselves from HIV and also advice those who are already HIV positive on how to take good care of themselves as to prevent infecting others... But he breached everything that went with his job and on top of that, he kept contradicting himself under oath.

5. General criminal laws were used to support his girlfriend's claims in a sense that, she was able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Phiri had a duty to protect her since he was an HIV/AIDS counselor... It's just like a police officer, he has a duty to protect me and not harm me.

6. The Phiri case is the only HIV related case in SA that convicted a person for transmitting HIV and there was not even any proof that Phiri indeed infected his girlfriend with HIV, but she was somehow able to backup her claims and also used the fact that Phiri worked within the department of health.

I also think he got what he deserved, if he really did do it because it would mean he was reckless, despite being an HIV/AIDS counselor.

7. As long as you're able to put your facts right, then you can use common law for anything... Let me give you an example of common law offences:
- Let's say a guy was used a dumped by a girl that he loved so much to a point that he vowed to never ever love again, instead he's gonna impregnate and dump every girl he gets into a relationship with, one of his baby mamas can take him to court for it.

There's no specific law that states that it's illegal going around impregnating ladies with an intent of making them single mothers, but if the baby mama can backup her claims, she can take the guy to court and win.

- I can use common law on you for taking my pillow from my room and using it in your room to sleep without my knowledge... I can take you to court and argue that what you did was theft even though we live in the same house.

Because most common laws are not recognized by the Constitution and the court makes a decision based on a common belief.

6. I like the fact that you were able to post a link that supported your claims when you said deliberate infection of HIV is illegal in Nigeria, your link consisted of statutes supporting your claims, meaning there is a specific law that criminalise intentional infection of HIV in Nigeria and it's recognized by the Nigerian constitution.... But so far, you haven't shown me any statutes from the South African constitution that support your claims about deliberate infection of HIV being illegal in SA.

I also wish there could be a specific law within our constitution that criminalise intentional infection of HIV, but so far, there are still arguments as to whether it should be illegalized or not.

May be you were skipping classes in law school. With all these articles u wrote up there u still ended up saying nothing. it is under common law or not, if anyone does it, is it puunishable or not. I guess YES. It is punishable, they might not have specifically singled it out and make a law for it separately that's what they mean by saying, there's no specific law for it yet, but is it punishable? YES and a big YES.
On another note, what you said was there is no law for it, and now again you are saying it's just grouped under common law. Whether common law or not, it is punishable and someone can be sentenced for it.

According to your 3rd statement, if a citizen feels like injustice is being done to him/her the person can go to court so far he/she has claims to back it up court will take it up. That makes is a punishable offence. Why didn't the court say " oh! there is no specific law for this case we can't settle it." but the court did and sentenced the person to prison. Which still makes it an offence. So young lady what are you trying to prove.

And iy read very well, in the picture u sent, it was grouped under common law Crime that ranges from MURDER AND ASSAULT. So why are you trying to so hard to make sound we cannot hear.

Samantha124:
You're still not making any sense.

What does the South African government has to do with you guys coming to SA despite being afraid of HIV and protecting yourselves from it in your country by criminalising it and discriminating others in your country for being HIV positive?

Is the SA government forcing you guys to come here?

Then that means you're not smart enough to decipher things. In summary Nigerians are not bad people. You are the only one that sees them as such because of the hatred that you harbor so much in your mind. If they are truly bad, I am sure your government would have shut the door against them, so you saying they are criminals in your country is nothing but a lie and a sentimental statement.
And in my write up i spoke about knowing how to prevent themselves against the infection so comin there should not be a problem for them. But you could not understand that right? No wonder you were not practicing what you read because i doubt you finished from the law school you claimed you went.

Samantha124:
Most nairalanders like taking minor things personal, I don't know why..

I'm now being accused of attacking an entire Nigerian country...🤣🤣🤣... I must've really hurt you deep for you to be accusing me of an attack...🤣🤣🤣

It's like you have an illegal abortion backroom back at home where you're conducting illegal abortions because it sounds like the whole thing is very personal to you.

Why does it sounds like abortion is more of a culture in Nigeria? And the worst part of it all is that it's illegal there.

I always hear stories on this forum of abortions this and abortions that.

Why have unprotected sex if you can't own up to your mistakes and learn from them?

Respect your country's laws and stop having unprotected sex out of wedlock, or abstain from sex all at once... Else you guys should campaign for abortion to be legalized in Nigeria since you love it so much

The bolded above was exactly your statement, you can defend yourself without lying now.

Samantha124:
And since you've finally came clean and told me of how I hurt you by attacking your country like Boko Haram, I'm sorry, I didn't know I was one of those Nigerian terrorists.

Find it in your heart to forgive me even though we know the real attackers of your country..🤭🤭🤭

You can now stop crying... As for me, I'm out of here... Don't expect any reply from me because I won't even bother to check your comments.

And stop taking nairaland matters personal because one day you'll die from heart attack...🤣🤣🤣

And since you've finally came clean and told me of how I hurt you by attacking your country like HIV I'm sorry, I didn't know I was one of those HIV.

Find it in your heart to forgive me even though we know the Disease of your country..🤭🤭🤭

You can now stop crying... As for me, I'm out of here too... Don't expect any reply from me because I won't even bother to check your comments.

And stop taking nairaland matters personal because one day you'll die from heart attack...🤣🤣🤣

I joined this froum 2013, you joined this year and you've had over 3thousand post, my post is not up to 1000. That is to say i hardly take things personal here, maybe you do. Give yourself that advise.

But i noticed you use to feel like you know how to talk and keep firing back at every members, Madam Rest, you are not the only one that knows how to talk.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

bercarray:

And since you've finally came clean and told me of how I hurt you by attacking your country like HIV I'm sorry, I didn't know I was one of those HIV.

Find it in your heart to forgive me even though we know the Disease of your country..🤭🤭🤭

You can now stop crying... As for me, I'm out of here too... Don't expect any reply from me because I won't even bother to check your comments.

And stop taking nairaland matters personal because one day you'll die from heart attack...🤣🤣🤣

I joined this froum 2013, you joined this year and you've had over 3thousand post, my post is not up to 1000. That is to say i hardly take things personal here, maybe you do. Give yourself that advise.

But i noticed you use to feel like you know how to talk and keep firing back at every members, Madam Rest, you are not the only one that knows how to talk.

Agozskey:
Hi guys, I know u guys will banter me... I accept any form of insult tnx...
My girlfriend and I have been together for a year now and the relationship has been great, so we usually have unprotected sex buh I make sure I don't release inside her buh as God may have it, we found out she was pregnant and I wanted to keep the bby buh she didn't want to keep the pregnancy, so we decided to abort it, which we did with the help of one of our friends (girl). The first week wasn't okay, because she was experiencing pains everyday, due to the abortion, the second week seemed perfect no issues, she wasn't feeling anything at all.
This week now all of a sudden she's exhibiting symptoms again... And she has not seen her period, meanwhile we've not had sex since... I don't understand again, I'm not really ready financially yet, buh I'm a bit okay buh the problem is her family, She's just 19 and I'm 22, pls any advice... Thank you

Stop all this gambling with her womb before it gets destroyed by careless abortions

Is either it was not properly terminated

It could actually be a twin pregnancy and the other still intact

May be she will later have a miscarriage because the process of pregnancy has been altered and may affect other things

Just take her to the hospital for proper diagnoses

Agozskey:
Hi guys, I know u guys will banter me... I accept any form of insult tnx...
My girlfriend and I have been together for a year now and the relationship has been great, so we usually have unprotected sex buh I make sure I don't release inside her buh as God may have it, we found out she was pregnant and I wanted to keep the bby buh she didn't want to keep the pregnancy, so we decided to abort it, which we did with the help of one of our friends (girl). The first week wasn't okay, because she was experiencing pains everyday, due to the abortion, the second week seemed perfect no issues, she wasn't feeling anything at all.
This week now all of a sudden she's exhibiting symptoms again... And she has not seen her period, meanwhile we've not had sex since... I don't understand again, I'm not really ready financially yet, buh I'm a bit okay buh the problem is her family, She's just 19 and I'm 22, pls any advice... Thank you

hope say na you get the pregnancy this one dat you didn't released inside her,are you sure you didn't released inside

Samantha124:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

see, u guys should just exchange numbers and donur argument privately...

Anyways, she's not pregnant... We just confirmed it yesterday we went to a proper advanced hospital and it was confirmed negative, she's doing okay, people that gave me their advice, thank you so much... And the ones claiming saint Jesus, the people who hasn't committed any sins in their lives, I hail thee, hope I see u in heaven ...
My girlfriend and I are okay now, she was never pregnant, doctor said it was lack of vitamins that caused the symptoms, and the abortion part, they only cheated us and collected our money and just toyed with my girlfriend, buh she's alright now...

Sorry about that.

Next time report us.

Agozskey:
see, u guys should just exchange numbers and donur argument privately...

Tell me all I need to know about the pregnancy.its possible she has not taken the right medication.I can be of help.
Dr.kleff oman

Fame1309:
Tell me all I need to know about the pregnancy.its possible she has not taken the right medication.I can be of help.
Dr.kleff oman

09129759227, chat me up

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Which kain debate una Dey debate wey never end?😂😂

C2Ok:
Both the bercarray and the Samantha124
Una Dey M@d??😂🫴
Which kain debate una Dey debate wey never end?😂😂