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Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by pongwa(m): 9:37pm On Jul 30, 2023 |
Hanndye:water baptism is obsolete after Christ. John the baptist did so with water but Christ did his with the Holy Ghost. Hence all you need to be fully saved is to confess your sins, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal Savior and boom the Holy Spirit will come into your life and help you live as a Christian by FAITH |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by Akaegwu(m): 9:42pm On Jul 30, 2023 |
Hanndye:Yes. |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 9:47pm On Jul 30, 2023 |
bixton:Wow... so many words yet nothing tangible to be taken from it.How come? 2. Tell us, what does it mean apart from what it clearly said which is that some dead rose from the grave over 2000 years ago and proceeded into Jerusalem after Jesus Christ also was raised?? 51 When Jesus died, the curtain in the Temple was torn into two pieces. The tear started at the top and tore all the way to the bottom. Also, the earth shook and rocks were broken. |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by Akaegwu(m): 9:59pm On Jul 30, 2023 |
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. pongwa:John 3 vs 5 |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 10:00pm On Jul 30, 2023 |
pongwa:1. Obsolete? Interesting claim 2. John baptized with water alone, but after Jesus Christ arrived, He said that except that not only must one be born of water but one also must be born of Spirit. 1. There was a man named Nicodemus, one of the Pharisees. He was an important Jewish leader.It seems you did not pay much attention to what Jesus Christ in fact said. He did not render the first obsolete. Rather, He added an additional step to what John the Baptist preached. |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by xproducer: 10:35pm On Jul 30, 2023 |
There is nothing wrong with water baptism as a sign/symbolic declaration that one professes with one's tongue the Lord YESHUA, the CHRIST - with belief in one's heart, all by the grace and mercy of GOD (not works). However, the real washing of a person/soul unto salvation from hell is done by GOD alone with HIS word, the Holy Bible, which is living (Hebrews 4:12-13) and by the Almighty HOLY SPIRIT. "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ" - 1 Peter 3:21 (Note - physical water baptism does not save anyone). "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." - Ephesians 5:25-27 "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you." - Ezekiel 36:25 "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire" - Matthew 3:11 |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by Expanse2020(m): 10:40pm On Jul 30, 2023 |
bixton: |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by Petdagr8t(m): 12:54am On Jul 31, 2023 |
YungTemy:Yes for sure, they are not eligible for salvation for they outrightly rejected the only way of salvation which is by believing in the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by maticar: 2:07am On Jul 31, 2023 |
BigDawsNet:If someone accepts Jesus on his dying bed and passes on 1hr later nko? Jesus will refuse him entry? |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 2:11am On Jul 31, 2023 |
maticar:It would be meaningless to rush all so one can enter into the Kingdom of God via the Broad Gate which leads to Hell as that is most like you would be able to accomplish in 1 hour. In order to qualify for Heaven, one has to — and this after gaining access into the Kingdom of God via the Narrow gate that leads to true life—live in continuous submission and obedience for a period of at least 3+ years in order to attain Holiness without which no man shall see God, and also be approved righteous by God. So, this isn't something that should be rushed by anyone. |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by maticar: 2:19am On Jul 31, 2023 |
obonujoker:You are getting there It is advised, it is recommended as to show obedience to Christ and symbolic of his death(immersion) and rising(coming out) with him. That said his death on the cross is enough for salvation and the faith in his death is enough to give us heaven. Hence I asked the other responder "if someone accepts Christ on his death bed and dies an hour later without being baptized, are we saying Jesus will deny him entry to heaven"? |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by maticar: 2:23am On Jul 31, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:LOL What is this? So the thief on the cross didn't make heaven? By your submission Where did you get this doctrine from? Is this scriptural? |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 2:28am On Jul 31, 2023 |
maticar:WOW! Where in the world did you get Heaven from in this abeg Do you recall what Jesus Christ in fact told the thief on the cross? 39 One of the criminals hanging there began to shout insults at Jesus: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Then save yourself, and save us too!”Paradise is where Jesus Christ was that same day, right? Well, according to Jesus Christ Himself, He was in the grave, that day and the 2 days that followed that day. 21 From that time Jesus began telling his followers that he must go to Jerusalem. He explained that the older Jewish leaders, the leading priests, and the teachers of the law would make him suffer many things. And he told his followers that he must be killed. Then, on the third day, he would be raised from death.- Matthew 16 vs 21... 32 Jesus and those with him were on their way to Jerusalem. He was at the front of the group. His followers were wondering what was happening, and the people who followed behind them were feeling afraid. Jesus gathered the twelve apostles again and talked with them alone. He told them what would happen in Jerusalem.... 22 Then Jesus said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things. He will be rejected by the older Jewish leaders, the leading priests, and teachers of the law. And he will be killed. But after three days he will be raised from death.” - Luke 9 vs 22What all that means is that Paradise is simply a reference to the grave where Jesus Christ was for 3 days. |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 2:57am On Jul 31, 2023 |
ichuka:Do you recall what Jesus Christ in fact told the thief on the cross? 39 One of the criminals hanging there began to shout insults at Jesus: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Then save yourself, and save us too!”Paradise is where Jesus Christ was that same day, right? Well, according to Jesus Christ Himself, He was in the grave, that day and the 2 days that followed that day. 21 From that time Jesus began telling his followers that he must go to Jerusalem. He explained that the older Jewish leaders, the leading priests, and the teachers of the law would make him suffer many things. And he told his followers that he must be killed. Then, on the third day, he would be raised from death.- Matthew 16 vs 21... 32 Jesus and those with him were on their way to Jerusalem. He was at the front of the group. His followers were wondering what was happening, and the people who followed behind them were feeling afraid. Jesus gathered the twelve apostles again and talked with them alone. He told them what would happen in Jerusalem.... 22 Then Jesus said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things. He will be rejected by the older Jewish leaders, the leading priests, and teachers of the law. And he will be killed. But after three days he will be raised from death.” - Luke 9 vs 22What all that means is that Paradise is simply a reference to the grave where Jesus Christ was for 3 days. |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by blahc007: 5:54am On Jul 31, 2023 |
tctrills:It's obvious you aren't a believer... You read a passage of the bible and brought it here to come and argue.... Its always funny, when people boldly talk about what they know not |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by obonujoker(m): 6:35am On Jul 31, 2023 |
maticar: I don't think so. Remember the thief on the cross. Remember the fathers of faith of old. However the advice is not to take chances while one is still alive , and there's time to fulfil all things Jesus commanded and did. |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by Saig: 6:39am On Jul 31, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Why not go and read those Bible passages. What is difficult there to understand |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by BigDawsNet: 6:43am On Jul 31, 2023 |
maticar: If you confess your sin before you die... you may still have hope... |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by dsupremeoley(m): 7:37am On Jul 31, 2023 |
If the Bible is True, If the written word is God's word then this verse should attempt to answer you: 1 Timothy 2:5(KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by dsupremeoley(m): 7:40am On Jul 31, 2023 |
YungTemy:*If the Bible is True* If the written word is God's word then this verse should attempt to answer you: 1 Timothy 2:5(KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by bixton(m): 7:50am On Jul 31, 2023 |
[quote author=Expanse2020 post=124770390][/quote] It is not I who said that God did not promise them His kingdom but nairaland's Kobojunkie who goes around the platform doing the work of his master who is full of deceit. |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by bixton(m): 7:55am On Jul 31, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: If you read Scripture and can still say there's nothing tangible to be taken from it then it clearly shows either you are completely blinded in understanding (literal and spiritual) or possibly you're full of deceit and mischief just like Satan. |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by tctrills: 8:04am On Jul 31, 2023 |
blahc007: You claim to be a believer yet you don't believe the words of Jesus Christ. If you don't accept the word from a passage how are you a Christian? People like you only believe in selected verses that your pastor told you and the rest of the bible means nothing to you. If Jesus says that you can't be saved without baptism, I would believe him and not you. You say I talk about what I don't know when I only pointed you to the very words of Jesus Christ. Oga at least, I know the words of my Savior. What do you know? |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by bixton(m): 8:05am On Jul 31, 2023 |
YungTemy: No matter what religion one claim to be of, you cannot worship God without first to have acknowledged Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the giver of God's Salvation unto mankind. He is our Saviour and Lord. If you miss Him, you miss God's Salvation for your soul. Read this verses well and ask yourself if Isam is of God to bring Salvation.... These verses below talks about Islam and what it entails.... Gal.4.21 - Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? Gal.4.22 - For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. Gal.4.23 - But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, Gal.4.24 - which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar-- Gal.4.25 - for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children-- Gal.4.26 - but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Gal.4.27 - For it is written: "Rejoice, O barren, You who do not bear! Break forth and shout, You who are not in labor! For the desolate has many more children Than she who has a husband." Gal.4.28 - Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. Gal.4.29 - But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. Gal.4.30 - Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman." Gal.4.31 - So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free. |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by staga: 8:15am On Jul 31, 2023 |
Hhansome:You cannot claim to believe in God and yet say His Word is doctored. You are fake! |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by Expanse2020(m): 8:20am On Jul 31, 2023 |
bixton:Lol |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by emmyileri(m): 8:50am On Jul 31, 2023 |
What does it mean to be born of water and Spirit? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBH_UHWsrE&t=499s |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 9:07am On Jul 31, 2023 |
Saig:I should go read Bible passages that say nothing of what you claim is order to? |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 9:07am On Jul 31, 2023 |
BigDawsNet:There is no truth to that lie. |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 9:10am On Jul 31, 2023 |
bixton:Scripture is not the problem here. What contains no tangible takeaway is the response you attempted to weave from what is boldly proclaimed in Scripture. Again, what is it that you claim that passage says? Speak up make we hear you. |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by BigDawsNet: 9:11am On Jul 31, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Even if you confess your sin... there are some sin that will not go on punish like murder... but apart from that.. if you commit your ways and seek for forgiveness before you die... I'm pretty sure you will get a chance |
Re: Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation? by DrDunamis(m): 9:16am On Jul 31, 2023 |
Hhansome: Have you read it to find out for yourself? Na you doctor am or nurse am? |
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