Maynman:

Jewish christians call themselves the way.
Only people from nazarene were called “nazarene”.

Other Jewish Christian sects include ebionites, zealots, they never called themselves “Christians”.

It doesn't really matter. It's a useless argument. That why most Christians on this forum ignores u when u bring up this argument.

Jesus didn't form a religion. He only told us to follow him and become like him.
Whatever name u want to call yourself is fine. It doesn't really matter.
U do t want to bear Christian but called Nazarene, all well and good.
Just follow Christ, that's the Koko.

SIRTee15:


It doesn't really matter. It's a useless argument. That why most Christians on this forum ignores u when u bring up this argument.

Jesus didn't form a religion. He only told us to follow him and become like him.
Whatever name u want to call yourself is fine. It doesn't really matter.
U do t want to bear Christian but called Nazarene, all well and good.
Just follow Christ, that's the Koko.

Jesus never existed beyond the books of New Testament.

Maynman:

Paul was a nazarene.

Nazarene is a gnostic group.

So Paul was preaching Jesus of Nazareth.
Ok which one did Herod think Paul was preaching?

Maynman:

Jesus never existed beyond the books of New Testament.

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But all through the 1st century people were writing about him.
Not 2nd century but 1st century.

SIRTee15:


So Paul was preaching Jesus of Nazareth.
Ok which one did Herod think Paul was preaching?

Where was paul preaching?
In a church?

SIRTee15:

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But all through the 1st century people were writing about him.
Not 2nd century but 1st century.

No one wrote about Iesus chrestus.

Maynman:

Which scholars?
Post them na.
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It is Interesting that Ignatius of Antioch, writing c. 107A.D. made no mention of any bishop in Rome despite his emphases on obedience to the head elder in every other lette[/b]r.

Obviously u lifted this from somewhere without acknowledging the source and making it look like it was your idea.
because u had no clue who was Ignatius of Antioch. U became confused when I referred u back to this post.

SIRTee15:


Obviously u lifted this from somewhere without acknowledging the source and making it look like it was your idea.
because u had no clue who was Ignatius of Antioch. U became confused when I referred u back to this post.

Who is ignatius of Antioch, tell us how he met the apostles.

Maynman:

Where was paul preaching?
In a church?

In his defence in front of festus and Herod. Stop pretending u have a brain block.
Answer the question and chop another embarrassment.

Which character did Herod think Paul was preaching about when he said ' You almost persuade me to be a Christian'

SIRTee15:


In his defence in front of festus and Herod. Stop pretending u have a brain block.
Answer the question and chop another embarrassment.

Which character did Herod think Paul was preaching about when he said ' You almost persuade me to be a Christian'

If you are not dumb, how is he then preaching?
Dullard!

Paul Tells of His Conversion Back to To'rah and away from Persecuting To'rah keepers:

Act 26:12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
Act 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from shamayim above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
Act 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue (not Greek), Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the goads.
Act 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Master? And he said, I am Yah'ushua whom thou persecutest.
Act 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
Act 26:17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
Act 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto Elohim, that they may receive forgiveness of transgression of To'rah, and inheritance among them which are purified by emunah / moral conviction ( pw faith) that is in me.
Act 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the vision of shamayim (pw heaven):
Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to Elohim, and do works meet for repentance.
Act 26:21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
Act 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of Elohim, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Act 26:23 That Mashiak should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
Act 26:24 And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.
Act 26:25 But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.
Act 26:26 For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.
Act 26:27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.

We note the mention of the sun by Shaul during his vision of jesus and one would immediately perhaps see why Agrippa may think of Chrestos Helios / or Christ the true Sun, a very similar pagan image promoted later by Constantine with his supposed vision of a pagan cross in the sun. Yet if one were not listening correctly one would miss the revelation of Shaul's words

v13 "a light ABOVE the brightness of the sun"

Maynman:

No one wrote about Iesus chrestus.

But they wrote about Jesus of Nazareth in the first century.

SIRTee15:


But they wrote about Jesus of Nazareth in the first century.

Why will they write about him?

All the gospels were written by unknown authors.

Maynman:

If you are not dumb, how is he then preaching?
Dullard!

Paul Tells of His Conversion Back to To'rah and away from Persecuting To'rah keepers:

Act 26:12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
Act 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from shamayim above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
Act 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue (not Greek), Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the goads.
Act 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Master? And he said, I am Yah'ushua whom thou persecutest.
Act 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
Act 26:17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
Act 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto Elohim, that they may receive forgiveness of transgression of To'rah, and inheritance among them which are purified by emunah / moral conviction ( pw faith) that is in me.
Act 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the vision of shamayim (pw heaven):
Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to Elohim, and do works meet for repentance.
Act 26:21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
Act 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of Elohim, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
Act 26:23 That Mashiak should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.
Act 26:24 And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.
Act 26:25 But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.
Act 26:26 For the king knoweth of these things, before whom also I speak freely: for I am persuaded that none of these things are hidden from him; for this thing was not done in a corner.
Act 26:27 King Agrippa, believest thou the prophets? I know that thou believest.

We note the mention of the sun by Shaul during his vision of jesus and one would immediately perhaps see why Agrippa may think of Chrestos Helios / or Christ the true Sun, a very similar pagan image promoted later by Constantine with his supposed vision of a pagan cross in the sun. Yet if one were not listening correctly one would miss the revelation of Shaul's words

v13 "a light ABOVE the brightness of the sun"

So Paul mentioned Torah, he spoke about Elohim and used the word masshiak. But Herod thought Paul was talking about some sun god.
I hope u know the Herod family were partly Jews who converted to Judaism. So Paul wasnt speaking unknown language to him.

The only person who is confused here is u.
Anyway we've trashed 1st century Christianity beyond reasonable doubt.

Go and read about Ignatius of Antioch. U mentioned him, do the work yourself.
All these ones I brought here,u denied them. Tell me why it would be different for Ignatius.

Maynman:

Why will they write about him?

All the gospels were written by unknown authors.

I'm not talking about the gospel, I'm talking about apostolic fathers.

SIRTee15:


So Paul mentioned Torah, he spoke about Elohim and used the word masshiak. But Herod thought Paul was talking about some sun god.
I hope u know the Herod family were partly Jews who converted to Judaism. So Paul wasnt speaking unknown language to him.

Why was paul summoned?

Stop lying about herod, there was nothing like “judaism” then, we had different sect like essence, sicarii you are empty!

SIRTee15:


I'm not talking about the gospel, I'm talking about apostolic fathers.

I am saying the gospel were written by UNKNOWN AUTHORS, so which apostle did the “apostolic father” see?

Maynman:

Why was paul summoned?

Stop lying about herod, there was nothing like “judaism” then, we had different sect like essence, sicarii you are empty!

So Jews had no religion during the time of Herod?

Maynman:

I am saying the gospel were written by UNKNOWN AUTHORS, so which apostle did the “apostolic father” see?

Denial as usual. U will be fine.

SIRTee15:


So Jews had no religion during the time of Herod?

There was nothing like “religion” then, they worshipped gods.

SIRTee15:

Denial as usual. U will be fine.

You will be fine.

The books are forgery and the authors were assigned by early church fathers, so which apostles were the “apostolic father” seeing
Think na. Everything is fraud!

Maynman:

There was nothing like “religion” then, they worshipped gods.

When was the word judaism coined. When did Jews start calling their religion Judaism.

SIRTee15:


When was the word judaism coined.

Hope you know judaism is from judah?
One of the tribes in Israel.

Maynman:

You will be fine.

The books are forgery and the authors were assigned by early church fathers, so which apostles were the “apostolic father” seeing
Think na. Everything is fraud!

don't worry event the apostolic fathers were fake.
Even irenaeus, Tertullian and Eusebius were all fake.

SIRTee15:
don't worry event the apostolic fathers were fake.
Even irenaeus, Tertullian and Eusebius were all fake.

I am not worrying before, i am not a yahweh worshipper.

Maynman:

Hope you know judaism is from judah?
One of the tribes in Israel.

That's not what I'm asking. U wrote this....

Stop lying about herod, there was nothing like “judaism” then, we had different sect like essence, sicarii you are empty!

So I'm asking was there a word called Judaism during the time of Herod agrrippa. .

SIRTee15:


That's not what I'm asking. U wrote this....

Stop lying about herod, there was nothing like “judaism” then, we had different sect like essence, sicarii you are empty!

So I'm asking was there a word called Judaism during the time of Herod agrrippa. .

Judaism is from Judah.

“I hope u know the Herod family were partly Jews who converted to Judaism.”

Show me where you got this

Maynman:

Judaism is from Judah.

“I hope u know the Herod family were partly Jews who converted to Judaism.”

Show me where you got this

So if the word was coined in 2nd century BC, why would u say there was nothing like Judaism during the period of Herod in 1st century AD.
U this otondo.

Go and read about Herod family in Wikipedia. I'm not bringing anything here.

SIRTee15:


So if the word was coined in 2nd century BC, why would u say there was nothing like Judaism during the period of Herod in 1st century AD.
U this otondo.

Judah is an hebrew word, i said there was no religion called “judaism” .
You this dullard.

SIRTee15:


Go and read about Herod family in Wikipedia. I'm not bringing anything here.

Who was talking to paul. Herod agrippa or Herod the great?

Herod Agrippa I, the king of Judea, was a supporter and follower of the Pharisees, one of the different sects of “judaism”.

SIRTee15:

I'm not debating Christianity with u or what the early followers of Jesus was called.

My question is simple.
Who were the apostolic fathers?

Israel was a war zone from 66 to around 136 CE and the Romans invented the peaceful messiah called Jesus Christ as a psychological warfare as the Jewish Jesus in the first century were warlords, they were like the Talibans, Hisbila, ISIS there are today. The disciples and apostolic fathers stories were all invented as psychological warfare against the Jews.

"But before he could speak to them, the most warlike of the
insurgents made a sally upon them with their arms ; their leader
was one whose name was Jesus, the son of Shaphat, the captain
of a band of robbers." - The Jewish War 1st Century
"Jesus and his men led off to the city, and rejoiced as if
they had taken them in battle and not by surprise.
Now the elders of the people, and such as seemed
of principal authority among them, fearing what would be
the issue of the matter, fled to the camp of the Romans :
and taking their king mth them, fell down before Vespa-
sian as suppliants, and besought him not to despise
them, nor to impute the madness of a few to the whole
city, but to spare a people that had ever been friendly to
the Romans, and to bring the authors of this revolt to
punishment, who had hitherto so watched them, that
though they had long been anxious to give the Romans the
security of their right hands, they had not yet found an
opportunity to do so." - The Jewish war 1st Century
Sources: https://ia800309.us.archive.org/17/items/cu31924074297205/cu31924074297205.pdf

The Jewish–Roman wars include the following:

First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE) — also called the First Jewish Revolt or the Great Jewish Revolt, spanning from the 66 CE insurrection, through the 67 CE fall of the Galilee, the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple and institution of the Fiscus Judaicus in 70 CE, and finally the fall of Masada in 73 CE.
Kitos War (115–117 CE) — known as the "Rebellion of the Exile" and sometimes called the Second Jewish–Roman War.
Bar Kokhba revolt (132–136 CE) — also called the Second Jewish–Roman War (when Kitos War is not counted), or the Third (when the Kitos War is counted).
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_wars

MindHacker9009:


Israel was a war zone from 66 to around 136 CE and the Romans invented the peaceful messiah called Jesus Christ as a psychological warfare as the Jewish Jesus in the first century were warlords, they were like the Talibans, Hisbila, ISIS there are today. The disciples and apostolic fathers stories were all invented as psychological warfare against the Jews.

"But before he could speak to them, the most warlike of the
insurgents made a sally upon them with their arms ; their leader
was one whose name was Jesus, the son of Shaphat, the captain
of a band of robbers." - The Jewish War 1st Century
"Jesus and his men led off to the city, and rejoiced as if
they had taken them in battle and not by surprise.
Now the elders of the people, and such as seemed
of principal authority among them, fearing what would be
the issue of the matter, fled to the camp of the Romans :
and taking their king mth them, fell down before Vespa-
sian as suppliants, and besought him not to despise
them, nor to impute the madness of a few to the whole
city, but to spare a people that had ever been friendly to
the Romans, and to bring the authors of this revolt to
punishment, who had hitherto so watched them, that
though they had long been anxious to give the Romans the
security of their right hands, they had not yet found an
opportunity to do so." - The Jewish war 1st Century
Sources: https://ia800309.us.archive.org/17/items/cu31924074297205/cu31924074297205.pdf

The Jewish–Roman wars include the following:

First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE) — also called the First Jewish Revolt or the Great Jewish Revolt, spanning from the 66 CE insurrection, through the 67 CE fall of the Galilee, the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple and institution of the Fiscus Judaicus in 70 CE, and finally the fall of Masada in 73 CE.
Kitos War (115–117 CE) — known as the "Rebellion of the Exile" and sometimes called the Second Jewish–Roman War.
Bar Kokhba revolt (132–136 CE) — also called the Second Jewish–Roman War (when Kitos War is not counted), or the Third (when the Kitos War is counted).
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_wars

What about irenaeus and Tertullian. Were they invented too.

Maynman:

Who was talking to paul. Herod agrippa or Herod the great?

Herod Agrippa I, the king of Judea, was a supporter and follower of the Pharisees, one of the different sects of “judaism”.

It's like u confused again. Even your post showed the family were followers of Jewish religion.
Your post proved his father believed in Judaism.
So what exactly is your point.