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Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by OmoGomesIlorin: 11:27am On Aug 08, 2023 |
The Korean War started on 25 June 1950 and ended on 27 July 1953, after the signing of an armistice agreeing that the country would remain divided. This War see United Nation (the US and it Ally) went to War for the first time to liberated the Democratic South Korea after the Communist North Korean army (Korean People's Army or KPA) crossed the border and drove into South Korea. The United Nations Security Council denounced North Korea's actions as an invasion and authorized the formation of the United Nations Command and the dispatch of forces to Korea to repel it. The UN forces proceed to invade North Korea in October 1950 and moved rapidly towards the Yalu River—the border with China. Remember that Both China and North Korea are both ruled by Communist Party. The sleeping dragon China whose Communist regime is still young believes that Successful liberation of Korean peninsula from communism might motivate the US and its Allies to lunch an incursion into China due to its anti-communism campaign around the globe. It was at this point that PLA forces under Mao Zedong the leader of Communist enter the conflict. Looking at the scenario above, the Putschists in Mali, Guinea and Bokina Faso are not in support of Niger Republic for any other reason than the fear of being removed themselves if ECOMOG Military intervention in Niger went successfully (which will happen eventually). One question one need to asked was that, do these three Putschists has the popularity enough to motivate their soldiers to enter conflict with ECOMOG or do their country has enough resource. Yes they are soldiers and are not afraid of fighting, but is it wise to esclate what they can not finish? O yes, they pledge allegiense to Russia, but will Russia raise the middle finger to Nigeria its biggest trade partner in the ECOWAS block? I don't think so. If at all Russia has serious interest in the parties, it will rather play both sides or rather than loosing one of it's biggest partner in Africa. Why Mali, Guinea and Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic, what is your opinion? |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by brain54(m): 11:51am On Aug 08, 2023 |
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Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by BOSSkesh(m): 11:55am On Aug 08, 2023 |
Mali+ Guinea +Burkina Faso + Niger can’t stand the military might of Ecomog What you said is true regarding the military rulers scared for thier own regime Look at it this way ; why Nigeria wasn’t too bothered by the coup in mail or Burkina Faso is because they don’t border Nigeria directly so in essence not exactly a threat to our democracy, but Niger shares a common border with us which can put coup attempt plans in the hearts of our generals. As the generals might use any slight excuse to stage a coup If Nigeria does nothing it’ll make her look weak, before you know it we’ll have coups in Togo, Benin republic, Guinea, Sierra Leone and even Senegal and neighbors Cameroon and chad further diminishing the might of Ecomog But then again these countries are starting to underestimate Nigeria so they’ll need to be taught a lesson Anybody who thinks there’s going to be a war is joking 🙃 |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by mysticwarrior(m): 12:30pm On Aug 08, 2023 |
Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger does not have the financial capability and military efficieny to wage war against Nigeria and Ecomog at large. If Ecomog use military actions against Niger mali and Burkina Faso would withdraw and hid inside their shell. The three countries are landlocked which means they do not even have access to the sea, with tight blockade in the cause of war they would all be stranded and suffocated. |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by Horus(m): 1:59pm On Aug 08, 2023 |
mysticwarrior: The three countries are Not landlocked because they are allied with Guinea's military junta an Guinea is a country bordered on the west by the Atlantic Ocean with a container port. Now you can see regularly Russian cargo planes landing in the capital, Bamako in mali, delivering weapons and ammunition from Russia |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by mysticwarrior(m): 3:29pm On Aug 08, 2023 |
Horus:without Guinea they are landlocked and Nigerian navy could easily block they Guinean water ways. Even if Russia delivers weapons to Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger they still cannot wage war with the rest of the west African countries. |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by OmoGomesIlorin: 7:39pm On Aug 08, 2023 |
Horus: Please for the rest of the argument on Niger Coup, remove hope in Russia, it is not going to help them. Russia won't want to sabotage its relationship with Nigeria. Just last month Dmitry Shugaev, director of Russia’s FSVTS announce to the world that Nigeria express interest in Su-75 stealth fighter jet. out of all the countries that expressed interest in Nigeria and three others were publicly announced while others identify were not revealed. Source And don't tell me expression of interest does not mean buying, Nigeria did same with Pakistani JF-17 thunder and end up buying 3 and future prospect of buying more in tens. |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by Horus(m): 10:29pm On Aug 08, 2023 |
mysticwarrior: They do not intend to wage war with the rest of the west African countries, they will simply defend themselves against a foreign invasion |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by Horus(m): 10:40pm On Aug 08, 2023 |
OmoGomesIlorin: Russia have nothing to do with hope but a real military alliance between the two countries . While on a trip to Mali, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov signed a deal for more military support for the Malian military junta. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBmeYkpRZuI Mali has received more warplanes, fighter jets and helicopters from Russia |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by ken6488(m): 12:23am On Aug 09, 2023 |
BOSSkesh:ECOMOG is not ready for a total Africa war Don’t be surprised when this ECOMOG army match against their corrupt government Northern Nigeria will fight for niger 1 Like |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by ken6488(m): 12:25am On Aug 09, 2023 |
mysticwarrior:which navy? Iran drones will take those out Africa will be engulfed in fire |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by mysticwarrior(m): 2:42am On Aug 09, 2023 |
ken6488:Northern Nigeria owe it's constitutional allegiance to Nigeria and in the cause of external aggression the entire Nigeria will fight as a single entity. |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by mysticwarrior(m): 2:43am On Aug 09, 2023 |
ken6488:dey there dey deceive yourself. |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by Jane74(f): 3:11am On Aug 09, 2023 |
OmoGomesIlorin: The Russians, for their part, may think that Nigeria won't want to sabotage its relationship with Russia and will not get involved in an adventure with intervention in Niger. Because: "Russia, due to the threat of famine in 2023, supplied Nigeria with 34 thousand tons of fertilizers for free", "a meeting with Rosatom on the construction of a nuclear power plant in Nigeria was scheduled at the end of July (I don't know if it took place)", "Russia partially fulfilled the contract for the supply of helicopters to Nigeria" - these are short news headlines in the Russian media for Nigeria over the past month. In general, you are wrong. Russia has a small trade turnover with Nigeria, in 2021 $ 920 million in total (compare with the leaders in Africa: Egypt - $4.8 billion, Algeria - $3 billion, Morocco - $ 1,6 billion) As for arms sales, Algeria is a much more profitable (and long-standing) partner of Russia. Do you know Algeria's position on the situation in Niger? And what are Nigeria's largest trading partners in the world? China ($13,7 billion), India ($13,9 billion), Netherlands ($8,3 billion). China builds 1,980km Oil Pipeline From Niger to Benin Republic. This is if you think purely from an economic point of view. But Russians think differently Russia is at war with Ukraine, and the more problems Western countries that support Zelensky and their satellites have, the better for Russia. Russia has condemned the unconstitutional coup in Niger, but opposes military intervention in the country. This is the diplomatic position. But Russia benefits from any scenario in the region. Because in any case, the interests of Western countries will suffer Perhaps the military option is even more profitable for Russia. Since there is a high probability that the matter will not be limited to a local Niger-Nigeria conflict and the entire Sahel will burn. Then Algeria will be involved, and if Algeria, which supplies gas to Europe, is involved.. Wow! plus, Russia will sell Algeria even more weapons. Plus a wave of refugees to Europe. PS. I'm from Russia, I saw your comment and it made me laugh very much. From the land of snow and bears, everything looks completely different. It is not Russia that is interested in Nigeria because of the ridiculous 900 million dollars, but Nigeria should be interested in not spoiling relations with Russia and China. Sorry for my English UPD. And think about this, please: Russia simply will not sell the SU-75 to Nigeria for any money. If Nigeria will want to sabotage its relationship with Russia. Because Russia does not sell the latest weapons to unfriendly countries in principle 3 Likes |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by ken6488(m): 11:59am On Aug 09, 2023 |
mysticwarrior:you are the one deceiving your self thinking Nigeria will really attack Niger |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by ken6488(m): 12:01pm On Aug 09, 2023 |
mysticwarrior:aggression from who Niger? Common man man Nigeria is the aggressor Single entity are you even in Nigeria? Am not sure, Nigerians will fight for tribe before Nigeria we are far from being unified |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by mysticwarrior(m): 5:24pm On Aug 09, 2023 |
ken6488:You don't sound like someone who is abreast in military history, international relations, conflict resolutions and diplomacy. In every war there is an aggressor and the opposite side uses every strategic means at their disposal to initiate counter aggressions. It is this counter aggressions from Niger the six Northern Nigerian states which share boundaries with Niger are worried about. Let me quickly remind you that the sultan of sokoto is still regarded as the spiritual head of many Muslims in southern Niger, there are ethnic groups which are in Nigeria and also in Niger and these includes the Zarma, Fulani, kanuri, Zuru and Hausa people, but if there is a war between Nigeria and Niger they would never take side with Nigeria against Niger. The principles of the "no right of secession eshrine in the constitution of the Nigerian federalism" do not permit any ethnic groups of Nigeria to take side with their kindred in another nation and fight against Nigeria during possible hostilities. |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by ken6488(m): 6:01pm On Aug 09, 2023 |
mysticwarrior:the North will not respect the constitution and who will enforce it? Most of the top commanders are from the north |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by mysticwarrior(m): 6:22pm On Aug 09, 2023 |
ken6488:It would be an act of insubordination for any commander to contravene an order given to him by his Superiors. Such military commanders would be court-martialed and punished according to military law. |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by ken6488(m): 6:47pm On Aug 09, 2023 |
mysticwarrior:or such commanders can turn around and match on Abuja? I mean what are the chances |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by mysticwarrior(m): 6:42am On Aug 10, 2023 |
ken6488:Abeg dey think well before you talk, no offense directed and please do not quote me again, I would appreciate it if you respect my decision. |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by XAUBulls: 5:42pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jane74:Your perspective on this is well thought out, but military rule is an aberration. Did you know that Islamist insurgents have taken over more land and territories in Mali since the military coup took place there and the Mali military junta expelled the French military in Mali? Niger Republic too must not be allowed to degenerate to that level of Mali where violent Islamists will take over after those indisciplined Niger military coup plotters expelled the French and U.S. troops. This will have dire effects on Nigeria and the rest of West Africa and Africa with an increase in military spending. Moneys that should be used for economic development. Welcome to this discussion forum by the way. Reading through your previous posts, I knew you were a Russian and you confirmed it here. All the best! |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by Jane74(f): 1:07am On Aug 14, 2023 |
XAUBulls: Thank you for the warm welcome. Yes, I live in Russia and I wasn't going to hide it. Just in case, I apologize again for my written English; sometimes I have to use a google translator. Now I will answer the substance of your comments. 1. Military coups are generally evil, I agree. But the possibility of military coups in the country does not depend at all on the state system, on the personal qualities of the military or the personal qualities of the civil authorities. To avoid endless military coups in the country, the army must be organized in a strictly defined way. In the Russian Empire, military coups ended only after the reform of the army, in Turkey the army ceased to be a political force only after the reform of the army, in the USA the army cannot stage a military coup, in England it cannot, in France after Napoleon the army is also not capable of coups. In Turkey in general.. military coups before Erdogan's reform were as familiar to everyone as the sunrise. I emphasize that it does not matter what kind of state system is in the country. A monarchy or a democratic republic or something else. It is important how the army is organized. And coups would have happened in the Soviet Union every month if the Russian Emperor Alexander I had not changed the structure of the army after the military guard overthrew (and killed) his father, Emperor Paul I in 1801. The main safety valve against coups is the constant rotation of officers. The same officer does not serve for a long time in one place. All officers, regardless of rank, are constantly being transferred from one duty station to another. An officer does not acquire connections, soldiers and officers do not appear around him, ready to follow him into fire and water. In short, the army is a leaky sieve, no conspiracy can be kept secret for more than a couple of days. And you can't prepare anything serious in a couple of days. And treat coups with foreign invasion.. this is a rather strange idea. It is very expensive, troublesome and the result is completely unpredictable. For example, after the "democratic" bloodless February revolution of 1917, which today's USA and Europe would welcome.. The civil war in Russia was unleashed by foreign military units (the Czechoslovak Legion), and the subsequent intervention of the Entente countries (England, France, USA) allowed the Bolsheviks to finally establish themselves in the country; the whole people eventually sided with the "Reds". There are many similar examples in the history of different countries 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by XAUBulls: 11:47am On Aug 15, 2023 |
Jane74:Well said @Jane74. First off, your English is very okay in your posts... conversely Google Translate will always come in handy for "cheating"... I too have used an online translation software called babel fish to translate Russian webpages and communicate with potential clients in Russia back in the day and got a perfect feedback from them. This was even before Google Translate came into existence. Yes, you are absolutely right about rotating military officers and NOT keeping them to serve for too long in one place. In any event, with the situation brewing in West Africa... it would be great for President Vladimir Putin to step in and tell those coup plotters to revert to status quo, let the ousted minority Arab President Bazzoum complete his 4-year term and and let democracy persist [since Russia seems to exert a strong influence on them]. The coup plotters from the 3 out of 4 West African countries under military rule [Mali, Burkina Faso, Guinea, Niger] all attended the 2nd Russia-Africa Summit that took place in St. Petersburg this month of August 2023. Nice summations from you. |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by OmoGomesIlorin: 9:53pm On Aug 15, 2023 |
Jane74: Wherever there is population, there is money, and I for do not think Putin will want sabotage its own previous efforts to befriend Nigeria. Yes both countries have interest in Niger but besides having the opportunity to punish Europe there is no significant benefit Russia would get. Russia does not need Niger's Uranium in any significant amount. In geopolitics anything can happen, but we will see what will unfold in the coming days. Should ECOWAS choose military intervention, Russia has little it can do, except it will use proxy method to get involved. Of cause I have recent information about Russian preparing to Puchists for military confrontation with ECOWAS using proxy |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by KGBKremlin: 5:48am On Aug 16, 2023 |
BOSSkesh: Look at this brown roof local that only good in making noise like Igbo,go and invade Niger Republic naa illiterate |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by KGBKremlin: 5:50am On Aug 16, 2023 |
mysticwarrior: Illiterate |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by KGBKremlin: 5:53am On Aug 16, 2023 |
OmoGomesIlorin: Who are nigeria government really you're an illiterate without northerners there's nothing like nigeria, the Niger are part of the northerners. |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by mysticwarrior(m): 7:10am On Aug 16, 2023 |
KGBKremlin:Professor of phulishness. |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by Jane74(f): 6:57pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
OmoGomesIlorin: You didn't understand what I wrote. Either you could not read the text because you are illiterate, or you read it, but not with your eyes, but with your booty. Nigeria is a completely insignificant country for Russia. Especially when it comes to Russia's strategic interests. P.S. if I try to explain the realities to you further, then I will be banned automatically on the forum for intolerant white supremacy. for example, you are sure that for the sake of money, anyone is ready for anything, even Putin will kiss Nigeria in all places - because Nigeria offers money.. So what am I supposed to do? How can I convey to you that your thoughts are not for Russians? So that I won't be banned because of a demonstration of white supremacy? You didn't understand what I wrote. |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by OmoGomesIlorin: 7:36pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Jane74: You don't have to throw tantrum, be conveying your message. Talk of reality, what is happening in Ukraine is the reality. Nigeria is a completely insignificant country for Russia. This statement is nothing but a fallacy. If Nigeria is not significant, yourself will not be on this forum. I Even doubt your claim of be a Russian Danburoba |
Re: Niger: Why Mali, Guinea And Bokina Faso Join Niger Republic by OmoGomesIlorin: 7:37pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
XAUBulls: I don't see putin telling them to back sha |
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