God created good & evil, and also man. He then gave man freewill to choose between these two phenomena. It is understood that God knows everything even before they are, and what the future holds explicably. Does this not translate to Him knowing who makes heaven or hell even before we are born?

God did not create evil or darkness in any form.

There was darkness in this world before creation. God simply seperated light from darkness and create habitation for darkness to dwell. I.e hell, night time etc.

The other question is dicey. Be careful of over zealous people providing answers that could lead astray.


Now, God told Abraham when he was going to sacrifice Issac, now I know that you fear/love me. Does this translate that God didn't know Abraham before this test ?


God knows who makes Heaven only by evaluation of human lives based on activities they engaged in on earth after their time on earth. What you should align yourself with is what God wills. The Word of God says whosoever lives God will do His will. What's His will, everything He loves should be done. Everything He hates should be avoided. Doing this on a consistent basis means one will end in Heaven with a probability ratio of Atleast 95%

Wodu89:
God did not create evil or darkness in any form

Who did? And why is there evil?

OndoRaph:
God created good & evil, and also man. He then gave man freewill to choose between these two phenomena. It is understood that God knows everything even before they are, and how the future. Does this not translate to Him knowing who makes heaven or hell even before we are born?

Does God knowing the future mean that you also know?

OndoRaph:
Who did? And why is there evil?

Man got seduced by Satan. And evil came into the world. Not by the will of God, but by the corruption that was in Satan. Who wanted to corrupt and pollute the earth and mankind because he was sent away by His creator, aka demoted.



Focus on God, not the devil and you're safe

Kobojunkie:
Does God knowing the future mean that you also know?

Humans know not future.

Wodu89:



Man got seduced by Satan. And evil came into the world. Not by the will of God, but by the corruption that was in Satan. Who wanted to corrupt and pollute the earth and mankind because he was sent away by His creator, aka demoted.



Focus on God, not the devil and you're safe

Didn't God knew the future that satan would rebel Him and corrupt his creation?

The bible is written by people like u, that is why everything is upside down with killing spree

OndoRaph:
Humans know not future.

So God knows those among the Lost sheep of Israel who will end in Hellfire from those of them who will perish in the grave and those of them that will qualify for Heaven at the end. (God knows the end from the beginning.) However, none of the Lost sheep themselves are aware of their end from their beginning. So what is your confusion?

Wodu89:
God knows who makes Heaven only by evaluation of human lives based on activities they engaged in on earth after their time on earth.

Which means He doesn't foresee/know humans future?

OndoRaph:
Which means He doesn't foresee/know humans future?

How does God's knowledge of the future edify you ?

The future is the construct of your decisions, actions and inactions is what God wants us to understand not His knowing it.

Kobojunkie:
So God knows those among the Lost sheep of Israel who will end in Hellfire from those of them who will perish in the grave and those of them that will qualify for Heaven at the end. However, none of the Lost sheep themselves are aware of their end from their beginning. So what is your confusion?

Get me, it is like, you gave someone freewill to choose over two things; however, you already know/see crystal clear his choice, then what is the essence of the test?

OndoRaph:
■ Get me, it is like, you gave someone freewill to choose over two things; however, you already know/see crystal clear his choice, then what is the essence of the test?

Think in terms of transfer of knowledge. Only God had awareness in the beginning. But by the end, that knowledge is acquired by those make it to Hell and those who make it to Heaven. Those who perish along the way loose out entirely.

God created all of this in order to harvest for Himself Sons of God and create a universe in which they would then rule. That is what the end goal is, according to Scripture.

Wodu89:



How does God's knowledge of the future edify you ?

The future is the construct of your decisions, actions and inactions is what God wants us to understand not His knowing it.

I am very poor scripturally. I only recall bits of scripture I heard from people in past times. Literally, everyone knows the future is our actions and inactions. However, religiously, I, may be more than once heard about how scripturally, God knows us even before we are conceived.

OndoRaph:
I am very poor scripturally. I only recall bits of scripture I heard from people in past times. Literally, everyone knows the future is our actions and inactions. However, religiously, I, may be more than once heard about how scripturally, God knows us even before we are conceived.

If you focus on the good deeds of life, and avoid bad deeds, you're constructing a future that's to a little extent without judgement of being punished. Leave God's knowledge of the future alone. Focus on your deeds, misdeeds, inactions and actions

Wodu89:



If you focus on the good deeds of life, and avoid bad deeds, you're constructing a future that's to a little extent without judgement of being punished. Leave God's knowledge of the future alone. Focus on your deeds, misdeeds, inactions and actions

You are right and this is a very simple truth. Get me now, I chose to focus and according to scriptures, God knew even before I was conceived that I would take the good path. Which means same He knew about the bad path person. If so then, there is no absolute freewill. That's my point.

OndoRaph:
You are right and this is a very simple truth. Get me now, I chose to focus and according to scriptures, God knew even before I was conceived that I would take the good path. Which means same He knew about the bad path person. If so then, there is no absolute freewill. That's my point.

If you don't have freewill, who benefits from the food you eat daily? God or you?


I perceive you're a young believer and you're trying to find your path. And you like to be certain about the path to take going forward. Am I correct ?

OndoRaph:
■ You are right and this is a very simple truth. Get me now, I chose to focus and according to scriptures, God knew even before I was conceived that I would take the good path. Which means same He knew about the bad path person. If so then, there is no absolute freewill. That's my point.

Your "good path" amounts to absolutely nothing where God is. That is because God never sent any man to following a "good path" of his own making. Rather, God gave His Law and said those who would submit to and obey His Law --- His teachings and commandments--- He would reward with Heaven whereas those among the men who pretend to accept but refuse to obey, He will cast in to the place of Eternal punishment.

Wodu89:



If you don't have freewill, who benefits from the food you eat daily? God or you?


I perceive you're a young believer and you're trying to find your path. And you like to be certain about the path to take going forward. Am I correct ?

The concept of religious freewill applies to the choice between good and evil. And to the best of my knowledge, I understand this is why God allowed evil in to start with. He would of course had destroyed satan before he even thought of rebellion.

Please commentors should add to knowledge by reading extensively about 'the concept freewill,' preferably on wikipedia. I did academic studies on it 12yrs ago. I am certain how to phrase it but it should be related to religion for disambiguation

OndoRaph:
■ The concept of religious freewill applies to the choice between good and evil.
■ And to the best of my knowledge, I understand this is why God allowed evil in to start with. He would of course had destroyed satan before he even thought of rebellion.

1. Religious theories aside, what is instead written in Scripture is that God gave man freedom to chose between obedience of His Law, or disobedience of His Law. So, if your idea of God does not match exactly God's Law, your choice is of disobedience and hence against God.

2. God created Satan exactly for the purpose which he serves. That is what is instead recorded in Scripture. Satan is a servant of God who takes His orders from God.

You should probably go do your own reading and investigation of what is written in Scripture for yourself so you learn facts from fiction.

OndoRaph:
Please commentor should add to knowledge by reading extensively about 'the concept freewill,' preferably on wikipedia. I did academic studies on it 12yrs ago. I am certain how to phrase it but it should be related to religion for disambiguation

Again, these concepts of freewill which you claim to have absolutely nothing to do with Scripture or the God of Scripture. They are doctrines of the imaginations of men. So trying to pin them to the person of God is akin to trying to force your way on Him ... futility. There exists no direct or indirect connection between freewill as imagined by men and freedom to chose between obedience and disobedience of God's Law as revealed in Scripture.

OndoRaph:
The concept of religious freewill applies to the choice between good and evil. And to the best of my knowledge, I understand this is why God allowed evil in to start with. He would of course had destroyed satan before he even thought of rebellion.

God is energy. Netwon would say energy is never destroyed. God tries to shy away from destruction as much as possible. Focus on things you can control. Not the ills.of the world. Focus on your actions and deeds

Kobojunkie:
1. Religious theories aside, what is instead written in Scripture is that God gave man freedom to chose between obedience of His Law, or disobedience of His Law. So, if your idea of God does not match exactly God's Law, your choice is of disobedience and hence against God.

2. God created Satan exactly for the purpose which he serves. That is what is instead recorded in Scripture. Satan is a servant of God who takes His orders from God.

You should probably go do your own reading and investigation of what is written in Scripture for yourself so you learn facts from fiction.

Point 1. You just confirmed my submission. 2. You are not right.

Wodu89:
God did not create evil or darkness in any form.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Mr. OP, your observation is spot on. If the Christian god is real and is in fact all-powerful and all-knowing, then everything thing that happens does so according to its will. Everyone is acting a script.

Who created hell?
Who created the devil?
Who allowed the devil to make contact with hs special pets?
Who placed a nuclear bomb of a tree in the midst of naive child-like adults?
Who has the power to prevent all possible screw ups?

The whole thing is nonsense but you may not be ready to accept that yet.

ReacherSaidNoth:
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

I fully agree. Theocratically God can create evil, but by the authenticity of His reputation, we choose to not associate God with evil by any extent

OndoRaph:
Point 1. You just confirmed my submission. 2. You are not right.

This response is from someone who earlier admitted to having near no useful scriptural background.

OndoRaph:
I am very poor scripturally. I only recall bits of scripture I heard from people in past times. Literally, everyone knows the future is our actions and inactions. However, religiously, I, may be more than once heard about how scripturally, God knows us even before we are conceived.

I wouldn't necessarily say that evil was created by God but evil came as a result of being the absence of good, but He does allows it to happen just as to say that darkness is the absence of light.

Man is totally depraved (Isaiah 64:6), hence in our own freewill, man can't come to God not to talk of to do good.
“There is none righteous, not even one;
There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
All have turned aside, together they have become useless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
— Romans 3:10-12


God is soverign and I believe he knows even before the Foundation of the world who comes to Him afterall He is the one that chose the elect(John 6:37, John 15:16, Acts13:48, Eph 1:4). The number of people who makes heaven or hell is really none of your business, what you should worry about is your own soul.
You need to know that you definitely can't make it to heaven except you deny yourself, pick up your cross and follow Jesus, You have to believe the gospel of Christ, Repent of your sins and trust in the death and resurrection of Christ on the cross who bleed and died for your sins, only then can you be Justified by faith.

ReacherSaidNoth:
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Mr. OP, your observation is spot on. If the Christian god is real and is in fact all-powerful and all-knowing, then everything thing that happens does so according to its will. Everyone is acting a script.

Who created hell?
Who created the devil?
Who allowed the devil to make contact with hs special pets?
Who placed a nuclear bomb of a tree in the midst of naive child-like adults?
Who has the power to prevent all possible screw ups?

The whole thing is nonsense but you may not be ready to accept that yet.

I believe you know the answer to those questions because I know you know God exist but your problem is the evil that is happening in the world.
What is evil? It's anything that's against God, could be anything that is morally bad or wrong like murder, rape, stealing, lying, cheating, coveting etc.
So if we want God to stop them all, do we want all the evil and corruption to end, or just the ones we don't like while we keep the morally wrong ones that gives us pleasures.
If we want Him to stop all evil, we have to be consistent, we can't just pick and choose based on our interests.
That means you and I would be eliminated right? Because we think evil stuff(yes, evil starts from the heart).
If that's true, we should be eliminated!
But thanks be to God that Jesus stepped in to save us from our sin!
Christ died for all evilness! Repent, turn to Jesus! Before it's too late.