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The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 6:26am On Sep 15, 2023 |
The bible claims to be a religious book. In this thread I will seek to find out how true this claim is with quoted passages from specific books,chapters and verses. You are therefore free to keep your Bible handy as the thread proceeds. Thank you. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 6:36am On Sep 15, 2023 |
THE BIBLE ON SLAVERY. we all agree that slavery is bad and morally unjust. From this premise it will be assumed a religious book would condemn such an action. Does the bible in any shade or form condem this abominable act? No in fact the bible supports slavery of human beings in all forms and even goes further to tell you how to enslave people. Through out the new testament Jesus Christ never for once condemns slavery. Christ performs many noble actions,gives a lot of advise on how to be a good person and how to attain the kingdom of heaven but does he for once condemn slavery? No he does not. What about Peter his disciple? Does he condemn slavery? No he does not! |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 6:37am On Sep 15, 2023 |
Bible passages approving Slavery. 1st Peter chapter 2 verse 18. 18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 6:51am On Sep 15, 2023 |
Peter encourages slaves to accept slavery no matter how harsh. It is there in the Bible. Does that quote from Peter loom like a condemnation of slavery in any form or shape? The bible even tells how to enslave people and those to be enslaved. Exodus chapter 21 verses 7-11. 7 “When a man lsells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. 8 If she does not please her master, who has designated her2 for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has broken faith with her. 9 If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. 10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or mher marital rights. 11 And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 6:57am On Sep 15, 2023 |
How to enslave people and those to be enslaved. Exodus 21:20-21 20 ¶ And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be asurely punished. 21 Notwithstanding, if he acontinue a day or two, he shall not be bpunished: for he is his money. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 7:01am On Sep 15, 2023 |
Other notable passages supporting slavery in the Bible. Colossians 4:1 1 Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 7:03am On Sep 15, 2023 |
Another. Ephesians 6:5 5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 7:05am On Sep 15, 2023 |
Another. Colossians 3:22 22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 7:06am On Sep 15, 2023 |
And another. Titus 2:9-10 9 Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, 10 and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 7:08am On Sep 15, 2023 |
And another. Luke 12:47-48 47 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 7:10am On Sep 15, 2023 |
You are free to make your own research on how the bible encourages slaves and slavery. I have quoted various books from the bible and you are free to confirm if these passages are true or false. I also want you to bear in mind that Jesus talks about a lot of thing but is not quoted to once speak against slaves or slavery. Good day. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 7:11am On Sep 15, 2023 |
Misogyny and abuse of women in the Bible. MENSTRUATING WOMEN ARE UNCLEAN. LEVITICUS CHAPTER 15 VERSE 20 And everything on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean. Everything also on which she sits shall be unclean.” |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 7:22am On Sep 15, 2023 |
WOMEN ARE TO BE SILENT. Timothy chapter 2 verse 12. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 7:33am On Sep 15, 2023 |
Leviticus chapter 19 verse 20. And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 7:41am On Sep 15, 2023 |
More misogyny. Deuteronomy chapter 25 verses 11-12. 11 ¶ When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: 12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 7:58am On Sep 15, 2023 |
Genesis chapter 38. This chapter is a mixture of sex,misogyny, deceit, and incest. GENESIS CHAPTER 38. The incestuous story of Judah,and his daughter in law Tamar. What a horrible and immoral story. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 8:17am On Sep 15, 2023 |
Lot and his daughters [INCEST] GENESIS CHAPTER 19.verses 30-36. 30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.” 33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. 34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. 36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 8:38am On Sep 15, 2023 |
2 SAMUEL 13 VERSES 10-17. AMNON AND TAMAR [INCEST] 10 And Amnon said unto Tamar, Bring the meat into the chamber, that I may eat of thine hand. And Tamar took the cakes which she had made, and brought them into the chamber to Amnon her brother. 11 And when she had brought them unto him to eat, he took hold of her, and said unto her, Come lie with me, my sister. 12 And she answered him, Nay, my brother, do not force me; for no such thing ought to be done in Israel: do not thou this folly. 13 And I, whither shall I cause my shame to go? and as for thee, thou shalt be as one of the fools in Israel. Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee. 14 Howbeit he would not hearken unto her voice: but, being stronger than she, forced her, and lay with her. 15 Then Amnon hated her exceedingly; so that the hatred wherewith he hated her was greater than the love wherewith he had loved her. And Amnon said unto her, Arise, be gone. 16 And she said unto him, There is no cause: this evil in sending me away is greater than the other that thou didst unto me. But he would not hearken unto her. 17 Then he called his servant that ministered unto him, and said, Put now this woman out from me, and bolt the door after her. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 8:43am On Sep 15, 2023 |
GENOCIDE. The bible contains many stories of full scale genocide and destruction of entire civilisations. Below are a few passages. Please confirm these scriptures from your bible. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 8:46am On Sep 15, 2023 |
Genocide instructions. Deuteronomy 20:16 Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 8:47am On Sep 15, 2023 |
More. 1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 8:49am On Sep 15, 2023 |
Continued. Numbers 31:18 But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 8:51am On Sep 15, 2023 |
More. Hosea 13:16 Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 8:53am On Sep 15, 2023 |
More genocide. Deuteronomy 13:16 Then you shall gather all its booty into the middle of its open square and burn the city and all its booty with fire as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God; and it shall be a ruin forever. It shall never be rebuilt |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 8:58am On Sep 15, 2023 |
More genocide. Exodus chapter 12 verses 29-30. 29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. 30 And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 9:07am On Sep 15, 2023 |
More. Numbers 31 verses 17-18. 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 9:11am On Sep 15, 2023 |
The flood. Genesis chapter 7 verses 22-23. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 9:17am On Sep 15, 2023 |
Utter Destruction,terror and genocide. Deuteronomy 20:17 But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the Lord your God has commanded you, 1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” Numbers 31:18 But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Hosea 13:16 Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open. Exodus 32:28 So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day. x Deuteronomy 20:16 Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. Deuteronomy 15:6 For the Lord your God will bless you as He has promised you, and you will lend to many nations, but you will not borrow; and you will rule over many nations, but they will not rule over you. Deuteronomy 13:16 Then you shall gather all its booty into the middle of its open square and burn the city and all its booty with fire as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God; and it shall be a ruin forever. It shall never be rebuilt. Deuteronomy 12:3 You shall tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and burn their Asherim with fire, and you shall cut down the engraved images of their gods and obliterate their name from that place. Joshua 6:21 They utterly destroyed everything in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 9:31am On Sep 15, 2023 |
1st Samuel chapter 15 verses 7-9. 7 And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt. 8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword. 9 But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 9:37am On Sep 15, 2023 |
Joshua chapter 6 verses 24-27. Destruction of Jericho.[mass murder] 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the Lord. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. 26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the Lord, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 So the Lord was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 9:55am On Sep 15, 2023 |
The EROTIC song of Solomon. ![]() I have read the Bible cover to cover a few times and I have always wondered what the hell the song of Solomon is doing in a canonical religious book of a god? It reads more like a soft porn or a rap song by Megan thee Stallion. I'll leave you to go and read it and then tell me WHY WOULD CHURCH ELDERS INCLUDE THIS IN A SO CALLED BOOK OF GOD?? Snippets. Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth! For your love is better than wine; 3 your anointing oils are fragrant; your name is oil poured out; therefore virgins love you. 4 Draw me after you; let us run. The king has brought me into his chambers. |
Re: The Bible 101 For Dummies. by Caveatemptor(m): 2:18pm On Sep 15, 2023 |
Human sacrifice in the Bible. Judges chapter 11 verses 32-40 Jephthah sacrifices his daughter as a burnt offering to his god Yahweh. 32 Then Jephthah went over to fight the Ammonites, and the Lord gave them into his hands. 33 He devastated twenty towns from Aroer to the vicinity of Minnith, as far as Abel Keramim. Thus Israel subdued Ammon. 34 When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of timbrels! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, “Oh no, my daughter! You have brought me down and I am devastated. I have made a vow to the Lord that I cannot break.” 36 “My father,” she replied, “you have given your word to the Lord. Do to me just as you promised, now that the Lord has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites. 37 But grant me this one request,” she said. “Give me two months to roam the hills and weep with my friends, because I will never marry.” 38 “You may go,” he said. And he let her go for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never marry. 39 After the two months, she returned to her father, and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin. From this comes the Israelite tradition 40 that each year the young women of Israel go out for four days to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite. |
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