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Re: Does God Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 5:01pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Like we don't know what you guys will say and argue from. Just say, you don't have any reasonable thing say. jaephoenix: Off Point! Most atheists here are ex churchgoers who call themselves Christians, so therefore if you do not have any reasonable thing to say in counter to my answer, then fly off. [quote author=jaephoenix post=127460442] A. Scarcity of husbands. Who said men are scarce? These threads already show you are a very big liar and a very dishonest person. https://www.nairaland.com/6268983/beg-anambra-enugu-men-marry#96259293 https://www.nairaland.com/5462345/come-forward-marry-us-female#82993683 https://www.nairaland.com/4005489/unmarried-kenyan-lady-wedding-gown#59724265 SEE YOU ARE A BIG LIAR AND IT IS VERY UNREASONABLE TO ARGUE WITH A LIAR! |
Re: Does God Exist? by Image123(m): 6:47pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
LordReed: The Word of God remains quick and powerful. No tittle or jot of it has passed away. Learn some Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew if it saves you the headache, or just stick to a good KJV. The problem though is not any translation but you all. You couldn't understand it even if it blasted live as a trumpet in your front. It would remain foolishness and incomprehensible to you, same way as chinese is to me. i can't even, sure you don't gerrit though, knowing you. |
Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 9:10pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Ok Do you agree with Dawkins? 😂 |
Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 9:10pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
Maynman: Keep quoting me Descendant of fish and worshipper of non - existence |
Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 9:13pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
jaephoenix: They are well-mannered They are kind too Unlike children of parents who are mentally retarded choosing to believe what they don't know and forcing it in others Our children too are learning how to please God... When a child is an atheist, he does all kinds of nonsense |
Re: Does God Exist? by LordReed(m): 11:41pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
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Re: Does God Exist? by Maynman: 1:04am On Dec 14, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:Crass, Descendant of characters found in a forged book and descendant a yahweh, a small god before they made him a national god , 😛 |
Re: Does God Exist? by Maynman: 1:06am On Dec 14, 2023 |
LordReed:On it, thank you. |
Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 5:40am On Dec 14, 2023 |
Maynman: Atleast, I am Descendant of a man (human) whether you believe such character or not Descendant of fish wants me to feel sad that I'm Descendant of human Bwahahahahaha 1 Like |
Re: Does God Exist? by Maynman: 5:57am On Dec 14, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:You are a descendants of a Jewish Legend that only exist in a book. All lives come from water, it's a fact, it does not need BELIEFS, you don't matter. In the next 5000 years this will still be fact and more facts will be added, soon you will be gone with your beliefs. Fool does not know human is from homo. You are from yahweh dust and yahweh dust you will return to bwahahahahahahah
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Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 8:16am On Dec 14, 2023 |
Maynman: I believe I'm the Descendant of the first human couple which you don't accept I congratulate you as a fish Descendant you're proud of. Seems that makes you better than I am No more comments from my end Enjoy your Thursday and do well to visit those ancestors in the blue sea, they'll welcome you and you won't ever return to land again ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Does God Exist? by Maynman: 8:21am On Dec 14, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:Yes, you BELIEVE You are a descendants of a Jewish Legend that only exist in a book. All lives come from water, it's a fact, it does not need BELIEFS, you don't matter. In the next 5000 years this will still be fact and more facts will be added, soon you will be gone with your beliefs. Fool does not know human is from homo. You are from yahweh dust and yahweh dust you will return to bwahahahahahahah |
Re: Does God Exist? by budaatum: 12:48pm On Dec 15, 2023 |
KnownUnknown: Aka, lol
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Re: Does God Exist? by KnownUnknown: 12:54pm On Dec 15, 2023 |
budaatum: Gods, servants, and slaves mean the same thing according to the junkie. Lmao 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by budaatum: 7:46pm On Dec 15, 2023 |
KnownUnknown: I kept wondering if he was trying to program me or 'aka' was how he was programmed and couldn't decide which was worse. 1 Like |
Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 12:03pm On Dec 17, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: This part of your objection is not only pointless, it is a dishonest tactic of handwaving aspects of the discussion that you're not comfortable with. The supposition that there is a first cause must carry along a proper definition of the nature of the first cause. But to prove God of the bible above all known and unknown deities is an unreasonable demand becausee it is an impossiblility for you ask of me to know every deity out there to answer this question. I find this paragraph particularly interesting. If you lack the knowledge of certain deities that have been claimed to exist in our human history, how can you ascertain that (1) they do not actually exist, and (2) they had no involvement in the creation of our world? And that is an impossiblility. See above. But the highest proof on this is that no other deity predicted the future of this world which we have seen except the bible e.g. scarcity of husbands, growth in evil and hatred, hardness of buying and selling, the division of Israel into 2 states and it's return to its single state including it's return to the lands God gave them.. All of the examples you've mentioned read like vague predictions lacking any discernable context. Any "prediction" becomes bereft of any value the moment it is interpreted away from its' literal meaning. Most biblical prophecies contain basic ideas or facts that anyone can tailor to fit his/her experience through the usual process of saying, "now this means x; this means y; when it says z, that means a -- now you can see that it predicted what happened/supports the dogma I am asserting." If I predict that 1 person will die of cancer in the next 5 years, and it happens, have I successfully predicted the future? Does divine inspiration suddenly become a factor, despite the fact that I'm already aware of the dangers of cancer, and the relevant statistics associated with the condition? I don't think so. Now contrast this with somebody predicting in the year 1919 -- nearly half a century before Nigeria even gained her independence -- that there will be a serious nationwide protest against police brutality among the youths in the year 2020, and that it will culminate in a massive shootout that will see the death of a number of youths at the Lekki Tollgate on precisely the 20th of October, 2020. I believe it would be a story worth investigating, don't you think? No other deity has given any prophecy which people have said this happened as prophecied by so so so deity. Two things here. 1, anybody can cherrypick any feature peculiar to his or her religion as justification for the validity of his beliefs. In your case, you use prophecy. A Hindu worshipper may use the fact that his religion is not a single religion but a compilation of many traditions and philosophies, as basis for the strength of his worldview. 2, since you have opted for the amplification of prophecies fulfilled in holy books, do you also lend credence to the jihad prophesied in the Holy Koran? But anyway, this is a departure from the post. It's not. this "WORLD" consist of the earth alone in which humans are one of the inhabitants. That's why I kept saying that we are all arguing using our knowledge and experiences in and from this world to make our arguments. By defining the WORLD to mean the earth alone, are you suggesting that your god has no jurisdiction over other parts of the galaxy and other planets etc.? If yes, then who created the universe as a whole, if not your god? According to your wrong opinion and flawed understanding of it which however does not negate the fact that the bible focused on this earth and it's inhabitants whether you undertand it or not, which was the point i made. But this is not the issue. Opinion? LOL. It is a FACT that the Bible is riddled with so many errors and contradictions that scholars tend to rely excessively on hermeneutics and exegesis if they want to make any modicum of sense from the text. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 12:04pm On Dec 17, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: Of course it doesn't. And you cannot offer any solid proof to the contrary. We create "purpose" in our lives by our own personal values, beliefs, ideals and interests. So whatever YOU want in life, that's what life means to YOU. Life has not been shown to possess any inherent and/or objective purpose. ...life h.as no design, no purpose, evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference Obviously this is true, as far as we know. Nevertheless, I know you're trying to be sarcastic here, given that you actually do believe in an objective source of morality and creation in its' entirety. I understand that due to your apparent intellectual immaturity, you will not be able to appreciate the fact that despite having no inherent purpose, life is not entirely absurd. I'm not saying you should go kill yourself or something LOL. What I need you to learn is the fact that the meaning of life is ultimately subjective. A Christian doesn't share the same perception of reality with a pagan. Both don't share the same perception of reality with an atheist. The three of them don't share the same perception of reality with an agnostic deist. The "meaning" of life is defined by your own values and beliefs. I have no argument Finally, he confesses to his monumental cluelessness. LOL. Go and find meaning for your life My life is rich and meaningful, thank you very much. I'm having fun doing my dream job and making good money while at it. I bet you cannot mention just one thing that makes your life as a Christian better than mine. Go ahead and let me have a laugh watching you try. then return to me since you don't know how to refute sound argument I know you're dumb, but at least try to be consistent. Just a little while ago, you said and I quote: I have no argument. So pray tell, what imaginary argument should I be refuting here? In all your glorious witlessness, you've already admitted that you have no idea what you're doing here. With such statement, you people suppose to be living in the wild like animals Well, we can't live in the jungle with other wild animals because our abstract intelligence has made us realize that it is not a conducive environment for our species. So I'm not certain there's any connection between the religious stance of humans and where they choose as their natural habitat ![]() yet to say we are braishwashed and not intelligent Anybody who has followed our conversation so far will know that this charge is valid. Nonsense... ...is what your brain is full of. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 12:05pm On Dec 17, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: Well, I didn't deny anything. Life has no objective purpose. However, we can still create meaning for ourselves individually. Anything else? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 12:33pm On Dec 17, 2023 |
Thorrn: Your life has no purpose. Ok sir |
Re: Does God Exist? by budaatum: 8:09pm On Dec 17, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: I'm actually speechless, Aemmyjah. |
Re: Does God Exist? by kkins25(m): 8:20pm On Dec 17, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: Thor..rn: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:17am On Dec 18, 2023 |
Thorrn: The topic is proof of God, and as I told you from the beginning which you saw, I said no thing about first cause. You are the one not being able to continue since you and your other co-debaters are not able to get past my answer. We understand why you can't. Thorrn: The standard of knowledge requiring me to prove is "All deities" not certain deitie as you can pull any deity from anywhere and immediately I say I do not know it, then you would say, I have not proven God above all other deiies. So,your plan no work. And all these are still a departure from post and fallacy of demanding the impossible. Thorrn: That's not True. There is nothing vague about marry us"/hardness of buying and selling or the fact that Israel is now a single country returning to the place where they were thrown out from. And the mere fact that no other deity anywhere did not make any notable prediction like these, is a clear and distinct Proof of God as they were all free to predict their own prediction in whatever manner they wanted the world to see it come to pass but they did not because they are no gods just wood, iron and stone. So in the end you have nothing here. Thorrn: Fallacy of Begging the question and fallacy of composition. By defining what a ship means does not automatically imply that The Federal High Court does not have jurisdiction over aircraft, territorial waters, airspace etc. Clearly, you have no way of proceeding witb the argument. Thorrn: That's your opinion. The fact is that it is your bad understanding of the bible is which created and causes all the lies you raise against the bible. And this is of course resting on the fact that the bible condemns evil people and consequently evil people will never like it and will always say something is wrong with it. It's as simple as that and everyone knows that is the reason why you people attack the bible. But anyway, this is off point. |
Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 7:13am On Dec 18, 2023 |
kkins25: Is he speaking for everyone? Is that a general fact? Does that statement exclude his own life as a person? 1 Like |
Re: Does God Exist? by kkins25(m): 2:42pm On Dec 18, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: If you can dispute it, why not tell us the purpose of life then? |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 3:11pm On Dec 18, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:So the other galaxies and stars don't exist? Or u don't know how they came about? |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 3:14pm On Dec 18, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:What makes your life purposeful |
Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 3:38pm On Dec 18, 2023 |
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Re: Does God Exist? by Aemmyjah(m): 3:40pm On Dec 18, 2023 |
kkins25: First, what is made must have a purpose If you see a piece of furniture you don't know it's purpose, you ask the carpenter right? If life is from the Creator, only him can tell us the meaning abs purpose of life and other life's big questions, not mere philosophy of men And he indeed has done that through his Word 1 Like |
Re: Does God Exist? by Maynman: 10:03am On Dec 21, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:Does your god have a purpose? 2 Likes |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 11:59am On Dec 21, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:Out of all the points I made, you chose the lamest one to respond to. For your info, there are more females than men statistically and this can be explained biologically since the default sex in-utero is female, til the Mullerian Factor becomes inhibited and a male is formed. So women asking men to marry them isn't new as the men cannot go round for all of them. It has been on for centuries, it abated due to polygamy but polygamy is getting outlawed so the female-male mismatch is getting bad again, what with wars and some male sex dominant disease decimating males. This shows your IQ is lower than I thought |
Re: Does God Exist? by Sand2022: 12:02pm On Dec 21, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: Fine one. In addition miracles both past and present supports the existence of God. |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:05pm On Dec 21, 2023 |
Image123:Have you read the Bible passage in contention? Obviously you haven't read it and you just have to expose your ignorance time and time again. Now explain the fuckery below This is the passage Matthew 27:50-55 New International Version 50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. 51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[a] went into the holy city and appeared to many people. 54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!” |
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