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Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by proeast(m): 4:42pm On Nov 08, 2023
illicit:


Infact they control the price

Do you know happens if they didn't bring just Onions down south

Or let's say beans

๐Ÿ˜ณ

No, they don't control price. Price is a function of demand and supply. If price is high, demand falls and your perishable goods becomes ruined because of reduced/no buyers.

They have no storage facilities, so they must sell as fast as possible after harvest. You can't control price under such situation because you're desperate to sell off.

Beans or other foodstuff don't just come from North alone, some of them come from Chad, Niger and even Burkina Faso.

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Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by malcom1X: 4:57pm On Nov 08, 2023
ahnie:
In terms of industries Kano state takes the lead and they're still functioning mind you Kano state houses one of the biggest tomato making industry.


Then when it comes to foodstuff,they also take the lead,and please kindly zonk the idea of them not actively involve in Yahoo yahoo and prostitution,the north takes the mantle.

Just as you cannot zonk prostitution from the north,same way you can't hack hard and illicit drugs from them too.

They are actively involved in the ills of all you mentioned.

These re facts,not hearsay!

With this statement alone. Don't you think you are putting unnecessary pressure on Kano state alone. To bear the burden of other northern states.
Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by totit: 5:02pm On Nov 08, 2023
proeast:


IGR? Are you sure you're educated? Production has to do with GDP not IGR.

The population of Kano is higher than Lagos according to official data. Kaduna also has high population yet the so-called IGR is not commensurate with such huge populations. If they're productive, the IGR should also match the population.


So, what's the source of IGR?
Also, remember to add PAYE and its contribution and impact on a country or state economy.

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Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by jackie111(m): 5:30pm On Nov 08, 2023
So there is no yahoo yahoo in the North? Wow๐Ÿคฏ
Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by Mbanda(m): 5:48pm On Nov 08, 2023
MS247:

cool


North are productive people living off agriculture, mining, trading

Unlike

People living off drug dealings


.
Do you mean tienibu?
Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by DomPerignon: 5:52pm On Nov 08, 2023
proeast:


No, they don't control price. Price is a function of demand and supply. If price is high, demand falls and your perishable goods becomes ruined because of reduced/no buyers.

They have no storage facilities, so they must sell as fast as possible after harvest. You can't control price under such situation because you're desperate to sell off.

Beans or other foodstuff don't just come from North alone, some of them come from Chad, Niger and even Burkina Faso.


Food is the most easily controlled commodity.



They can easily divert their trucks to other regions and ensure a scarcity in any region they choose.

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Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by DomPerignon: 5:57pm On Nov 08, 2023
proeast:
This question has become very essential in the face of economic turbulence that has hit Nigeria badly, since Tinubu forced himself into office.

In Lagos, P.H, Abuja, Onitsha, and the rest of Southern Nigeria, people are already at their wit's end. The suffering can only be imagined. Therefore, if the South is already at the brink, then one can only imagine the situation in the North.

This argument is not based on sentiments, but on realities on ground. Before anyone will want to say otherwise, I will provide the following facts:

1. North has no remmitances, unlike South; there are millions of people in the South now that are surviving on remmitances. When they get money from their siblings abroad, they patronize local businesses and the local economy receives boost. Thereby circulating money/earnings. Remmitances currently gives Nigeria as much as income as crude oil. That's how huge it is!

2. There are little Yahoo boys in the North
; after legit remmitances and crude oil, Yahoo Yahoo is the second highest forex earner for Nigeria. Their base is largely in the South. Sometimes, you will see them doing giveaway. Buying luxury goods that other Nigerians can no longer afford. Building houses, patronizing local businesses and generally boosting the local economy in the South. Again, North misses out!

3. Fuel price is significantly more expensive in the North
; the difference in fuel pump price between Lagos and Maiduguiri or Sokoto can be as high as 50 naira per litre! When you aggregate it, you will discover that those Northern states are already losing billions of naira at source! Other important going to the North such as tokunbo vehicles, food, machines etc are also going to be high due to high cost of diesel/fuel. Their operational cost will be high and profits very low. The few businesses or industries in the North will be at a greater risk of collapsing than those in the South!
Unlike your barren yeast, they can feed themselves and spare some for you to eat.

I believe this government is affecting mostly importers and petty traders as cost of imported goods due to dollar pricing and inflation has made this route very unproductive.

Most Nigerians are now spending their money on the bare essentials like food.


Since your yeast has next to zero food production and your import based businesses are taking a direct hit, you assume the north is suffering ?

Guess what, northern farmers are now storing more of what they grow and their middlemen are now into hoarding or diversion of foodstuff to neighbouring countries were they earn in hard FX .


You should be more concerned about your eastern economy that is based purely on non productive importation model.

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Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by stuffs2002: 7:16pm On Nov 08, 2023
proeast:
4. North has very few industries and production centers; unlike South, North has very few industries that are still operating. Aside Kano, the rest of Northern Nigeria is almost dead, in terms of industries. Even Kano is no longer what it used to be. But in Lagos, Ogun, Anambra, Abia, Rivers, Oyo etc. Southern states still have significant industries thereby reducing unemployment and boosting the local economy.

5. Commerce and services are low in the North;
commercial activities helps to boost local economy and put money in circulation. Aside Kano, commercial activities and accompanying services is also low in the North, unlike the South.

6. Population explosion in North; families in the North are larger than families in the South. You can see the average family in the North having 10 individuals while those in the South averages 6. If a family of 10 earns 5000 naira a day and a family of 6 earns 5000, those with 6 individuals will automatically have a higher standard of living.

7. Other economic enablers are low in the North
; there are hundreds of thousands of people in the South engaged in music, movie, football, freelancing, forex trading, crypto etc. These people will also help in boosting local economy in the South unlike the North.

On a side note, my heart goes out to the 10 million almajiris that were already eating from the dustbin even when Nigeria was still 'good'. It might not be long before kwashiokor and marasmus will hit the North. The main advantage they have is agriculture, yet they can't even practice it freely anymore because of insecurity. Already, there are signs that their governors are already going crazy with the situation of things. The Niger state governor was reported as saying that they will cut off Kainji dam power supply if they're not allowed to enjoy oil derivation like those in the Niger Delta. Only frustration can make a supposedly educated person make such ridiculous statement.

I ask again, how the hell are Northerners surviving tinubulation?!

1. Since when have IPOB cannibals cared about the well being of northerners?

2. Is it not the same IPOB cannibals that have always hated the north?

3. Your lame attempt to cause a rift between SW and Northerners have failed woefully.

4. Your fear is the Muslim-Muslim ticket that has come to stay.

5. The Muslim-Muslim ticket is a 100% winning ticket and you know it.

6. The Muslim-Muslim ticket has come to stay and IPOB cannibals may wail and gnash their teeth all day and night as it would not change a thing.

7. No SE person will ever smell the presidency as they are not fit to hold such an exalted position.
Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by Macdeey: 7:21pm On Nov 08, 2023
MS247:

cool


North are productive people living off agriculture, mining, trading

Unlike

People living off drug dealings


.
..... Laugh ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ wan kieee me for hear ๐Ÿ™‰
Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by PARADIZEPRIEST: 7:42pm On Nov 08, 2023
Blame ya buha PTinubu just came yesterday,in case you forgottenangry
Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by oyatz(m): 7:47pm On Nov 08, 2023
If you have lived in the North and study the environment well, you will understand that millions of Northerners engage in Agriculture producing tonnes of Onions, Tomatoes, Pepper, Beans, Rice, Millets, Corns, Ginger, Cotton, Groundnuts and they also rear Animals like Cattles, Goats, Sheep's, Camels, Donkeys etc.

All these aren't directly affected by exchange rates or fuel pump and they hold the aces , because they will simply increase their selling prices if things are expensive.

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Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by Vinnie2000(m): 7:50pm On Nov 08, 2023
OP, you are Right.๐Ÿคจ๐Ÿ™‚

All the Aboki in my hood In Warri, the Keke Riders, Suya Sellers, Iron Damage Guys, Shoemakers Etc
No Longer Travel for Holidays to the North as they used to do in 2014-2015.๐Ÿคจ๐Ÿ˜•๐Ÿ˜•

For the APC zom.bies Spilling TRASH on this Thread,
Bleep you all! angry sad

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Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by Ttalk: 7:57pm On Nov 08, 2023
OP you are not different from Peter Obi that was quoting statistic during campaign and referring to the North as being poor.

Why do you guys lack decorum, what is wrong with you guys that you always look down on people, people that are better than you lot for that matter.

I just pity the rational ones among you because you are attracting hate to your entire ethnic

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Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by proeast(m): 8:37pm On Nov 08, 2023
totit:



So, what's the source of IGR?
Also, remember to add PAYE and its contribution and impact on a country or state economy.

In most states aside Lagos region and Rivers state, IGR is mostly gotten from civil servants tax deductions at source. Also, states with higher federal government allocation tend to have higher IGR because such states are able to employ more civil servants which leads to more tax deductions. This also applies to states that have more federal government establishments which leads to more tax than those without.

Aside the above factors, states prioritize tax collection differently. A particular governor may pursue taxation aggressively, including taxing pepper and pure water sellers while another governor might decide to ignore.

GDP is a reliable way to guage productivity/output, not IGR.

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Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by Ttalk: 8:58pm On Nov 08, 2023
proeast:
You're a complete mumu man!


You are raised to hate, insult and look down on people better than you while you beat cheat, flaunt you ego in nzogbuos manner with no single iota of wisdom

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Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by Possessedkid: 2:25am On Nov 09, 2023
They help one another


They consider their brothers from not raising house rents to giving lifts and rides

A northern will literally give a northern stranger his meal and choose to stay hungry


Can south eastern or western do that ??


No

Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by totit: 11:54pm On Nov 09, 2023
proeast:


In most states aside Lagos region and Rivers state, IGR is mostly gotten from civil servants tax deductions at source. Also, states with higher federal government allocation tend to have higher IGR because such states are able to employ more civil servants which leads to more tax deductions. This also applies to states that have more federal government establishments which leads to more tax than those without.

Aside the above factors, states prioritize tax collection differently. A particular governor may pursue taxation aggressively, including taxing pepper and pure water sellers while another governor might decide to ignore.

GDP is a reliable way to guage productivity/output, not IGR.

Oga, IGR signifies economic activities whilst GDP is about production. You can have the product and not have the market.

BTW, I wondered why it hasn't occurred to you that about 25% of Nigeria's GDP is courtesy, Agri export which most N'ners are known for.

Pulling people down, they are doing well.

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Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by favor914: 12:03am On Nov 10, 2023
proeast:
4. North has very few industries and production centers; unlike South, North has very few industries that are still operating. Aside Kano, the rest of Northern Nigeria is almost dead, in terms of industries. Even Kano is no longer what it used to be. But in Lagos, Ogun, Anambra, Abia, Rivers, Oyo etc. Southern states still have significant industries thereby reducing unemployment and boosting the local economy.

5. Commerce and services are low in the North;
commercial activities helps to boost local economy and put money in circulation. Aside Kano, commercial activities and accompanying services is also low in the North, unlike the South.

6. Population explosion in North; families in the North are larger than families in the South. You can see the average family in the North having 10 individuals while those in the South averages 6. If a family of 10 earns 5000 naira a day and a family of 6 earns 5000, those with 6 individuals will automatically have a higher standard of living.

7. Other economic enablers are low in the North
; there are hundreds of thousands of people in the South engaged in music, movie, football, freelancing, forex trading, crypto etc. These people will also help in boosting local economy in the South unlike the North.

On a side note, my heart goes out to the 10 million almajiris that were already eating from the dustbin even when Nigeria was still 'good'. It might not be long before kwashiokor and marasmus will hit the North. The main advantage they have is agriculture, yet they can't even practice it freely anymore because of insecurity. Already, there are signs that their governors are already going crazy with the situation of things. The Niger state governor was reported as saying that they will cut off Kainji dam power supply if they're not allowed to enjoy oil derivation like those in the Niger Delta. Only frustration can make a supposedly educated person make such ridiculous statement.

I ask again, how the hell are Northerners surviving tinubulation?!
Only a Hypocrite cries more than the bereaved.

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Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by favor914: 12:04am On Nov 10, 2023
totit:


Oga, IGR signifies economic activities whilst GDP is about production. You can have the product and not have the market.

BTW, I wondered why it hasn't occurred to you that about 25% of Nigeria's GDP is courtesy, Agri export which most N'ners are known for.

Pulling people down, they are doing well.
You dey mind that Proeast Wailer Hypocrite?

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Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by UnfairLife7(m): 8:20pm On Nov 10, 2023
DomPerignon:

Unlike your barren yeast, they can feed themselves and spare some for you to eat.

I believe this government is affecting mostly importers and petty traders as cost of imported goods due to dollar pricing and inflation has made this route very unproductive.

Most Nigerians are now spending their money on the bare essentials like food.


Since your yeast has next to zero food production and your import based businesses are taking a direct hit, you assume the north is suffering ?

Guess what, northern farmers are now storing more of what they grow and their middlemen are now into hoarding or diversion of foodstuff to neighbouring countries were they earn in hard FX .


You should be more concerned about your eastern economy that is based purely on non productive importation model.
Lol

You dey compare East to Aboki and almajiris? Even my 7 years old brother know that poverty, out of school children, illiteracy, insecurity etc are more dominant in the northern region.

Keep typing rubbish for the ignorance ones that doesn't know wotsup

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Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by Billionairly: 9:20pm On Nov 10, 2023
Interesting question from the OP, however the way you asked the question has a tone and might be seen as attempt to slight the northerners so we may not get a proper genuine response from people living in the north. Maybe you should rephrase your input.

But I truly want to know how everyday people are faring in the north these days, the most complains we see in the news now are from the people in the south and parts of the Middle belt.

Someone already stated a fact which is food stuff is cheaper in the north, and people are not overpricing accomodation against the dollar increase like you get in the south, but what about the cost of transportation and the fact that people are probably buying less foodstuffs?
Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by proeast(m): 3:57pm On Feb 01
I heard that Niger rep, Burkina Faso and Mali severing ties with ECOWAS will have far reaching implications.

However, the most stunning outcome is the fact that Benin republic abandoned ECOWAS resolutions to strengthen ties with Niger rep and the other Sahel countries. What this means is that while Tinubu shut our borders with Niger, Benin republic smartly opened theirs to them!

Niger rep may be a poor country, but the country now has crude oil, uranium and lignite they're currently exporting in huge volumes. Similarly, they're also importing massively. However, all these trade volumes are now COMPLETELY done via Benin republic!!!
Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by proeast(m): 4:03pm On Feb 01
Niger republic almost completely bestride Nigeria's northern borders except a small fraction with Chad. Unfortunately, Chad is not an ECOWAS country and neither will Boko Haram and other insurgencies going on in that axis allow significant trade. In other words, the Sahel trade that is crucial for Kano's economy in particular and Northern Nigeria in general, has effectively ended!

This trade has been a key factor in sustaining the economy of Kano/North for many centuries. Today, it has ended. No thanks to Tinubu's poor diplomacy, or was it on purpose to completely bring Northern Nigeria to its knees?
Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by proeast(m): 4:05pm On Feb 01
Aside the catastrophic economic consequences on the economy of Kano and by extension, Northern Nigeria, the socio-cultural relationship will also be hampered severely.
Re: Tinubulation: How The Hell Are Northerners Surviving? by proeast(m): 4:08pm On Feb 01
When this post was first made, things hasn't become so clear as it is now. But people with foresight will always predict outcomes successfully.

With recent relocation of strategic federal establishments like CBN and FAAN to Lagos, while insurgents now make incursions into Abuja on a daily basis, the agenda becomes very vivid!

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