tollyboy5:
Christistruth00

For the case of oba of benin.
I see unnecessary rant by many people.
Oba of benin was not a native isale eko. They were settlers there already, what they did was founding the city and its civilization.
Why are some historians angry and want to distort fact when descendant of the Benin settlers are still in Lagos with their verifiable history.

There are still Moba People in Lagos as we Speak lots of them

For the Moba Ijebu History it was over 1000 years ago , long before Oyo or Ilaje even existed but some Moba People still Migrated to Ijebu and Built the 160Km Eredo Wall

Oya
Which Eredo Clan do you belong to?
As for the Oba Of Benin he met the Awori in Lagos
Olofin had already even already finished sharing Lagos among his Son's before Benin Turned up that was why they were managing to stay at Isale Eko on Lagos Island which already belonged to Aromire son of Olofin Ogunfunminire. and till this day his family are still the Land owners of Most of Lagos Island


Also If Ooni of Ife turns up in benin and Claims the Throne and Kingdom of benin itself he too is also right


Ok, Let us look at the praise names of oba of benin

One of it is
Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).
(Odua of Ife is the same as oduduwa of Ife)

Another of oba of benin's praise names is

Ovbi' Adimila
The son of Adimila
oduduwa was also known as Olofin Adimula
Which was his Title

Notice there is no mention at all of any Ekhalerderhan of Igodomigodo or izoduwa that got lost

They did not mention the Ekhalerderhan and izoduwa too is not happening anywhere in oba of benin's praise names but they called Oduduwa the great Odua of Ife his Father

So with their own mouths they themselves have already given the evidence that fully demolished and destroyed their case which had no legs to stand on in the first place and have confirmed with your own Mouth that the oba of benin was indeed oduduwa's Son
There is nothing left to drag because it is settled


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Proof that Lagos was a part of Benin kingdom in the pre-colonial era. I quote a precolonial text in which the authors clearly say it.

Here is the translation:

"Captain Horsley called it Eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs. Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow peace of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

Also:

As can be seen in the third caption, "ouyo" doesn't mean "oyo". Ouyo refers to a bunch of pirates whom were also called Jos and Usa. The ouyo pirates are most likely ijo people ! Gbam !


https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k62093119/f11.image.r=Yebou


Areafada, Gregyboy, Davidnazee, Samuk.

History is not about feelings, it is about research, eye-witnesses written documents !

Precolonial maps of Lagos have Benin written all over them:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom
This more than settles it. Lagos was a part of Benin.

Map of Africa published in 1747:
https://uniquemaps.eu/fr/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia?adg_id=&cmp_id=20819953600&device=m&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA35urBhDCARIsAOU7QwmvgdmsZy_2hSDgUpPf6U_xC6omUkZc9D2yAWVEpqYXJ5glrQm6SXUaAjA7EALw_wcB&kwd=&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&variant=43501503906022

As I keep presenting eye-witness written documents to back the fact that Lagos is just an other part of Benin, I would like everybody to notice that the Yoruba bring absolutely no evidence, all they do is throw insults and recount an unsubstantiated story.

Map of west Africa published between 1600 and 1699:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714/f1.item.zoom

FiraO9:
Coneheads(Yorubas) will create different threads, bark, wail, cry, and groan bitterly on SM and none of it will take a bit of an effect in reality.

I don't just know who cursed miscreants from the tribe of a fallen demon that majority of them now behave like clowns.

Set awon brainless things.

Hey, anumaanu! Give us a brief history of your people. Especially where they came from. I will if you can't though.

An other map published between 1600 and 1699:
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595582x.r=Royaume%20du%20Benin?rk=150215;2

Spandau:


Hey, anumaanu! Give us a brief history of your people. Especially where they came from. I will if you can't though.

"Brief history", you mean fairytales ?
History has nothing to do with what you guys keep discussing.
History is what I am showing you:
You look for eyewitness written documents and you consult them, that is how you deal with history.

You are supposed to bring evidence, not "brief history" !

Christistruth00:


Obatala was the King Oduduwa fought and replaced in Ile Ife can you already see Oba in his name
The Obatala king that Oduduwa fought was believed to be number 93 on the Throne

Obatala is not the same as Oba.
Obatala is more of a mythical figure deity.
This subject of Oba has already been covered on Nairaland
https://www.nairaland.com/2922205/how-word-oba-came-into#42753304
Do well to enlighten urself

Krismas:
Obatala is not the same as Oba.
Obatala is more of a mythical figure deity.
This subject of Oba has already been covered on Nairaland
https://www.nairaland.com/2922205/how-word-oba-came-into#42753304
Do well to enlighten urself

If we keep getting down to the level of yoruba then this cycle will never end.
For 10 years now, I have been trying to educate people on nairaland about the meaning of history and how it is researched. But logic always fails to stay long in the brains of most Nigerians:
1. Oduduwa, oranmiyan, obatala...all those are science fiction novel creatures, they have nothing to do with actual history, they are fairytales.
2. History is the study of eye-witnesses written documents!
3. The Yoruba keep talking about fairytales while discussing history because the Yoruba either don't know their history or they are too ashamed to say that their ancestors were slaves !
4. Now why would I, an Edo, be talking fairytales while I could very easily bring up eyewitness written documents to show Benin history and prove Benin claims?

5. It is very hard to educate Nigerians. yoruba so called history professors are talking fairytales and nobody is countering them by remarking they are talking fairytales and nobody is presenting eye-witness written documents ! Instead people want to join in and discuss fairytales as well?

Stoplying:
Proof that Lagos was a part of Benin kingdom in the pre-colonial era. I quote a precolonial text in which the authors clearly say it.

Did you notice that it said the Ijebu had taken over the Lagos Metropolis and it also said it was the Ijebu that called Lagos Eko and not Benin who called it Korame

Not that alone but Benin were not the only ones on Lagos Island


Now read this
Document from Sir alfred moloney
British Colonial Governor of Lagos
Confirming Lagos is Yorubaland in 1890

Krismas:
Obatala is not the same as Oba.
Obatala is more of a mythical figure deity.
This subject of Oba has already been covered on Nairaland
https://www.nairaland.com/2922205/how-word-oba-came-into#42753304
Do well to enlighten urself

All the Obas of the Yoruba Ifon Towns are of the Obatala dynasty of kings
They are real people with real Thrones

Christistruth00:


Did you notice that it said the Ijebu had taken over the Lagos Metropolis and it also said it was the Ijebu that called Lagos Eko and not Benin who called it Korame

You've started again !
The text says no such thing. We've already had this discussion. It seems you still don't understand that the author didn't witness the naming of the geographical zone! He was writing down the names by which the people were referring to the geographical area.
You don't speak French and you lack logic, and you are a liar. I have already explained all this in your presence, but you keep pretending and making bogus claims.

Christistruth00:


Did you notice that it said the Ijebu had taken over the Lagos Metropolis and it also said it was the Ijebu that called Lagos Eko and not Benin who called it Korame


Now read this
Document from Sir alfred moloney
British Colonial Governor of Lagos
Confirming Lagos is Yorubaland in 1890

1. You didn't provide a link to the document which you claim to quote.
2. Instead you provided only a snapshot, which makes it possible that the document might be fake !
3. Be more specific on what you want to quote in the "document".
4. Each document I provided is older by at least 100 or 200 years than your maybe fake document.
5. Even if your document were not fake, it remains irrelevant, indeed the documents which I provided are older and eyewitness written!

Christistruth00:



All the Obas of the Yoruba Ifon Towns are of the Obatala dynasty of kings
They are real people with real Thrones

Here you go again confusing obatala fairytales with history, yet you think you are credible in discussions about history ?

Stoplying:

You've started again !
The text says no such thing. We've already had this discussion. It seems you still don't understand that the author didn't witness the naming of the geographical zone! He was writing down the names by which the people were referring to the geographical area.
You don't speak French and you lack logic, and you are a liar. I have already explained all this in your presence, but you keep pretending and making bogus claims.

,"Long ago Korame was linked to its metropolis by a very narrow piece of land contained between the great Laguna and the sea; but it has been a while since the Yebous have seazed that very narrow peace of land of which the eastern extremity was invaded by ouyo pirates; and Karamé remained isolated at the extremity of the great Laguna, while it continues to receive from Benin it's governor or political chief."

Go and ask the Ijebu Remo if they didn't defeat Benin in Lagos

The Text clearly states that the Yebous had seized the Narrow piece of Land linking Eko to the Metropolis between the great lagoon and the Sea, that is Lekki Area
Lekki is Ijebuland

Ok look at the Map of Lagos State today everything East and North of Lekki including Ikorodu is Ijebuland

Ijebuland is practically half of Lagos State Land Mass

Stoplying:

"Brief history", you mean fairytales ?
History has nothing to do with what you guys keep discussing.
History is what I am showing you:
You look for eyewitness written documents and you consult them, that is how you deal with history.

You are supposed to bring evidence, not "brief history" !

Ehn, give us your history as it was written naah

Christistruth00:



Go and ask the Ijebu Remo if they didn't drive Benin out of Lagos

The Text clearly states that the Yebous had seized the Narrow piece of Land linking Eko to the Metropolis

1. So history to you is about asking people of today to tell you what happened several hundred years before their grand father was born ?
2. You are moving the goal post. Just a reminder: it is my translation which claims the jebu had seazed a narrow piece of land linking Lagos to the metropolis. And since you still lack braincells, let me tell you whom the jebus seazed that narrow peace of land from: the ijo pirates whom had invaded that narrow peace of land.
The text also claims that the jebu were Benin vassals !

Spandau:


Ehn, give us your history as it was written naah

Written by whom and when, why can't you understand what I told you ?
History is not about telling a story !
It is about studying eyewitness written documents!

Airlord2030:
The oba of benin is a stupid animal.

Thunder fire the skirt wearing lunatic in that his benin village

he should face his tribemen that are dying in the medittarenean sea just to go and do ashawo and cultism.

Exactly, Yorubas don't wear skirts. Bini people used to be under Yorubas until Portuguese set feet on West Africa's soils. Bini laganguage is a mixture of Yoruba, Portuguese and their local dialects. They worship Olokun, Shango, Ogun, Ogoni till this moment and all copied from Yorubas.

akigbemaru:


Exactly, Yorubas don't wear skirts. Bini people used to be under Yorubas until Portuguese set feet on West Africa's soils.

Show me a precolonial map which shows what you claim.
Below is a map of Africa published in 1747.


Now this is complete nonesense

akigbemaru:

Bini laganguage is a mixture of Yoruba, Portuguese and their local dialects. They worship Olokun, Shango, Ogun, Ogoni till this moment and all copied from Yorubas.

Stoplying:

1. So history to you is about asking people of today to tell you what happened several hundred years before their grand father was born ?
2. You are moving the goal post. Just a reminder: it is my translation which claims the jebu had seazed a narrow piece of land linking Lagos to the metropolis. And since you still lack braincells, let me tell you whom the jebus seazed that narrow peace of land from: the ijo pirates whom had invaded that narrow peace of land.
The text also claims that the jebu were Benin vassals !

Don't digress Lekki is Ijebuland
Vassals don't seize Territories of their rulers

Did you notice it said the Benin were now isolated at the extremity of the Island and continued to Receive their Gov From Benin
It didn't say the Governor from Benin was ruling over the Ijebus

Oya look at the Map
The Area between the lagoon and the Sea is Lekki now in Ijebuland

Shattuck:
neither the aworis nor the binis can lay claim to the entire Lagos, the aworis had their territory in Lagos the binis also had their territory, Lagos is a state just like osun, just like you have the Ooni of ife who governs the ife territory of osun state, there are also other traditional rulers in the same osun, you can't come today and claim the ancestors of the Ooni founded osun state they only founded ife, same can be said about Lagos and how you guys always try to make it look like the aworis controlled the entire Lagos, the binis also had their territory, which means the oba isn't wrong.

Has Oba Akiolu ever gone to Edo state for Anything pertaining to Lagos or Bini...
Oba Oyekan never did
Oba Adele as well
That royal stool is rotation......
Did you see him paying respect to Oba of Bini Or Visiting him or any Lagos king ...But the Governor has to welcome him because he's a First class king........
But if Ooni comes to Lagos All the Obas in Lagos would welcome him including Oba Akiolu and pay him to respect... Same Ondo, Ekiti,Oyo Ogun....Even Kogi and Kwara except Ilorin......
The Alaafin and Ooni might be having issues but yet they respect each other

ican2020:
Why is it that most Yorubas cannot look at issues objectively

How I wish they can divide this country so that we can live without this tribe that will see white and go ahead to insist that is black

You are being objective but you believe Bini ancestors jumped Ore, Ijebu ode, Shagamu etc to go and be the founder of Lagos.

GUNITGuy:

Has Oba Akiolu ever gone to Edo state for Anything pertaining to Lagos or Bini...
Oba Oyekan never did
Oba Adele as well
That royal stool is rotation......
Did you see him paying respect to Oba of Bini Or Visiting him or any Lagos king ...But the Governor has to welcome him because he's a First class king........
But if Ooni comes to Lagos All the Obas in Lagos would welcome him including Oba Akiolu and pay him to respect... Same Ondo, Ekiti,Oyo Ogun....Even Kogi and Kwara except Ilorin......
The Alaafin and Ooni might be having issues but yet they respect each other

1. Oba of Lagos rebuffs Oni of Ife:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS4ijYragbw?si=R0UGpleS1Og9FdQ-
2. Oba of Lagos visits his "father", the Oba of Benin:
https://twitter.com/africafactszone/status/1468227240785817603?lang=zh-Hant

VEHINTOLAR:


You be mumu ! The point is; Oduduwa came from a foreign land to Ile Ife but he neither spoke nor understood Bini language ! If he was a Bini man as you want the whole world to believe,there would have been some deeply rooted Bini words and language in Yoruba language today but none exists ! It is even otherway round;you Binis are the ones using some of our words in your day to day activities today !

Ponder over it !

Just look at their names Adesuwa, Omoruyi, Omoh, oyegun, Obaseki, and many more names evidences showing strong Yoruba influences....
They're still surrounded by Yoruba speaking people in Edo State... They are other Obas in Edo state also....
They also dress like Yorubas..
But I have never heard Yorubas bare Osadembwame, Ikponwosa, Osezua, Etinosa, Osarobo,

Stoplying:

1. Oba of Lagos rebuffs Oni of Ife:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS4ijYragbw?si=R0UGpleS1Og9FdQ-
2.

Show me a video of the Oba of Bini and Any Lagos Oba

IbileIfe:
Oduduwa came from the Benin Kingdom.
So, if the Father of the Yorubas came from Benin, that means Benin Kingdom owns not only Lagos, but the entire Yoruba land.

Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man.

Edo people said so.