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Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by MT: 10:10am On Dec 11, 2023 |
I have read countless submissions from Nairaland and I am always shocked how westerners especially are perceived as very wealthy. This reflects in the way they are treated when they visit our continent. Most Nigerians are subservient to them, thinking that the whites are quite rich. The whites get the feedback and they look down on africans as the sons and daughters of their former slaves. You will see a Nigeria graduate having an illiterate white as friends, and still feel so privileged to have them as friends. Taking pictures and posting on social media showing the world that he now has white friends; the whites that ought to be under him in levels. This also informs the japa when majority feel that once they get visa, they are going into very "rich" land where their hopes will be realised. Like I have written countless times, it is all an "illusion". It is a culture of debt. Westerners hardly pay fully for anything. They owe their lives to the banks and they must repay by installment at the end of every month. Why don't africans realise that most whites save for years before they can embark on any trip anywhere? Lot of people outrightly own their houses in Nigeria, while the whites are paying mortgage at the end of each month. Tell me where is the real wealth? I am not talking about state of the country, I am addressing some people mindsets as Africans. Is it inferiority complex or lack of exposure that is troubling Nigerians or result of too much Hollywood movie? Can this perspective change with time? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by 1TrippleCee: 10:14am On Dec 11, 2023 |
as the sons and daughters of their former "slaves". |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by Bmaster(m): 10:15am On Dec 11, 2023 |
it is caused by exchange rate.someone that controls thousands of dollars in u.s or European countries is quite richer than a naira millionaire over here 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by MT: 10:18am On Dec 11, 2023 |
Bmaster: How many whites control thousands of dollars ?. Majority actually live from paycheck to paycheck. If salary is not paid in a month, they will go wild and attack the government infrastructure. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by YouandiAllofus: 10:41am On Dec 11, 2023 |
If only every civil servant and traders have access to these types of loan facilities by the government (and not cooperatives) that allows one to buy a house and make payments on installments, the middle and lower class would be in a better place. Much of the homelessness in the country would have been solved 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by MT: 11:45am On Dec 11, 2023 |
YouandiAllofus: Yes I agree with you but africans lack robust system to manage it. They owe it to the bank via credit card and mortgages, and NOT to the government. Western worlds have developed a robust process, driven by cutting edge technologies to manage their debt portfolio. Credit rating agency will show lenders if you are credit worthy, by so doing, you always wish to pay your debt. The whites are no way as rich as people assume. It is the system that makes them to APPEAR rich. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by YouandiAllofus: 2:57pm On Dec 11, 2023 |
MT:Who will put this "robust system driven by cutting edge technologies" in place, Isn't it the government? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by MT: 3:21pm On Dec 11, 2023 |
YouandiAllofus:Government need to drive regulations and policies, an independent body needs to handle the ratings. |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by ChybuzzDD(m): 5:30am On Dec 12, 2023 |
MT: The worst of it all is Nigerians describing the Asians as ''whites'' and worshiping them. The level of the inferiority complex is so pitiable and shameful. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by YouandiAllofus: 8:52am On Dec 12, 2023 |
MT: Then why isn't the government driving such regulations and policies so that independent bodies can handle ratings so as to improve the quality of dividend being delivered to the citizens? |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by Maria96: 9:46am On Dec 12, 2023 |
MT lives in USA and has refused to return home. Take him serious at your own peril. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by MT: 10:55am On Dec 12, 2023 |
YouandiAllofus: Our government usually refocus on the wrong things. I believe they do not proritise that and might be afraid that it is not our culture to buy on credit. They might feel citizens will find the loopholes to not pay back. Such a robust system takes time and deep thinking which average africans find annoying. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by MT: 10:56am On Dec 12, 2023 |
Maria96: If I reside in the moon, what relevance does that have with the subject matter. I accept that common sense might not be common afterall. |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by YouandiAllofus: 11:34am On Dec 12, 2023 |
MT:No matter how educated the son of a poor man who is still poor like the father, they will always feel privileged having a wealthy dangote's son as friends! Because the stakes are greatly uneven! As the number one image maker of a country, if the government fail to provide standard facilities just like others have easily in their country, people would naturally lean towards where they feel they can get what they need including fancing friendship with the people of such regions. The government here is the culprit! |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by MT: 11:47am On Dec 12, 2023 |
YouandiAllofus: I am sorry but you are missing the point. Look at the subject matter, you are straying into another topic entirely. |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by YouandiAllofus: 1:23pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
MT:My guy, I am right on point. The westerners have a better standard as compared to Africans. Take a good look at our society today, it is entirely driven by Western innovations. Roads, cars, houses, clothes, water systems, electricity, technology etc... I mean everything! Aside copying the same west and traditional ways, what can Africans really do for themselves let alone offer the world? Even the system of government they introduced Africans to, the black man is simply failing hard in all ramifications. Basic management, they cannot. They loot everything to the west, buy properties and even citizenship of Western countries instead of developing their own country and improving the standard of living for their citizens. Nigerian politicians are classic examples. Just look at Burkina Faso, instead of tackling the huge poverty crises, the government is busy trying to eradicate french language asif french is the cause of poverty in that country. What I am trying to say in essence is, a better standard elevates the status of the citizens of such society. That's why people whose standard is largely below pair might want to associate and show off with the ones who has better standard. I don't think it is about skin type or being a Westerner as your post is trying to insinuate. China, India and their citizens were not any better than Nigeria and Nigerians few years ago. But today, they seems to be rewriting history, and the perception about the Chinese and Indians is gradually changing, so will the mentality of being fake, poor and wicked change overtime which will ultimately increase their worth in the eyes of the world and this will build confidence in their citizens if their country continue on the path of positive progress. 5 Likes |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by MT: 1:31pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
YouandiAllofus: Standard of a country is different from Indvidual's wealth. You are talking about their environment and country, I am talking about the citizens. Two different things. America is a wealthy nation but she has one of the highest homelessness in the world. Perception does not mean correctness. Perception is different from empirical facts. Read the subject matter again. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by IbeOkehie: 1:48pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
MT: Actually they're much richer than you think. I would advise you to check data on wealth in the USA. Not only that, Black Americans are richer than Nigerians anywhere. Nigerians EARN high WAGES or INCOME in the USA but OWN much less WEALTH. Wealth is built over GENERATIONS in a political systems that PROTECTS PROPERTY RIGHTS. For example your first wrote something about mortgages and how they don't own their homes. This quite wrong. I'll just make an offhand guesstimate that over 65% of White owned homes in the USA are mortgage free. Most Native born White Americans and many Blacks don't pay rent or mortgage...and even if they do it's a solid, guaranteed future wealth. This is NOT too hard to understand. I don't blame una sha, it took me a long time to realize a lot of this. Look, think of it like this...the average or middle class White American has the same kind of wealth you have as a Native tribal person in Nigeria. They have ancestral homes in their villages owned by their great grandfather and passed down over generations. My own home that I live in today was sold to me when the owner died and two sons inherited it. The owner bought it in 1970 and lived in it, adding and improving. Everything is recorded. Go and check cost of houses in 1970 and today and do the math. And there was ZERO money owed on the home. Is it just houses? A young lady I worked with told me how her parents paid for her university education. Walmart shares and dividends. Apparently her parents bought shares for her back in the 1980s or something. Back when I was in university one Oyibo friend took me to witness a tree clearing. Her father owned land passed down from previous generations of the family. They plant fast growing timber on it every year and harvest a portion every 3 years and sell to wood mills. Just like Igbo people in Lagos go home for Xmas to their village homes, Americans in Chicago, New York and Houston go on Summer Vacations to their beach houses and farms and mountain cabins. A large proportion of Americans live in rural areas on land they inherited. Those rural areas have most amenities you need for a good life like roads, police protection, good schools and such. And employment opportunities in factories and such. Here in North Carolina most factories are located in small towns. In Nigeria rural areas are dead zones. The American people are Natives just the same way you're a Native of your tribe and own wealth you didn't work for or pay for. THE DIFFERENCE is precisely what you've attempted to discount - socio-political organization. Your land in your ancestral village BY LAW doesn't even belong to you. The American people have organized their country in such a way they they LEGALLY OWN property. That secure ownership is what gives value. That is why MORTGAGE is more widespread in the USA than in Nigeria. Why do all these Nigerian elites own homes abroad? Did you read how the Federal Government forced Abubakar Atiku to give up his shares in Intels? That shows ALL property ownership in Nigeria is at risk. I actually am tired of these sort of discussions but the way wrong info is touted here to justify the NIGERIA IS BETTER THAN US/UK narrative is crazy. Good Luck to Nigerians. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by MT: 2:00pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: Why you are upending the discourse amazes me. I appreciate the fact you were civil in your submission to. I am not comparing country to country. That is the regular argument here. I am talking of PERCEPTION of whites has been so rich than the black. How many families in the US has generations passed to them. You need to look at ratio of the citizens living there. I will appreciate a data to back up your arguments. Do you know US has one of the highest homelessness in the world? How many of them have savings? What I am saying is their countries cant be compared to Nigeria , it is far better off but the citizens are not as rich as Africans perceive. This is the US poverty level as at September, 2023: https://time.com/6320076/american-poverty-levels-state-by-state/ |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by IbeOkehie: 2:37pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
I'm almost always civil and I replied to you because you're almost always the same. I do FACTS, FACTS, FACTS....nothing else. About USA poverty, I think it's set by government at around income of $22K per family per year, probably 10 to 15% of families. Likely 90% of those families eat well, have housing, own or have access to a car and good quality basic education and have TV and phone. By the way, I personally lived at that level. By USA standards that is poor, by Nigerian standards it's rich. I am not comparing country to country. That is the regular argument here. In this case perception is REALITY. I'll be back later. Good Luck to Nigerians 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by 1TrippleCee: 2:42pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: Boss, you are both right. In different ways though. He is talking about the PERCEPTION. Meaning many Nigerians do not care of the white dude is okay or not, they just look to the skin's colour and begin to worship even if they do better than the object of interest Sir. This is the point here sir. The impulsive perception that isnt backed by facts or reasoning |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by IbeOkehie: 3:31pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
1TrippleCee: Ohhh, I see. Well that perception is based on certain realities. Such as, a 25 year old beautiful Nigerian girl marrying a 50 year old fat, ugly White American man who earns $30K per year is LIKELY end up living a better life than most of her peers. Good Luck to Nigeria |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by IbeOkehie: 4:03pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
Well we know Otedola is richer than this White Man ever was: https://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/29/janitor-secretly-amassed-an-8-million-fortune.html You don’t need to earn a massive paycheck to become a millionaire. So I've compared a Black Nigerian and White American....individuals, not the country. And the Nigerian is richer. Next time you meet a White Man, know he's worthless. Right? Good. Case closed. Good Luck to Nigeria. |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by Gerrard59(m): 7:17pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: Just to add: Here is a more detailed explanation about the concept of savings between whites/African Americans in developed countries and Nigerians: Kenn55: That aspect of property rights is something we have not fully considered is key to building wealth. There is a lot of dead capital in Nigeria due to the archaic Law Use Act. PwC Nigeria did a study about it. That law has to be changed so that people can actually own wealth and pass it down to generations. Also, there are other avenues for building wealth in developed countries, such as the stock market. We would be told there is the Nigerian Stock Exchange, but how many Nigerians have built wealth over the years through it? How many Nigerian companies do an IPO regularly on the market? It should be a great way for companies to raise capital to expand their businesses, but it is not widespread. Businesses complain of capital to expand their operations, but few are listing online. Why? The concept of the whites being poorer than Nigerians does not hold water when the former can build wealth in a place where the rule of law works. It seems people underestimate the effect of rule of law in building wealthy societies. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by Gerrard59(m): 7:24pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
ChybuzzDD: The "Asians" here have to be specific. If it is East Asians, they are wealthier and have developed and functioning societies than anywhere in Africa. If it is South Asians or some parts of South East Asians, then I can understand your pains. However, by looking at the economic growth rates of certain South East Asian countries, if they maintain those growth rates and do not experience devastating conflicts, I see them becoming solidly middle-class by the middle of the century. The fact their biggest trade partner is China (not just commodities, but finished goods) means they have hooge prospects of becoming prosperous. When that happens, it will remain parts of South Asia, parts of the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa that would be poor. Considering we are more populated than those regions, we would, as sub-Saharan Africans, be the poorest of all inhabitants worldwide. That would be morally demoralising. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by IbeOkehie: 10:28pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
Gerrard59: Thanks for adding your 2 cents here, you're another great and crisp thinker on this forum. Thanks especially for bringing in that comment on INSURANCE. A lot of Black Americans and others too become solid and stable (upper) middle class by means of death insurance benefits. There's a Nigerian man I know very well, that was how he got fairly wealthy. His father died with a $500K insurance policy on top of fully paid off house and sundry other things. This is someone I went to school with, working an ordinary middle class job just like me. The rule of law isn't incidental to INDIVIDUAL wealth, it's INDISPENSABLE. So when Oga @MT tried to SEPARATE the system from individual wealth, I was just shaking my head. Anyone who has invested in property in Black Africa and the Anglo-West should know the differences. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Nigeria will remain an UNDEVELOPED or developing nation until the Land Use Act, Petroleum Industry Act & Solid Minerals Act are revoked in favor of private property rights and the naira is floated. This is a rock solid certainty, as sure an the sun rises and sets each day. And for anyone who can't understand, please go look up the ECONOMIC definition of development. Good Luck to Nigeria. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by Gerrard59(m): 10:38pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: It reminds me of this comment I made a while ago. Gerrard59: The notion that Africans are wealthier than Europeans or East Asians or North Americans is amusing. There are certain industries or companies that would invest heavily if such a notion is accurate. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by pansophist(m): 11:38pm On Dec 12, 2023 |
They are wealthier than us guy. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by JohnQueen(m): 4:08am On Dec 13, 2023 |
You nor go 'worship Asians' ke? Please mention the top 5 vehicle brands and consumer electronics(Smartphones inclusive) and you have your answer ChybuzzDD: |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by IbeOkehie: 1:15pm On Dec 14, 2023 |
MT: That illiterate White Man working as a cook or bus driver likely has parents or grandparents who're part of the trend below - https://rbj.net/2023/10/30/get-ready-for-the-great-wealth-transfer-as-boomers-begin-to-shift-funds-to-heirs/#:~:text=Between Between 2023 and 2045, $84 trillion in assets will be handed down from baby boomers to their heirs or charities according to market research firm Cerulli and Associates. 40% of US homes are mortgage free and you know most of them are owned by White People - https://www.forbes.com/sites/brendarichardson/2019/07/26/nearly-40-of-homes-in-the-us-are-free-and-clear-of-a-mortgage/?sh=61dbbe3f47c2 I'm sure a good portion of mortgages at any point in history are owed by 1st generation Americans. Now we know there was a Great Return to Nigeria by Nigerian students during the oil boom of the 1970's. Between those that returned to Nigeria and those who stayed in the USA, who has accumulated more wealth over the past 50 years? Which has higher living standards? Between the next generation that comes after them, which cohort will likely be wealthier? Then let's talk about White Americans who've been inheriting wealth over 3 to 10 generations. This whole schtick about Nigerians being rich is getting out of hand. Please my people, do some research. It's not that hard. In fact White People have a culture of modesty, so they don't tend to show off their wealth. While Nigerians get $10K and start shouting to high heavens. Most Nigerian residents that many think are wealthy are NOT wealthy, while many White People in the US/UK you think are poor are actually quite wealthy. Good Luck to Nigerians. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by OyinboSweden: 8:16pm On Dec 15, 2023 |
That while thing about people treating me like I shit gold is one of the reasons I don't look forward to visiting my wife's homeland. I ain't rich but so many people are asking my wife for brand clothes and electronics and accusing her of wanting to chop all that white man money herself. The "richness" stems from being blessed to be born into a society where education and hospital visits are paid through taxes, without that I'd be living hand to mouth myself. With its resources and savvy people Nigeria could be as rich as any western country with the right leadership |
Re: Why Do Nigerians Think The Whites Are Richer compared to them? by 1TrippleCee: 9:19pm On Dec 15, 2023 |
OyinboSweden: Please don't come. So they don't ruin your home and marriage 1 Like |
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