Methods Muslim use to attack Christianity

Matt slick



When dealing with Muslims it is wise to understand some of the approaches used by them to discredit Christianity. Much could be written on each of the following subjects with numerous examples. But, instead, I will simply expound on the areas common among Muslim approaches and point out what to watch for.



[/b]No. 1 Attack the validity of the Bible



This is expected. If the Muslim can undermine the strength and integrity of God's word, then it would be much easier for him to win arguments, confound the Christian, and make converts of those who don't know the truth and power of the Bible. This is what the devil did in the Garden of Eden. Satan said, "You truly will not die," (Gen. 3:4). I am not calling Muslims satanic. I am simply pointing out that that is how deception begins, by bringing doubt upon God's word, and that this is exactly what Muslims do. They try and get people to doubt the Bible and then tell you how great Islam is. Various methods are used here to accomplish this:
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Stating that the Bible has numerous contradictions

Of course, I cannot go through all the alleged Bible contradictions here (See the Bible Difficulties section for more explanation). But my observation has been that the majority of "biblical contradictions" raised by Muslims are nothing more than examples of their lack of understanding of biblical theology and context. Always read the context of verses. Don't let a Muslim simply state that there are contradictions and leave it at that. Ask him to give you one. If you cannot answer it, do research and get back to him. Sure, there are some tough areas of Scripture, but there are no contradictions in God's Word.1

Criticizing the lack of original manuscripts

The point here is that because we do not have the original manuscripts of the Bible, we cannot really know what the originals said and, therefore, the Bible could have been corrupted. They then compare the Bible to the Koran and state that the Koran is the guaranteed, preserved, direct word of Allah given by the angel Gabriel to Muhammad. Of course, what they fail to mention is:

The Bible documents are well attested as being reliable and accurate. In fact, we have around 24,000 ancient manuscripts of the New Testament. So much so, that no major area of Christian doctrine is affected by possible variations among manuscripts (click here for more details).2

Regarding the Koran, Muhammad couldn't read or write, so he recited the Koran to people who then wrote it down. There is no evidence at all that the Koran was written down in its entirety in Muhammad's lifetime and compiled as a unit. So how could he have verified its truth?

Shortly after Muhammad's death, the Muslim Uthman ordered all sets of the Koran manuscripts to be destroyed except the codex of Zaid. Why? Is it because Zaid's copy was better? If so, how do we know? Did differences in the copies arise so quickly that discrepancies were evident and Uthman recognized the need for a standardized copy lest Islam suffer division? It raises doubt on the Koran's supposed incorruptibility.

Muslims claim that Allah said the Koran would be preserved. But, the mere claim is not enough. It is using the Koran to substantiate the Koran which is circular reasoning.

Claiming that the Bible is false because it contradicts the Koran (Qur'an).

This is simply begging the question. That means that one assumes the validity of the thing that he is trying to prove. The Muslim assumes the validity of the Qur'an and because it contradicts the Bible, the Bible is wrong. Well, the Christian can just as easily state that the Koran is wrong because it contradicts the Bible. But the Muslims would not accept that. Therefore, why should we accept their argument?



No. 2 Attempt to set Paul against Jesus



Muslims often make the claim that Paul never met Jesus and was not a disciple or apostle of Jesus. Of course, this is not true. Paul encountered Jesus on the road to Damascus in Acts 9, after Jesus' resurrection. Jesus spoke to him and commissioned him. So, Paul met Jesus. Furthermore, Paul visited the Jerusalem apostles Peter, James, and John who affirmed Paul's mission and message (See Gal. 2:9. Also, see the context of Galatians 1:18 - 2:10.) Peter, who was a disciple of Jesus, personally authenticated Paul's writings by calling them scripture in 2 Pet. 3:15-16. If they are inspired, then they cannot contradict Jesus' words.

In addition, many Muslims claim that Jesus never claimed to be God and that Paul is the one who wrote that Jesus was God. First of all, if they admit that Paul wrote that Jesus was God, then remind them of 2 Pet. 3:15-16 where Peter calls Paul's writings Scripture and affirms Paul's message in Gal. 2:9. Nevertheless, they sometimes assert that Paul hijacked Christianity and took it over and made Jesus into something He was not. This claim is false.

Perhaps the primary area where Muslims think Paul and Jesus contradict is in the area of who Jesus is. Paul states that Jesus is God in flesh: Col. 2:9 says, "For in Him the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form," (cf. Rom. 9:5). Muslims assert that no where in the Gospels did Jesus claim to be God. Therefore, they claim, Paul's words are not true and the Bible is not trustworthy.

This attack by Muslims is an attack based out of opinion. Jesus did claim to be God. In John 8:56-59, Jesus says, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." 57The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" 58Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." 59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple."3 Why did the Pharisees want to kill Jesus? They explain their reason in John 10:33 when they say, "For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God," (KJV). Whether or not the Muslim will accept this, let alone agree that this is correct, matters little because his presupposition will not allow him to accept, no matter what. Nevertheless, the text clearly states that the Pharisees understood that Jesus was claiming to be God. Also, consider John 5:18 where the Apostle John says, "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God," (KJV). In this verse Jesus healed on the Sabbath and the Pharisees thought He was breaking the Sabbath law. John the Apostle also states that when Jesus claimed that God was His Father, that it was "making himself equal with God." The Muslim will always find a way to argue out of these texts. But, two facts remain. First, Jesus claimed to be God. Second, the Pharisees denied that Jesus was God and the Muslims agree with them.

There are other areas that the Muslims will say are where Jesus and Paul do not agree, but when they bring it up, always ask for an example. Each time I've done this, I've discovered that the Muslim did not have a sufficient understanding of what the text is saying. Remember, always read the context.



No. 3 Misrepresentation of Christian doctrine



Sadly, this is a very common error of the Muslims. The single greatest instance of this is in the doctrine of the Trinity. Muslims so often attack a false understanding of the Trinity by stating that it is three gods. That is not the correct Christian definition of the Trinity doctrine. Christianity does not teach there are three gods. It never has and it never will. The doctrine of the Trinity is that there is only one God who exists in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Trinitarianism is monotheistic. If a Muslim continues to proclaim that the Trinity is three gods, then I simply stop discussing the issue with him because he is not willing to accept what the definition is and it isn't possible to have a meaningful dialogue.

Another Christian doctrine they fail to understand is the Hypostatic Union. This is the teaching that Jesus is one person with two natures. He is both God and man as is declared in Col. 2:9, "For in Him [Jesus] dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily." Because Jesus was also a man, we have verses such as John 14:28 where Jesus says "the Father is greater than I." Muslims will say that if Jesus is God, how could He be greater than Himself? Of course, they fail to understand the Trinity (three persons) and they fail to understand that Jesus, as a man (Phil. 2:5-, cooperated with the limitations of being a man and was in a lower position than the Father (Heb. 2:9) for a while (See: "The Ontological and Economic Trinity" for more explanation.).

Sometimes Muslims refuse to accept Christian explanations for things because it doesn't fit their agenda nor their preconceived ideas of what they think Christianity is. Oddly enough, Christians often contribute to this problem by offering inadequate and sometimes erring explanations of Christian doctrine. Thus, many Muslims are led into error regarding what Christianity really teaches. Christians need to know their doctrine, and Muslims need to understand the proper explanations for those doctrines.



No. 4 Misinterpreting various Scripture passages



A very good example of misrepresentation of biblical passages can be found in a dialogue I had with a Muslim regarding John 1:1, 14. These verses say, "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God." Verse 14 says "and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, " The Muslim I was speaking to reasoned thus:

If the word is God then we can insert the word "god" into the verse each time it says "word." Therefore, we would have it say 'In the beginning was the God and the God was with God and God was God.' As you can see, this makes no sense. Therefore, when you go to verse 14 where it says the word became flesh, it cannot mean that God became flesh, because John 1:1 makes no sense."

As you can see, this kind of logic is very bad. First of all, John 1:1 does not say what he said it does. It does not speak in contradictory terms the way he tried to make it sound. Instead, it uses both the word "word" and the word "god" in the sentence. I told him that he needed to go with what the text does say and not with what it does not say. In other words, he reconstructed it in such a way as to purposely not make sense and then he attacked that.

Another verse, or verses, that they misinterpret is when Jesus says that He is the Son of God. To the Muslim, this means that God literally had a wife and produced a literal son. Of course, this is not what is meant by the biblical account. Sonship is in relation to the Fatherhood of God in a spiritual and metaphoric sense. After all, Jesus says that God is spirit (John 4:24). Of course, God would not have a body of flesh and bones with which to procreate children. What the Muslims are guilty of doing is imposing Islamic understandings upon biblical texts and then complaining about the biblical texts in light of how they interpret them. This is not how one should go about "refuting the opposition." Rather, the Muslim should seek to understand the biblical/cultural context and deal with the issue from that perspective not a fabricated one as this example shows.



No. 5 Failing to differentiate between Protestant and Catholic doctrines



Sadly, Christianity is not in complete unity in all things --which is why we have denominations. I am dismayed at the fragmentation within Christianity and think it is a poor witness to the world. But, the fact is that differences of opinions among Christians do occur. In fact, we are allowed to have differences of opinion according to God's word found in Rom. 14: 1-13. True Christians are all united in the essentials of the faith and are often divided on the non-essentials. This does not mean we are not all Christians, but that we have differences of opinions on some things.

However, in the 1500s, there was a major split in the Catholic church. It was called the Reformation. As a Protestant, I believe the Reformation was necessary because the Catholic church had adopted some dangerous and erroneous doctrines that extend far beyond mere differences of opinion; namely, prayer to Mary, purgatory, indulgences, etc.

Muslims often fail to differentiate between Catholicism and Protestantism in their arguments. I've heard and read where Muslims attack, for example, the Catholic teaching of the Eucharist where the bread and wine of the Lord's Supper are claimed by the Catholics to actually become the body and blood of Christ during the communion service. Of course, we Protestants strongly disagree with this. But this disagreement is rarely, if ever, brought up when attacking Christian doctrine. So, when Muslims say "Christians believe , ", be careful that they do not make too broad a generalization as they continue their attack.



No. 6 Claim their thinking is correct and Christian thinking is incorrect



Many Muslims have told me that what I am saying about God, Salvation, the Bible, etc., isn't logical. Now, perhaps some things I say are not logical. But, I've not heard any convincing arguments yet demonstrating what is and is not logical regarding Christian doctrine. Usually, the Muslim will simply say that Jesus having two natures is not logical or that the Trinity being three persons doesn't make sense. But saying so doesn't make it so. There is nothing illogical about a part of God being able to become a person and add human nature to Himself. It may not be the easiest thing in the world to understand, but it is not illogical. Neither does saying that the Trinity is three persons is illogical make it so. Surely anyone would agree that when we encounter God and His self revelation there will be things that are difficult to understand. The Trinity certainly falls under that category. But, the Trinity doctrine is not against logic. It would be illogical to say that one God is three gods, or that one person is three persons. But that is not what Christianity teaches.

I've found that when dialoguing with Muslims and when reading their material against Christianity, that their claim to know real logic is really an extension of their Muslim thought and not a mastery of logic at all.



No. 7 Switching topics when challenged



Sometimes when discussing subjects that Muslims find difficult to answer, they will quickly change the subject. Very often this change involves attacking the Bible. Other times they will testify that they know Islam is true or they will simply say that you do not know what you are talking about. But when they change the subject you must be patient. Lovingly bring them back to the subject at hand. I have had to do this many times when discussing Islam with Muslims.

This is a small but very important point. Too many Christians fall into the trap of allowing themselves to be diverted from the subject at hand. Do not let a Muslim simply ignore a question and start a new subject when it gets tough. Likewise, Christians should not simply change the subject when it gets difficult for them either. Instead, if you do not know the answer to a question, simply admit it. Go do some research and then get back with them.

Always remember to be gracious. You will not win the Muslim to the Lord with cruelty and rudeness. And remember that we are in the spiritual battle. Love and truth in the name of Jesus is more powerful than any perfect answer.

When dialoguing with Muslims, please remember to be respectful and patient. But, check everything they say and listen to them. They do not have the market cornered on truth, even though they think they do.

Source > http://carm.org/religious-movements/islam/methods-muslims-use-attack-christianity

I vote for the last option



[size=15pt]No. 7 Switching topics when challenged[/size]

chinedumo:



. . . . remind them of 2 Pet. 3:15-16 where Peter calls Paul's writings Scripture . . .

Peter did not call Paul's writings scripture because they were infact not scripture. He called them what they were; epistles (or letters if you will) !

Also, the next time you get material from the web, try and post the link as well.

http://carm.org/religious-movements/islam/methods-muslims-use-attack-christianity

Very nice stuff. OP please modify your post to bolden the sub-topics to make for an easier read!!!
very very nice stuff

Here

jayriginal:

Peter did not call Paul's writings scripture because they were infact not scripture. He called them what they were; epistles (or letters if you will) !

Also, the next time you get material from the web, try and post the link as well.

You do take the Mickey , honestly 

What do you know about the bible

InshaAllah,i will respond to each and every point and show christian missionary deception in concealing the truth,rejecting facts and converting lies and falsehood into make believe and acceptance.

Now,im browsing from my phone.when i lay hand on my computer,you will get reply.

LagosShia:

InshaAllah,i will respond to each and every point and show christian missionary deception in concealing the truth,rejecting facts and converting lies and falsehood into make believe and acceptance.

Now,im browsing from my phone.when i lay hand on my computer,you will get reply.

Just make sure, that you do not change the Subject again , Muhahaha

jayriginal:

Peter did not call Paul's writings scripture because they were infact not scripture. He called them what they were; epistles (or letters if you will) !

The least you could have done is look up the relevant bible passage.
And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

aletheia:

The least you could have done is look up the relevant bible passage.
And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

Peter must have been speaking about the likes of jayoriginal.

Muslim never discredit bible,you christians discredit it yourself. This link is Revised Standard Version of bible:

quod.lib.umich.edu/r/rsv/browse.html

Go there and read Acts 3:13, Acts 4:27 and many more and how Jesus was referred to as Servant of God. Was it written there by the Muslims?
The Quran was memorised by many people then as it is also the case now and even if you are doubting the authenticity, can you give me versions of the Quran like that of the bible? There is no manuscript of the Quran that was destroyed shortly after the death of Muhammed. If there is, can you please give us you reference or where you got that. You can only discredit The Quran using LIES. There is no atom of truth in what you posted. All those falacy you just mentioned can you please give us evidence?

Do you really know the number of version of the bible? Let me help you with some:
1. king james version
2. Revise standard version
3. Jerusalem bible
4. New world translation
5. Roman catholic duay version
6. New american version
7. The new international version
8. Lost book of the bible and the forgotten book of eden
9. Gospel of barnabas etc etc

To make it more interactive, try as much as possible not to make the comment very very lengthy so that there wont be dodging of questions by anybody.

frosbel:

Here
You do take the Mickey , honestly 

What do you know about the bible

aletheia:

The least you could have done is look up the relevant bible passage.
And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

davidylan:

Peter must have been speaking about the likes of jayoriginal.

You guys are amazing .
First of all, when I saw this,

. . . . remind them of 2 Pet. 3:15-16 where Peter calls Paul's writings Scripture . . .

it struck me as odd. I have never come across anything like it in the bible. For one, the New Testament is not part of scripture (but that is a matter for another thread).
In any case I headed to the quoted passage, checked and lo and behold, Peter said no such thing.
He calls them epistles/letters. Of course I can see where you might want to argue otherwise but it cannot be resolved in favor of establishing letters of Paul as scripture.

However, I understand your motivation. It is the same motivation that homosexu@ls and lesbi@ns use to interpret the bible and justify themselves. Interestingly, you wish to deny them the same right.

Bravo.

jayriginal:

. . .the New Testament is not part of scripture. . .

Now I understand what you are.

The fool hath said in his heart There is no God

aletheia:

Now I understand what you are.
The fool hath said in his heart There is no God

 

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@aletheia; « #12 on: Today at 11:43:34 AM »
[quote]Quote from: jayriginal on Today at 09:38:43 AM
. . .the New Testament is not part of scripture. . .
Now I understand what you are.
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The fool hath said in his heart There is no God[/Quote]the equally foo.lish says there are 3 persons in God.

^^

You still have not explained why ALLAH partnered with 3 daughers .

Allah, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called "the daughters of Allah." These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.

The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as "high" gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities.

"Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and "daughters of Al-lah" (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, I:61)".

jayriginal:

Peter did not call Paul's writings scripture because they were infact not scripture. He called them what they were; epistles (or letters if you will) !

Also, the next time you get material from the web, try and post the link as well.

Thanks

but i never claimed credit for his work

That is why i have the name "Matt Slick" written at the beginning

thanks for bringing up the link
i will add it

I did not copy it from there
Someone send it to me on facebook

Epistle and letters does not degrade Paul's work

Part of the prophetic books of the old testament are also epistles or letters

@Frosbel; So show me where Allah partnered with 3 daughters, perchance I may explain to your your ignorant mind.

Or are you diluted enough to lie against Allah, because you are not satisfied with your lies against Yahweh, Jehovah, Holy Spirit Angel, Jesus christ the man?

Show me the issues you raised against Allah from the Quran and Hadith. Frosbel.

@The Op; [Quote]No. 7 Switching topics when challenged
Sometimes when discussing subjects that Muslims find difficult to answer, they will quickly change the subject. Very often this change involves attacking the Bible. Other times they will testify that they know Islam is true or they will simply say that you do not know what you are talking about. But when they change the subject you must be patient. Lovingly bring them back to the subject at hand. I have had to do this many times when discussing Islam with Muslims.[/Quote]what a load of crock. replace muslim/islam with christian/christianity. the story is the same in every quarter.


[Quote]This is a small but very important point. Too many Christians fall into the trap of allowing themselves to be diverted from the subject at hand. Do not let a Muslim simply ignore a question and start a new subject when it gets tough. Likewise, Christians should not simply change the subject when it gets difficult for them either. Instead, if you do not know the answer to a question, simply admit it. Go do some research and then get back with them.[/Quote]the muslims are not alone in this. if you discuss with any group, there will be some who apply the diversion tactics.


[Quote]Always remember to be gracious. You will not win the Muslim to the Lord with cruelty and rudeness. And remember that we are in the spiritual battle. Love and truth in the name of Jesus is more powerful than any perfect answer.[/quote]since we are at it; which Lord are we talking about? i hope its not servant of God, Jesus son of Mary, the prophet of Nazareth?


[Quote]When dialoguing with Muslims, please remember to be respectful and patient. But, check everything they say and listen to them. They do not have the market cornered on truth, even though they think they do.[/Quote]the thinking of the christians, saying they are the only one with the truth.

Have you then considered Allat and the ‘Uzza, and Manat, the third, the last? What! for you the males and for Him the females! This indeed is an unjust division! They are naught but names which you have named, you and your fathers; Allah has not sent for them any authority. They follow naught but conjecture and the low desires which (their) souls incline to; and certainly the guidance has come to them from their Lord. [Sūrah al-Najm:19-23]

Explain the above please !

The Lord refereed to here is Jesus/Isa/Yeshua/Yahusuah of Nazareth, son of man, son of God

Hebrews 1

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

yemmy1:

Muslim never discredit bible,you christians discredit it yourself. This link is Revised Standard Version of bible:

quod.lib.umich.edu/r/rsv/browse.html

Go there and read Acts 3:13, Acts 4:27 and many more and how Jesus was referred to as Servant of God. Was it written there by the Muslims?
The Quran was memorised by many people then as it is also the case now and even if you are doubting the authenticity, can you give me versions of the Quran like that of the bible? There is no manuscript of the Quran that was destroyed shortly after the death of Muhammed. If there is, can you please give us you reference or where you got that. You can only discredit The Quran using LIES. There is no atom of truth in what you posted. All those falacy you just mentioned can you please give us evidence?

Do you really know the number of version of the bible? Let me help you with some:
1. king james version
2. Revise standard version
3. Jerusalem bible
4. New world translation
5. Roman catholic duay version
6. New american version
7. The new international version
8. Lost book of the bible and the forgotten book of eden
9. Gospel of barnabas etc etc

Lets look at the verses u asked to be looked at

Acts 3:13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 4 :27 27For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

@Frosbel; « #18 on: Today at 03:06:12 PM »
[Quote]Have you then considered Allat and the ‘Uzza, and Manat, the third, the last? What! for you the males and for Him the females![/Quote]it is a question against those [the pagans] who made the claim, just like the christians who made similar claim for Jesus. read the below how Allah explain their condition, and it applies to the christians, too.


[Quote] This indeed is an unjust division! They are naught but names which you have named, you and your fathers; Allah has not sent for them any authority. They follow naught but conjecture and the low desires which (their) souls incline to;[/Quote]you have no authority from God on your claims and it is only what you desire in lies that you claim.


[Quote] and certainly the guidance has come to them from their Lord. [Sūrah al-Najm:19-23]
Explain the above please ![/Quote]even though guidance in truth came against their lies, they insist on the lies. now that you and the pagans are on the same boat and we in Islam have explained to you your being astray, what do you do with it, now that Islam as the only True guidance is available? Are you going to remain ignorance, incorrigible?

@Chinedumo: « #19 on: Today at 03:09:47 PM »
[Quote]The Lord refereed to here is Jesus/Isa/Yeshua/Yahusuah of Nazareth, son of man, son of God

Hebrews 1

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

13But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?[/Quote]Hebrew text to prove Jesus as God, when Jesus proved himself as messenger, prophet of God? Who is the liar, Hebrew or what Jesus said since they are opposite of each other?

Ibn Humayd – Salamah – Muhammad b. Ishaq – Yazid b. Ziyad al-Madani – Muhammad b. Ka'b al-Qurazi: When the Messenger of God saw how his tribe turned their backs on him and was grieved to see them shunning the message he had brought to them from God, he longed in his soul that something would come to him from God which would reconcile him with his tribe.

With his love for his tribe and his eagerness for their welfare it would have delighted him if some of the difficulties which they made for him could have been smoothed out, and he debated with himself and fervently desired such an outcome. Then God revealed:

By the Star when it sets, your comrade does not err, nor is he deceived; nor does he speak out of (his own) desire…

and when he came to the words:

Have you thought upon al-Lat and al-‘Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?

Satan cast on his tongue, because of his inner debates and what he desired to bring to his people, the words:

These are the high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is accepted with approval.

When Quraysh heard this, they rejoiced and were happy and delighted at the way in which he spoke of their gods, and they listened to him, while the Muslims, having complete trust in their Prophet in respect of the messages which he brought from God, did not suspect him of error, illusion, or mistake.

When he came to the prostration, having completed the surah, he prostrated himself and the Muslims did likewise, following their Prophet, trusting in the message which he had brought and following his example.

Those polytheists of the Quraysh and others who were in the mosque likewise prostrated themselves because of the reference to their gods which they had heard, so that there was no one in the mosque, believer or unbeliever, who did not prostrate himself. The one exception was al-Walid b. Al-Mughirah, who was a very old man and could not prostrate himself; but he took a handful of soil from the valley in his hand and bowed over that. Then they all dispersed from the mosque.

The Quraysh left delighted by the mention of their gods which they had heard, saying, "Muhammad has mentioned our gods in the most favorable way possible, stating in his recitation that they are the high flying cranes and that their intercession is received with approval."

The news of the prostration reached those of the Messenger of God's companions who were in Abyssinia and people said, "The Quraysh have accepted Islam." Some rose up to return, while others remained behind. Then Gabriel came to the Messenger of God and said, "Muhammad, what have you done? You have recited to the people that which I did not bring to you from God, and you have said that which was not said to you."

Then the Messenger of God was much grieved and feared God greatly, but God sent down a revelation to him, for He was merciful to him, consoling him and making the matter light for him, informing him that there had never been a prophet or a messenger before him who desired as he desired and wished as he wished but that Satan had cast words into his recitation, as he had cast words on Muhammad's tongue.

Then God cancelled what Satan had thus cast, and established his verses by telling him that he was like other prophets and messengers, and revealed:

Never did we send a messenger or a prophet before you but that when he recited (the Message) Satan cast words into his recitation (umniyyah). God abrogates what Satan casts. Then God established his verses. God is knower, wise.

Thus God removed the sorrow from his Messenger, reassured him about that which he had feared and cancelled the words which Satan had cast on his tongue, that their gods were the high flying cranes whose intercession was accepted with approval. He now revealed, following the mention of "al-Lat, al-‘Uzza and Manat, the third, the other," the words:

Are yours the males and his the females? That indeed were an unfair division! They are but names which you have named, you and your fathers.

to the words:

to whom he wills and accepts.

This means, how can the intercession of their gods avail with God?


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Sweetnecta:

@Chinedumo: « #19 on: Today at 03:09:47 PM »Hebrew text to prove Jesus as God, when Jesus proved himself as messenger, prophet of God? Who is the liar, Hebrew or what Jesus said since they are opposite of each other?

Is this article about JESUS ?

You Muslims are now making everyone aware of your tricks, if you cannot beat them, change the subject.

Common let us argue the facts !!

Sweetnecta:

@Chinedumo: « #19 on: Today at 03:09:47 PM »Hebrew text to prove Jesus as God, when Jesus proved himself as messenger, prophet of God? Who is the liar, Hebrew or what Jesus said since they are opposite of each other?

i wonder how Jesus being a messenger and a prophet stops him from being God

God created man

yet man finds it difficult and impossible for God to come in human form

Guy stop lying. The Revised Standard Version of the bible said:

''The God of Abraham and of Isaac and
of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified
his SERVANT Jesus, whom you delivered up
and denied in the presence of Pilate, when
he had decided to release him.'' ACTS 3:13

Also Acts 4:27 says

''for truly in this city there were gathered together against thy holy SERVANT Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel''

Go online and check Revised Standard Version this is the link
(quod.lib.umich.edu/r/rsv/browse.html)
,or was those verses written by a Muslim? So except you just want to argue with the bible or you ignorantly want to give it another meaning.

Is messenger and God the same? Okay you mean it is the Almighty God that was nailed to the cross like a criminal? Remember you christians claimed that the trinity works together,so if Jesus died that means that the remaing gods too died. Then who is in the control of the world for the 3 days you claimed Jesus died?

Sweetnecta:

. . .the equally foo.lish says there are 3 persons in God.

At least you are getting closer to understanding how Jehovah has manifested Himself to men in history. From your interaction with Christians, you now know far better than Mohammed and Allah that:
(1Jn 5:7) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Whereas your false god al-ilah also known as Hubal and his false prophet are really confused as to Who God is as is recorded in this sura 5:116:
And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?

Perhaps, one day you will believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the son of God and that there is no name given under heaven (no, not even Mohammed), by which men will be saved. You must be born again.

^^^^^^^ Perhaps one day, you will be let out on other days than fridays. They you will read that a foo.l in his heart says God is 3 persons.

Aletheia; how you dey?

Everything ok?

Which one of the 3 will you worship first?

Which one will you worship last?

^^

But tell me Bro.Sweetnecta , because that is what we will be calling you soon.  , how can ALLAH have 3 daughters 

Please explain in one sentence !

Sweetnecta:

Perhaps one day, you will be let out on other days than fridays. They you will read that a foo.l in his heart says God is 3 persons.
Aletheia; how you dey?
Everything ok?
Which one of the 3 will you worship first?
Which one will you worship last?

Doesn't your god and his false prophet say that these supposed "three" ( ) is Jesus, Mary, and the Father according to sura 5:116. Your Satan (Allah) and his ignorant prophet couldn't even get their accusation straight. And you their blind follower (blind mohammed leading blind sweetnecta. . .they shall both fall into the ditch) can no doubt educate them on what Christians believe viz.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.