aletheia:

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Joagbaje has been reduced to personal insults on this thread. . .seeing that he can not bamboozle his way out of the fact that his god Chris Oyakhilome is a thief.

Kunle,

I'll say you should rather shut your foolish mouth up. . .just because you guys see a meek guy dishing honest answers to your posts you think you could throw insults on him. . .why dont you guys just face me! . . .afterall I created the thread. . .nonsense!

firstly,

I think you are rather the daft for assuming that because some politician returned campaign donations from questionable source therefore means Pastor Chris has violated the provisions sorrounding his own case for not returning his.

A sincere point should be to ask if Pastor Chris is a criminal for not returning money stolen given to his church from a thief. Does the law say Pastor Chris is the thief? or did it say CEC should be declared a criminal institution?

I showed you guys (especially enigma who was the first to throw his weak tandrums) what the International law for criminal sanctions provided against money launders/laundering and you pretended not to see it. . .not surprised as it seems your customs.

Criminal sanctions for money laundering says

Criminal sanctions

Money laundering has been criminalized in the United States since the Money Laundering Control Act of 1986. That legislation, contained at section 1956 of Title 18 of the United States Code, prohibits individuals from engaging in a financial transaction with proceeds that were generated from certain specific crimes, known as “specified unlawful activities” (SUAs). Additionally, the law requires that an individual specifically intend in making the transaction to conceal the source, ownership or control of the funds.

There is no minimum threshold of money, nor is there the requirement that the transaction succeed in actually disguising the money. Moreover, a “financial transaction” has been broadly defined, and need not involve a financial institution, or even a business. Merely passing money from one person to another, so long as it is done with the intent to disguise the source, ownership, location or control of the money, has been deemed a financial transaction under the law. However, the lone possession of money without either a financial transaction or an intent to conceal is not a crime in the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering

Oyinprince:

Oh Boy, See Glory wey dis Man Dey carry , People dey argue about am , while im dey change the world and they impact people for Christ

Like it or Not, It will only Get better, He's increasing everyday

Pastor Kun:

It is quite evident you created this. Thread to spark controversy knowing fully well in your heart of heart that pastor chris is fraudulent character with no morals or regard for God hence he deserves no respect.

Pastor Kun:

@Tonye t
I have always known you to be a dunce so I am not suprised at your daft remarks. It is quite evident you created this. Thread to spark controversy knowing fully well in your heart of heart that pastor chris is fraudulent character with no morals or regard for God hence he deserves no respect. Just like you like starting tithing topics to create controversy after it has been proven beyond any iota of doubt on this forum that tithing as it is preached today is fraudulent and without sound biblical basis neither was it directed at christians.

Any way keep up the "good" work you are doing cause it always back fires even though you are tooooooo daft to realise that. By virtue of this thread for instance a lot more people are now better informed of the immoral and criminal acts of Oyaks which makes him a false pastor. Keep on spreading the word.

Tonye-t:

At least I am a dunce to acknowledge that a man who has championed the course of the christendom is worthy of respect

At least I am a dunce to have pointed out that this man's spiritual achievements are evident in the number of transformed lives

I feel proud to be a dunce by giving respect to a man i find no faults in. . .his messages and lifestyle have helped provided a picture of what a true mentor and servant-leader should be.

I still feel proud to be a dunce because I see a man who helps millions out there by providing them means of getting to understand the precious words of God in simplistic manner.

And You mr.wise guy is busy making everyone believe the pastor is a fraud on the base that a member of his gave offerings from a stolen means and therefore means the humble Pastor is a thief without understanding a thing about the law. How pathetic!

You mr. wise guys is always quick to point at the speck in the Pastor's eyes yet not removing the pathetic big log in your stu.pid eyes.! I see who is dunce.

You mr.wise guy is on Nairaland dishing insults on a man whose achievements as a humble Christian pastor will never be attained by your sorry self in this life and life to come. How pathetic are you Mr.wise guy

One word for you. . . wipe your sorry arse.!

Tonye-t:

At least I am a dunce to acknowledge that a man who has championed the course of the christendom is worthy of respect

At least I am a dunce to have pointed out that this man's spiritual achievements are evident in the number of transformed lives

I feel proud to be a dunce by giving respect to a man i find no faults in. . .his messages and lifestyle have helped provided a picture of what a true mentor and servant-leader should be.

I still feel proud to be a dunce because I see a man who helps millions out there by providing them means of getting to understand the precious words of God in simplistic manner.

And You mr.wise guy is busy making everyone believe the pastor is a fraud on the base that a member of his gave offerings from a stolen means and therefore means the humble Pastor is a thief without understanding a thing about the law. How pathetic!

You mr. wise guys is always quick to point at the speck in the Pastor's eyes yet not removing the pathetic big log in your stu.pid eyes.! I see who is dunce.

You mr.wise guy is on Nairaland dishing insults on a man whose achievements as a humble Christian pastor will never be attained by your sorry self in this life and life to come. How pathetic are you Mr.wise guy

One word for you. . . wipe your sorry arse.!

Section 427 of the Criminal Code thus makes receiving anything which has been obtained through the commission of crime also a crime. It is immaterial that the property was not obtained through such a crime in Nigeria. This offence is itself geared towards discouraging stealing and protection of property. Under the Penal Code receiving stolen property is covered by section 316.

According to you:
The claims that he did not know that the goods in question were stolen falls flat, because it is clearly established that this was brought to his attention:

how?
You quoted this:

In Agada’s letter to Oyakhilome made available to Newswatch, he informed the pastor formally that he removed funds belonging to Sheraton Hotel to the tune of N39 million. He said he used the money for “various projects and seeding and blessing of brethren in the church without due authorisation from my organisation.
 
As a reasonable man that you claim to be, you should know that whatever letter the said Mr. Agada had written to Pastor Chris couldn't have come at the same time as when he was giving the said money to the Church, from which a reasonable man can safely infer that the church had knowledge of the fact that the money was stolen. 
You should know that the said letter was written after he had given the money and maybe subsequently arrested by the police. 
So your argument that Pastor Chris is deemed to have had knowledge that the money was stolen flies over the face of every reasonable person.



In the same vein, knowledge that the property is stolen is required before you can be guilty of the offence. You will however be deemed to have such knowledge if judging from circumstances of the case, a reasonable man ought to have suspected the property in question to have been stolen, for example where the property in question is sold at a ridiculously low price. See R. v. Braimah (1943) W.A.C.A. 197.




According to you:


Moreover Chris Oyakhilome can. . .be deemed to have such knowledge if judging from circumstances of the case, a reasonable man ought to have suspected the property in question to have been stolen. Certainly common sense not to talk of the Holy Spirit would have told Chris that as a cashier with no visible other source of income, Agada certainly could not be in a position to afford such "sowing". A genuine pastor will ask questions but the greedy and rapacious lupine that is Chris deliberately and willfully ignored this.

I have told you before that according to the Bible our riches are not supplied by the job we do, but by Christ Jesus.
What do you mean by a genuine pastor?
I can tell you that a genuine pastor is the Pastor that believes in miracles for his members not the one that will tell his members during offering time to line up with their offerings and begin to question the source of their income. Thank you.

Tonye-t:

At least I am a dunce to acknowledge that a man who has championed the course of the christendom is worthy of respect

At least I am a dunce to have pointed out that this man's spiritual achievements are evident in the number of transformed lives

I feel proud to be a dunce by giving respect to a man i find no faults in. . .his messages and lifestyle have helped provided a picture of what a true mentor and servant-leader should be.

I still feel proud to be a dunce because I see a man who helps millions out there by providing them means of getting to understand the precious words of God in simplistic manner.

And You mr.wise guy is busy making everyone believe the pastor is a fraud on the base that a member of his gave offerings from a stolen means and therefore means the humble Pastor is a thief without understanding a thing about the law. How pathetic!

You mr. wise guys is always quick to point at the speck in the Pastor's eyes yet not removing the pathetic big log in your stu.pid eyes.! I see who is dunce.

You mr.wise guy is on Nairaland dishing insults on a man whose achievements as a humble Christian pastor will never be attained by your sorry self in this life and life to come. How pathetic are you Mr.wise guy

One word for you. . . wipe your sorry arse.!

fergie321:

@Tonye _T

You are a FOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL everyone in Europe knows you are, this is the reason they were able to enslave you for hundreds of years. Chris is into business of fooling people to give him their money. Transformation of people's live is secondary, is a cosmetic exercise to pull wool over your eyes. Chris wife lives next door to me in [size=13pt]Dulwich[/size] in the past 4 years who is Chris sleeping wit, may be he is on top of the mountain praying. ONLY NIGERIA PASTORS KNOWS THIS SECTION IN THE BIBLE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE 10% or selecting 10 people in congregation tell them God have reveal to him they should bring £500.00 for a special prayer. LOOOOOOOOK the game is up, BBC is doing a documentary about the lies and thieving of Nigeria pastors to be broadcast in January 2012. This will further damage Nigeria image abroad. We knows too much. Chris and the likes of him are taking advantage of venerable people who are in despair to take their money, which is more damaging than the good they might have done. If Chris was asked to undertake this project with his money will he? Of cause he won't, all pastors are noting but some bunch selfish thieves.

Barr rich:

Section 427 of the Criminal Code thus makes receiving anything which has been obtained through the commission of crime also a crime. It is immaterial that the property was not obtained through such a crime in Nigeria. This offence is itself geared towards discouraging stealing and protection of property. Under the Penal Code receiving stolen property is covered by section 316.

Aletheia,


The important elements here are that, you must have ‘received’ the property in question and also have ‘knowledge’ of the fact that the property so received was stolen.

According to you:
The claims that he did not know that the goods in question were stolen falls flat, because it is clearly established that this was brought to his attention:
how?
You quoted this:
Quote
In Agada’s letter to Oyakhilome made available to Newswatch, he informed the pastor formally that he removed funds belonging to Sheraton Hotel to the tune of N39 million. He said he used the money for “various projects and seeding and blessing of brethren in the church without due authorisation from my organisation.
 
As a reasonable man that you claim to be, you should know that whatever letter the said Mr. Agada had written to Pastor Chris couldn't have come at the same time as when he was giving the said money to the Church, from which a reasonable man can safely infer that the church had knowledge of the fact that the money was stolen. 
You should know that the said letter was written after he had given the money and maybe subsequently arrested by the police. 
So your argument that Pastor Chris is deemed to have had knowledge that the money was stolen flies over the face of every reasonable person.

In the same vein, knowledge that the property is stolen is required before you can be guilty of the offence. You will however be deemed to have such knowledge if judging from circumstances of the case, a reasonable man ought to have suspected the property in question to have been stolen, for example where the property in question is sold at a ridiculously low price. See R. v. Braimah (1943) W.A.C.A. 197.

According to you:
Moreover Chris Oyakhilome can. . .be deemed to have such knowledge if judging from circumstances of the case, a reasonable man ought to have suspected the property in question to have been stolen. Certainly common sense not to talk of the Holy Spirit would have told Chris that as a cashier with no visible other source of income, Agada certainly could not be in a position to afford such "sowing". A genuine pastor will ask questions but the greedy and rapacious lupine that is Chris deliberately and willfully ignored this.

I have told you before that according to the Bible our riches are not supplied by the job we do, but by Christ Jesus.
What do you mean by a genuine pastor?
I can tell you that a genuine pastor is the Pastor that believes in miracles for his members not the one that will tell his members during offering time to line up with their offerings and begin to question the source of their income. Thank you.

fergie321:

We knows too much.

Pastor AIO:

Chris' wife must be a very dull woman. That is why they sent her there. Dulwich is where they send the Dull witches. But I think that by now she is soo dull that she has lost all her winchy capabilities. That makes her a double Dullard.

Barr rich:

Section 427 of the Criminal Code thus makes receiving anything which has been obtained through the commission of crime also a crime. It is immaterial that the property was not obtained through such a crime in Nigeria. This offence is itself geared towards discouraging stealing and protection of property. Under the Penal Code receiving stolen property is covered by section 316.

Aletheia,


The important elements here are that, you must have ‘received’ the property in question and also have ‘knowledge’ of the fact that the property so received was stolen.

According to you:
The claims that he did not know that the goods in question were stolen falls flat, because it is clearly established that this was brought to his attention:
how?
You quoted this:
Quote
In Agada’s letter to Oyakhilome made available to Newswatch, he informed the pastor formally that he removed funds belonging to Sheraton Hotel to the tune of N39 million. He said he used the money for “various projects and seeding and blessing of brethren in the church without due authorisation from my organisation.
 
As a reasonable man that you claim to be, you should know that whatever letter the said Mr. Agada had written to Pastor Chris couldn't have come at the same time as when he was giving the said money to the Church, from which a reasonable man can safely infer that the church had knowledge of the fact that the money was stolen. 
You should know that the said letter was written after he had given the money and maybe subsequently arrested by the police. 
So your argument that Pastor Chris is deemed to have had knowledge that the money was stolen flies over the face of every reasonable person.



In the same vein, knowledge that the property is stolen is required before you can be guilty of the offence. You will however be deemed to have such knowledge if judging from circumstances of the case, a reasonable man ought to have suspected the property in question to have been stolen, for example where the property in question is sold at a ridiculously low price. See R. v. Braimah (1943) W.A.C.A. 197.




According to you:


Moreover Chris Oyakhilome can. . .be deemed to have such knowledge if judging from circumstances of the case, a reasonable man ought to have suspected the property in question to have been stolen. Certainly common sense not to talk of the Holy Spirit would have told Chris that as a cashier with no visible other source of income, Agada certainly could not be in a position to afford such "sowing". A genuine pastor will ask questions but the greedy and rapacious lupine that is Chris deliberately and willfully ignored this.

I have told you before that according to the Bible our riches are not supplied by the job we do, but by Christ Jesus.
What do you mean by a genuine pastor?
I can tell you that a genuine pastor is the Pastor that believes in miracles for his members not the one that will tell his members during offering time to line up with their offerings and begin to question the source of their income. Thank you.

Oh boy!
Where have l been?
This lawyer guy is good infact l make bold to say your going to law school was of God you know like the tale of biblical Esther for such an occasion as this.

Pastor Kun:

Joagbaje sharrap and stop giving all these flimsy excuses for your thieving Oga. Someone already used an example of a politician returning campaign donations becos the source was questionable, should we expect less from a church or a supposed man of God? The church is supposed to be at the epitome when it comes to morals, ethics and righteousness. Stop giving daft excuses for your thieving boss cause he is just a shameless common criminal. Imagine a pastor looking for legal loopholes to justify crime instead of doing the right thing. The other excuse you gave that it is God the money was given to is also highly blasphemous. Are you now saying that God receives stolen money? Maybe the mamon god you zombies worship in CE, but the almighty God whom true believers worship does not even receive clean money from believers how much less stolen money. The bible makes it clear God has no needs we humans are capable of meeting so stop telling lies to justify crime in your cult.

Tonye-t:

At least I am a dunce to acknowledge that a man who has championed the course of the christendom is worthy of respect

At least I am a dunce to have pointed out that this man's spiritual achievements are evident in the number of transformed lives

I feel proud to be a dunce by giving respect to a man i find no faults in. . .his messages and lifestyle have helped provided a picture of what a true mentor and servant-leader should be.

I still feel proud to be a dunce because I see a man who helps millions out there by providing them means of getting to understand the precious words of God in simplistic manner.

And You mr.wise guy is busy making everyone believe the pastor is a fraud on the base that a member of his gave offerings from a stolen means and therefore means the humble Pastor is a thief without understanding a thing about the law. How pathetic!

You mr. wise guys is always quick to point at the speck in the Pastor's eyes yet not removing the pathetic big log in your stu.pid eyes.! I see who is dunce.

You mr.wise guy is on Nairaland dishing insults on a man whose achievements as a humble Christian pastor will never be attained by your sorry self in this life and life to come. How pathetic are you Mr.wise guy

One word for you. . . wipe your sorry arse.!

Basito:

What is the misunderstanding and quarrel over the simple truth 'Pastor Chris should be respected'.?God will be so disappointed at any man that uses his intelligence against God's wisdom.The wisdom of God is not taught in universities but in the churches(1Tim3v15), the church of God, the pillar and ground of THE TRUTH.The word of God is the only tool that  can help us analyse and judge all Christian activities.
How would you feel to know that all your criticisms against this great man of God, Pastor Chris, are unfair characterisations made out of ignorance and do not represent what happens in the church?
Romans14v4(TLB):They are God's servants, not yours.They are responsible to him(God),not to you.Let him tell them whether they are right or wrong.And God is able to make them do as they should.
If we must accept the truth, this scripture knocks of what one of the persons said that God has anointed them also to criticise pastor Chris.
The bible shows us from the scripture above that they(the likes of Pastor Chris, Prophet T.B Joshua, Bishop Oyedepo etc) are God's servants and no man has the responsibility of talking them down, it is deadly to call men of God names. I thought, intelligence should rather help us to understand and accept the truth.
1Tim5v17:Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
We can see clearly from the scripture above that Pastor Chris deserves honour and respect from all of us, and this has nothing to do whether you like it or not, whether you believe it or not, because it is God's idea for his men to be respected.You will only endanger your own self if you choose not to respect them.

It is true that the church should be the platform to demonstrate God's wisdom [read Ephesians 3:10] but not the crazy religion & atrocities taking place their now in the name of God's wisdom.
Nigerians are renowned for their intelligence globally but their gullibility in the hands of this celebrity ministers sitting as gods in the temples of commercial Christianity is mind bogging to say the least

You may choose to honor chris O for all you care
It's a free world
Yet what deprivations has he suffered for the word of Christ?
Where has he labored in word and doctrine?
Even Christ said take heed to what you hear
Do you?
Are you like the Bereans who heard Paul speak and went through their bibles to see if it was so?
Many in today's church would gladly fall down at the feet of the apostles who followed Christ and Paul to worship
Yet Peter forbid Cornelius from doing so reminding him he was a mere man saved by God's grace like him
Paul and Barnabas tore their clothes and rebuked men from worshiping them at Lystra
Are your celeb pastors this humble?
They peddle cunningly devised fables to you and you scream preach it
This deceitful workers masquerading as apostles of Christ
Go read 2nd peter again
But you love it so seeing you have developed itchy ears to the truth
May God himself open the eyes of His straying children to the truth
Maranatha

Barr rich:

Section 427 of the Criminal Code thus makes receiving anything which has been obtained through the commission of crime also a crime. It is immaterial that the property was not obtained through such a crime in Nigeria. This offence is itself geared towards discouraging stealing and protection of property. Under the Penal Code receiving stolen property is covered by section 316.

Aletheia,


The important elements here are that, you must have ‘received’ the property in question and also have ‘knowledge’ of the fact that the property so received was stolen.

Section 427 of the Criminal Code thus makes receiving anything which has been obtained through the commission of crime also a crime. It is immaterial that the property was not obtained through such a crime in Nigeria. This offence is itself geared towards discouraging stealing and protection of property. Under the Penal Code receiving stolen property is covered by section 316.

The important elements here are that, you must have ‘received’ the property in question and also have ‘knowledge’ of the fact that the property so received was stolen. To constitute ‘receiving’, it is sufficient if you are in actual (physical) possession of the stolen property or if it can be deemed that you are in possession (by virtue of the fact that the stolen property is in possession of someone over whom you have control or authority), either alone or in conjunction with others, or if you have aided the disposal or concealment of such property. See R v. Osakwe [1963] All N.L.R. 362.

In the same vein, knowledge that the property is stolen is required before you can be guilty of the offence. You will however be deemed to have such knowledge if judging from circumstances of the case, a reasonable man ought to have suspected the property in question to have been stolen, for example where the property in question is sold at a ridiculously low price. See R. v. Braimah (1943) W.A.C.A. 197.

The general condition of the property may also indicate that the accused ought to have suspected that the property was stolen e.g. where the name written on it or
other marks of the owner has been defaced or altered.

Lawrence Agada, general cashier of Sheraton Hotels and Towers, Ikeja, will not forget January 12, in a hurry. On that fateful day, Chris Oyakhilome, pastor of Christ Embassy Church , Oregun, prophesied in a letter to him that God would do mighty things in his life. “He will cause you to excel and lift you up so high that the world can’t but take notice of you, in Jesus name. Amen.” Agada attracted the prophecy for sowing a seed of a 250 KVA generator valued at N4.4 million to the headquarters of Christ Embassy.

In Agada’s letter to Oyakhilome made available to Newswatch, he informed the pastor formally that he removed funds belonging to Sheraton Hotel to the tune of N39 million. He said he used the money for “various projects and seeding and blessing of brethren in the church without due authorisation from my organisation.”

Imonivwerha said soon after the confession of Agada, officials of Sheraton Hotel took a tour of the respective churches to verify his claims. He said the team, which included Agada himself, sighted the big generator and chairs at the headquarters of Christ Embassy. According to him, Christine Davidson-Ekeh, head of mission at Christ Embassy, admitted that Agada acquired both the generator and the chairs for the church.

“At the Ifako church we also sighted, and confirmed from the presiding pastor, Mrs. Sholesi, the respective gifts made to the church by Mr. Agada. She, in fact, confirmed that he was her ‘right hand man’ and volunteered further, her willingness to return the money if she had the means to do so,” said Imonivwerha. He said, however, that Sholesi and Davidson-Ekeh indicated their inability to take any further action on the matter but advised the hotel and Agada to write to Oyakhilome.

[size=14pt]Chris Oyakhilome[/size], pastor of Christ Embassy Church , Oregun, prophesied in a letter to him that God would do mighty things in his life. “He will cause you to excel and lift you up so high that the world can’t but take notice of you, in Jesus name. Amen.” Agada attracted the prophecy for sowing a seed of a 250 KVA generator valued at N4.4 million to [size=14pt]the headquarters of Christ Embassy.[/size]

Barr rich:

According to you:

Moreover Chris Oyakhilome can. . .be deemed to have such knowledge if judging from circumstances of the case, a reasonable man ought to have suspected the property in question to have been stolen. Certainly common sense not to talk of the Holy Spirit would have told Chris that as a cashier with no visible other source of income, Agada certainly could not be in a position to afford such "sowing". A genuine pastor will ask questions but the greedy and rapacious lupine that is Chris deliberately and willfully ignored this.

I have told you before that according to the Bible our riches are not supplied by the job we do, but by Christ Jesus.
What do you mean by a genuine pastor?
I can tell you that a genuine pastor is the Pastor that believes in miracles for his members not the one that will tell his members during offering time to line up with their offerings and begin to question the source of their income. Thank you.

Joagbaje:

^^^^^

Frustration at work  . . Call your oga to come and answer for himself.

ochukoccna:

The first time I had my doubts was when I heard him say Christ was not resurrected by God's Spirit
Blasphemy!

Pastor AIO:

What's the frustration? Couldn't you follow the argument?