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Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:36pm On Jan 19 |
Ken4Christ: Were you alive in the first century or you're just following what majority around you are saying? You're not even an Israelite but those accusing Jesus were Jews. You're not alive back in the first century while his accusers were his contemporaries. You never saw him while his accusers were his own disciples. You don't have the knowledge about their religion as those people who knew so much about their own religion. So how come you say they don't have evidence yet siding with accusers of TB Joshua that you don't even know any of them in person? What God's word said is clear: Any complaint must get at least two witnesses who will confirm the incident actually happened as the narrator presented it and they will be thoroughly scrutinized to be sure that they actually saw it happened. Guy that's what discredited the witnesses of all those accusing Jesus and those accusing TB Joshua hasn't done anything better. The man is dead, some people wanted to take over his So a lot needs to be considered not just what people are saying that's why i told you if we're to go by the number of accusers in comparison to his admirers they are nothing at all! |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:24pm On Jan 19 |
MaxInDHouse: What do you have to say about the evidence that is readily available? This is a member of your cult talking about her experience at SCOAN which is not dissimilar from what the BBC broadcasted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psWHERJZyJY |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:30pm On Jan 19 |
MaxInDHouse: Don't divert attention from the issue at hand. You made two accusations; that my pastor plagiarised your magazine and that a former member of DL claimed that my pastor is a member of the freemason. It is either you supply your evidence or be satisfied that you are a bold faced liar like your father, the devil. |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:31pm On Jan 19 |
OLAADEGBU:If granted interviews the same thing will come to Kumuyi jọọ! |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:33pm On Jan 19 |
OLAADEGBU:You're posting what someone else said just as i posted what someone else said. Is there any different? |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:34pm On Jan 19 |
MaxInDHouse: When did you grant Bubu4Sea an interview before you reposted it on this thread? Bubu4Sea: |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:37pm On Jan 19 |
OLAADEGBU:Why not hear him out the same way BBC gave those people a audience? Instead you quickly dismissed what he said based on trust! |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:40pm On Jan 19 |
MaxInDHouse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psWHERJZyJY This is an interview conducted on one of your JW members who was an ex disciple of TB Joshua. Are you going to refute her experience because it does not fit into your narrative? |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:45pm On Jan 19 |
OLAADEGBU:When someone said something similar against Kumuyi this is your response: OLAADEGBU:So whatever you say against TB Joshua friends of SCOAN will also ask if you could be trusted nah! |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:45pm On Jan 19 |
MaxInDHouse: There were no interview conducted and yet you trust him to be saying the truth. An accuser of the brethren is someone who accuses you without providing any evidence just as satan your father usually does. The ex-disciples have provided ample evidence which makes their statements certain, unlike you have made many false accusation without buttressing them with any fact. |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:51pm On Jan 19 |
OLAADEGBU: TRUST is not the word but STUPIDITY! Since i left Islam i never trusted what people are saying anymore even if someone says the same against Kumuyi it's your stupidity that will make me laugh at you but i don't trust such information. God's word said "make sure of all things and hold fast to what is good" 1Thessalonians 5:21 So i haven't gotten any substantial evidence against either Kumuyi or TB Joshua that's my own stand! |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:08pm On Jan 19 |
MaxInDHouse: If you pretend not to see all the interviews granted by the BBC here is a thread talking about atrocities of the cult long before the BBC. |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by Ken4Christ: 10:10pm On Jan 19 |
MaxInDHouse: I wasn't alive when Jesus was born but there are documented historical evidences of his words and works. At least we have four witnesses, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. And there is no writings from the Jews to counter what they wrote. Or are you aware of any? The blasphemy they accused Jesus of is that he claimed to be the Son of God. But he is the Son of God. Their problem is unbelief. Those accusing TB Joshua are not hidden faces. If their accusations are not true, the ministry should sue them. If up to three persons accuse you of rape and even publish it, what will you do? Just keep quiet? I am sure you will not keep quiet. You will take them to court to clear your name. Just saying it's not true is not enough. Please try and have a little sense on this issue. You like arguing blindly. 1 Like |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:43am On Jan 20 |
MaxInDHouse: Do you trust the validity of the Bible? Read More
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Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:25am On Jan 20 |
OLAADEGBU:All are fabrications as long as they never follow the scriptural procedures, as a true believer in the Bible i can't go by the words of humans who can't be trusted so God's way for matters to be investigated is what i will trust. BBC is not following God's standard neither are those people accusing their neighbours. |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:30am On Jan 20 |
Ken4Christ: The four witnesses you believe are disciples of Jesus not former but those that died as his disciples. Why not ask Jews who aren't his disciples? If you ask disciples of TB Joshua they will also speak good things about their leader nah! |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:32am On Jan 20 |
OLAADEGBU: If you do then follow the scriptural procedures for judging matters not what the crowd are saying! Exodus 23:1-2 |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:41am On Jan 20 |
MaxInDHouse: That explains why you will always gravitate towards an organisation that does not take God's word on face value but will have to twist it to suit its own evil agenda. |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:42am On Jan 20 |
MaxInDHouse: I knew you couldn't say you trust the validity of the Bible because if you did you would have believed the power of eyewitnesses in establishing a fact. |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 7:50am On Jan 20 |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:58am On Jan 20 |
OLAADEGBU: Explain how scriptural it is for complainants of different cases to judge a man having millions of admirers and followers throughout the earth! |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:04am On Jan 20 |
OLAADEGBU: Guy you don't even know the meaning of that word "EYEWITNESSES" they are not those making complaints rather independent as in unbiased witnesses who will say they were present when the accused wronged the complainant not the complainant herself! For instance if someone said "Kumuyi is a witch, he killed my son" that is a complainant then the eyewitness must be someone who will testify by narrating how it happend in his or her presence. Abeg you guys know nothing about the law neither do you understand God's word you're just following the crowd with emotions and that doesn't judge anyone! |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:08am On Jan 20 |
MaxInDHouse: How does a judge establish the facts in a court case? |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:13am On Jan 20 |
MaxInDHouse: Those ex disciples are not making a complaint they are just telling sharing what they experienced in the synagogue of satan. They are telling the BBC what they saw, felt, tasted and experienced. Not them say. They are first hand witnesses as to the atrocities going on in that dungeon. Don't get your facts mixed up. |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:19am On Jan 20 |
OLAADEGBU:The judge must follow the procedure according to the law not emotions or what the different complainants are saying. A complainant must stand out then witnesses must be present to attest to the case that's why each case has it's number they don't just muddle it all up as evidence to judge the accused. All those complainants you're showing are standing each for a single case which should be thoroughly investigated and witnesses should speak as eyewitnesses stating what happened, how it happened, when it happened and what they're doing at the spot that very moment. That's how cases are established in the court of law! |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:21am On Jan 20 |
OLAADEGBU:While millions throughout the world are saying the accused is a man of God! So they need to do better than that! |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:33am On Jan 20 |
MaxInDHouse: As I said before. The ex disciples are not complainants they are telling their stories, their truth as they see it. If you or your fellow cultists feel aggrieved or defamed then you can take BBC to court. Otherwise you deserve the right to remain quiet. |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:35am On Jan 20 |
MaxInDHouse: I dare you and your millions to take BBC to court if you feel their stories are not accurate! |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:35am On Jan 20 |
OLAADEGBU:Let BBC come and close SCOAN in Nigeria nah their stories are just hilarious to intelligent people who knows how to investigate matters professionally! |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:36am On Jan 20 |
OLAADEGBU:Just as Jesus' disciples took first century Jews to court shey? De play! |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:23am On Jan 20 |
MaxInDHouse: You meant to say their stories are just hilarious to brainwashed deluded people who know how not to investigate matters in their own prison yards. |
Re: TB Joshua: 'We Thought It Was Heaven But Then Terrible Things Happened' by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:31am On Jan 20 |
MaxInDHouse: Do you know what is evidential in the court of law? OLAADEGBU: The first hand account may not matter to cultists but it plays a big part in a court of law. If you cultists feel aggrieved then please head to court to plead your case. |
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