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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 3:01pm On Feb 04 |
TenQ:Table it here let analysis.. If we show you wrong things in the bible will you admit.. |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 3:58pm On Feb 04 |
honesttalk21:Really! If you are correct, then everyone is a child of God. Or do you think it takes a special power to become a child of God? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 4:02pm On Feb 04 |
Expanse2020:According to both Allah and your prophet, the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it. Qur'an 18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." If this correctly stated by Allah? Then please respond to this question Please what is the name of the tribe or nation in history that lives beside this murky water 1 Like |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 4:04pm On Feb 04 |
Expanse2020:What is a Spirit? If you don't understand correctly what the Spirit is, how can you comprehend whatever I say to you? Until you cross this bridge, you are lost! What is a Spirit according to the Qur'an? 1 Like |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 4:10pm On Feb 04 |
Expanse2020:1. The God of the Christians and Jews never put a challenge of authenticity to the Bible anywhere in it 2. Your Allah either seem to be ignorant of the book in our hands or he assumed it to be correct Therefore, are you correcting the assumption of Allah? I have given you one from the Qur'an as it take just one error to disprove the Allah that wrote the Qur'an. Again : The Holy Spirit doesn't write nor does He dictate, He tells Moses to write: and Moses will write according to his own understanding and style of writing. Unlike Allah who wrote the Qur'an in a tablet in heaven. And sent Jibril to dictate to Mohammed and not even one diacritical mark is different in the Qur'an you have in your hands. Just one error is enough to disprove that the Quran is NOT from God the Creator! Again: Like the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it. Qur'an 18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." If this correctly stated by Allah? Then please respond to this question Please what is the tribe or nation in history that lives beside the murky water where the sun sets? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 5:39pm On Feb 04 |
TenQ: What trybe or nation is Noah ,Lot , and Abraham too |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 5:42pm On Feb 04 |
TenQ: According to a christian, a spirit is a being on his own and you said he tell Moses, Abraham and other's what to do and I said show me in the bible where Moses and spirit interact or where spirit to Moses, Abraham, Jacob, what to do |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by SIRTee15: 5:51pm On Feb 04 |
Expanse2020: Forget about the argument re Jesus calling God father. U are too intellectually inept to debate such matter. Just tell me who is dhu al qarnayn. |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 5:58pm On Feb 04 |
[quote author=TenQ post=128285667] According to both Allah and your prophet, the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it. Qur'an 18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." Because of your cunny way, I will post what is on the page here Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." So if they said a place where sunset your brain should tell you it's west side he referred too And I have explain sunset for though the mulky way how it look like and I sent pictures to you so that if you don't the mean when you see the pictures you will understand it but you are decieving yourself only |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 6:04pm On Feb 04 |
SIRTee15: How did you want me to forget about that when the bible said so.. Dhul-Qarnayn, is Great leader, a warrior mentioned in the Quran those who have dwell on Earth before the prophets |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 6:13pm On Feb 04 |
TenQ: We cannot follow you to entertain a gross disrespect in saying Allah who is above all things can bear a child or pseudo bear one. It is best to grant Allah appropriate honour of uniqueness the sole creator and suatainer of all. |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 6:18pm On Feb 04 |
Expanse2020:Abraham and Lot are from Ur Gen 11:31: "And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came to Haran, and dwelled there." At the time of Noah, the earth was of one language and there were no tribes. Cities and tribes came AFTER the flood. Gen 5:29: "And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD has cursed." Now that I have answered you, can you. please answer my questions. Again to my question highlighted in yellow : According to Allah, the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it. Qur'an 18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." If this correctly stated by Allah? Then please respond to this question Please what is the tribe or nation in history that lives beside the murky water where the sun sets? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 6:21pm On Feb 04 |
Expanse2020:My Question was simple: we Christians know what the spirit is. I ask you, According to Islam: What is a Spirit? If you don't understand correctly what the Spirit is, how can you comprehend whatever I say to you? 1 Like |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 6:27pm On Feb 04 |
TenQ:Ur is a name of city not trybe Like calling Lagos a trybe in Nigeria check your fact very well... As for Noah to they should have their trybe with them whether they a nation or not |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Lawag3: 6:31pm On Feb 04 |
Expanse2020: Yeah God is interested in your love life 😇. The same songs of Solomon talks about not awaking love until it's ready several times. And it doesn't teach anyone how to fiddle with ladies. |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 6:32pm On Feb 04 |
TenQ: Expanse2020:1. According to the direct word of Allah, Is it untrue that Allah says that Dhulqanain reached the setting place of the sun? Did did he also appear to reach the setting place of the sun? 2. Did Allah says he found it AS IF the sun was setting in a pool of muddy water? 3. Let us assume that Dhuqhanain was seeing the sunset of the sun, Did Dhuqhanain also APPEAR to see a people there? You don't get it. The sun set anywhere you see it is the farthest you can see: did he see a people on an island so far away into the horizon? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 6:35pm On Feb 04 |
Expanse2020:Are you not a Nigerian? Is Nigeria not a country? Or Nigeria is a tribe? Come on, answer my question |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 6:37pm On Feb 04 |
TenQ: "And among His Signs is this that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your [hearts]: verily in that are Signs for those who reflect" (Quran, Ar-Rum 30:21) Does this not encourage the fundamental Islamic belief regarding the peaceful and loving nature of a marriage, rooted in consent and understanding between partners. Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how you will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah (Al-Baqarah: 223).The phrase ‘but do some good act for your souls beforehand’ refers to the importance of pre-intimacy in increasing interest and making the matter easier. The most perfect of believers are those most perfect in character; and the best amongst you are the best of you to your spouses.’ (Sunan al-Tirmidhi 1162) |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 6:42pm On Feb 04 |
honesttalk21:Did you not say we Christians misunderstood the term child of God!? Did you not say : Pointing out the reason of misunderstanding by Christians in not knowing the context of the phrase child of God. I said: If you are correct, then everyone is a child of God. Or do you think it takes a special power to become a child of God? Meaning you are wrong unless you can explain your quote and then answer my question |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:01pm On Feb 04 |
TenQ:Am talking about the trybe of Noah And then Melchizedek in the bible " So when you answer it will proceed to give you my answer |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 7:05pm On Feb 04 |
honesttalk21:Tell me, is having sex with a prepubescent married child in Islam a wicked or a good act? According to (Al-Baqarah: 223): Who determines what you do with your prepubescent married child in Islam? Is it not about how you the pedophile husband will; Did Allah tell Mohammed that an eight year old girl is mature enough for penetration with his adult sized fathering instrument? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 7:14pm On Feb 04 |
Expanse2020:Do you admit you are very Dishonest? Here was your original question and it was answered perfectly Expanse2020:Now, you add Melchizedek!? Now that I have answered your initial question completely , can you. please answer my questions. Except your TRUE objective is to find a way to avoid answering my questions Again to my question highlighted in yellow : According to Allah, the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it. Qur'an 18:86 Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." If this correctly stated by Allah? Then please respond to this question Please what is the tribe or nation in history that lives beside the murky water where the sun sets? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 7:22pm On Feb 04 |
TenQ: You can interpret it to what you like. My point is what the phrase child of God pertains to. What does it pertain to? honesttalk21: Being a child of God is complying with the covenant and thus following the commands, worshipping and upholding righteous conduct as prescribed by God. You repeatedly choose which to follow and neglect. Romans 12:18, if it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. (Apparently this isn't possible for you) You lay claim to being encouraged to preach the word (your word as a Christian) but does it tell you to force your word? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:30pm On Feb 04 |
TenQ:You never travel across the globe...to see how sun set in different regions with time... According to event, He travelled far to end o south ,north, east, where there is only mountain no one living around there and He described the sun how it's set as if it entered the muldy or mulky sea... Now is saw some people oppressed group of people. Then he built a dam/fence with iron and copper ore / extract.... Then to our surprised now lately last year the scientist come out that they discovered lost Antarctica for like centuries The Antarctica only have mountains, sea but nobody leave there Another surprised there is a red seas in the Antarctica and scientist discovered that iron particles are the caused of the sea to turn red.. But am not mandating it that is where Magog lived before you twisted it again.. Mr twister |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:37pm On Feb 04 |
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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:39pm On Feb 04 |
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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:41pm On Feb 04 |
TenQ:Nigeria is a Nation not city But ur is a city not nation or trybe |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 8:22pm On Feb 04 |
TenQ: Kindly tell where Aisha complained about her relations her husband. I believe this is most important or any ailment she experienced due to her marriage. There alone is there a problem otherwise don't interfere with the dealings of a couple outside yours. |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 8:36pm On Feb 04 |
@SirTee15 No responses to these: Showing how abd is slave and servant contrary to your assertion. honesttalk21: SIRTee15: Is the answer undergoing review and certification ? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by SIRTee15: 9:18pm On Feb 04 |
AntiChristian: Show me where the Israelites men had sex with small girls and divorced them. We dealing with facts here. Nothing in the verse said they married them as teenagers. A good example is 2 kings 5.2 where Naaman had a young Israelites girl for himself. Did he married her or turned her into a sex slave. Not every tribe have a depraved mindset like the writers of the Koran. 2 Now bands of raiders from Aram had gone out and had taken captive a young girl from Israel, and she served Naaman’s wife. 3 She said to her mistress, “If only my master would see the prophet who is in Samaria! He would cure him of his leprosy.” Now back to my question. Since there's no age bracket in islam for a girl to get married. Are u saying it's ok for Qasim to get married to your 8 yr old daughter and after a year divorce her if he's tired of her. Are u saying it's ok in islam for expanse2020 to get married to a 9 yr old girl and then divorce her 6 monthis later of she's caught in 'adultery'. Are U saying it's ok in Islam for you antichristian to get married to a 10 yr old girl according to Sharia and then have her punished according to Sharia law if she's caught in adultery- which could be stoning to death. Are U saying all the above is ok in islam and according to Koran? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by SIRTee15: 9:32pm On Feb 04 |
Expanse2020: Honesttalk is already dealing with it and really struggling even though is quite an intelligent guy. Trust me U can't do any better, let him handle it. Tell me who is dhul-qarnayn in history. Where can we know about him history. Who is he?, where is he from, what's the name of his empire, which people Did he conquer. Any archeological or historical record outside of the Koran to corroborate he is indeed a mighty warrior. Why is he called 2 horned man? That's what I'm interested in, not what's written about him in the Koran which could all be an imagination fabrication of Muhammed. Remember it was the Jews that asked Muhammed about dhul-qarnayn, so this man must be well known outside the Koran and outside the islamic narrative/source. At least modern day Jews should know about him. cc honesttalk 1 Like |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by SIRTee15: 9:39pm On Feb 04 |
honesttalk21: Didache was written in 50AD. This put it b4 the written gospels. The first one, gospel of Mark was written in 65AD. In case u dont know, there was oral gospel that was recited by early Christians b4 it was written. So dont think early church writings quoted from the gospel letters when they were writing. No, they simply wrote down the gospel people were reciting. Anyway I will give u evidence from writings that are not in our gospel letters. All are excerpts from 1st century Christian writings. Sophia of Jesus Christ Didache Eugnostos the blessed And then the The Jewish Mishnah. 1 Like
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