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Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Lucifyre: 9:00pm On Feb 10 |
In the vast expanse of Christian scriptures, amidst the intricate narratives of creation, prophecy, and salvation, there exists a notable absence β the explicit mention of planets. While the Bible which was divinely inspired to the extents of crafting how everything came to be, the celestial bodies known as planets are conspicuously absent from its pages. Why is that?? Why does Christianity, with its profound theological depth and breadth, lack explicit references to planets? which God also created by the way. From the Genesis account of creation to the apocalyptic visions of Revelation, the Bible unfolds a narrative that delves into the depths of human existence and the divine plan. Yet, amidst this exploration of the cosmos, planets as astronomical entities remain notably unaddressed. The creation story doesn't tell us when any of the planets where created or why. If it was divinely inspired wouldn't it have featured basicallly how and what time God created the planets?? maybe even the asteroids and black holes. But all these are noticeably absent all through despite the divine inspiration. The absence stands in contrast to other religious traditions, some even older, where planets, play significant roles in cosmological narratives and religious symbolism. I Was recently reading a version of the sumerian recently, about the aliens( Enllil, Enki) from the planet Nibiru it got me thinking. Even in Greek mythology, planets are personified as gods and goddesses governing various aspects of existence. So once again why does Christianity, with its profound theological depth and breadth, divine inspiration lack explicit references to planets? Maybe there are theological reasons which could answer this but i very much doubt it. My pov?! These people where simply limited by what they knew and saw at the time and crafted a narrative around it. Heck the writers of the story of babel believed they could use their limited technology at the time to build a tower and it'll reach God. We've built way taller structures and that's putting it lightly and we still haven't reached the skies. Heck we've even travelled past the skies using other means and found way more phenomenal stuff like planets, asteroids, blackholes, solar systems that they couldn't comprehend then due to obvious limitations ergo they weren't part of the narrative or story. If divinely inspired, these limitations ought not to exist and these phenomenons ought to have been added to the creation story. Or maybe there's a theological pov, but i doubt it. Why the doubt?! Because even when men of science without divine inspiration found out these phenomenons and proposed their theories (heliocentricity) which later became fact, the divinely inspired church which ought to have known by the divine fought against it with its own, now proven wrong theory (geocentricism, where they believed the sun stood still). Even going as far as persecuting and forcing those who found the truth of what we now know today to recant their theories. This was until they finally admitted they were wrong and accepted fact. Shouldn't the church have known the right reality of things first since it's divinely inspired?? Shouldn't the divinely inspired texts also have featured these later discoveries. So i end with saying again why does Christianity, with its profound theological depth and breadth, divine inspiration lack explicit references to planets and other celestial bodies apart from what was visible to the naked eyes as at then?? Why aren't they featured in the creation story?? 1 Like |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by incogni2o: 9:42pm On Feb 10 |
1. The Bible mentioned the Sun, Earth, The Stars and thierconstellations, The Planets aren't more significant than the Stars. we have billions of planets out of which only Earth is known to have Life. Isn't that fare enough to prove the Genesis story? Let me add some references 1. Job 9:9 Who makes the Bear, Orion and the Pleiades, And the chambers of the south; 2. Job 38:31 βCan you bind the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion? 3. Amos 5:8 He who made the Pleiades and Orion And changes deep darkness into morning, Who also darkens day into night, Who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the surface of the earth, The Lord is His name. 4. Isaiah 13:10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not flash forth their light; The sun will be dark when it rises And the moon will not shed its light. 2. The Bible mention the Heavens and the Earth Why do you think Heavens is Plural here but Earth is singular? 3. God gave us all these puzzles to solve and make life interesting for us. He knows all already. The Bible isn't more of a. Encyclopedia but rather is more focused on Man's redemption from the fall to Sin, than giving account of how many planets or solar systems are up there. even see the naive Job when God was answering him Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? If you want to know more, study more, Don't become conceited with the much you know and not humbled by the many more you don't know. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. 1Cor8:1 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Lucifyre: 10:40pm On Feb 10 |
incogni2o:Comprehension seems to be an issue here π€¦π½ ...So i end with saying again why does Christianity, with its profound theological depth and breadth, divine inspiration lack explicit references to planets and other celestial bodies apart from what was visible to the naked eyes as at then?? Why aren't they featured in the creation story?? Last i checked all those mentioned ( stars and their constellations) are visible to the naked eyes ergo feature in the story but those that aren't visible well, you know... obviously dont. Wheres the divine inspiration.Those examples do nothing to even begin to answer the question. "The Bible is more focused on Man's redemption from the fall to Sin, than telling you how many planets or solar systems are up there." Ehmm.. about that. It literally gives a supposed "literal narration" of the creation of the world. Simple question is why were key components left out?? Why remove needed instrumental voices out of a symphony?? Read and comprehend before quoting what proves my point. lol! 2 Likes |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by incogni2o: 10:28am On Feb 11 |
Lucifyre: Of what importance is mentioning Mercury, or Venus, or Pluto (which Scientists are disqualifying for not meeting up with the criteria of being a Planet). Do you know how many celestial bodies orbit the Sun and you say none of them is visible from earth? The Planets aren't visible to the naked Eyes? Your physics teacher obviously didn't teach you to that point. Mercury, Venus, Mars,Jupiter, Saturn or Callisto - Jupiter's moon aren't visible to the naked eyes? Of what importance is mentioning the celestial bodies when no form of life is found in any of them? Seems you are actually insincere with your Ask. |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 10:41am On Feb 11 |
Lucifyre: This thread answers you. https://www.nairaland.com/7988724/moon-shrinking-researchers-reveal-reasons#128247191 11:20am On Feb 02 What is our problem if the moon is shrinking. (Quote) (Report) 22 Likes (Like) 4 Shares (Share) Proudly Chicago University Re: Moon Is Shrinking, And Researchers Reveal Reasons by WayStage(m): 11:56am On Feb 02 Moon is shrinking? Who observe am abeg? Wetin concern the observer? (Quote) (Report) 16 Likes (Like) 2 Shares (Share) Re: Moon Is Shrinking, And Researchers Reveal Reasons by ironheart(m): 11:56am On Feb 02 Na dollar dey worry us. We never eat well to think of moon (Quote) (Report) 18 Likes (Like) 3 Shares (Share) Re: Moon Is Shrinking, And Researchers Reveal Reasons by Vlibray: 11:56am On Feb 02 Wetin we dey find for moon π |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by LordReed(m): 1:43pm On Feb 11 |
Lucifyre: The fact is all human works are limited by the extent of human knowledge. If the Bible were just written today, it would include mentions of DNA, black holes and other scientific discoveries. Alas it was written in the times when the knowledge of the universe had not advanced and so all the characters in the book could only speak with the voice of that limitation. Today ask any believer if their god can reveal any specific information that they are not already privy to and watch them mumble some tired apologetic. |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Lucifyre: 2:34pm On Feb 11 |
incogni2o: Like i earlier stated comprhension seems to be a big task for you or you are being purposefully obtuse and thats sad. So let me ELI5 for you so you can maybe come up to speed. "Of what importance is mentioning Mercury, or Venus, or Pluto (which Scientists are disqualifying for not meeting up with the criteria of being a Planet). Its news to me mecury and venus are no longer planets, not on my internet space at least. Maybe you educate me with some fact checking articles, what do you say?? The bible narrates how the world was formed and you ask me of what importance are the vital elements of that world that were left of the narration. If you can't realise how dense that question makes you look im sorry. Who narrates a story and leaves out key chapters and elements in that story.?? What developer presents his software and leaves out the slides discussing the UI/UX??What chef talks through her recipe and leaves out key elements that make up that recipe?? What conductor, conducts an orchestra with key instruments missing?? "Do you know how many celestial bodies orbit the Sun and you say none of them is visible from earth? The Planets aren't visible to the naked Eyes?" Told you, you've clearly got comprehension issues and it's more severe than i first thought. Please point me to where i said that (1st sentence). Can you see Uranus with your naked eyes or you got telescopes for eyes?? maybe if you bend down but i doubt u can see that far. You can look up with ur naked eyes and point me uranus in the skies?? I love to have your eyes then. "Your physics teacher obviously didn't teach you to that point. Mercury, Venus, Mars,Jupiter, Saturn or Callisto - Jupiter's moon aren't visible to the naked eyes?" They are visible if youve got context. Now i think you're been purposefully obtuse. That's the point i made all along that they aren't visible to the naked eyes considering the conext of the time period ergo those who wrote the bible couldn't see them and include them in the stories. The divine that was to help them out as the story is divinely written also failed to tell them of that vital part. Same point i made earlier and you making me repeat myself. And its news to me the nuances of astronomy are taught in physics, i always thought they were taught in something called astronomy. Then again maybe you're from a public school and things are different there. If you don't know what a lexus is and have never seen one and a friend takes you to a point far off and across from a parking lot with toyotas and lexuses anf then asks you what you see. You'd say toyotas of course. "Of what importance is mentioning the celestial bodies when no form of life is found in any of them?" Are u having a laugh?? You showed me scriptures mentioning celestial bodies above. Why mention those ones mentioned in the quoted scriptures since no form of life is found on them?? lol! Or weren't you the one that quoted those scriptures up there with celestial bodies mentioned?? |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Lucifyre: 2:41pm On Feb 11 |
LordReed: Nail on the head, apt as fvck, simple as ABC. If the story was divinely inspired it'll mention all these things as the divine would reveal it but its not ergo limited by the extent of human knowledge as yoy said. They thought a building was going to reach God in the sky for crying out loud... Limited by knowledge, quite simple. |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Jokerman(m): 2:57pm On Feb 11 |
All these atheistical dumb questions. The Bible is not written as a science book... What matters from the Bible is that you know who God is, how to live your life as God wants it and His purpose of salvation |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by incogni2o: 3:06pm On Feb 11 |
Lucifyre: I guess you'll say with comprehension problem, I also have a problem with passing my points across Firstly I mean't Pluto has been disqualified for being a planet but as a dwarf planet. moreto that, we have 5 dwarf planets in the solar system. Point being that Planet is a Scientific word for celestial bodies that meet up to a certain criteria. 1. It must orbit a star (in our cosmic neighborhood, the Sun). 2. It must be big enough to have enough gravity to force it into a spherical shape. 3. It must be big enough that its gravity has cleared away any other objects of a similar size near its orbit around the Sun. Sorry about my harshness about your physics teacher, My own Physics teacher was that knowledgable though now google has some more knowledge about astronomy, see below
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Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Lucifyre: 3:13pm On Feb 11 |
incogni2o: It was an error and made a mistake emphasizing my point, had already edited my comment to reflect that. Point still stands, its quite simple really. Agreed about pluto. I don't see how delving into the semantics of what a planet is drives ur point across or even furtherπ |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Lucifyre: 3:18pm On Feb 11 |
Jokerman: First off im not an atheist to ask " atheistical" questions. Secondly if its not a science book, it shouldn't pretend to be one and then give us a certain pov that crumbles like water to tissue paper under simple facts and logic. Quite simple. |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Lucifyre: 3:29pm On Feb 11 |
Dtruthspeaker: This funny guy... Please how does this serve any purpose in relation to the above?? If you're referring me to the comments, the fact ones circumstances exercerbates the need to wallow in ignorance doesn't mean its applicable to all. Situations differ. |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Jokerman(m): 3:35pm On Feb 11 |
Lucifyre: Please Sir, the Bible never pretended to be a science book. The Bible is the word of God |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Lucifyre: 3:40pm On Feb 11 |
Jokerman: I totally get where you're coming from but here's my case, if it's solely the word of God shouldn't it be free from plot holes and contradictions? |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by chieveboy(m): 3:45pm On Feb 11 |
Dtruthspeaker: Amazing. The spiritual walk is an active path and not a passive one. You want to "seek knowledge in all thy seeking" so that you don't go about cause nuisance online by labeling people and things you don't know as demonic or wicked. Ignorance is actually what's wicked...its the motor that drives your engine, hence you can't stand any form of information beyond the Bible. This reminds me of how the parable of the sower is actually on this exact type of Christians. Left to you, you will stop all others making any effort of finding why they are on earth. How you believe all chapters are closed on life in the Bible and how you attack others actively pursuing the spiritual life beyond the limited pages of Luke and Paul in form of science, mysticism and even Atheism is really a folly. |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 3:51pm On Feb 11 |
Lucifyre: They all show and prove how unimportant and grossly irrelevant they are no matter how anyone tries to sell it. |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 3:54pm On Feb 11 |
chieveboy: And the topic isnt about earth. |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by chieveboy(m): 3:55pm On Feb 11 |
Dtruthspeaker: Lol, you obviously didn't get that statement. |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 3:57pm On Feb 11 |
Lucifyre: It is free from contradictions reflecting the material substamces which prove a fact is True |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Lucifyre: 6:44pm On Feb 11 |
Dtruthspeaker: A simple litmus test then. Remember our debacle where u were waffling about God changing his mind?? Ill ask you just two questions. 1. Does God change his mind?? 2. Can a man see God/ Has any man seen God? Lets begin with this 2. |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 4:16pm On Feb 12 |
Lucifyre: 1). Yes, He does 2). Yes, a man can see God and many people did see God. 1 Like |
Re: Cosmic Silence: The Absence Of Planetary Mention In Christianity by Lucifyre: 7:44pm On Feb 12 |
Dtruthspeaker: Fair enough. Can u provide bible verses to back it? |
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