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Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by khattab02: 4:38pm On Feb 23 |
mikeapollo:so because u ruled a place for a time u had right to claim it? Let extend the analogy The British ruled Nigeria, India and other places for a long time, do they have the right to reclaim as their own? Muslim ruled Spain for 800 years, do they have the right to reclaim it now because their fore fore fathers ruled it? The Dutch ruled Indonesia for 500 years, do they have the right to reclaim it as their own now if they all had the powers? 1 Like |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by khattab02: 4:40pm On Feb 23 |
System202:try to be civil please. Don't be like Dem. 1 Like |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by TheBillyonaire: 4:41pm On Feb 23 |
In essence, we are talking about Human Tax Farms. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by khattab02: 4:43pm On Feb 23 |
tctrills:Ok, but mentioning them doesn't not translate to land ownership. They have been moving from places to places in that region. It doesn't translate to their sole ownership. What of when they lived in Egypt? That's the point |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by siraj1402(m): 4:45pm On Feb 23 |
UnstableFC:May you never have a successful ending. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by tctrills: 4:46pm On Feb 23 |
khattab02:Living in Egypt precceded the formation of Israel. If you are dependent on the religious records, clearly the children of Israel had sole ownership of the land for more than a thousand years. In fact, they onwed a land much bigger than modern Israel in landmass. But then contemporary history and archeology also shows that the land belonged to the house of Israel. Please read the records of Titus Flavius Josephus (36-100 CE) to learn more. Islam was not even form by this time. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by Opintiwa: 4:52pm On Feb 23 |
khattab02: Taqyiya lover Oh so now you have agreed isreal ruled the place before? U and all Mohamudeen head slammers must respect the one true God And his name is yaweh , he made it clear to never attack his favourite child (isreal) Bear the consequences you see |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by Opintiwa: 4:52pm On Feb 23 |
siraj1402: Shatap and stop cracking like a toad |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by tctrills: 4:54pm On Feb 23 |
DeepSight:Before I forget, would you love to read some historic records about the land? Please read the records of the historian Titus Flavius Josephus (36-100 CE). By this time, no Arab lived in the land. And Mohamed was not yet born. It's purely historical records not religious to know how long the Jewish presence have been in that land. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by Opintiwa: 4:54pm On Feb 23 |
khattab02: They lived in Egypt and agreed that they were in captivity as slaves . Did you see them drag Egypt? Okay Mr professor tell me where are the Jews from? Air ? Sea? They just appeared without any root nothing nothing Boom just like that |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by DeepSight(m): 4:58pm On Feb 23 |
tctrills: The modern State of Israel is a creation of the United Nations, arising from the British Mandate over Palestine. After the Second World War it was decided that the Jews needed a permanent place to call home given their horrible persecution in Europe, which had in fact gone on for centuries but became most noticeable with the Nazi implemented holocaust. At this time, Palestine had already been occupied for centuries by the Arabs we now call Palestinians and it was home to them since the time of the Crusades. This was because Jews had become scattered across the world after the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Now since Israel was a creation of the United Nations, it cannot deny the instruments and resolutions of the United Nations in the matter of its legitimacy and boundaries. And in that regard, several attempts have been made to make peace between the Jews and the Palestinians. In that process, Israel has won a number of wars and in fairness to them, some of these were started by Arabs but won by Israel - as a consequence of which Israel expanded its territory. However the rapprochements which have been made since are clear on the fact that the Palestinians also have every right to self determination. Contrary to this spirit, Israel has conducted expansion into the West Bank, continuously taking over land clearly reserved by all negotiating parties for the Palestinians. The United Nations has repeatedly declared the West Bank Settlements illegal however Israel simply does not stop. It gates out the Palestinians in their own land and holds Gaza as a hostage territory. It allows no imports without its permission and it guards the borders of Gaza in such a way that it has since been called the world's largest open air prison. They have virtually enslaved the Palestinians and denied them liberty so much so that both Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu recognized what Israel was doing as apartheid, and this is the basis of South Africa's long standing support for Palestine, because they see what was done to them being done to the Palestinians. If you have a chance to watch a thorough documentary on what is being done to the Palestinians in the West Bank, you will weep for them. There is no way you can treat a people like that and expect that there will be no fight back, and of course when there is a fight back you then call it terrorism. This is the same way Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist by the apartheid government of South Africa and kept on the terrorism watchlist of the United States up till 2008. Stop being so one-sided and supporting Israel on account of your religious bias which they dont even give a damn about. The Palestinians are a captive people, and they are the weaker people in this long conflict. Israel is supported by the powers that be, the USA, the UK and most of Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. Palestine is a small impoverished captive state being violently oppressed and cheated and if you have a human heart, you should also sympathize with them instead of always rooting for the bully. What you are doing is no different from supporting the slave masters during the slave trade, or the white minority apartheid government of South Africa during apartheid. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by zoomman(m): 4:59pm On Feb 23 |
Austineva:Make Dem kuku take over all the Palestinians and go over and take Iran, Jordan and Egypt. Useless set of people, land grabber's supported by criminals. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by Procashtips(m): 5:02pm On Feb 23 |
mikeapollo: It's written in some historical books that Mungo Park discovered River Niger. Do you believe he did and was River Niger missing? As for asking me to mention names of kings from Palestine. Isn't that funny? You're obviously not reading my comment or maybe not corresponding. Do you know that some people in Palestine are ethnic Jews, Samaritan, Judea etc? Do you know the difference between Ethnic Jews and European Jews? Ever heard of Sephardi Jews, Mizrahi Jews, Ashkenazi Jews? If yes, can you describe them? |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by Opintiwa: 5:02pm On Feb 23 |
DeepSight: Before the Jews were scattered across Europe and different parts of the world including Persia present day Iran . Please where did the migrate from ? Did they happen to give birth to a Jew in Canada, a Jew in usa, a Jew in London , a Jew in Syria without an ancestral home ? Or the sperm used in giving birth to those Jews scattered across were all way billed? |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by khattab02: 5:03pm On Feb 23 |
TheBillyonaire:yeah. And this is strategy. U win a war, u conquer and claim the land. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by Spe23: 5:07pm On Feb 23 |
mikeapollo: The fact that the Israelites used the land for years doesn't mean the land belongs to them. From scientific and historical point of view, that land belongs to the Palestinians. According to Bible, the Israelites met Canaanites on that land. Canaanites were the original owner of the land. When the Israelites got there, they committed genocide on Canaanites. They killed every living thing there according to the Bible narration. The Bible actually commanded them to do so. After killing all the Canaanites they met on the land, of course, they occupied the land and started living there. Other civilizations and kingdoms like Roman Empire, later conquered the land from Israelites. Now, from scientific point of view, the DNA of the present day Palestinians matches that of the Canaanites by 85% to 90%. The children generations of the Canaanites killed by Israelites still found there way back to their fore-fathers' land. In conclusion, the present day Palestinians are the decendants of Canaanites. Therefore, they are the owner of the land. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by dettolgel: 5:07pm On Feb 23 |
khattab02: First who was ruling Nigeria before the British took over? Technically they are the first to conquered and unite it into one entity. For Spain there were world power there before Muslim wrestle out and took over. So we have to move back to the first mover and not the Muslim. For Indonesia if the Dutch was the first to conquered them then by his argument the Dutch should have it otherwise whichever power was there before the Dutch should have it. I agree with you that no one should make a case based on who previously ruled a place. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by DeepSight(m): 5:09pm On Feb 23 |
Opintiwa: Oh, of course they migrated from the Roman Province of Palestine. However, using that as justification for their rights to the land would be far worse than saying that today, Native Americans have a right to kick out all other settlers in America, including whites and blacks. Or that Australian Aborigenes have a right to kick out all white Australians. You see, the point is, right to land is established through possession over long periods of time. So when those Jews had become a diaspora all over the world for 2000 years, it would be absurd to then state that their descendants own the land despite the fact that many conquests had occurred in the lapsed time, and much migration and settlement of other peoples had transpired. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by ViceGovernor: 5:14pm On Feb 23 |
KnownUnknown:L ๐ L Nobody born of a woman on God's green earth can wipe out Israel....many have tried and all have failed. Look at history and you will see the future, or you can keep letting evil thoughts against Israel occupy your mind it will consume you in the end |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by COOL10(m): 5:16pm On Feb 23 |
God stands with Israel. Anyone who stands against them risks the inevitability of getting squashed like their predecessors. Am Yisrael Chai ๐ช๐๐ |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by Opintiwa: 5:17pm On Feb 23 |
DeepSight: Ma dude , they are archeological evidence on ground live and direct to tell you isreal not only ruled there . Isreal lived and prosperd there. There are ruin cities live and direct to tell you when isreal was conquered and they fled hence the Europe and other part stuff. Click on my moniker search for my comments on isreal matter. I love in isreal, I don't pay school fees for my 2 kids it's free completly . Library here is free , read you history I am telling you from physical archeological evidence not what you watch on YouTube or what someone say. Isreal is the true owners of the mother fucking land , those Arabs are invaders. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by gloryman91: 5:19pm On Feb 23 |
Lanatulahi Aleyi on Israel. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by Opintiwa: 5:19pm On Feb 23 |
COOL10: Am yisrael chai |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by DeepSight(m): 5:20pm On Feb 23 |
Opintiwa: Just like Europeans in North America are invaders and the real owners are Native Americans right? Australia nko? Obviously my words were lost on you. And mark you, Native Americans and Australian Aborigenes are actually authentic indigenes unlike the Jews who stole the land from Canaanites. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by DeepSight(m): 5:22pm On Feb 23 |
COOL10: So your God is racist? He is partial and sides with one tribe against others right? Will you shattap at once and go to the wall, kneel down and raise up your hands. Immediately! And remain like that till midnight. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by tctrills: 5:23pm On Feb 23 |
[quote author=DeepSight post=128610278] The modern State of Israel is a creation of the United Nations, arising from the British Mandate over Palestine. After the Second World War it was decided that the Jews needed a permanent place to call home given their horrible persecution in Europe, which had in fact gone on for centuries but became most noticeable with the Nazi implemented holocaust. Not wrong but then even before then, the British empire who owned the land at that time had agreed to give the land to Israel in 1917. The Balfour Declaration. At this time, Palestine had already been occupied for centuries by the Arabs we now call Palestinians and it was home to them since the time of the Crusades. This was because Jews had become scattered across the world after the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Partly correct. By 1947, Jews made up 30% of the population of Palestine. Many of those Jews have been living there for centuries, even longer than the Arab occupation. Not all or most Jews but many Jews. Now since Israel was a creation of the United Nations, it cannot deny the instruments and resolutions of the United Nations in the matter of its legitimacy and boundaries. And in that regard, several attempts have been made to make peace between the Jews and the Palestinians. In that process, Israel has won a number of wars and in fairness to them, some of these were started by Arabs but won by Israel - as a consequence of which Israel expanded its territory. The Arabs never agreed to the UN mandate in the first place. If the Arabs have won, you would not have one Jew in the land. Israel won and yet we still have Arabs. 20% of the population of modern Israel is made up of Arabs. We even have an Arab in the supreme court. [b]However the rapprochements which have been made since are clear on the fact that the Palestinians also have every right to self determination. Contrary to this spirit, Israel has conducted expansion into the West Bank, continuously taking over land clearly reserved by all negotiating parties for the Palestinians. The United Nations has repeatedly declared the West Bank Settlements illegal however Israel simply does not stop. It gates out the Palestinians in their own land and holds Gaza as a hostage territory. It allows no imports without its permission and it guards the borders of Gaza in such a way that it has since been called the world's largest open air prison. They have virtually enslaved the Palestinians and denied them liberty so much so that both Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu recognized what Israel was doing as apartheid, and this is the basis of South Africa's long standing support for Palestine, because they see what was done to them being done to the Palestinians. If you have a chance to watch a thorough documentary on what is being done to the Palestinians in the West Bank, you will weep for them.[/b] Few things here. First all the land was legally given to Israel by the legal owners the British empire in 1917. 2. The Arabs only aim was to kick the Jews from the land so they have zero moral justification when same is done to them. 3. More than 800,000 Jews were kicked out from other Arab countries since 1948 hence the Jews have a right to settle there people in captured land. Today, we don't have people like you fighting for the Jews to reclaim their lands in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan etc. 4.The Jews can choose to disobey the UN resolution as it is non binding. They are not legally bound to it. 5. Israel has agreed to a 2 state solution many many times. The last was presented by Trump in 2020. The Palestinians always refused. 6. The people of Israel finally learnt in oct 7th that it's a very bad idea to give more land to the Palestinians. They gave Gaza freely in 2005 and they have gotten in return was sorrow tears and blood. [b]There is no way you can treat a people like that and expect that there will be no fight back, and of course when there is a fight back you then call it terrorism. This is the same way Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist by the apartheid government of South Africa and kept on the terrorism watchlist of the United States up till 2008. Stop being so one-sided and supporting Israel on account of your religious bias which they dont even give a damn about. The Palestinians are a captive people, and they are the weaker people in this long conflict. Israel is supported by the powers that be, the USA, the UK and most of Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. Palestine is a small impoverished captive state being violently oppressed and cheated and if you have a human heart, you should also sympathize with them instead of always rooting for the bully. What you are doing is no different from supporting the slave masters during the slave trade, or the white minority apartheid government of South Africa during apartheid. [/b] The Palestinians have received over 100 billion dollars in the last 20 years from world nations. They are not as impoverished as you think. There only problem is bad leadership. Did you know that both Gaza and Palestinians in the west bank rank better than almost all African countries on development index? Did you know that life expectancy in Gaza is 73 years. In your country Nigeria, life expectancy is only 55 years. Now talking about slave trade, the Arab slave trade was much worse than the western slave trade and it only ended in the 1960s. So even if I have to consider slave masters, the Arabs are more guilty. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by sangresan(m): 5:25pm On Feb 23 |
Fineman2: The cowards in the Palestinian Authority will surely play along and support the establishment of these illegal settlements. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by Opintiwa: 5:28pm On Feb 23 |
DeepSight: Ma dude. The Jews long existed as a people before the word Palestine. They did not emanate from a cave where they hid for 100billion years to learn Hebrew. AL quasa is built on the temple of Solomon. The Hebrew coin used is still at the museum till date. Tombs when I mean tombs I'm sure you have never seen one , including those that have caved to the point it was salvaged by tech . Tombs are here , was it a crime for the Jews to be among the Arabs? Nope but God can not be mocked. If you believed they once lived in Egypt as slaves , then were did they com from , Nigeria? Is it not close by ? Why did the Egyptian not take philistines as slaves ? Why did they not take Persians as slaves ? Jordanians? Samaritans ? Why the Jews? The hate has been there ma dude 1 Like |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by sangresan(m): 5:30pm On Feb 23 |
ViceGovernor: Another brainwashed mugu. Is there any nation that has been wiped out in history in the true sense? You don't know that ethnic groups mingle and absorb one another. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by bizzibodi(m): 5:30pm On Feb 23 |
Israel take it easy,what make them think the can accomplish that now ,what they should have done in 1948?if not foolishness why did they allowed east Jerusalem, Judea,Samaria, Bethlehem to be Palestinian territories since,even a large part of Sinai to be Egypt. |
Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by Originalsly: 5:32pm On Feb 23 |
mikeapollo: Again..... you're still confused... Jews ... the ones guided by the Torah ... do not identify with Israel nor say they are Israelis. They have said so.... not I. They are the ones orchestrating the protests against Israel. Are these really God's people? .. that He brought ti his blessed country? Really? .... todays Sodom and Gomorrah you are supporting....passionately .... makesme wonder.
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Re: Israel To Establish Over 3,300 Settlement Units In Occupied West Bank by sangresan(m): 5:33pm On Feb 23 |
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