Maximus please come and teach me what jesus taught you that isn't about sharing what you have with the poor. Meanwhile, read Mat.19:21; James 1:27, thereafter, commence your lecture.

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Templee333:

Maximus please come and teach me what jesus taught you that isn't about sharing what you have with the poor. Meanwhile, read Mat.19:21; James 1:27, thereafter, commence your lecture.

When it comes to what Jesus taught his friends about nature most people don't meditate on his words and actions, for instance he never gave anyone a dime when it comes to helping others what Jesus taught is equality and fairness to all.
When you have something that your neighbour doesn't have and it's basic necessity then it's not balanced that's why thieves are increasing on daily basis {Matthew 6:19-21} so what Jesus and nature teaches is equality where we all have everything equally nobody needs your contribution when we all have what we need to live a good life, that's why Jesus never accumulate any material possessions he kept teaching us to hope in God's kingdom where we will all have not when some will be looking unto others due to the fact that they can't afford basic needs.

So if anyone ask you what Jesus taught his friends it's in harmony with nature we all want good life and nobody wants to be the beggar all of us wants to be the one giving out of our abundance that's why you see ritualists using spiritism to seek wealth and by the end of the day they're the highest donors when it comes to giving the poor.

But let's say we all have everything equally do we need to give anybody out of pity?

NO!

So why ignore the cited verses?

If you want to talk about equaltiy, well, let's go to the early chapters of Acts of Apostles. Do you noticed that the original christians didn't posses anything but sold ALL their possesions and share with brethren? If you are practising the original christianity, why don't you (JWs) do the same? Why do you rather spend your time accumulating wealth and building structures in a world that is passing away soon? Could it be that you don't believe the bible or what?

Templee333:
If you want to talk about equaltiy, well, let's go to the early chapters of Acts of Apostles. Do you noticed that the original christians didn't posses anything but sold ALL their possesions and share with brethren? If you are practising the original christianity, why don't you (JWs) do the same? Why do you rather spend your time accumulating wealth and building structures in a world that is passing away soon? Could it be that you don't believe the bible or what?

Highlighted is a misconception the brothers didn't sell all their possessions rather wealthy ones among those who traveled to Jerusalem sold properties they can give away in that city to assist their brothers so the poor ones also sold whatever they can give away bring it to the Apostles to be shared equally among them for those in need to return home with something. Act 4:32-37

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are still doing that today that's why you can see that we all have the Bibles and other publications free our Halls are built through the contributions of wealthy brothers in many countries who have willed their properties to Watchtower after their death such properties are sold to help brothers in poor countries like African so that all of us can have what we need as brothers and sisters.

Jesus didn't teach us that everyone of us must be rich in this system of things because the system is wicked in itself so we will always have the poor ones in our midst he only told us to take care of them so they don't turn to beggars in the streets while they worship side by side with wealthy fellow believers! Matthew 26:11

Templee333:

So why ignore the cited verses?

You quoted Matthew 19:21 & James 1:27

“If you want to be perfect, go sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come be my follower.”
Jesus was telling the politician to forgo all his prominence and celebrity lifestyle in order to join Jesus' humble disciples who don't go about with security guards nor have anything to flunt.
Note that Jesus told the man to give it all away and not to keep anything for himself.

The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world
James is telling us to take care of our brothers and sisters and make sure we're not the cause of their misfortune in anyway.
True Christians takes care of their fellow believers and you can't quote a single verse where they give a dime out to someone who is not a member of their Faith!

Luke 18:22 sell ALL that thou hast,and distribute to the poor. Verse 28: "we have left ALL and followed thee"
Luke 13:33 so likewise,whoever he be of you that fosaketh not ALL that he hath, cannot be my disciple. Philippians 3:8 I count ALL things but loss...ALL things I count them but dung,that i may win christ" Acts 4:32,34"...but they had ALL things common...for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold.

so Mr Max, what are you defending? Simply put, you are not ready to practise christianity, what you are practising is Americanism and Europeanism.

Templee333:

Luke 18:22 sell ALL that thou hast,and distribute to the poor. Verse 28: "we have left ALL and followed thee"
Luke 13:33 so likewise,whoever he be of you that fosaketh not ALL that he hath, cannot be my disciple. Philippians 3:8 I count ALL things but loss...ALL things I count them but dung,that i may win christ" Acts 4:32,34"...but they had ALL things common...for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold.

so Mr Max, what are you defending? Simply put, you are not ready to practise christianity, what you are practising is Americanism and Europeanism.

I know you're not interested in the truth after all the book in itself means stupidity to you so how on earth will you reason with what those practicing what it says does?

The apostles traveled with Jesus from towns to towns living their businesses behind that's what they meant they never sold anything as you're insinuating.
Paul was a lawyer trained to fight and defend Judaism by the Pharisees so after he has turned his back on that course what else does he have other than menial jobs to feed himself? Act 18:3
If they sold everything they had then what will they use to cater for their families?

Ọmọ it's either you present a group practicing what you're interpreting or stay on your lane since you don't believe in Christianity and as for nature it never taught that some should be rich while others are poor that's why the system is not balanced, if anyone no matter how generous he is should live with his wealth without security it's the same people he is giving that will come to kill him and steal what he has just to enrich themselves.
So until we all agree to have everything equally we aren't doing things according to nature.

For now that can't work because the government in power is promoting greed all over the earth but when Jesus begins his own rule over the earth whoever wish to have more than his neighbour can't be his subject!

As for giving to those who aren't your church members, please listen to jesus:
Luke 6:27 but i say to you which hear, love your enemies,do good to them which hate you. V.30- give to every man. V35- but love your enemies, and do good and lend". Acts 27:34-38- Paul fed his enemies who wanted to kill him in the ship. so Mr. Max what are you up to with this ur theory of giving to your church members alone? Who taught you that one? Please go and tell him to attend Sunday school and learn the story of the good samaritan.

Templee333:
As for giving to those who aren't your church members, please listen to jesus:
Luke 6:27 but i say to you which hear, love your enemies,do good to them which hate you. V.30- give to every man. V35- but love your enemies, and do good and lend". Acts 27:34-38- Paul fed his enemies who wanted to kill him in the ship. so Mr. Max what are you up to with this ur theory of giving to your church members alone? Who taught you that one? Please go and tell him to attend Sunday school and learn the story of the good samaritan.

Just quote where Jesus or any of his disciples give a dime to beggars.

Paul fed his neighbours who were traveling with him not beggars!

Hahaha! Your answers show that you don't even believe the bible you claim to defend neither do you believe the words of jesus that you claim to follow. You are still using your canal wisdom to question the words of the one you say is the son of God. If you don't take your jesus' words serious, why do u expect people to take you serious?

Templee333:

Hahaha! Your answers show that you don't even believe the bible you claim to defend neither do you believe the words of jesus that you claim to follow. You are still using your canal wisdom to question the words of the one you say is the son of God. If you don't take your jesus' words serious, why do u expect people to take you serious?

Point to where Jesus' disciples sold everything they had and give to beggars after all it's not apostles that initiated selling what they had it's new converts who feels like assisting their fellow believers.

MaxInDHouse:


Just quote where Jesus or any of his disciples give a dime to beggars.

Paul fed his neighbours who were traveling with him not beggars!

in that case jesus was being hypocritical when he said: "give to EVERYMAN that asketh of thee"- Luke 6:30.
why was the rich man punished for refusing to help a beggar? Luke 16:23
my dear you need to know who jesus is before you start presenting him to the public. Jesus is not Anthony Moris, neither is he Geofrey Jackson or David Splane. Stop following men and start practising unhypocritical love, for that is the only way to know God. God is not found in books. God is love and without love you cannot know God.

Templee333:
in that case jesus was being hypocritical when he said: "give to EVERYMAN that asketh of thee"- Luke 6:30.
why was the rich man punished for refusing to help a beggar? Luke 16:23
my dear you need to know who jesus is before you start presenting him to the public. Jesus is not Anthony Moris, neither is he Geofrey Jackson or David Splane. Stop following men and start practising unhypocritical love, for that is the only way to know God. God is not found in books. God is love and without love you cannot know God.

Can't you present a single group practicing what you think Jesus said?
Or you don't think someone reasonable said such things?

Pick one!

You want to talk about nature? Ok let's check Mat.5:45 that ye may be the children of your father who is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. / but you say that generosity is restricted to those who are your fellow JW only. V.48 says you should be perfect, yet you JW use imperfection every now and then as an excuse to carry out your evil intentions.

Templee333:

You want to talk about nature? Ok let's check Mat.5:45 that ye may be the children of your father who is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. / but you say that generosity is restricted to those who are your fellow JW only. V.48 says you should be perfect, yet you JW use imperfection every now and then as an excuse to carry out your evil intentions.

Are you now scared of quoting me?

Well we are good to everyone around us just as our God gives what is meant for everyone but when it comes to loyalty our God only gives that to His faithful servants that's why we are loyal only to our fellow believers if it's what is common that we can give to everyone that's surely what we do not our loyalty.

So present a verse where Jesus or any of his disciples give a dime to unbelievers if you truly understood what you're quoting!

Mat.5:36 "thou canst make one hair white or black"
Does nature not teach you that the creator of man made him with beard and was satisfied that everything he made was good? Yet you JWs have waged a serious battle with the hairs in a man's face. Why is a person's beard your business? Did God make mistake in giving us hairs? Can your governing body create a single hair?

I wish you go back to what started this discussion:

What nature teaches?

It's like you've seen how difficult that is for you as you don't even know what you're saying.

Mr Nature teaches that you give the poor.

Who is comfortable with poverty so that others will always give him?
Who doesn't want to be in the shoes of the one giving and gaining favour?

Ọmọ abeg leave matter for Matthias you know nothing about nature or Jesus of Nazareth!

MaxInDHouse:


Are you now scared of quoting me?

Well we are good to everyone around us just as our God gives what is meant for everyone but when it comes to loyalty our God only gives that to His faithful servants that's why we are loyal only to our fellow believers if it's what is common that we can give to everyone that's surely what we do not our loyalty.

So present a verse where Jesus or any of his disciples give a dime to unbelievers if you truly understood what you're quoting!

Have you ever read Mat 6:1,2?

Templee333:

Mat.5:36 "thou canst make one hair white or black"
Does nature not teach you that the creator of man made him with beard and was satisfied that everything he made was good? Yet you JWs have waged a serious battle with the hairs in a man's face. Why is a person's beard your business? Did God make mistake in giving us hairs? Can your governing body create a single hair?

OK you've given up on giving the poor shey?

Guy i'm not here for stories what i came here to do i've done.

Nature doesn't teach that some should be poor while others are rich we should all be equal that's the only way peace and security can reign on this planet.

Farewell!

MaxInDHouse:
I wish you go back to what started this discussion:

What nature teaches?

It's like you've seen how difficult that is for you as you don't even know what you're saying.

Mr Nature teaches that you give the poor.

Who is comfortable with poverty so that others will always give him?
Who doesn't want to be in the shoes of the one giving and gaining favour?

Ọmọ abeg leave matter for Matthias you know nothing about nature or Jesus of Nazareth!

i'm absolutely sure that you know everything while I know nothing, that is why i keep asking you to teach me.

Templee333:

Have you ever read Mat 6:1,2?

"Take care not to practice your righteousness in front of men to be noticed by them; otherwise you will have no reward with your Father who is in the heavens. So when you make gifts of mercy, do not blow a trumpet ahead of you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be glorified by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full." Matthew 6:1-2

Gift of mercy that Jesus is talking about was it outside their community or within where they all practiced the same faith?

Ọmọ that's what JWs are practicing that's why you can't see beggars among us despite the fact that poor ones are in our midst but don't think we will carry what our own brothers contributed for the sake of their fellow believers and start giving to faithless ones like you it's meant only for the needs of faithful worshipers who are in need of support to continue running the race of life!

Templee333:
i'm absolutely sure that you know everything while I know nothing, that is why i keep asking you to teach me.

If you are sincere why quoting and never ready to point to practical application of what you quoted?

It's either you don't believe in the Bible at all or you humbly accept correction by imitating the people who are PRACTICING it instead of arguing blindly claiming no one is practicing it that's tantamount to saying Jesus never existed because if he does there must be a group of people PRACTICING what he laid down UNDERSTANDABLY!

MaxInDHouse:


Are you now scared of quoting me?

Well we are good to everyone around us just as our God gives what is meant for everyone but when it comes to loyalty our God only gives that to His faithful servants that's why we are loyal only to our fellow believers if it's what is common that we can give to everyone that's surely what we do not our loyalty.

So present a verse where Jesus or any of his disciples give a dime to unbelievers if you truly understood what you're quoting!

you aren't the one to tell how good you are to everyone around you, rather let everyone around you come and testify about it. Please mention them to come and testify here. Prov.27:2

Templee333:
you aren't the one to tell how good you are to everyone around you, rather let everyone around you come and testify about it. Please mention them to come and testify here. Prov.27:2

So they reported everything they did including how they sold what they could give away to help the less privilege among them but they never record where any of them give a dime to beggars shey?

I hear you!

MaxInDHouse:

If you are sincere why quoting and never ready to point to practical application of what you quoted?

It's either you don't believe in the Bible at all or you humbly accept correction by imitating the people who are PRACTICING it instead of arguing blindly claiming no one is practicing it that's tantamount to saying Jesus never existed because if he does there must be a group of people PRACTICING what he laid down UNDERSTANDABLY!

that group is DEFINITELY NOT jehovah's witnesses.

MaxInDHouse:


So they reported everything they did including how they sold what they could give away to help the less privilege among them but they never record where any of them give a dime to beggars shey?

I hear you!

Brother o, you said JWs are good to people around them, call those people to come and testify how jw are good to them not for you to praise yourself. Mention them to come and testify publicly. I can also call one or two persons to come and testify. Courz please give ur testimony

Templee333:
that group is DEFINITELY NOT jehovah's witnesses.

Good!

Now we are getting somewhere.

Please do your personal research i give you the next ten years to figure out that group as i have spent more than two decades to know that it's only Jehovah's Witnesses.

Wishing you a great discovery and don't forget to let me know o because i never believe there can ever be a group performing better than Jehovah's Witnesses in practicing what Jesus of Nazareth taught!

Templee333:

Brother o, you said JWs are good to people around them, call those people to come and testify how jw are good to them not for you to praise yourself. Mention them to come and testify publicly. I can also call one or two persons to come and testify. Courz please give ur testimony

Guy, i'm not your brother but your neighbour!

You're missing something here o.

All those claiming JWs on this forum are saying JWs are good that's why we joined them nah or have you heard of anyone who claimed Jesus and his disciples are good but never one of them?

MaxInDHouse:


Good!

Now we are getting somewhere.

Please do your personal research i give you the next ten years to figure out that group as i have spent more than two decades to know that it's only Jehovah's Witnesses.

Wishing you a great discovery and don't forget to let me know o because i never believe there can ever be a group performing better than Jehovah's Witnesses in practicing what Jesus of Nazareth taught!

Please where did you get your result from, was it google? Or wikipedia? Please tell me i want to check something