seunayantokun:

An unbeliever is blind, because they don't know the way of God.

You are also an unbeliever to a different kind of belief, doctrine or religion.

In the end, everyone is a partial believer and unbeliever.

It is only fools that denigrate humans like them by calling them indoctrinated words like 'unbeliever', 'gentile', 'kaffir' etc. It only exposes the person's low IQ level.

lakeside3020:
What do you want to gain in defaming other peoples church and the man of God,once it comes to healing there must be criticism, you were in church to serve God ,take your blessing and leave why are you digging dip to spoil what the church is known for? Was in CE for more than 10 years even from University of lagos then believer's loveworld,for those period i never see anything wronged or suspicious, i even knew of someone who is a Sickle cell and he did not get heal but he did not critised the church because of that but keep believing God for his miracle.

Religion is a lie that has absolutely nothing to do with either the God of Israel or His Son, Jesus Christ. Exposes the scams out there help to free people from the chains of religion.

JooEeL:


You are also an unbeliever to a different kind of belief, doctrine or religion.

In the end, everyone is a partial believer and unbeliever.

It is only fools that denigrate humans like them by calling them indoctrinated words like 'unbeliever', 'gentile', 'kaffir' etc. It only exposes the person's low IQ level.

Then are you wise if you would jump online to say what I believe was fake? I didn't discredit your own faith or anyone else's; I just stated mine but you came on to say it was fake. Now apply your judgement to yourself. Can you see what you've called yourself?

That's why the Bible said judgement will start from the church those who say father i did your work on earth he will say to them depart from me you evildoers

seunayantokun:
■ Then are you wise if you would jump online to say what I believe was fake? I didn't discredit your own faith or anyone else's; I just stated mine but you came on to say it was fake. Now apply your judgement to yourself. Can you see what you've called yourself?

What makes a "faith" real and what makes another fake?

[quote author=Truthfullone19 post=129081209]Sadly I too was a victim of what I can only call the greatest scam in the modern day history of the Pentecostal church. A well played out scam which is enabled by the likes of deaconess Gbadamosi, Brother Dele, Pastor Shola, Reverend Owase, Reverend Tom and no other person but pastor Chris. I experienced his scam all the way back in the early 2000's and had I not known the Lord, I sincerely would have walked away from the faith. Before you start reading, I ask that you speak to the Lord and as a believer expect him to give you answers. He's your father, so asking him to help you know truth is part of his will. I only could tell one person in the world about my experience that night after a build up from the so called healing school. I later on recounted it to one other person, but sadly they were too fragile and such a truth would break their bubble, so they refused to hear anything. Eventually they came round to knowing that it was all true. I had always wondered why women could get raped and not speak, but abuse is something that takes years to speak about. Some of you wonderful sisters who were abused have never spoken about it, and some of you sick men who have abused other ladies sometimes live in fear of your victims speaking out one day. Weirdly, some do speak out and also some don't. Some of you men are actually in churches and walk around almost free, and if this can happen to guilty men, imagine the support a ministry like Christ has in suppressing claims made against them. From thousands of brainwashed members, to a media empire. Let's not forget that these are media ministries which have one way traffic, you only see what they want you to see. I wish I get to meet sir John one day, for he is truly a blessing to those who seek truth. Sinach and all the rest of the families are also fully aware of the scams they portray to thousands of innocents and an audience wanting to be deceived. It's no wonder the ministry operates a system of nepotism and it reigns in that place. From brothers, to sister in-laws, to all you can name, you find the whole lot there. A system where total allegiance is required to continue fooling millions of people. Only a handful of people would even dare bring these accusations before the Lord, but would rather scream words like envy, bitterness etc. I do not know how the cry of people for justice has turned to bitterness, I guess only under Christ Embassy. The same behaviour was revealed when their beloved mama in the Lord Reverend Anita decided to say adiós to the madness going on there. One of the only people allowed to climb the stage of meetings and wear the white suit, was suddenly called bitter by those who would have rolled over the floor Kandahaying and kabashing in so called other tongues, had she touched them. Suddenly, simply because pastor Chris portrays her as n. All this nonsense u are writing will cost u plenty if u don't denounce it. We know that ur master the devil is the one who paid u to write this crap. An unbeliever can not interpret the things of God to the world. I hereby command u to denounce ur false allegation to pastor Chris or have the grace of God lifted of u now. If u don't denounce ur open foolishness , u will seek for this grace u are attacking and never find it

Truthfullone19:


It's really simple, firstly the influence and power of these Ministries is more than what anyone of you can comprehend. Don't forget these are media Ministries with a media might beyond comprehension. The actual number of Christ embassy members with access to the healing school is virtually restricted. Some have glimpses of what's happening but not the whole picture. It takes a lot to run comprehensive documentaries on such organizations, we saw the might of the BBC against TB Joshua and yet they are still struggling to convince people despite their thorough work.

My advice to anyone doubting any of this is free. Take someone you love or know who is very sick to the healing school, you'll see all what I've said. I've climbed up the top of Pentecostalism on earth and seen things only a handful of earth will ever see. My closest relative at that point in my life could not believe these things when shared with them, seeing it would shatter the core of their faith. I couldn't even speak to anyone for years, minus two people who are close to me. One said it shouldn't be talked about and as usual let's not talk about such things whilst the other person followed it through.

Take it upon yourselves to track these sick folks and follow them up. Fear is another factor and sadly Nigeria where almost anything goes. We saw what happened to Kemi when she chose to come against a well known pastor, she was locked up. By the way, Kemi is the daughter of a former governor and yet she could be locked up.

I've been privy to see pentecostalism from levels way higher than almost anyone on earth, and one thing is for certain. Anything or anyone standing in the way of this multi billion industry will be eradicated by these organizations. I've been privy to work with the mega folks you see on TV, you're looking at revenues of over $100 million dollars per year easily with the big names. Anything or anyone that stands in their way will be destroyed by any means necessary.

u have risen to highest level of pentecostalism and yet u are very blind due to the fact that u are an antichrist. I pity for those taking u seriously cos they will pay for their naivit

I have a question for you, should the man Peter Popoff had been exposed or not? Please watch this video and let the world know your answer. This isn't about gaining anything, but rather revealing abuse. You never saw anything and so did millions initially with Peter popoff, until Randle exposed Peter popoff for what he truly was.

Should Peter Popoff and his abuse of the vulnerable been revealed? In this questions is the answer to your question.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKXRVScOwE?si=nsFJeEGehqIRPV4t

lakeside3020:
What do you want to gain in defaming other peoples church and the man of God,once it comes to healing there must be criticism, you were in church to serve God ,take your blessing and leave why are you digging dip to spoil what the church is known for? Was in CE for more than 10 years even from University of lagos then believer's loveworld,for those period i never see anything wronged or suspicious, i even knew of someone who is a Sickle cell and he did not get heal but he did not critised the church because of that but keep believing God for his miracle.

I have not seen in the Bible where not believing in Pastor Chris or challenging him classifies one as an Antichrist. Notice I spoke well of the late Reinhard in the write-up. What's your next accusation.

Tonitoniton:
u have risen to highest level of pentecostalism and yet u are very blind due to the fact that u are an antichrist. I pity for those taking u seriously cos they will pay for their naivit

Insults, bitterness and frustration seem to be key words in your replies. That lacks the fruits of the spirit my friend.


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ReacherSaidNoth:
Faith-healing is a scam, you cannot cure or remedy ailments by saying magic words to a god imported from the desert.

I know some of you with stupid opinions to force down our throats must come here.

Oga, I am not derailing your thread!
You claimed miracle is not happening and I told you my story.

May the HOLY SPIRIT judge between both of us if what I recanted happened or not.

I just refused to join you in your claims!

I know nothing about Christ Embassy as a church or healing school BUT what I know is that God used Pastor Chris Oyakhilome for my healing on February 13, 2000.


Oga abeg rest ..... You are saying your truth also allow everyone say their truth!


[1quote author=Truthfullone19 post=129172800]You skipped all the important questions and tried to derail the thread by coming up with a story that cannot be recreated. What can be recreated for verification is this, take the sick to the healing school, go there with an honest open heart and see if the things mentioned are true or not.


For those of you who are lost in this thread, go to page 9 or find the link. The same experience has been reported by others.

https://www.nairaland.com/8039722/pastor-chris-heals-nine-people/8

This shows my experience.

One of the greatest threads on Nairaland was by a SirJohn, find his link. He experienced his madness in 2008, whilst I did in the early 2000's. Here is a link to his story which correlates with mine and others.

https://www.nairaland.com/193649/truth-christ-embassy-healing-school.

Here are two videos that clearly show the tactics being used by pastor Chris (please read my write-up to understand what's happening.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLvgNFV4eks&t=30s



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0gJL1ciXbA?si=ONPVlTH0RRTm-jhF


For CE members please answer these questions. Below. I'm asking once again.


Did the lady on the voiceover, Pastor Chris and others give the impression that they were healed?

Why do they all have similar celebrations and a striking pattern?

Why do a lot who are waiving their hands still look dejected if you look closely?

Could they all get off wheelchairs and stretchers before this meeting?

Was the impression painted that they could not get off a wheelchair etc?

Why are they all celebrating in the same way, hands up etc?

If pastor Chris does do Miracles, why would he need to fake some or deceive the public of a false perception of healings taking place?

Is pastor Chris really like your regular church preacher who has one or two so called miracles with loads of trickery added to increase numbers?


How many percent do you think were healed?

How many of these were portrayed as being healed from the videos you watched?


These are not my videos by the way, but watch as they soon disappear off You tube. The same happens whenever a discrepancy is shown on any of their videos etc.

Christ embassy needs that footage of the steps I talked about..

1. The sick saying they are healed.
2. Pastor Chris coming in and praying for the sick.
3. The sick reacting as they are told to do in healing school. Don't just stand there when he lays hands on you, you might still feel the pain but you have to act in faith. Jump around waving tour hands and celebrating, shout you are healed at this point..
4. Participants are told to jump up and wave their hands and act healed as an act of faith, that releases God's power. (HENCE THE SIMILARITY IN CELEBRATIONS IN ALL HIS VIDEOS).
These are then passed to the baying mob as individuals who are healed, happy and celebrating.

5. Once the session is over, the sick are literally dumped and barred from the healing school premises. Still sick and now depressed at what has happened, those without a strong faith in Christ are worse off.


Go and watch all his healing videos. Same useless pattern. Others have done it in the past, Peter popoff did his in the 80's and you aren't the first to be fooled.

This is Peter popoff who still makes $23 million USD and more after being called out. Do you want to be fooled is what you should be asking yourself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKXRVScOwE?si=nsFJeEGehqIRPV4t


If pastor Chris is fake, what foundation do you have, can you still stand, is that the reason you can't accept the fact that this might be true?







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Basic123:


EXACTLY

“If through my lie, God's truth was magnified. Why am I judge as a sinner?” (Romans 3:7)?

Twisting the scriptures to suit your narrative won't take you anywhere.

89green:


Una no dey hear word. Chai, who did dis to you guys.

Just force it down his throat that miracles don't happen. Take it as your life mission.

Truthfullone19:
I have a question for you, should the man Peter Popoff had been exposed or not? Please watch this video and let the world know your answer. This isn't about gaining anything, but rather revealing abuse. You never saw anything and so did millions initially with Peter popoff, until Randle exposed Peter popoff for what he truly was.

Should Peter Popoff and his abuse of the vulnerable been revealed? In this questions is the answer to your question.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKXRVScOwE?si=nsFJeEGehqIRPV4t

If you read peter popoff wiki profile, you'll cringe on the inside. So much that his wife told him not to touch someone's breast and oh, he acknowledged he was a fraud when evidence of this fraud was presented.

FOOTSOLDIER2:



Okay, thank you. But how is it possible to keep up with falsehood over a long period, talk of decades?

I'm not CE but u see ba?
As humans there may b mistakes and un biblical acts, but to tell me that Pastor Chris doesn't perform healing s is pure lie. So for 20 years he was just faking n crowds were there.

When u hear him preach d word that word only can activate healing

Kobojunkie:
Yet in Nigeria both men and women alike are submerged deep in the religious delusion. Can't you see past your dick to realize that delusions are not unique to any gender?

you too like wahala

free2ryhme:
∆ you too like wahala

and?!

erniok:

Just force it down his throat that miracles don't happen. Take it as your life mission.

Me i don free the guy

Yes, I've followed a few of these for many years now. His wife used the N word during the recorded meetings of which they were unaware of. She also told him not to touch the N****** titties during an actual live crusade. Some of these people are brutal.

erniok:

If you read peter popoff wiki profile, you'll cringe on the inside. So much that his wife told him not to touch someone's breast and oh, he acknowledged he was a fraud when evidence of this fraud was presented.

Peter Popoff had huge crowds don't forget that.

BePrepared:

I'm not CE but u see ba?
As humans there may b mistakes and un biblical acts, but to tell me that Pastor Chris doesn't perform healing s is pure lie. So for 20 years he was just faking n crowds were there.

When u hear him preach d word that word only can activate healing

Truthfullone19:



No one is seeking to trend. This is exactly the same response people gave when folks came to speak about TB Joshua. I'm sure no satanist, as I said, I've climbed up the ladder of Pentecostalism to know when something is useless or not. If you are a CE member, I can actually get you seated next to rev Eddy at your next meeting. Once your high up any major ministry on earth, you can literally get any request from another. In your normal life, you cannot have ten feet access to pastor Chris. Said this to show you aren't speaking to someone who isn't saved or isn't in the full know of the evangelical field.


Take hold of these thjngs said and go research them yourselves. Take a sick person, pay for their feeding, housing etc and go and witness all that's been said. Ensure you also spend time in his presence as your discernment radar seems broken


Your language is despicable for someone who should be speaking on things relating to the gospel.

Once again get lost

Is that Jesus response through you, I'm assuming it is, if it is not then whose is it?

GREATESTPIANIST:
Once again get lost

JooEeL:


Both are fake

Says the only wise one.

honestivo:

It's miracle to be arranging miracles for over 30 yrs now and ppl all over the world 🌎 still believe in you and ur message, if it easy why not try it

People know it's a scam they just don't have the energy or the financial resources to go about the process of exposing him.

seunayantokun:

Then are you wise if you would jump online to say what I believe was fake? I didn't discredit your own faith or anyone else's; I just stated mine but you came on to say it was fake. Now apply your judgement to yourself. Can you see what you've called yourself?

The difference is that I would never call you an 'unbeliever' , 'kufar', or 'pagan' or 'gentile'. These are terms that were used in old times to chastise and ostracise supposed kith and kin.

I believe in my ancestry, I believe in Ifa, Orunmila, Obatala... If you do not believe in Ifa, do you see any word harassment by Ifa adherents to people who dont believe in Ifa?

As blacks, we must begin to learn how to engage in arguments without labelling for the purpose of ostracising. This was usually the first step, before attacking and even killing them.

How would a foreign religion make me look at my fellow Yoruba man and call him an 'unbeliever' or 'infidel'? This is d worst of d worst of mental slavery.

BePrepared:

I'm not CE but u see ba?
As humans there may b mistakes and un biblical acts, but to tell me that Pastor Chris doesn't perform healing s is pure lie. So for 20 years he was just faking n crowds were there.

When u hear him preach d word that word only can activate healing

God bless you, that's exactly the same thing I'm wondering.

Thank you @Truthfullone19 for the insightful write up.
Sadly, na mumu plenty pass for this country. I have never believed in these pastors miracles

I took a look at your profile and you need the cleansing work of the cross to work itself into you. You use profanities and swear words and worst of all you are into romance scam. This is your profile not mine. There is gospel that really changes you and there is one which bears no fruit. I sincerely pray that you come to the knowledge of a good God.

FOOTSOLDIER2:



God bless you, that's exactly the same thing I'm wondering.

There are honest ministries, I've been privy to know the workings of the late Reinhard and that man lived in truth. His salary was less than that of a nurse in the US. Don't ask me how I know as it'll be giving away too much info. The accounting, honest and true.

What is on ground at CE abuses the vulnerable.

Error401:
Thank you @Truthfullone19 for the insightful write up.
Sadly, na mumu plenty pass for this country. I have never believed in these pastors miracles

Kobojunkie:
∆ and?!

you wan fight me

I dont even like the ministry, I prefer Sam Adeyemi's teachings. I am a Muslim btw

Truthfullone19:
There are honest ministries, I've been privy to know the workings of the late Reinhard and that man lived in truth. His salary was less than a nurse in the US. Don't ask me how I know as it'll be giving away too much info. The accounting, honest and true.

What is on ground at CE abuses the vulnerable.