MaxInDHouse:
The difference is clear!

Peter felt compassion for his loving friend Jesus and he knew that whatever Jesus say will surely come to pass {Mark 11:21} so he wants Jesus to withdraw his statement regarding his persecution and execution however Satan who wants people to put their interest first before God's is behind Peter's feelings.

Judas love money {John 12:4-6} he value money so much that it matters most to him so while others were meditating on whatever Jesus say Judas is concerned with how to make money through Jesus' disappearing acts {John 10:39} he thought the money those Pharisees will pay him will be free because Jesus always disappear anytime they want to seize him not knowing that it's the last hour.
So after seeing that Jesus didn't escape as usual and upon the whole scenario executed that's when he realized that he has made the greatest mistake of his life due to his love for money! 1Timothy 6:7-10

Of course both of them fell but pride finished Judas because he couldn't forgive himself unlike righteous Peter who fell several times but rose again to continue the race! Proverbs 24:16

Tourist42:

What's the point Sir? They both were influenced by the Devil with two different intentions buh from one person(d devil?)? Is this not contradictory?

MaxInDHouse:


According to God's word all humans have sinned and fallen short of God's glory {Romans 3:23} this means our thoughts are always driven by the sin we inherited {Psalms 14:3} so none of us is qualified for everlasting life yet until we learn from Jesus how to do God's will.

Our thoughts and actions are influenced by our sinful nature!

Tourist42:

Pls how can all this be reconciled with the belief that Satan is "evil"... I guess the Devil was confused?
What are some other implications of this narrative?

Veecruz:


If your neighbour takes you to a place where you get kidnapped, what would you.call him?

Or if someome you talk to lies to.you about giving you something you desperately.wanted only.for you to.get into.trouble what do.you you call that person good?

Tourist42:


What's the point Sir? They both were influenced by the Devil with two different intentions buh from one person(d devil?)? Is this not contradictory?

Lucifyre:


Of course its contradictory, lots of contradictions. Judas' death is another major plot hole with the differing accounts in Matthew and Acts.

Tourist42:


Thumbs up, I wanted someone to say sth in line with wat I wrote up there... How do you reconcile the whole thing? Or am I wrong in my inference? Because it doesn't seem to make logical sense.

Tourist42:
Please someone should help me make sense of this, let's discuss this here, no sentiment,no foul.

Yes, according to Christian belief, the Devil was involved in both the cases of Peter and Judas. It is understood that the Devil played a role in tempting and influencing their actions.

In the case of Peter, as mentioned earlier, Jesus referred to him as "Satan" in Matthew 16:23. This indicates that Peter was influenced by a temptation or a mindset that aligned more with human concerns rather than the concerns of God. While the extent and nature of the Devil's involvement in Peter's specific actions are not clarified in the biblical text, it can be inferred that the Devil may have used his weaknesses and fears to tempt him to act not according to God's will (but the emphasis here is that the Devil used him, in this context didn't want Christ to go to the cross).

Similarly, in the case of Judas, it is stated that Satan entered into him before he betrayed Jesus (Luke 22:3). This suggests a direct involvement of the Devil in influencing Judas' decision to betray Jesus to the religious authorities. The motive behind the Devil's involvement in Judas' actions is not explicitly mentioned, but it can be understood as an a[b]ttempt to "facilitate?" God's plan [/b]and bring about the arrest and crucifixion of Jesus.

Tourist42:
■ Please someone should help me make sense of this, let's discuss this here, no sentiment,no foul.
Yes, according to Christian belief, the Devil was involved in both the cases of Peter and Judas. It is understood that the Devil played a role in tempting and influencing their actions.
■ In the case of Peter, as mentioned earlier, Jesus referred to him as "Satan" in Matthew 16:23. This indicates that Peter was influenced by a temptation or a mindset that aligned more with human concerns rather than the concerns of God. While the extent and nature of the Devil's involvement in Peter's specific actions are not clarified in the biblical text, it can be inferred that the Devil may have used his weaknesses and fears to tempt him to act not according to God's will (but the emphasis here is that the Devil used him, in this context didn't want Christ to go to the cross).
Similarly, in the case of Judas, it is stated that Satan entered into him before he betrayed Jesus (Luke 22:3). This suggests a direct involvement of the Devil in influencing Judas' decision to betray Jesus to the religious authorities. The motive behind the Devil's involvement in Judas' actions is not explicitly mentioned, but it can be understood as an attempt to "facilitate?" God's plan and bring about the arrest and crucifixion of Jesus.
These accounts highlight the belief that the Devil seeks to undermine and oppose God's work by influencing individuals to act in ways that are contrary to God's will but in the case of Judas it wasn't so. The specific mechanisms and extent of the Devil's involvement are not always clearly defined, but the general understanding is that he can exert influence and tempt individuals toward evil actions(one was against(Peter used by Satan) and the other was in line (Judas betrayal) ).
Pls how can all this be reconciled with the belief that Satan is "evil"... I guess the Devil was confused? What are some other implications of this narrative?

Tourist42:
■ Thumbs up, I wanted someone to say sth in line with wat I wrote up there... How do you reconcile the whole thing? Or am I wrong in my inference? Because it doesn't seem to make logical sense.

Tourist42:
Please someone should help me make sense of this, let's discuss this here, no sentiment,no foul.

Yes, according to Christian belief, the Devil was involved in both the cases of Peter and Judas. It is understood that the Devil played a role in tempting and influencing their actions.

In the case of Peter, as mentioned earlier, Jesus referred to him as "Satan" in Matthew 16:23. This indicates that Peter was influenced by a temptation or a mindset that aligned more with human concerns rather than the concerns of God. While the extent and nature of the Devil's involvement in Peter's specific actions are not clarified in the biblical text, it can be inferred that the Devil may have used his weaknesses and fears to tempt him to act not according to God's will (but the emphasis here is that the Devil used him, in this context didn't want Christ to go to the cross).

Similarly, in the case of Judas, it is stated that Satan entered into him before he betrayed Jesus (Luke 22:3). This suggests a direct involvement of the Devil in influencing Judas' decision to betray Jesus to the religious authorities. The motive behind the Devil's involvement in Judas' actions is not explicitly mentioned, but it can be understood as an attempt to "facilitate?" God's plan and bring about the arrest and crucifixion of Jesus.

These accounts highlight the belief that the Devil seeks to undermine and oppose God's work by influencing individuals to act in ways that are contrary to God's will but in the case of Judas it wasn't so. The specific mechanisms and extent of the Devil's involvement are not always clearly defined, but the general understanding is that he can exert influence and tempt individuals toward evil actions(one was against(Peter used by Satan) and the other was in line (Judas betrayal) ).

Pls how can all this be reconciled with the belief that Satan is "evil"... I guess the Devil was confused?
What are some other implications of this narrative?

Tourist42:
∆ The point is Peter(*used by Satan) wanted to stop Christ from going to the Cross, which was against God's plan of Jesus going to the Cross.
∆ Buh in the case of Judas and even Peter(*also used by Satan to betray Christ), you would notice that this action facilitated Christ going to the Cross.
∆ Did Satan change is mind or what? Or are they two different Satan here? Was he taking two sides or what? ∆ How do u reconcile this two different workings with the fact that Satan is seen as a transgressor of God's plan?

Tourist42:


The point is Peter(*used by Satan) wanted to stop Christ from going to the Cross, which was against God's plan of Jesus going to the Cross.
Buh in the case of Judas and even Peter(*also used by Satan to betray Christ), you would notice that this action facilitated Christ going to the Cross.

Did Satan change is mind or what? Or are they two different Satan here? Was he taking two sides or what? How do u reconcile this two different workings with the fact that Satan is seen as a transgressor of God's plan?

Veecruz:


Did i not explain and show you satan's moves developed to program of kill-kill?

And that he ochestrated.several plans of murdering Christ as proven by Herod's search for the baby, Jesus?

And that God used Satan's kill kill plan to His own advantage which is why we satan trying to use Peter to stop it, hence you rightly observed that he "changed his mind".

But, you did not ask "from what?"

Your comment to the other devil with the name of Satan already reveals that you are planning to say that the bible is contradictory, whereas, it is not and you even know it and. i have just explained this differences/what transpired between the 2 cases.

But the evil in you just like what happened to peter and judas will not let see it and will keep pushing you to do evil as you resist and only stops after you have done.the evil.

We have all experienced this so you ought to.understand the bible if you Truly wanted to understand it.

Tourist42:


If Satan was after Jesus' life, wat was now the wrong of Peter as he was trying to prevent the arrest of Jesus? Why would he be called "*Satan" as he wanted to stop Jesus arrest due to his care for Christ at this point?

Veecruz:


On the surface, you see care for Christ, whereas, underneath, it is a thwarting of God's Plan as Satan has always done as i have

Tourist42:


This time around Satan doesn't want Christ to die??

Veecruz:


That's what i said

"God played Satan and used his kill-kill against him, which Satan only real eyesed too late."

Tourist42:

Or there is an inconsistency somewhere? Someone who always wanted to kill you , all of a sudden wants to save you. Where is d logic in dis? *One must be wrong!, de can't coexist!! One negates the other....

Tourist42:
■ If Satan was after Jesus' life, wat was now
■ the wrong of Peter as he was trying to prevent the arrest of Jesus?
■ Why would he be called "*Satan" as he wanted to stop Jesus arrest due to his care for Christ at this point?

22 Peter took Jesus away from the other followers to talk to him alone. He began to criticize him. He said, “God save you from those sufferings, Lord! That will never happen to you!”
23 Then Jesus said to Peter, “Get away from me, Satan! You are not helping me! You don’t care about the same things God does. You care only about things that people think are important.”
24 Then Jesus said to his followers, “If any of you want to be my follower, you must stop thinking about yourself and what you want. You must be willing to carry the cross that is given to you for following me. - Matthew 16 vs 22 - 24