BlueRayDick:


U no see how he was advocating for the team.to scout players that will play to Xhaka rhythm ni.

Like say na Xhaka be Arsenal Legend wey win champions league for us when he was a youngster and now he's finding it hard we must support him

He get optimum optimism abeg!

And if you no get strong mind, he will want to sway you from your thinking..
Spy is Wenger 2.0

Arsenal in 2003

............. Henry......... Kanu................
Pires.. ..Vieira..... Gilberto... Ljunberg
Cole.... Toure ..... Campbell.. Lauren
..................... Lehmann.......................



We need to go back to 4-4-2

olabode89:
Lmao! Look at all this Gayner fans attributing United's win to zero tactics and 100% passion. I am not sure you guys watched the match.

United played a 3-5-2 formation with two fast split attackers. The main idea was to defend robustly with Matic and Fred screening the centre of the defence. Speedy James was played on the right side of the attack to enable him trouble the much slower and rash Zichenko and Otamendi respectively. Bruno was giving a free role in the midfield to enable him play Martial or James on goal.

Maguire was also given the license to step out of defence to enable him stay close to Aguero, in this scenario Matic would always drop deep to cover the space left by Maguire.

Saying we had zero tactics is just unfair. When Mahrez came on and started raping young Brandon Williams, We had to move Shaw to LB and Bailly as a Sub to CB. McTominay was also brought in for Martial to break play up and pack the midfield. When we didn't have an outlet to play over the top, Ighalo was brought in. Are all this not tactics.

How can a team beat the opponent 3 times with the same formation and tactics and you guys are still saying the team had no tactics and the victories were as a result of passion is baffling.

It was more of passion than tactics, how come we don't see such against the Everton and Burnleys.

Spy360:
Arsenal in 2003

............. Henry......... Kanu................
Pires.. ..Vieira..... Gilberto... Ljunberg
Cole.... Toure ..... Campbell.. Lauren
..................... Lehmann.......................



We need to go back to 4-4-2

You see how they look like giants, see Viera

They bossed everywhere, win duels, cover grounds,doesn't chicken out and were brave to the core. 442 will work for them.

Far from slow,weak,soft and laziness.

Fkhalifa:

It was more of passion than tactics, how come we don't see such against the Everton and Burnleys.

Did you watch both games against Burnley and Everton.

Hope you know we won 2-0 at Turf Moor. At Old Trafford we missed couple of chances before conceding from a set piece and a wonderful goal from Jay Rodriquez.

Against Everton at Old Trafford we conceded a goal from a set piece and De gea was also fouled. At Goodison park De Gea made a stupid mistake. In both games we employed different tactics and had good chances to win the game.

olabode89:


Did you watch both games against Burnley and Everton.

Hope you know we won 2-0 at Turf Moor. At Old Trafford we missed couple of chances before conceding from a set piece and a wonderful goal from Jay Rodriquez.

Against Everton at Old Trafford we conceded a goal from a set piece and De gea was also fouled. At Goodison park De Gea made a stupid mistake. In both games we employed different tactics and had good chances to win the game.

I saw those games, utd looked just good but not as what we saw against city, even if city had won the game, I'll still commend your players, I'm not taking away tactics,but more was from the efforts from players.
You can read and watch post match analysis.

....... Aubameyang... Lacazette.....
Saka... Xhaka.... Ceballos... Pepe
Tierney... Mari.... Luiz.... Bellerin
...................... Leno.........................


................ Nketiah...... Martinelli ...........
Nelson... Guendouzi.. Torriera....... Ozil
Kolasinac.. Socrates.. Mustafi.... Soares
........................... Martinez......................

olabode89:


Did you watch both games against Burnley and Everton.

Hope you know we won 2-0 at Turf Moor. At Old Trafford we missed couple of chances before conceding from a set piece and a wonderful goal from Jay Rodriquez.

Against Everton at Old Trafford we conceded a goal from a set piece and De gea was also fouled. At Goodison park De Gea made a stupid mistake. In both games we employed different tactics and had good chances to win the game.

Are you implying that passion wasn't a major factor?

Fkhalifa:

I saw those games, utd looked just good but not as what we saw against city, even if city had won the game, I'll still commend your players, I'm not taking away tactics,but more was from the efforts from players.
You can read and watch post match analysis.

Of course local derbies will usually arouse a lot of passion from both teams therefore some passion is expected from our players. My issue was the ballant disregard of the tactics employed by United especially when the same tactics was utilized in 3 of our previous games against City that led to 2 victories.

Spy360:

Are you implying that passion wasn't a major factor?

I am implying that tactics as much as passion led to the victory especially when the same tactics led to 2bwins out of 3 in our previous encounter this season.

olabode89:


I am implying that tactics as much as passion led to the victory especially when the same tactics led to 2bwins out of 3 in our previous encounter this season.

While you are not wrong.

In games of such magnitude, passion is the biggest factor because it takes passion to make any tactic work.

Fkhalifa:

You see how they look like giants, see Viera

They bossed everywhere, win duels, cover grounds,doesn't chicken out and were brave to the core. 442 will work for them.

Far from slow,weak,soft and laziness.

Every position had someone you can vouch for.

Una see Lucas Perez wey no know where post dey for Arsenal, see him in the top 3 goal scorers in La Ligor

Spy360:
....... Aubameyang... Lacazette.....
Saka... Xhaka.... Ceballos... Pepe
Tierney... Mari.... Luiz.... Bellerin
...................... Leno.........................


................ Nketiah...... Martinelli ...........
Nelson... Guendouzi.. Torriera....... Ozil
Kolasinac.. Socrates.. Mustafi.... Soares
........................... Martinez......................

Well...442 go hardly work. At least, not with the personnel we're having. Also, have you noticed most teams don't use 442 now? Cos of games presently revolves around control of the game and possession-based. With 442, against a team that uses 4231(which wasn't predominant around 2000-2004), our midfield will just collapse. Even against the modern day 433, our midfield will so collapse too.

BlueRayDick:
Una see Lucas Perez wey no know where post dey for Arsenal, see him in the top 3 goal scorers in La Ligor

The guy is good same with podolski but that old man will prefer welbeck or giroud. Let me just leave the old man today

Fkhalifa:

You see how they look like giants, see Viera

They bossed everywhere, win duels, cover grounds,doesn't chicken out and were brave to the core. 442 will work for them.

Far from slow,weak,soft and laziness.

I swear...you see that team?
Aside KANU that might look like a weakling in that squad, then rest and MEN, both in skills and strength. They can't compare it with the current arsenal presently.

BlueRayDick:
Una see Lucas Perez wey no know where post dey for Arsenal, see him in the top 3 goal scorers in La Ligor

Lol... Forget, na Wenger no utilize am. Person wey score 7 goals in 21 matches, as mostly a sub. Na Wenger love for giroud no make us no see him potential well

Spy360:
Arsenal in 2003

............. Henry......... Kanu................
Pires.. ..Vieira..... Gilberto... Ljunberg
Cole.... Toure ..... Campbell.. Lauren
..................... Lehmann.......................



We need to go back to 4-4-2

Arsenal fan that doesn't know his starting lineups....
What is Kanu doing in the starting xi when a player like berjkamp was around

Jodera:
Well...442 go hardly work. At least, not with the personnel we're having. Also, have you noticed most teams don't use 442 now? Cos of games presently revolves around control of the game and possession-based. With 442, against a team that uses 4231(which wasn't predominant around 2000-2004), our midfield will just collapse. Even against the modern day 433, our midfield will so collapse too.

No. In total football model, there can be variations. For example, you have two strikers leading he press when defending, or one of the strikers drops into the midfield, or shunts to the side while one of the wingers shifts into the middle, or one of the centre midfielders drops into the CB position to form a 5 man defense. All these depends on the opposition and situations.

The good thing about this formation is it's balance. This was what I noticed after watching some of our pass matches in the good old days. We had the possession and slick movement, the press, the goals, one on one situations etc. Even the defense was solid. I wondered why Wenger chose to change to a 4-5-1 just because of Fabregas. The 4-4-2 days were so electric. I wished those days could return.

kendrick93:
Arsenal fan that doesn't know his starting lineups....
What is Kanu doing in the starting xi when a player like berjkamp was around

Don't be silly, Kanu was better than Bergkamp that year.

@Jodera, how was January the weakling in Arsenal 2003? All these small children go dey argue with baba like me.

Spy360:

Don't be silly, Kanu was better than Bergkamp that year.

@Jodera, how was January the weakling in Arsenal 2003? All these small children go dey argue with baba like me.

Kanu the bench warmer better than bergkamp? hahaha
Bergkamp that's probably top10 of arsenal's greatest players?

kendrick93:
Kanu the bench warmer better than bergkamp? hahaha
Bergkamp that's probably top10 of arsenal's greatest players?

Sorry.
Thought it was that season Bergkamp retired. Or wasn't it?

Spy360:

Don't be silly, Kanu was better than Bergkamp that year.

@Jodera, how was January the weakling in Arsenal 2003? All these small children go dey argue with baba like me.

Actually, wen I called KANU weakling was that he wasn't a starter. I mean, throughout the league I'm not sure his starting appearances reached 10 sef for league. Total appearances that season was 30 for KANU(including Carling, fa, and league). How then is he a regular in arsenal team. A team featuring Henry, Pires, Bergkamp, Ljumberg and Wiltord in attack. Where him wan dey start?

kendrick93:
Kanu the bench warmer better than bergkamp? hahaha
Bergkamp that's probably top10 of arsenal's greatest players?

Jodera:
Actually, wen I called KANU weakling was that he wasn't a starter. I mean, throughout the league I'm not sure his starting appearances reached 10 sef for league. Total appearances that season was 30 for KANU(including Carling, fa, and league). How then is he a regular in arsenal team. A team featuring Henry, Pires, Bergkamp, Ljumberg and Wiltord in attack. Where him wan dey start?

You correct bro. My bad.

Spy360:

Sorry.
Thought it was that season Bergkamp retired. Or wasn't it?

Bergkamp left arsenal the last season we reached UCL final. Tho he wasn't featuring much

Spy360:

You correct bro. My bad.

Lol... After you don call me small pikin finish.
No p bro...

Spy360:

Sorry.
Thought it was that season Bergkamp retired. Or wasn't it?

Same Bergkamp that was on the bench in 2006 cl final?
He retired in 2006

Jodera:
Lol... After you don call me small pikin finish.
No p bro...

Forgive your bros Biko.

Jodera:
I swear...you see that team?
Aside KANU that might look like a weakling in that squad, then rest and MEN, both in skills and strength. They can't compare it with the current arsenal presently.

KANU wasn't that a weakling, he is more like Mahrez, he wasn't weak in thought and ability, just the low energy and pace.
Kanu will take you on,win fouls and penalties.

Spy360:

Forgive your bros Biko.

Lol... No p bro. All na banter, I get

Fkhalifa:

KANU wasn't that a weakling, he is more like Mahrez, he wasn't weak in thought and ability, just the low energy and pace.
Kanu will take you on,win fouls and penalties.

When I said he was the weakling, was not literal. I said it cos he wasn't in our 1st eleven in that 2003/2004 season. (Just like, not our Strong 11).
I didn't mean he doesn't have the required skills in thought, process or ability.