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Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by Assetosky(m): 2:27pm On Jun 03
Pufpufpass:
100k is okay please

Shey you go help me pay my pos worker 100k a month?
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by Coronavirus1: 2:28pm On Jun 03
[quote author=TonyeBarcanista post=130283697][/quote]
Don't speak for state they have money to pay workers
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by gahyip(m): 2:28pm On Jun 03
helinues:
Toh

My own curiosity is, if some states are still paying the N18k minimum wage claiming they can't afford N30k.

How then do you expect such states to pay anything above N100k?

We are even yet to talk about the private sectors. Would they be able to afford above N100k minimum wage? Even if the minimum wage is pegged around N80k, there would still be lay off.

How about the inflation the ridiculous amount N464k abi na how much NLC would cause?

https://www.nairaland.com/8113134/n70-n80k-realistic-minimum-wage
Why can't they? To be Frank nigerian entre revenue can pay all the 36 state workers 1 million naira per month but due to corruptions they will want to do it these money are transferred into individual accounts and syphon abroad.
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by RepoMan007: 2:28pm On Jun 03
Well said but when govt decides to be wasteful and do it so openly, the labour force have less restraint to demand better pay.
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by TableLeg(m): 2:28pm On Jun 03
Government will not and can't afford to pay what they are demanding, Nigeria workers deserve more, when you look at the way the economy has been vandalized by the useless and evil APC, but let's be realistic, no government can afford to pay what NLC is demanding.

These guys will have to return to the negotiation table and find a solution.
Our daily prayer in the midst of all of these is that everyone and everything APC stands for should perish inshaa Allah!
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by Texs: 2:29pm On Jun 03
I recommend Governor Obaseki model of governance to everyone in offices including the private sectors;
1, Eliminate waste in government.
2, stop sharing /using government money for political patronages.
3, All revenue collection to government account with transparency.
4, Expand, increase and account for all revenue collected transparently. A lot of revenue collected across all states are being diverted. This is where Edo fixed the leakages. To the FGN, please stop capital flight abroad.
5, politician and department heads to live and set example of prudence in government offices.
And 6, reduce the cost of governance.
Lastly, Edo state used to be a civil servant state owning years and months of salaries and pensions. Then came a single minded humble but serious individual with a plan, the result is there for all to see.

Wages and salaries in Nigeria are too low, government must find a way to enable Nigerians to spend more, that increase employment and productivity in the economy.
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by capnies: 2:30pm On Jun 03
[quote author=TonyeBarcanista post=130283697][/quote]

ABEG GO SLEEP, THE POLITICIANS THAT ARE TAKING 500 PEOPLES SALARY AT ONCE, THAT ONE DOES NOT INCREASE INFLATION.
RUBBER TALK
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by Omoapena(m): 2:31pm On Jun 03
Truth is, anything above 120k will cause hyperinflation, 100naira will be phase out, and the cheapest thing will start from 200naira and this will cause serious problem to the nation.


I guess what the labour should ask for should correlate with the increase in fuel price and inflation, maybe an increase of 230% will be feasible and ideal.
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by codedguy1(m): 2:33pm On Jun 03
Jokerman:
Oga, let the FG cut down some moribund workers...

S realistic minimum wage should be 100K for government offices, and private workers 50/60K.

Private school teachers should not drop less than 40K as minimum wage for NCE grads, and 60/70k for BSC... Increase schools fess, and reduce teachers,by retaining the effective ones.

Let Govt cut down on some workers, but of course party politics won't allow them.... grin

They should cut their own salaries first before cutting any worker from work.
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by SouthSouth1914: 2:33pm On Jun 03
TonyeBarcanista:

Bro, at 60k minimum wage, cost of commodities will increase significantly, workers will be laid off, people will suffer. NLC is misguided

NLC isn’t misguided, it is the government and folks like you that are. NLC is only reacting to what the government and series of unpopular economic policies that have grounded activities!

Tinubu discontinued fuel subsidy with promise of not borrowing. Right now, he is borrowing on astronomical basis more than before! Does the president even know what he has done to common Nigerians?
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by Temidayo9(m): 2:35pm On Jun 03
wirinet:


Gbam.
When the government increased tarrif on rice, wheat and vehicles to 70%, we did not experience deflation or even an decrease in inflation.

When the government increased VAT from 5% yo 7.5%, we did not experience deflation.

When the government floated the Naira from N400 to N700 and now to N1400, we did not experience deflation.

When the FG and state budget and expenditure keep increasing year on year without corresponding increase in wages, we did not experience deflation.

It is only when minimum living wage, which cannot even sustain a students running expenses for one month is discussed that we realize it would lead to inflation.
You have said it all, some people are naturally wicked, it's just a pity
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by Timothy89(m): 2:35pm On Jun 03
AqualinaXYZ:



Real Lagos owners say they no want them and una to stay in one South West




You’re crying the wrong cry




Leave minimum wage alone moreover you’re jobless and cry the real eviction cry from owners of Lagos


Go and get a job, you're trolling someone who literally ignore you and you're calling him jobless? Dude if you've job or sth doing you won't be looking for Helinus post to exercise your fooolishness with


Advise yourself and stop practicing the fooool that you're
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by TRAPLORD13: 2:38pm On Jun 03
Prigidypogodo:
a country that maps out over 200 billion for some useless religious adventure should be able to pay workers 100k minimum wages.
inflation no affect us when ministers, senators and public servants including presidency lavish billions on irrelevant things.
it's when workers demands an increment that inflation will happen.
yes let them increase our salary and let's see the inflation.
make una stop all these nonsense and stop defending rubbish.
If you guys know how much is being carted out of this country on irrelevant stuffs you'll see that Nigeria can easily pay 150k minimum wage and nothing will happen.
a federal senate that offers virtually nothing is being paid millions since democracy till today excluding their constituency funds which they embezzle.
inflation no hit Nigeria na when poor workers demands ordinary few thousands will heaven fall.
well I can never trust political writers and you're one.
Very illogical reasoning if you ask me
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by lexy2014: 2:38pm On Jun 03
TonyeBarcanista:

Rather than fight for more money that would turnout useless to workers and every other person, the organized labour should fight against anti-people policies of the President Bola Tinubu led APC administration that have crippled the economy and killed productivity. They should fight against greed of public servants, mismanagement of our resources by those in authority and seek improvement in our economy so as to make our little have significant value.

very true. absolutely agree
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by blowjohn(m): 2:39pm On Jun 03
Mr Tonye: the hundreds of millions of dollars buhari them earmaked for conditional cash transfer and the coastal road they want to build now..... Does that tell u the government has been serious?
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by Kokomaster69: 2:41pm On Jun 03
helinues:
Toh

My own curiosity is, if some states are still paying the N18k minimum wage claiming they can't afford N30k.

How then do you expect such states to pay anything above N100k?

We are even yet to talk about the private sectors. Would they be able to afford above N100k minimum wage? Even if the minimum wage is pegged around N80k, there would still be lay off.

How about the inflation the ridiculous amount N464k abi na how much NLC would cause?

https://www.nairaland.com/8113134/n70-n80k-realistic-minimum-wage

As far as I am concerned, all the states in Nigeria are not poor. Governors make it look like that, why are the governors looting their respective states dry ? When they are looting, the states are not poor, they become poor when the time of workers welfare comes up.
If all the governors can be very prudent in spending and curb corruption , they will be having money in abundance to be used for the people of the states.
Private sectors like banks and others can comfortably pay 100k or 150k without stress.
Maybe other small scale businesses can be considered as usual.
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by triplechoice(m): 2:43pm On Jun 03
@TonyeBarcanista

Your op is replete with half truths and misinformation.

Unlike in other countries where more than 60% of workers benefit from minimum wage increase, only about 5% of the workforce in Nigeria enjoys it.The private sector in Nigeria have only few of them forced to pay it under the law. The others which constitute close to 90% of the employers of labour in that sector have been exempted by law from paying minimum wage. If you don't have 25 or more staff in your payroll as a private business owner in this country, you don't pay minimum wage. You're free to negotiate with your staff what you can afford to pay in such a situation.

And It's for this reason we have never experienced hyperinflation whenever minimum wage is reviewed upwards. It doesn't ever result to too much money entering the system.

Inflation is a normal occurrence in all countries of the world and it's not caused by minimum wage increase alone. No government in the world can prevent inflation from happening. They can only manage it. So I don't understand why you lots keep shouting inflation! inflation as if it's something that can be prevented from happening . Or can you mention any country in the world where there they don't ever experience an increase in inflation?

In this country and in other countries of the world, evidences from the past proves that it's only marginal increase in certain goods and services that usually occur, which is normal, whenever there's an increase in minimum wage , not enough to cause hyperinflation. The figures you gave to buttress your points is based on half truth. Minimum wage increase is not the only thing responsible for inflation. There are other factors involved which you haven't mentioned for a reason only you can tell.

Finally, Inflation is not same as hyperinflation. Please don't try to conflate the two. We never going to experience hyperinflation from an increase in the minimum wage of less than 5% of the working force in Nigeria.
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by ponishah: 2:44pm On Jun 03
[quote author=TonyeBarcanista post=130283697][/quote]

Let NLC breath, for God's sake...
Tinubu and his bunch of politicians are reckless irresponsible rascals.
They don't know governance and don't care about Nigeria and Nigerians. The state governors and all Nigerian political office holders are thieves, no one governs, they all loot.
Governance in Nigeria from the local government, state government to federal government is pure crude looting, it is open, it is not even a secret.
How can a president's first duty in office was to increase the prices of petroleum to an unimaginable amount.
Nigeria has never been this hopeless, food is unaffordable , people are dying from hunger and the best the government could do was to change the national anthem.
God, who did this to us?
Akpabio and the assembly are laughable, this generation of politicians are shameless, the party name is now irrelevant.

If you don't like NLC , that's your own, inflation is a recurring case in Nigeria, whether you increase minimum wage or reduce it , inflation is the regular trademark of apc
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by NovusHomo(m): 2:51pm On Jun 03
helinues:


The social intervention programs by FG could litigate mitigate the effects of the increase in minimum wage
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by press9jatv: 2:53pm On Jun 03
Jayhome24:
No need telling them dem go learn in hard way. The market women are waiting for such massive wages increment with already deady price hike, commodities prices will be multiply by 100% and do these morons know something? Tinubu, Atiku and even obi that is pushing them are already made billionaires who can afford a bag of rice even at 500k per bag.

Una think una dey do Tinububa? Hunger go hammer una Well shey una too stupid simply one idot lost election everything must collapse ba? Una never see hunger yet.

Tinubu will thrash una a s s for 8 years dat hunger go kpai many of you morons thinking you are hurting Tinubu not knowing you are hurting yourself and your family.

Una go learn hard way...
As if hunger no hammer them well before. Keep on defending your oppressors here. Fg should yield to the Labour unions demands on the new minimum wage bill
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by Honestey: 2:55pm On Jun 03
Why are some people always quick to make reference to states that are not paying N30k minimum wage and ignoring the much higher number of states paying that much and even more? And those states paying less than N30k are doing so because the labour unions in those states are just as useless as a dirty tissue paper because their governors can't deny the obvious fact that they are getting enough allocation from FG in addition to allocation to LGA they are hijacking. If anyone think N60k minimum wage is ok, let him give us its breakdown,
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by press9jatv: 2:57pm On Jun 03
Omoapena:
Truth is, anything above 120k will cause hyperinflation, 100naira will be phase out, and the cheapest thing will start from 200naira and this will cause serious problem to the nation.


I guess what the labour should ask for should correlate with the increase in fuel price and inflation, maybe an increase of 230% will be feasible and ideal.
let it happen, we want to see the effect first. As if the economy is blinking even at the pay of #30k minimum wage. Fg should yield to the Labour unions demands on the new minimum wage bill
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by Timmi: 2:57pm On Jun 03
[quote author=TonyeBarcanista post=130283697][/quote]

I agreed 100%. The NLC should be about fighting corruption but they can not because they are part and parcel of the corruption in Nigeria. The aim of the NLC is to cause unrest because their own part LP did not win, hence this is about politics and not about the welfare of the working people.

When 15 of the States can not pay the current minimum wage of 30,000, how will they be able to able to 495k the useless Ajaero is advocating for, and inflation that will follow. It makes no sense but then as part of the Obizombies, Ajaero lack sense (both common and innate).
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by bixton(m): 3:00pm On Jun 03
[quote author=TonyeBarcanista post=130283697][/quote]

Certain times when we see certain ideologies and write up, we just believe this persons are being soonsored by the government.

The so called inflation that's existing what is the cause of it now that the minimum wage has not been increased.

Even if you say that the NLC is not reaonable why dont you propose a reasonable amount to be paid as minimum wage and kindly do the breakdown into how it would be spent.

Just for a 30 day period and for a single individual with no one depending on him/her.

Transport
Toiletries
Feeding
Utilities
Medical


You can add more
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by benjaminlawson(m): 3:01pm On Jun 03
Prigidypogodo:
a country that maps out over 200 billion for some useless religious adventure should be able to pay workers 100k minimum wages.
inflation no affect us when ministers, senators and public servants including presidency lavish billions on irrelevant things.
it's when workers demands an increment that inflation will happen.
yes let them increase our salary and let's see the inflation.
make una stop all these nonsense and stop defending rubbish.
If you guys know how much is being carted out of this country on irrelevant stuffs you'll see that Nigeria can easily pay 150k minimum wage and nothing will happen.
a federal senate that offers virtually nothing is being paid millions since democracy till today excluding their constituency funds which they embezzle.
inflation no hit Nigeria na when poor workers demands ordinary few thousands will heaven fall.
well I can never trust political writers and you're one.

I totally agree with you on the above assertion, those that are advocate of inflation when salary increased are paid agents of government. Also those who complain that private sectors may not be able to pay is also false, because many private companies are paying above minimum wage. The state governments that people are insinuation that they may not pay is also false, they have more than enough to pay, but prefer to enrich themselves at the expense of masses and workers that is why they always claimed they cant pay. If you see the billions they are wasting on daily bases you will pity Nigeria, this is what make many of them to be running up and down after leaving office as EFCC is after them e.g yeye bello.
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by Babysho(m): 3:01pm On Jun 03
yommen:


Labour know they can't get 464k. They just want something reasonable. Government should be reasonable too. An average senator earns roughly 13m every month while you who do the work is demanding for 80k. Benin Republic minimum wage is CFA52,000 which amounts to N127,000. Same goes for Togo. SA is N2,150. 8 hours in SA is N17k. I. 20 days, you have over 300k in Naira. Why are you demanding for 80k? Senators earn up to N13m every month. Go and change your poverty mindset.

What useless inflation are you talking about.? A bag of rice already rose from 8k to 80k with the same 18k/30k minimum wage. From January last year till now, garri rose from 1,200 to 4k. What other time of inflation do you now want to talk about?

Even though the creator of this thread and a couple others are clearly agents of APC, a lot of Nigerians are not class conscious and mistakenly take the side of their elites. Some who work like slaves don't even believe they deserve to be paid anything over 100k. The elites have really won the class warfare.

I created a topic a couple days to show poor NL the relationship between NLC and class struggle and the need for the poor people to keep QUIET but of course, it doesn't make front page.
https://www.nairaland.com/8107963/class-warfare-labour-union

Increase in wages doesn't cause inflation. It is increase in money in circulation that does. And this means something has to give for the people of Nigeria to live lives of dignity and the economy to remain stable at the same time.
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by Gunboat127(m): 3:06pm On Jun 03
Normally what we are supposed to be looking at is tackling the anti people policies of government and the factors that are causing the inflation like increase in fuel and electricity amongst others.putting into consideration that fact that the cause of this inflation is not an increase or decrease in wages but rather the factors aforementioned above,the nlc has all cause to call for an increase in wages because the government has not shown perspicacity at all..how do you implement anti people policies that threaten to Sapp the life out of the common man and you expect them to endure it with the meagre amount they earn monthly ..even if we know that an increase in wages because of the laws of economics will also result in a commensurate increase in food and services,what do you want labour to do when the government has refused to let go of these Draconian policies angry
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by Resonance2019: 3:06pm On Jun 03
Prigidypogodo:
a country that maps out over 200 billion for some useless religious adventure should be able to pay workers 100k minimum wages.
inflation no affect us when ministers, senators and public servants including presidency lavish billions on irrelevant things.
it's when workers demands an increment that inflation will happen.
yes let them increase our salary and let's see the inflation.honestly he is one of them. Defending and caping nonsense.
make una stop all these nonsense and stop defending rubbish.
If you guys know how much is being carted out of this country on irrelevant stuffs you'll see that Nigeria can easily pay 150k minimum wage and nothing will happen.
a federal senate that offers virtually nothing is being paid millions since democracy till today excluding their constituency funds which they embezzle.
inflation no hit Nigeria na when poor workers demands ordinary few thousands will heaven fall.
well I can never trust political writers and you're one.
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by udemzyudex(m): 3:09pm On Jun 03
Who is bank rolling you?
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by Jokerman(m): 3:11pm On Jun 03
codedguy1:


They should cut their own salaries first before cutting any worker from work.

Yes I support this.

Why will a govt appointee have up to 100 personal assistants if no be wereype
Re: Minimum Wage: Let's Be Reasonable - TonyeBarcanista by jojothaiv(m): 3:11pm On Jun 03
Temidayo9:

Hnmm. But it was easy to increase fuel from 220/Lt to 700/Lt. It was very easy to increase university tuition from 25k to 300k.
It's very easy, tell Tinubu to return everything back to the old pricee and we forget about new wage increase
Most of his fans wouldn't see this and again, they should also reduce the cost of governance let it reflect with the current realities on ground.

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