2. Praying repetitive words using Rosary beads is forbidden.

FACT: Catholics pray repetitive words with Rosary Beads that were first invented in 1090 AD, by "Peter the Hermit" and made popular by St. Dominic in 1208 AD. Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. From this time, Catholics prayed 15 sets of 10 consecutive "hail Marys" in a row (150 times), in the Rosary. However, in 2003 AD, Pope John Paul added a new set of Mysteries, so now it is 20 sets of 10 "Hail Marys", (200 times in the Rosary, in total.) Catholics will vainly appeal to Psalm 136 that alternates the same phrase 26 times with 26 different blessings God gives us. It is not 26 in a row as with the rosary! This is also a song, not a prayer. Revelation 4:8 has "angels singing" not "men praying".

Historical note: Roman Catholics borrowed the idea of praying with beads from the pagan religions who were already using them hundreds of years before: In 456 AD, Hindus are thought to have introduced the concept of praying with beads to the world. The earliest reference to a rosary (boberkhas) is in their "Jain Canon" (456 AD) These boberkhas had various numbers of beads 6,9,12,18,36 (any sub-multiple of 108) Islam (610 AD) uses a rosary of 99 beads, one for each of the names of God. Buddhists have 108 prayer beads on the string. The Rosary is of pagan origin and no Christian prior to 1000 AD used beads to pray.

Question #1: Did Jesus forbid repetitive prayer using Rosary Beads?

Answer:

"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. Matthew 6:7

plappville:

@Ojukwu24, No accusation to anyone here as sinner, the way the catholic practice baptism is wrong if looked into the word and meaning of batism. If they sin to God by doing so that is for God to judge them. I ve reasons for posting this thread and the thread itself stated the reasons. There are many ignorants out there today in the catholic that believe that, just for the sake their infants are baptised, they are saved, Salvation in this case is enrased. There is no bad or evil intension in purlging out certain things that seem not to biblical. If u love Jesus, u will be unconfortable seeing many been led astray from Godly doctrine, Loving God/Jesus is not only to be contended by urself. I u u can rescue soul for him why not do it?

I don't think you read the Romans 14 I wrote in my previous post.

I love God/Jesus but will teach biblical things in the right way (in Love). You might have good intentions in what you are doing but in a wrong way. Have you read about the encounter Paul had with the men of Athens when saw the inscriptions on their alters "TO THE UNKNOWN GOD". Read Acts 17:22 down and see how Paul handled that issue and they believed him.
Your work is to tell them and keep praying for them and allow the Holy Spirit to do the main work of conviction. Paul said we should do the correction in love. This should also be done with wisdom. trying to force it down their throat will make them not really see reasons with you.

Ojukwu24:

I don't think you read the Romans 14 I wrote in my previous post.

I love God/Jesus but will teach biblical things in the right way (in Love). You might have good intentions in what you are doing but in a wrong way. Have you read about the encounter Paul had with the men of Athens when saw the inscriptions on their alters "TO THE UNKNOWN GOD". Read Acts 17:22 down and see how Paul handled that issue and they believed him.
Your work is to tell them and keep praying for them and allow the Holy Spirit to do the main work of conviction. Paul said we should do the correction in love. This should also be done with wisdom. trying to force it down their throat will make them not really see reasons with you.

I will take note of these verses, honestly i am not forcing anyone, i know forcing is not preaching, christianty is a free will. I intentionally used the word "stop" in order to draw attentions to the thread.
Why will people be so blind to see the truth? ok, who ever that choosed to remain in the blind should, but why draging others by misqouting what is not in the bible and saying it's what it means.
Dont we ve understanding of words? Buriel does not mean sprinkle water, etc.

3. Virgin Mary.

FACT: Roman Catholics are taught the virgin Mary never had sex after Jesus was born and that Jesus had no brothers and sisters. The Pope teaches that Mary is the mediator between God and man. Catholics also engage in more praising of Mary than Jesus Christ himself and actually pray to her to have their prayers answered. Rosary Beads graphically represent how Roman Catholics heap 10 times more praise upon Mary than God himself. Of the 59 total beads of the Rosary, 53 beads are "Hail Marys", but only 6 beads are "Our Father". The Rosary most often ends with a "Hail, Holy Queen" prayer to Mary, not God.

Question #1: Did Jesus have brothers and sisters from the womb of Mary?

Answer:

"Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? "And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?" Matthew 13:55-56

Question #2: Did Joseph begin normal intimate relations with his wife after Jesus was born?

Answer:

"And Joseph awoke from his sleep and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took Mary as his wife, but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus." Matthew 1:24-25


Question #3: The Bible says there is only one mediator between God and man. Is mary that one mediator?]

Answer:

"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." 1 Timothy 2:5

Question #4: Catholics engage in endless praise of Mary. When a woman praised Jesus' mother to his face, did Jesus commend encourage this woman to continue praising Mary?

"While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the bosoms at which You nursed." But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."" Luke 11:27-28

Ojukwu24:

I don't think you read the Romans 14 I wrote in my previous post.

I love God/Jesus but will teach biblical things in the right way (in Love). You might have good intentions in what you are doing but in a wrong way. Have you read about the encounter Paul had with the men of Athens when saw the inscriptions on their alters "TO THE UNKNOWN GOD". Read Acts 17:22 down and see how Paul handled that issue and they believed him.
Your work is to tell them and keep praying for them and allow the Holy Spirit to do the main work of conviction. Paul said we should do the correction in love. This should also be done with wisdom. trying to force it down their throat will make them not really see reasons with you.

I appreciate what plappville is doing, no one is forcing anything on anyone , but she is coming out with biblical facts and inherent intents of the Word of God not views. The same topic had surfaced 100 years ago by the protestants and many where kill because of the revelation and closeness of some to reading directly the bible. But this was largely refused by the Church. PLAPPVILLe to me has not sounded forcefully but objectively or tried to push anyone's doctrinal ideology thru the eyes of the needle but has come to the standpoint of biblical empirical facts. Its our duty to put this out just as Paul pointed the heresy that was coming up in the churches in the early days in all his epistles to the churches in Corinths, colosse, Ephesian etc. Its left for every man to come into the reality of what the Word of God says.

4. Every Christian drinks of the communion cup

FACT: Although Roman Catholics are permitted to eat the bread (body) of the Lord's Supper, they are generally not allowed to drink the wine (blood) of the Lord's Supper, as any Catholic knows from his own experience from attending Mass. (Except on rare special occasions.) The laity (the people in the pews) are withheld the cup of the Lord and it is usually reserved for church leaders only. Yes there are denominations within the Roman Catholic "communion" where some RC sects actually offer the juice, but most Mass attending Catholics know they rarely drink the cup of wine.

Historical note: Two early popes condemned withholding the cup, (Pope Leo I [died 461 AD] and Pope Gelasius [died 496 Ad]; but in the 12th century the practice was begun, and formally approved by the Catholic Council of Constance in 1415 AD. So for the first 1000 years, the Catholics in the Pews drink the cup, then the Pope changed this apostolic tradition.

[b]Question #1: Did Christ and the apostle Paul command that every Christian should drink of the communion cup?

Answer: Matthew 26:26-28; 1 Corinthians 11:23-28

To the disciples: "Drink from it, all of you" Matthew 26:27

To the whole church in Corinth: "in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup." 1 Corinthians 11:28


("While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is My body." And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28)

("For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me." In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup." 1 Corinthians 11:23-28)[/b]

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5. All Christians are saints

FACT: The Pope says only very special dead Catholic people qualify to be called "saints". For example, Pope John Paul II could not make Mother Teresa a saint (official canonization) until after she was dead. The average Catholic in the pew is never called a "saint" dead or alive! In fact if a pew dwelling Catholic started calling himself a "saint", he would be rebuked by the parish priest!

Question #1: Was every living Christian in the church in Corinth called a saint?

Answer:

"To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours" 1 Corinthians 1:2

Question #2: Did Paul write the book of Ephesians to dead saints?

Answer:

"Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are at Ephesus and who are faithful in Christ Jesus" Ephesians 1:1

Question #3: Was the average Christian in the church at Philippi called a saint, in distinction to bishops and deacons?

Answer:

"Paul and Timothy, bond-servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, including the overseers and deacons" Philippians 1:1

Question #4: Was every Christian living in Rome called to be a saint?

Answer:

"to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." Romans 1:7

6. All Christians are priests

FACT: The Pope decided to reserve the title of "priest" to worn by church leaders only. The average pew dwelling Catholic never refer to themselves as "priests". In fact if a lay Catholic started calling himself a "priest", he would be rebuked by "the parish Priest"!

Question #1: Did Jesus make all Christians to be priests, including the average member in the pew?

Answer:

"you (all Christians) also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. " 1 Peter 2:5

"But you (all Christians) are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; " 1 Peter 2:9

"Jesus has made us (all Christians) to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen." Revelation 1:6

"You have made them (all Christians) to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth." Revelation 5:10

[size=16pt]7. Bishops must be Married.[/size]

FACT: In 1079 AD celibacy was first enforced for priests and bishops by Pope Gregory VII. Before this time, they were permitted to marry.

Question #1: Does the Bible teach that a bishop (overseer) must be married AND ALSO have children as one of the conditions of being qualified to be a bishop?

Answer:

"A bishop, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?)" 1 Timothy 3:2-5

Question #2: In the very next chapter of the Bible after bishops are told they must be married with children, does the Holy Spirit warn that "forbidding to marry" is a "doctrine of demons"?

Answer:

"But the Holy Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth." 1 Timothy 4:1-3

8. Peter was married.

FACT: Most Catholics believe that Apostle Peter was the first Pope and was not married. As one Roman Catholic leader said, "if Peter had a wife when he first met Jesus, he got rid of her quick!"

Question #1: Did Peter have a wife?

Answer:

"Now Simon's mother-in-law was lying sick with a fever; and immediately they spoke to Jesus about her." Mark 1:30

Question #2: Did Paul say all the apostles including Peter had a right to be married?

Answer:

"Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?" 1 Corinthians 9:5

9. Latin Mass forbidden

FACT: For over 1000 years, the Roman Catholic church often conducts their mass services entirely in the Latin language, when no one sitting in the pews understands the Latin language. Most Roman Catholics who have sat through such a Latin Mass service have wondered what is going on. It was not until 1965 AD that the Pope finally understood 1 Cor 14:19 and allowed masses to conducted in the same vernacular language of the local people. (English in North America)

Question #1: Is Latin Mass forbidden in the Bible when no one in the pews understands Latin?

Answer:

"in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue." 1 Corinthians 14:19

People can argue oh!
When i said logical reasoning, some people merely commenting are giving me their views which they have reasoned.
So because bible no state who baptise John the baptiser, wetin we go come conclude?
. . . .(besides he is age mates with Jesus  )

Like one person talk everything na your choice.
Every thing wey u no like or see for bible degree am as sin ( equate consulting oracle to google search and internet usage as sin since bible no specify internet)
Reasoning is only what makes u human. The brain is a terrible thing to waste!!!

[size=18pt]10. Observance of special days condemned[/size]

FACT: The Roman Catholic church has invented an entire yearly calendar of non Biblical holy Days like Lent, Easter, Christmas.

Historical note: No one prior to 335 AD celebrated the birthday of Jesus. The word "Christmas" (Christ + Mass) was first used in 1038 AD. Before 335 AD, the pagan cult of Mithra, the Iranian "god of light", had long celebrated December 25 as Mithra's birthday. December 21, being the winter solace, marked the beginning of days with increasing amount of light, hence December 25 celebrated Mithra's triumph over darkness. Because the pagan festival that celebrated Mithra's birthday was so popular, the Roman Catholic church adopted the day, but changed the meaning from the birthday of Mithra, the "god of light", to Christ's birthday, God the son, "light of the world". The old meaning of December 25 was connected with Mithra's triumph over physical darkness. The new meaning celebrated Jesus triumph over spiritual darkness. Eventually Christmas became dominant, the Mithra cult went extinct and today this origin is not widely known among Roman Catholics. None of the apostles or the early church celebrated the birthday of Jesus.

Question #1: Did the early Christians celebrate Christmas, Lent and Easter?

Answer:

"You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain." Galatians 4:10-11

Question #2: Are Christians told to remember the Lord's Death every Sunday?

Answer:

"On the first day of the week (Sunday), when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight." Acts 20:7

11. Worshipping idols, icons and images violates the 2nd commandment.

FACT: Catholics regularly bow down to idols, icons and images of Jesus, Mary and the apostles, kissing the feet of the statues and praying to them.

Historical note: The Pope deleted the 2nd of the 10 commandments so they could use statues & images in worship. They split the 10th commandment on coveting into two commandments so they could still have 10 in number. Don't believe this? Look at the list of 10 commandments published by the Roman Catholic church! The issue here is not how the Ten Commandments are numbered, rather the issue is that most published lists of the 10 commandments do not include the words, "you shall not for yourself an idol". Open your Catholic Bible and look for yourself!

Question #1: Does the 2nd commandment approve of bowing down and kissing idols?

Answer:

"You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them." Exodus 20:4-5

HERE COMES THE TOPIC THAT BROUGH UP THIS THREAD/

[size=18pt]12. Baptism is full immersion in water, not sprinkling.[/size]

FACT: The Catholic church baptizes babies by sprinkling a little water on them

Historical note: Greek work for baptism literally means immersion. There are separate words in Greek for sprinkling, pouring and immersion. Only the Greek word for immersion is ever used for Baptism in the Bible. The first recorded case of sprinkling was in 257 AD to someone on a sick-bed. It was then an exception to the rule and brought about fierce opposition from the whole church. Not until 757 AD did the church accept sprinkling in such sick-bed cases of necessity. It wasn't until 1311 AD, when the Catholic council of Ravenna, declared that sprinkling was and acceptable substitute for immersion and from that time forward sprinkling replaced immersion in the Roman Catholic church. The Orthodox church refused sprinkling and still immerses to this day.

Question #1: Was Jesus baptized by full immersion in the Jordan River?

Answer:

"After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him" Matthew 3:16

Question #2: When Philip baptized the Eunuch, did both of them go into the water?

Answer:

"And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away." Acts 8:38-39

Question #3: Can babies be baptized since they do not first believe?

Answer:

"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. Mark 16:16

"As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?" And Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." Acts 8:36-37

Question #4: Can babies be baptized since they do not first repent?

Answer:

"Brethren, what must we do?" Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:37-38

13. Original sin is false doctrine

FACT: Catholics say that infants inherit their parent's sin at conception and are therefore spiritually condemned and totally wicked.

Question #1: Is the doctrine of inherited original sin found in the Bible?

Answer:

"The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself." Ezekiel 18:20

Question #2: Did Jesus say little children are better models of purity and conduct than adults?

Answer:

"And He called a child to Himself and set him before them, and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 18:2-3

14. Every Christian can understand the Bible by merely read it.

FACT: Catholics are taught that only the priests can understand the Bible and the common man in the pew cannot understand the Bible without the priests help

Question #1: Do the scriptures say that when anyone reads the Bible, they can understand for themselves?

Answer:

"By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ" Ephesians 3:4


[size=18pt]15. Catholics are unwilling to defend their faith[/size]

FACT: When Roman Catholics are challenged from the Bible to defend their faith, they are unwilling or unable to defend what they believe and say the priest has the answer and never search the truth out for themselves. Priests and Bishops never get permission to have open public Bible discussions with honest Bible students like ourselves. Imagine a local parish priest publicly defending infant baptism against a Christian who taught the practice contradicted the Bible! It never happens! Forget what the Bible says, just trust the priest!

Question #1: Should a Christian be unable to defend what they believe from the Bible without the help of priests?

Answer:

"sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence" 1 Peter 3:15

16. Human tradition and man made doctrine is apostasy

FACT: The Pope teaches that he can change what is in the Bible if he wants.

Question #1: Did Jesus say it was OK for man to change what the word of God teaches for man-made Catholic doctrine?

Answer:

"'But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.' "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men." He was also saying to them, "You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition." Mark 7:7-9

Conclusion: How the Catholic church views the Bible

Below are the kinds of replies you can expect from a Roman Catholic priest if you ask him about the contents of this Bible study.

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Yes I know Matthew 23:9, seems to condemn calling me "Father", but you are not able to understand the Bible like I do.
Yes I know is appears like Jesus condemned the repetitive prayer of the Rosary beads in Matthew 6:7, but Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD and revealed to him the Rosary Beads herself!
Yes Matthew 13:55-56 seems to indicate that Jesus had brothers and sisters, but these were the children of Joseph from a previous marriage or just cousins.
Yes, I agree that 1 Timothy 2:5 sounds like Jesus is the only mediator between god and man, but the Pope decided she was indeed also a mediator between God and man[/size]

Anti-Infant baptism activists should please try to focus on more important things in life. Its a free world. If you think its wrong for an infant to be baptised, you and other like-minded individuals can simply opt out. All these doctrine wars are not helping. What difference does it make? What's wrong with someone taking a vow to raise an infant as a Christian till he/she is old enough to take responsibility for his/her Christian life (confirmation)?Does infant baptism condemn an infant to hell? Does adult baptism make you holier or guarantee salvation? did Jesus tell you it is wrong to baptize children?  Why is it an issue? Seriously, It's like your hair is on fire and the only thing you're worried about is the fact that u haven't combed it' instead of trying to put out the flames.  Christianity is facing a lot of challenges today, including but not limited to greed, dirty and disgusting politicking, theft, fake pastors, fake deacons, fake anointing, fake prophecies, fake Christians,  materialism, diabolic practices, worship of money, destruction of marriages, false visions and revelations, promoting and glorifying hate, segregation, discrimination, corruption, brainwashing of congregations and the general dumbing down of society, all in the name of God  and the only thing you're worried about is infant baptism. Guess that's the reason why Christianity is having no effect in Nigeria today. Stop digressing and redirect your priorities people. We're running out of time.

Yes Christ and Paul did command every Christian to drink of the communion cup in Matthew 26:26-28; 1 Corinthians 11:23-28. And Yes I know that two early popes condemned withholding the cup, (Pope Leo I [died 461 AD] and Pope Gelasius [died 496 Ad]; but in the 12th century the practice was begun, and formally approved by the Catholic Council of Constance in 1415 AD.
Was every living Christian in the church in Corinth called a saint?
Yes I know that in the Bible (1 Corinthians 1:2; Ephesians 1:1; Philippians 1:1; Romans 1:7) every Christian was a saint and every saint was a Christian. Yes I agree, the Bible uses the word saint as interchangeably synonymous with being a Christian, but the Roman Catholic church has the power to change the Bible.
Yes I know that in the apostolic church (1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 1:6; 5:10), every Christian was a priest and the two terms are used interchangeably synonymous with being a Christian, but the Roman Catholic church decided that only leaders should be called priests.
Yes I know that the Bible appears to teach that 1 Timothy 3:2-5 bishops must be married with believing children, but you can't even understand the Bible anyway, why do you ask? Just trust me because only Catholic priests can understand the Bible.
Yes I have read 1 Timothy 4:1-3, and is seems to condemn forbidding the marriage of Catholic priests, but the Pope decided that unmarried men are more holy than married men.
Yes I know that Mark 1:30; 1 Corinthians 9:5 say that Peter had a wife 23 years after Christ died on the cross (53 AD), but Pope Gregory VII decided in 1079 AD from that time onward, that church leaders cannot marry.
Yes I know that sitting through a Latin Mass service can be very boring for many Catholics in the pews. And yes I know that 1 Corinthians 14:19 condemns conducting a church service in a language the average member does not understand, but the Pope decided that Latin sounds real holy and has both historical and mystical qualities.
Yes I know the early church did not begin to celebrate Christmas until the 4th century. And yes I know that Galatians 4:10-11 condemns the keeping of such holy days not found in the Bible, but the church at Rome needed a way to convert the pagan worshippers of Mithra, the god of light,  and it worked!
Yes I know that Acts 20:7 commands Christians to have weekly communion services and that the early church did not celebrate Easter as is done today, but having a yearly communion service was something later church leaders wanted to add to worship.
Yes I know that the Roman Catholic church deleted the 2nd commandment (Exodus 20:4) in order to hid from the masses God's condemnation of bowing down and kissing images of Mary and Peter, but Mary revealed herself to us in a vision.
Yes I know that Jesus was baptized by full immersion in the Jordan River (Matthew 3:16), and that sprinkling was not officially approved until 1311 AD, but it sure is more convenient.
Yes I know that babies have no faith and cannot repent, and are therefor not really valid candidates for baptism (Mark 16:16; Acts 8:36-37; Acts 2:38). But the Pope invented the idea of where the faith and repentance that the infant lacks, is exchanged for the faith and repentance of a "God Parent". Yes I know none of this is in the Bible, but the Pope is the "holy see" and he must know what he is doing!
Yes I know Ezekiel 18:20 proves the doctrine of total hereditary depravity (inherited original sin) contradicts the Bible, but you cannot understand the Bible anyway, only the priest can correctly interpret it.
Yes I know that Matthew 18:2-3 teaches that children are better models of purity and conduct than adults, but the Pope teaches that infants are wicked defiled sinners condemned to hell until a Catholic priest baptizes them and removes the curse of original sin.
Yes I know Ephesians 3:4 plainly seems to say that when you read the Bible by yourself, you can have the same insight that the apostle Paul had into spiritual things, but we Catholic priests cannot teach all our false doctrines that contradict the Bible unless we convince you that you can't understand the Bible unless the priest helps you.
Yes I know that 1 Peter 3:15 teaches every Christian should be able to defend from the Bible what they believe, but isn't that what us Roman Catholic priests are supposed to do? Do you want to put us out of job and rob us of all our power and control?
Yes I know that human traditions that contradict the Bible are condemned in Mark 7:7-9, but all the doctrines that contradict the Bible which the Pope through up were revealed to him directly by Christ and therefore, although they contradict the Bible, they are divinely approved by Christ himself.
You really shouldn't be reading the Bible anyway. And while we are talking about it, what else do you want me to teach you about what the Bible says?


[size=20pt]Is the Roman Catholic church the church you read about in the Bible?[/size]

Christianity is facing a lot of challenges today, including but not limited to greed, dirty and disgusting politicking, theft, fake pastors, fake deacons, fake anointing, fake prophecies, fake Christians,  materialism, diabolic practices, worship of money, destruction of marriages, false visions and revelations, promoting and glorifying hate, segregation, discrimination, corruption, brainwashing of congregations and the general dumbing down of society, all in the name of God  and the only thing you're worried about is infant baptism. Guess that's the reason why Christianity is having no effect in Nigeria today. Stop digressing and redirect your priorities people. We're running out of time.

Have u search the bible to know why all these u mentioned here are taking place? U should know the root of it.

to the bold 

[size=18pt]My broda, welcome to Nairaland![/size]

@Italo, i guess these are the responds u ve been waiting for, all are backup with bible verses, Happy read.

plappville:

Have u search the bible to know why all these u mentioned here are taking place? U should know the root of it.

to the bold 

[size=18pt]My broda, welcome to Nairaland![/size]

Part of the reason it's happening is because Christians are spending good time fighting denominational and doctrinal wars instead of trying ot focus on our faith and winning souls.

Yes Jay5000 true talk but also 1 Tim 4 is very real and true. You can tell the obvious false preachers (some can't) and as iron sharpens iron we also need to sharpen one another s countenance on the not so obvious ones that perhaps have multitudes following them.

The book of Joel 3:14 talks of multitudes in the valley of decision.

plappville:

What else were u expecting? all the points i ve made here even with the biblica back up,yet u kept persisting, even when the truth is wide before your eyes. So baptism makes u catholic not Christ? This is funny.U must know that, it is the (Bible),but not the pope, to be the central means to discern God’s word. All doctrines outside the bible are demonic. even if, the outside seem to be Christian doctrine.

How could u even claim that i write lies  about me been an x-catholic? .
Should i come here and lie against myself? I am a christian, i dont lie even if its a forum, i believe there are many people who come here with good intention to learn to grow in Christ,To what gain should i lie?

You ve gotten my post on this before, if u are not clear enough, u can let it, i am not to repeat verses that u seem to be ignoring thier facts.

The more you talk the more you expose your ignorance. I will say it again and again, whether you like it or not. YOU WERE NEVER A CATHOLIC! Take it from Rome to Jerusalem, from Madrid to Rio, from Cotonou to Berlin; everyone knows that it is through baptism that one becomes a Catholic. You don't become a Catholic by just finding yourself within the walls of a Catholic Church, or saying Catholic Prayers. You don't even become a Catholic by believing in the Catholic Church or Jesus Christ. You must be baptized to be a Catholic. PERIOD!

Let me expose your ignorance even further. You say its Christ and not baptism that makes you a Catholic. So if its Christ that made you a Catholic, why did you leave? Could Christ have allowed you to be in a place where they commit such atrocities as you have wrongly alleged? THINK!

Finally, in one of your earlier posts you told someone that you don't want to be distracted from the topic (infant baptism) when he asked you something about marriage. But you have suddenly turned around to talk about everything: from Mary to repititive prayers to pope etc. Meanwhile I still can't find where you answered my question: who were those baptized in those households and how old were they? Are you too ashamed and deceptful that you don't want to simply say 'I DONT KNOW'?

If you can't admit that small thing, how do I begin to correct your lies, untruths, half-truths and misconceptions on these other topics. Which do we begin to handle first now. Why are anti-Catholics fond of bringing up lies and then just when the lies are about to be dispelled by a Catholic, they raise 10more lies without concluding or admitting the first lie, just to ensure that the truth doesn't come to light.

And you say Catholics don't like defending their faith. Well how do you defend a lion in a cage? You just open the cage; it will defend itself.

But even then, what about this Catholic that likes to defend his faith.

Can you face him, one topic after the other?

@ plappville, God bless you for your effort. You did your homework very well and i sincerely commend you for that.
Some people are of the opinion that we (Christians) should leave these accusations and attacks on ourselves and focus on more important things that would benefit the body of Christ and guarantee our eternity but i must point out that the truth has to be told at the same time. False doctrine is one of the major problems of the Church today and it needs to be addressed. The fact is there's no perfect church, every church has one thing or the other that needs to be corrected or modified through the word of God 2Tim 3:16-17. Christianity should not be practised through indoctrination or force. That your doctrine says something doesn't mean it's right and you have no choice than to adhere. Any doctrine aside from the Doctine of the Word of God should be abolished if we must truly make Heaven. My church also has some doctrines i am seriously against because they have no scriptural bases and every member close to me knows i will never practise such doctrines just because i'm a member of the church or i am forced to believe that. At the same time, i don't have to leave the church because there is no "perfect" church. All we need to do as Christians is to PERSONALLY study God's word and not just read and ask for Holy Spirit's interpretation.
I appeal to my Catholic brethren, (in fact my wife was a Catholic until we got married) i have nothing against them because we are one, but in the name of God don't be obstinate about the Truth of the word of God. Regardless of what you've been taught or told, go into the word of God and confirm such. Do away with what has no scriptural foundation.
Lastly, in my opinion, and from my knowledge of the word of God (i'm still learning though) sprinkling of water instead of immersion in water is NOT baptism. May God help our understanding of His words.

They argue, we are to follow the bible word for word and anything u do that is not in the bible in black and white is wrong, ok i say

1. please can someone show where it is int he bible that WE SHOULD NOT BAPTISE INFANTS.
2. in the bible when Jesus performed miracles, it is always written that men were there, e.g he fed 5000 men and recovered 12 baskets of left overs (no mention of women and children), does it mean there were none there or better put women and children shouldnot be around in such cases?
3. The people that dat believed and where baptized with thier household, please can someone categorically say what the household is made up of.
4. Jesus was baptised by immersion in the river and clothed in so if i follow your theories, everyone should be baptized dressed in same kind of attire too,
5. Jesus was alive but not baptised from birth till he was 30yrs of age, therefore, ANYBODY that is not baptised AT 30. is doing the wrong it, or [font=Lucida Sans Unicode]did the bible give the age grade the baptism should occur?[/font]


Why are we ever so sterotyped into condenming and finding fault[size=12pt][/size]in others instead of LOVING, CARING and WELCOMING others, irrespective of their belief. maybe - just maybe, your love could change them, for all the bible quoters - learn from the bible Jesus did not condemn the woman caught in adultery, rather challenged anyone without sin to be d 1st to cast the stone, that singular act, neither condenmed nor encouraged the adulterous act rather gave the woman an oppurtunity to change.

The catholic church has its faults and down sides - just like everyother church in the world today,
but i tell you,

if you spend your life looking for a way to condemn what they are doing instead of practicing what this same bibles you quote teach you - which is (in summary)

1. Love for GOD
2. Love for your Neighbour

You will be shocked that these so called catholics (or whatever religion it is) that you condemn may get to the desired destination before you.

Dont be too busy telling people the walking style to the bus that you miss the bus. you can limp, run, crawl, swag whatever, just get into the bus before it lives, ,

@09999:GOD bless you. i have further questions for them: Jesus was baptised in river jordan,must we all be baptised in river jordan to have a valid baptism, afterall thats where John the baptist himself did it in the bible? 2. who baptised John the baptist himself, or is he in hell now since he was not baptised because there is no biblical record of it? how many people did Jesus baptised out of the multitude that belived him? were his own disciples baptised? since the people of the bible were baptised in natural bodies of water it then means that any immassion in baptismal pool or swimming pool is not valid abi? you see people of God, God did not make us like robbots, He made us rational beings who could think and follow Him with their minds working. A lot of things were implied in the scripture that we need to apply our God given common sense to understand and adopt. God does not want us to follow in with our heart closed but instead He delights to see how we apply our hearts to attaining the knowledge of Him. let me pause here a little to see who will dare to answer my questions.

Jay5000:

Part of the reason it's happening is because Christians are spending good time fighting denominational and doctrinal wars instead of trying ot focus on our faith and winning souls.

The good time was to study the bible and discover that it is right to reject false doctrine.
We should only practice according to the guidance of the bible.

(1 Corinthians 5:13) God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, "You must remove the evil person from among you."

The catholic is surposed to be the boby of Christ.

You must remove=expose or expel.
the evil person= A member in the body of Christ, inventing false doctrim, diverting the scripture.
remove the false doctrine by rejecting to practice it.
from among you.= We christians, the Church.

REMOVING, EXPOSING is winning the lost souls back to Gods kingdom if u don't know.