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Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by Solidex(m): 12:17pm On Jul 08
Baba Carry on.
On your Mandate we sink.
Lol..
By the time this man is done with us eh, people weh go remain no go reach 100.
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by XtraFortunes: 12:22pm On Jul 08
Curious345:
Lol

Tinubu remains a one term president.. on my dad's grave , I swear that only the hardheaded Yoruba tribalist will vote for him in 2027..

He will not see 2m votes total

The judiciary will do abracadabra for him cry
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by DrDeuce: 12:24pm On Jul 08
Sinking or have already sunk?
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by phorget(m): 12:27pm On Jul 08
Kikikikikikiki!
I laff in opututum language.
Let us continue our suffering so that we wont offend anybody cos one's you speak out the RONU peoppe will come after you.
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by Samesame247: 12:28pm On Jul 08
Wahala for who no gree start create content for facebook and tiktok
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by Christlike01: 12:30pm On Jul 08
Truth be told, Tinubu is a huge disappointment! Nothing is working under him. Just this morning, average-sized tubers of yam were selling for N27k in a popular market here in Lagos.

He is only lucky that Nigerians are docile, very gullible people!

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Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by CorrectionFLuid: 12:44pm On Jul 08
Curious345:
Lol

Tinubu remains a one term president.. on my dad's grave , I swear that only the hardheaded Yoruba tribalist will vote for him in 2027..

He will not see 2m votes total

Tinubus second tenure is a done deal. No he's not relying on your votes.
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by goody234: 12:47pm On Jul 08
Ironbull:


You are not only ode you re a fool, ozuor, ndiala, slowpoke and nitwit put together.

See your life you still never answered the question an even bigger Ode grin
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by ArcSEMPECJ(m): 12:50pm On Jul 08
I know how I feel when am in debts ......no sleep

I know how a transparent upright genuine civil servant feels when in debts.....

But you see drug cartels??......nothing moves them an inch...

The worst is that they multiple in their wickedness when they are found in the corridors of Power.....


So Nigerians should brace up for more troubles because none had been solved
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by nedekid: 1:01pm On Jul 08
It is expected. Lagos with all it's wealth was still placed in a debt pool.
You then give a whole country to a chronic onigbese to run, what do you expect? People building coastal road at a time the country has low income and rising debt. Do you in you personal life, when in heavy debt with sokoloan, paylater etc, then go and borrow another money from opay to use to go and buy television, washing machine etc? Or do manage yourself, pay your igbese, then save money and use it to buy the TV and washing machine?
Naija leaders are the first set of people.
OBI in anambra did the as the second, cut cost, cleared igbese, then kept money which the successor blew in a non sustainable way.
Ofcourse dummies that do not understand fundamentals will tell you he did not build road, schools, airport, bridge.
Oya shebi they are happy we are building coastal road while sinking deeper and deeper into debt. The more the debt, the more the naira looses value.
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by jaxxy(m): 1:01pm On Jul 08
I have to say tinubu isn't as smart as people thought or he's too old like buhari to rule.

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Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by Blazetrailer: 1:25pm On Jul 08
Nigerians are not serious. They love suffering. Otherwise, those 2 stupid policies (especially the thoughtless devaluation of the naira) should have been enough to push people to the streets to protest

The truth is, Tinubu and his team really miscalculated on those 2 policies. They were not well thought out. Its extremely dumb to allow devaluation without carrying out necessary structural changes in the economy that is import/forex dependent. For instance, up till now, there are organisations in Nigeria that still insist in on being paid in USD and nothing happens, despite all the Government noise.

Even Tinubu and his cohorts collect forex as rents/lease rentals on their numerous high rise buildings in Ikoyi there.

Nigeria is doomed. Get out now!!

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Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by Ironbull: 1:26pm On Jul 08
goody234:


See your life you still never answered the question an even bigger Ode grin

How can a public nonentity like you be asking me question? bu onye?

Pls just getat here.
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by Atuero(m): 1:37pm On Jul 08
I only pity his supporters who he has been peppering their heart

Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by omohayek: 2:08pm On Jul 08
As usual, all the same old trolls and dimwits rush to post their inane personal attacks on Tinubu and tribalistic nonsense about "ronus", but the whole lot can't demonstrate they share a single working braincell between them. None of them can say how exactly Saint Peter Obi (aka the Messiah from Anambra) would have done any better to handle the situation, so sure are they that Obi must be better simply by virtue of being their "kinsman".

Here's a challenge for all you empty barrels with your endless insults: share with us how any leader is supposed to square the circle of rising worldwide interest rates, low oil revenues and low taxation with huge expenses on petrol and electricity subsidies. Does Peter Obi have a magical money tree in his backyard (or in his Virgin Island offshore accounts)? Can he repeat the miracle of loaves and fishes, and use the same oil money to pay for expensive domestic subsidies and interest on foreign loans? I bet most of you low-IQ buffoons don't even know how compound interest works, let alone what the current yield on US treasuries is (or why that might be important).

Nairaland really needs to do something about the hordes of idi.ots who clamber to spew the same old ignorant, tribalistic claptrap on every single topic. All it does is drive away those might actually have something intelligent to contribute.

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Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by ElSudani: 2:21pm On Jul 08
maxiuc:
grin

Yesterday I went to market I bought my fresh tomatoes

Thank God for provision

Making me afford things that seems to be luxuries to some people I now afford it with ease

God will keep blessing me they should keep teaching obi a lesson

The lessons they are teaching Obi and obedients are favouring me .

Obi will still not be president even if grass is the only thing left for you to eat.
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by Shikini: 2:28pm On Jul 08
Terrible
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Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by VTJN(m): 3:09pm On Jul 08
Chikel20000:
the last one was rigged...what did u do about it?
was there hardship before rigging it?
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by goody234: 3:31pm On Jul 08
omohayek:
As usual, all the same old trolls and dimwits rush to post their inane personal attacks on Tinubu and tribalistic nonsense about "ronus", but the whole lot can't demonstrate they share a single working braincell between them. None of them can say how exactly Saint Peter Obi (aka the Messiah from Anambra) would have done any better to handle the situation, so sure are they that Obi must be better simply by virtue of being their "kinsman".

Here's a challenge for all you empty barrels with your endless insults: share with us how any leader is supposed to square the circle of rising worldwide interest rates, low oil revenues and low taxation with huge expenses on petrol and electricity subsidies. Does Peter Obi have a magical money tree in his backyard (or in his Virgin Island offshore accounts)? Can he repeat the miracle of loaves and fishes, and use the same oil money to pay for expensive domestic subsidies and interest on foreign loans? I bet most of you low-IQ buffoons don't even know how compound interest works, let alone what the current yield on US treasuries is (or why that might be important).

Nairaland really needs to do something about the hordes of idi.ots who clamber to spew the same old ignorant, tribalistic claptrap on every single topic. All it does is drive away those might actually have something intelligent to contribute.

You can go hungry if you want to ...I don't, you can blame everybody that you want the facts are there for all to see ...Nigeria is a basket case right now , so put that in your pipe and smoke it !!
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by IbeOkehie: 5:05pm On Jul 08
Standing5:
hmmm.
Even at personal level, debt is suppose to be invested properly and not used to set up a list for retail of groceries you can consume freely and blame on lack of patronage. That what the useless govt is doing. They take loans, eat it through inflation of contracts on needless projects, and when the projects cant repay the loans, they blame lack of patronage for it like the above grocery store owner I used as example.

No feasibility studies to see how this loan can repay itself through projects it is being used for.

The real solution to this problem is to remove government from dabbling in any commercial activity, owning any resources and setting prices. Nothing owned by government works well in the long run.

Good Luck to Nigeria.
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by sulaak(m): 5:18pm On Jul 08
A broke country should not build new coastal roads when the existing road network needs repair. Tinubu corruption is shocking, but the majority of the problem, including the Ways and means, are from the Buhari government
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by maxiuc(m): 5:19pm On Jul 08
ElSudani:


Obi will still not be president even if grass is the only thing left for you to eat.
if the only thing left for me to eat is grass, then you will be feeding from my poop
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by Standing5(m): 5:49pm On Jul 08
IbeOkehie:


The real solution to this problem is to remove government from dabbling in any commercial activity, owning any resources and setting prices. Nothing owned by government works well in the long run.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

how is the British empire doing theirs?
How are other nations doing it?

Govt must must be business minded. Saying govt shouldnt dabble into any business is tantamount to avoiding the issue of corruption that can catch up with any private business. This was how we removed the subsidies and are still borrowing plus wasting funds.
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by Standing5(m): 5:51pm On Jul 08
sulaak:
A broke country should not build new coastal roads when the existing road network needs repair. Tinubu corruption is shocking, but the majority of the problem, including the Ways and means, are from the Buhari government
Tinubu's ways and means volume is quite significant too. He printed slot thinking that's enough to manoeuvre his way out of the situation. Dude never really understand how currency loses value.
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by sulaak(m): 6:14pm On Jul 08
Standing5:
Tinubu's ways and means volume is quite significant too. He printed slot thinking that's enough to manoeuvre his way out of the situation. Dude never really understand how currency loses value.

Tinubu is completely out of his depth. Corruption and incompetence is fast driving Nigeria into another Somalia
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by Exceed15: 8:55pm On Jul 08
I m happy Tinubu forcefully became president. His mumu supporters can now see the consequences.
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by IbeOkehie: 9:04pm On Jul 08
Standing5:
how is the British empire doing theirs?
How are other nations doing it?

Govt must must be business minded. Saying govt shouldnt dabble into any business is tantamount to avoiding the issue of corruption that can catch up with any private business. This was how we removed the subsidies and are still borrowing plus wasting funds.

Sir, the bolded above is just frustrating to read. Why? Because government is the CAUSE of corruption in business. This is EASY to prove.

Please read this following sentence CAREFULLY and think about it.....Engaging in corruption through government businesses is so easy that the COST of fighting it is much LOWER than the cost of simply handing everything over to the private sector.

There's lots of factors involved and I've gone into that in my earlier commentary on this subject. My record is open.

Some general notes - no situation is absolutely good or bad...even Nigeria or Somalia right now can't be termed ABSOLUTELY completely bad... every situation can have a TREND, a certain framework can be bad in the long term but workable in the short term. Basically, we must bring common sense to our discussions.

The British have completely FREE healthcare, but a high percentage of PEOPLE pay very HIGH TAXES into government for the benefit. How many Nigerians pay income taxes into government coffers? And if they did what amount would they pay to get the kind of quality given to the British people?

Next, do a comparison of QUALITY & EFFICIENCY between the UK and USA healthcare or more appropriately, Canadian and USA healthcare. You will find EVIDENCE that proves GOVERNMENT owned systems are LESS EFFICIENT than PRIVATELY owned system.

Note, I didn't say Canadian and British healthcare is terrible, I'm saying its WORSE than USA's private system. Not only that, the USA system directly subsidizes the health systems of Western Europe and Canada and the rest of the developed world. That's all we need to know.

Anyway, my comment record is open. Nigeria has had a government dominated economy for over 100 years and today's condition is the result. Enjoy!!!

Good Luck to Nigerians.

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Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by Chikel20000(m): 9:39pm On Jul 08
VTJN:
was there hardship before rigging it?
yes there was
Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by IbeOkehie: 1:59am On Jul 09
Standing5:
how is the British empire doing theirs?
How are other nations doing it?

Govt must must be business minded. Saying govt shouldnt dabble into any business is tantamount to avoiding the issue of corruption that can catch up with any private business. This was how we removed the subsidies and are still borrowing plus wasting funds.

IbeOkehie:


grin grin grin

Greed and selfishness are common human failings that can only be acted on when there's OPPORTUNITY to do so.

The major cause of corruption in Nigeria is

government ownership of economic resources & commercial companies,
government payment of subsidies and
government regulation of prices.

That's it. Once all that government involvement is abolished, there will be very little opportunity for anyone to act upon their natural tendency to be greedy, wicked and selfish. I've never heard of anyone consenting for sex as a condition to admission to Covenant or Igbinideon Universities, but it's rampant at Unilag.

Evidence in Nigeria - telecoms, cement and broadcasting companies. Very little complaints of corruption in those industries because government has very little involvement in their operations.

Simple stuff, but somehow very hard for Nigerians to comprehend.


IbeOkehie:


There's no country in the world with zero corruption. Certain public functions can only be done by government to avoid self dealing and promote fairness. There should be severe restrictions on the expansion of government beyond those functions.

Also note that with privatization and deregulation, the vast majority of government agencies can be abolished. For example, there's no need for a Ministry of Sports or government controlled Nigeria Football Federation.

The advancement of technology can convert certain public functions into private activity. Example block chain currencies like bitcoin can replace the naira and thus the Central Bank. Further back in time improved technology made telecom monopolies obsolete, same as solar electricity will reduce the need for a central grid system.

Abolishing government subsidies, control of resources, ownership of commercial institutions and regulation of prices - and the agencies that administer them - will drastically reduce corruption and also cut down the cost of government.

Evidence abounds. Unilag vs Covenant University or NITEL/MTEL vs private telecoms companies. Cement Armada subsidy corruption vs privatized cement companies.

When privatization & deregulation is implemented, it will result is strong economic growth and increased government revenue. There will be enough for government officials to steal without heavy impact on the lives of citizens. This is the case in every developed country including USA, China, Singapore and Japan.

When such stealing does occur, it's up to the citizens to hold politicians accountable at the ballot box.

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Re: Nigeria Sinking Into Another Debt Trap - Punch Editorial by IbeOkehie: 2:07am On Jul 09
Standing5:
how is the British empire doing theirs?
How are other nations doing it?

Govt must must be business minded. Saying govt shouldnt dabble into any business is tantamount to avoiding the issue of corruption that can catch up with any private business. This was how we removed the subsidies and are still borrowing plus wasting funds.

blueAgent:


Who told you there is no corruption in the private sector?

IbeOkehie:


smiley

Of course corruption exists in the private sector. It's different from government related corruption because

(1) The business will suffer the consequences, not the public.

(2) Customers most times have a say in patronizing the business.

(3) Competing businesses provide alternatives.

Ever heard of admission officers demanding sex as a bribe at private universities? It happens at federal and state universities, video abounds on the internet.

Private banks that give out corrupt or foolish loans will suffer the consequences and fail. Diamond Bank is a good example. A major shareholder installed his son as CEO. That's a form of corruption called nepotism.

Unfortunately the son wasn't very good at the job. His family lost a lot of money when the bank collapsed.

If Diamond Bank was owned by government the losses would have been borne by the public. There would also have been a lot of controversy about the sale to Access Bank.

MTN in the early days of telecoms was corruptly overcharging customers based on per minute billing. People complained. Globalcomm then provided an alternative per second billing and the rest is history.

I've recounted evidence from the past. Now prediction. The new Renting Laws in Lagos state are a form of price regulation. Enforcing them will result in higher prices and corruption. We will all read and hear the stories in the coming years.

Corruption exists everywhere. The real quest is how to reduce it. The evidence is that such reduction can be accomplished by implementing widespread privatization of resources and commercial institutions and deregulation of prices.

These are simple, easily deduced facts. I don't understand why Nigerians are so in love with socialism despite available evidence that we all have lived through in the past 20 years or so. Well actually I do know why, but let's not get into that.

Thanks anyway, have a good day.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

IbeOkehie:


I doubt you or anyone you know use NIPOST... very few Nigerians use NIPOST.

When I lived in Nigeria NIPOST was dormant, we used Luxury Bus operators to deliver letters and packages and also one company called Red Star or something like that. It was owned by DHL, I know because I checked.

Sending letters from abroad through NIPOST guarantees it will be lost or opened and searched and contents stolen. Up till this very day NIPOST only generates financial losses for the Federal Government ...just like every other government owned company or institution. I'm sure anyone trying to get employed or work a supply contract at NIPOST must pay a bribe or know somebody.

Not only in Nigeria sha... in the USA the government owned US Post Office generates BILLIONS of dollars in losses annually while private postal companies like FedEx make BILLIONS in profits

https://www.reuters.com/business/us-postal-service-reports-65-billion-net-loss-2023-fiscal-year-2023-11-14/

grin shocked grin

No, NCC doesn't dictate prices. The operators only have to NOTIFY the NCC of price changes, guided by fairness and in line with competition, something like that.

The NCC can never force Airtel or MTN to charge a specific price. Never. That's why Nigeria has a functioning telecom system.

NCC tried to stop DSTV from increasing their prices. How did that work out? NCC doesn't regulate prices. That may change because Nigerians looove socialism but for right now NCC supervised markets have deregulated prices. Thank goodness for that. Again it's a major reason the telecoms system works for so many people.

Regulated pricing destroys all industries wherever and whenever implemented. Regulated pricing is a major factor that has destroyed the electricity industry, in addition to total government control through TCN.

NOTHING OWNED BY GOVERNMENT WORKS properly in any country. Government owned companies are ALWAYS inefficient and corrupt, unproductive and financially wasteful...in EVERY SECTOR or INDUSTRY.

This is basic knowledge every Nigerian must take to heart if we want to make the country better. Government is almost always the problem, not the solution.

Good Luck to Nigeria

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