Posted on: Today at 05:03:36 PM Posted by: Hutchie
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Hi All,

I am new to this forum and have been following this thread somewhat with intrigue. Firstly according to the original question in the title, the Catholic church DID NOT author the Bible. It may have authored some things that they have cannonised but not the Holy Bible. The Dead Sea scrolls for example confirms some of the original text in the Bible and this existed long before the Catholic Church was conceived of. If you should read the Preface to the original KJV version of the Bible you will see a note from the translators which pointed to the fact that the Pope at the time opposed the work of translating the Bible so it could be available to the common people. Back then the Bible was either in its original languages or in Latin that only Popes, priest, cardinals etc could read.

In my view the Catholic Church is anti-christian and the office of the pope is anti-christ. If you read the Catechisms of the catholic church you will see that most if not all of them directly contridicts the position of Holy Writ. If anyone don't believe study them for yourselves and see. The catholic church claims apostolic succession to Peter but Peter was never a pope of Rome - Peter did not have a chair neither was he given pre-eminence over his fellow disciples and the church. There is no evidence in scripture that Peter even visited Rome so this one claim for me was built on a lie - the central lie that the catolic church is built on. Nothing of the papacy and the Vatican resembles the church of Jesus Christ. In fact most of the practices of the catholic church is steeped in paganism. The monstrance for example is a reference to sun worship although cloaked with christianity to be used in the Eucharist. The Eucharist is also a form of ritual magic which is what transubstantiation represents. The Mary that they venerate is not really Mary the real Mother of God but the pagan representation of Isis with her baby Horus - this idea of the queen of Heavne is ancient - she is mentioned in Jeremiah and this is who the backsliding Jews were worshipping in Jermiah's day (see Jeremiah 7:18, 44:17, 44:18, 44:19, 44:25). The problem is that lay catholics do not know the truth about the their church so anything said against it will be met with kneejerk reactions rather than empircal evidence. More to come.

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‎​A̶̲̥̅̊b̶̲̥̅̊e̶̲̥̅̊g̶̲̥̅̊  everybody alive is a sinner, its only d Grace of God dat we r trustin in to make it to heaven whether born again or born before. All have sinned o. Bible said call no one father or teacher. ‎​​º°˚˚°ºĶ go n call your dad or teacher man, anythin Ɣ☺Ʊ see Ɣ☺Ʊ take it like dat. Bible even said call no one good cuz only God is good. So r there not pple Ɣ☺Ʊ call good? Be wise all n be like d other man in d bible who stayed at d entrance of d temple beatin his chest sayin I'm a sinner, forgive me Lord AND NOT d one who extolled all his perceived virtues before God. Peace!

plappville:

I said i cant say they sinned because i ve not seen these verses that told it. Like i said befor, we learn each day from each other, i will be the last to qoute something not found in the bible, thats why i prefare not to conclude about if they sinned or not. When i said Jesus didnt rebuke them, i meant it. His death was said to happen, if Jesus shoukd ve rebuked them, he will not use the word, u will bethrey me, or u will deny me. He knew what the futere would become and yet he allowed it, it shows
his death is the fullfillment. Jesus could them for example: Judas, u must not betrey me, he has all the power to rebuke his
death but he didnt.

To the bold #1) If u do not know if the bible conderms eating egg and someone telling u so without proving the verse, wont u
deny it until u are clear? Now tgat u ve come out for the  first with a biblical verse that really point to something, why wont i accept it from u. I will take note of those verse anyway.

Bold #2) Why do u ve the habit of miss reading people and stamp them with wrong stamps? U ll read me back soon, i cant write forther, its hard with phone.

plappville:

Honour thy "father" and "mother" in the lord: call no man father does not refares to your earthly father. Ephisians 6:4 or so, correct me if am wrong. But can u just admit u sin when u did not? We know when we sin. It didnt mean one is claiming perfection, after all, none is perfect except God. Nice one though!

kelz88:

Scary "christians" on this thread, [b]claiming to be without sin. You really don't know how you come across. Trying to discredit the Catholic church by all means. [/b]It's very laughable.

OP; it will be interesting to know what church you attend, if any.
(Same chick on the infant baptism thread. How shocking (!) )

What's the big deal about bishops not marrying? Can't the church make their own rules/bend existing rules? If they feel bishops having families will be a distraction, then so be it. Personally, I imagine it will be. Imagine a married monk for example. How will he be able to pray, etc and still have time to raise a family? It's common sense. And if you can't see this, or refuse to see it-cos of your silly beef with the Catholic church then you are on your own.

Feel free to come to whatever conclusion you want to cos you clearly did not make this topic to discuss/learn/share anything, but rather to prove even further that you a big hyprocrite with nothing better to do with your time than to start topics on issues that are not issues at all. Please pick contradicting stuff out the bible and discuss. Discuss real issues.

Funny how Catholics barely bother themselves about you people. We have more important issues to focus on, thank you.

Anyways, 2mch has summarised my thoughts on this. Doubt there's anything left to say.

Not worth discussing any further.

italo:

1 John 1:8-10: "if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us"

Jesus, in the story of Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16, has the rich man referring to Abraham as "father" several times. Paul, in Romans chapter 4, refers to Abraham as the "father" of the uncircumcised, the Gentiles. That's referring to spiritual fatherhood, not biological fatherhood.

In Acts 7:1-2, Stephen, referred to the Jewish authorities and elders who were about to stone him as brothers and "fathers," as does Paul in Acts, chapter 22. This is referring to spiritual fatherhood. So, if you interpret Matthew 23 as saying we cannot call anyone our spiritual father, then you have a problem with Jesus, Paul, Stephen, and the Holy Spirit, they must have all gotten it wrong.

italo:


I think you should pick a dictionary and look-up the meanings of 'INIQUITY' and 'REBUKE', then read the verses again. After doing these, come back and tell me whether Judas and Peter sinned or not, and whether Jesus rebuked them or not.

If you don't know whether the bible condemns eating eggs and someone's telling you so without having proved it yet, you shouldn't deny it; you should simply say 'I DONT KNOW'. Why are you ashamed to admit weakness? Why should you be denying when you don't know?

People who don't know LISTEN and LEARN; they don't teach.

italo:

You have used the old testament [/b]to show why people can clap hands in church now, even though that was not 'church'. If it were me that brought a verse like that, you'll say 'where did they write church there?'

But since u'v brought us to the old testament, let's stay there for a while. [b]In Jeremiah 16:1,2, God tells Jeremiah not to marry or have kids. Are you okay now?

You are saying you don't know about church marriage, that anyone can do what they like about that; because its not only Catholics that believe in or partake in that. You also believe/partake in it. If it were only Catholics, you'll start shouting "its not biblical!" "Its a sin". Does this not show that your sole agenda is to discredit the Catholic Church?

So what about the other things (out of the 7) I mentioned that are not in the bible. . . Are they sinful? Should we stop them because they were not written in the Bible?

kelz88:

So many things in the same bible have been changed, like killing infants, taking slaves etc, I don't see you having any problem with that.

We have told you why the rule changed re:bishops marrying yet you choose to argue blindly. Enjoy!

coolviv:

Story story. Somethin dat is not real will not last. If God is not with d church, it would not have lasted dis long, as was said in d bible, any who falsely claim to follow Christ will self destruct. Catholics should never be offended wit all these evil n uninformed criticisms for even Jesus Christ was accused of witch craft n gettin His powers from d devil. So nothing do us.

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Islam is getting stronger day by day, church of satan is growing stronger everyday. Does it by anyway show that God is with them? When people claim that catholic is getting stronger on account that God is with it, i quickly refer to them other sects that are even stronger.

Come to think of it, heavenly race is not by multitude, it is an individual race.

Broad and wide is the way that leads to destruction and many, even multitude are found in it. I advise you to choose the narrow way for eternal life and happiness.

italo:

[b]It is you that said the Catholic Church is growing stronger everyday. I don't see where anyone else said that. [/b]As far as I know, the Church is dwindling in numbers in the Europe and North America but growing in Africa, Asia and is still very strong in Latin America. But is this the indication that we need to know that God is with it? No.

The Catholic Church is the Church Jesus founded with Peter as its head and it continues to minister to the world with the teachings of the apostles in word and in tradition. These teachings have come down to us through an unbroken line of apostolic succession from the apostles to the early church fathers to the present day priests.

That is the indication we need. God's one true church, not a 'church' that was founded by a greedy pastor just to make money or an adulterous king just to satisfy his carnal desire.

"The gates of hades will not overcome it", Jesus said 2011yrs ago.

2011 years later, the gates of hades have not overcome it - and never will. That is the indication we need.

Or was Jesus talking about RCCG, or Deeper life, or Cele or any of the other 35000 protestant shops we have in the world today?

NO!

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Re: Why Infant Baptism Should Stop!
« #174 on: November 29, 2011, 03:02 PM »
My dear all I can say is that your argument is baseless. The Catholic church is well rooted, many of your kind has come and gone.  The wind has blown and is still blowing, but the church of God is still growing from strength to strength and why is it still standing because of God's word upon it, "The gate of hell shall not prevail over it" or can't you see it.  If the Church is not from God it would have collapsed long ago like others that have gone.

Please lets channel our strength on the mission God has sent us to do, Go and make disciples of all nation (the soul is more important.

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Re: The Catholic Church And Its Claims As The Bible Author?
« #47 on: December 13, 2011, 04:07 PM »
@Rich4god,

Thanks, and God bless you too. I must say that I've seen some of your posts and they inspired and encouraged me too.

It was the late Archbishop Fulton Sheen that once said "The Catholic Faith is like a caged lion; you don't need to defend it; just open the cage".

To know that Jesus is the truth, he instituted the Church, he promised that the gates of hades will not come up against it, that he would be with it until the end of time, that he promised to send the Holy Spirit to teach the Church ALL things, that the Church - not the Bible - is pillar and foundation of truth (1Tim 3:15), that the Church wrote the new testament, compiled the Bible and gave it to the world. To know all these things should be a real confidence boost for any Catholic. The Church cannot teach error. And as long as you are saying something in-line with the teaching of the Church, you cannot be wrong. You might not know how to explain it, you might not have memorized the verses to support it, but you cannot be wrong. We all just have to know more by studying about our faith a little more each day.

God bless.

kelz88:

Don't know why I'm indulging you by going back and forth on this issue.

Seeing as you know it all you should be able to tell me why we no longer take slaves, kill infants and all that.

There's clearly no room in your heart for change, or bending of rules to serve a better purpose. At the end of the day the bible was written by man. I would be more understandable and read it the way you do if God sent it down from heaven.

I refuse to believe everything I read in the bible, or take everything literally. I refuse to believe God instructed the warriors in the OT to kill and take over land. I refuse to believe God asked Abraham to kill his only son. I refuse to believe God hates man-loving-men. This is not the God I serve. Asking me about right to change the rules is another thing cos n your eyes I am fr from being  a Christian cos I am nothing like you-or even the Catholics that believe the bible word for word, or the pope that ruled against contraception.

But beef with the Catholic church aside, don't you think the idea of priests marrying would disrupt their work in the church? Be honest.

(1 Timothy4:1-3) 1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

Does this not direct to the prohibition of Bishops/priest from getting married?

Why because it is a Pope Gregory VII that initiated this practice. Not God. other verse to this:

(Galathians 1:But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

A verse that refares to Pope Gregory VII. Why not allow individual to decide to or not to marry.

italo:

@Hutchie,

One after the other, where do you wanna start? What is your No 1 grouse with the Catholic Church?

@plappville,

I'm done with you. Talking to you is a waste of time. How can I be arguing with someone who thinks 'INIQUITY' is not 'SIN'? Your problem is not the Catholic Church or the Bible. Your problem is right inside your brain. It is blocked and seems incapable of understanding anything. Instead of wasting time reading when you can't understand, spend more time praying for your brain to be opened. As kelz said, enjoy!

In case you think I made a mistake, let me make myself clearer: THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CANNOT TEACH ERROR IN ANY ISSUE OF FAITH AND MORALS!!! It is Italo that said so.

italo:

Thank you. You expect me to be wasting my time with you when you can't even understand that INIQUITY = SIN. I have told you where the problem lies. The earlier you start praying for its solution, the better for you. Just stop trying to learn anything for the main time. You won't understand, from the look of things.

Let me discuss with this Hutching guy, he seems to be capable of understanding issues - I think.