Quest7777:
Lets get this clear:

-Prophet Fufeyin manufactures soap,
-sends the soap to NAFDAC for certification,
-NAFDAC certifies the soap based on the listed ingredients, that it is OK for use by Nigerians,
-Fufeyin prays over the soap and presumably impacts healing powers into the soap,
-Fufeyin puts up the soap for sale,
-Nigerians who believe Fufeyin has impacted healing powers into the soap buy the soap.

-VDM calls out Fufeyin as a Scammer
-Fufeyin sues him to court for spoiling business for him, restraining him from further speaking against the miracle soap.

My opinion:
*Nafdac only certified the soap as ordinary soap not as miracle soap so Nafdac has nothing to answer

*Court can not convict Fufeyin as a Scammer. I have never seen any pastor jailed on account of failed religious belief or prophecy.
Also it will mean all these pastors who sell Olive Oil as Anointing Oil would have been convicted.

*VDM should be careful. He stands the risk of being convicted for Defamation, cyberbullying or some other criminal charges.

*I'm not in any way justifying Fufeyin. I'm only looking at the legal perspective.

D fake pastor can only be right if d soap is simply tagged ' bathing soap'. Not 'Healing soap'
Bathing water not healing water.

Else he needs to prove d healing power in court. Then nafdac too are useless

headofschool:
Your brain has been tampered with Nigerian oppression

Zionmdde:

Mtt 19:27

Quest7777:


The soap is an ordinary soap and that's what Nafdac certified it as.
NAFDAC never certified it to produce miracles.
Proving the ingredients in court can only establish that it is an ordinary soap. Nothing more.

If the court talks about miracle, Fufeyin will simply say God is the one that performs miracles via your faith.

Nigerians who buy the soap are those who freely chose to believe in Fufeyin's spiritual powers and in Miracles. So how do you establish a crime against him?

On the other hand. VDM risks conviction for defamation etc.
Note, I didn't say he's guilty, I said he risks.

Not in anyway supporting Fufeyin, but that's the way it is. Legality is quite different from morality.

erico2k2:

ahaha so how did they feed their families? or you thought they never had wives and kids?
you lot are deranged.

Zionmdde:

Are we going to make assumptions or believe what is written in the bible the way it was written

erico2k2:

No cos the bible you read now has cut loads from the initial stories like knowing stuff like Jesus had brothers and sisters?You would not know that cos you have not read the Jewish book etc or the qoran,I live in N8 a predominantly Jewish area of North London so I am opportune to know these.

Zeebuy:


You're very very smart, and their plans seem to be working well

Zionmdde:

The man gas already said he has nafdac number. And trust me nafdac will not test miracle water for miracle ls rather for purity l. So if nafdac certifies that water you can be eriscoed for calling it fake

Zionmdde:

Lol
That's where you get it wrong
All of them find a section of the Bible for what they do. Whether it is right or wrong.

Did the Bible describe the exact oil Saul and David were anointed with? Who said it was olive oil? How sure are you it wasn't groundnut oil?
The ordinary handkerchief taken from Paul to heal many should also be classified as fraud. Afterall it was an ordinary handkerchief
The rod of Moses, do you know if it was just ordinary wood?
So according to pastors, a ground nut oil that is prayed over by a true prophet is no longer ordinary.
It's now left for the church goers to decide if they are following a true prophet

And in the law of live and let live, it's best to leave them alone

saddler:


Are you being serious right now?

Whatever stories you read in the bible cannot pass a scrutiny test in any law court.

You can't put an argument in a law court based on myths and superstitious narrationd written in the bible.

Zionmdde:
I just hope everybody will learn to mind their business
Nobody is being deceived. His members know exactly what they are doing and even social media will not sway them. A lot of times people tend to stick where they can get hope. Because minus that hope that pastors and prophets give (fake or original) a lot of persons would have been dead by now.

He should be allowed to sell his goods in peace. Let those that buy it decide for themselves if it works or not. Afterall he is not putting gun to anybody head to buy

Keep quoting me. I am very unapologetic on what I said. Those adults in his church choose to be there and consume his products. In the eyes of the law you can't also prove the originality of anything termed "spiritual ". Because you can't also prove that you have fulfilled the terms of engagement

So in simple terms you can't cry more than the bereaved. If people feel happy going there let them continue.

Zionmdde:

So tell me how court will ascertain that the miracle water is fake when the water is pure and approved by NAFDAC?

The person suing for fake miracle water, what will be his basis?

BALLOSKI:
"obtaining by false pretense"

If you claim the miracle water can heal the sick or help the lame to walk, then if it doesn't work, you're liable to legal issues.

BALLOSKI:
Just shut da fvck up!

Black people are so backward in thinking. If you come up with stuff like this in the west, no one would mind his business - you'll go to jail.

Zionmdde:

What is fraud?
1. A lawyer won't call what most of these pastors do as fraud because there are critical elements that must be present before something is called a fraud

2. If you also delve deep into psychology you will know why a person wrongly diagnosed of cancer will start withering away faster than a person who has cancer but was told he doesn't
. Am saying that to say this, if 200 people use that soap, at least 5 people will likely come back with testimonies because of number 2

Until the law classifies the Bible as fraud, what the pastors do cannot be called fraud. Ask any lawyer and get their response. Calling a pastor a fraud can land you in jail

triplechoice:

@ the bolded , you're encouraging others to gamble with their lives. "at least 5 from 100" doesn't prove the efficacy of the so called miracle water.

if your child is down with a severe bout of malaria and typhoid, would you because of what you have argued administer the miracle water or use orthodox medicine that can effectively do the job without any kind of faith ?

Zionmdde:

So tell me how court will ascertain that the miracle water is fake when the water is pure and approved by NAFDAC?

The person suing for fake miracle water, what will be his basis?

saddler:

NAFDAC can only approve the soap as a washing agent not as a spiritual soap.


If the soap has a nafdac number, then the certification of the soap will be that it is safe for washing not that it can cure any sickness.

Zionmdde:

Good we are saying the same thing
That as long as nafdac have certified the water and soap, vdm has no case on whether the water heals anyone or not. Just like you can't sue Joy soap for not bringing you out of depression

Quest7777:
Lets get this clear:

-Prophet Fufeyin manufactures soap,
-sends the soap to NAFDAC for certification,
-NAFDAC certifies the soap based on the listed ingredients, that it is OK for use by Nigerians,
-Fufeyin prays over the soap and presumably impacts healing powers into the soap,
-Fufeyin puts up the soap for sale,
-Nigerians who believe Fufeyin has impacted healing powers into the soap buy the soap.

-VDM calls out Fufeyin as a Scammer
-Fufeyin sues him to court for spoiling business for him, restraining him from further speaking against the miracle soap.

My opinion:
*Nafdac only certified the soap as ordinary soap not as miracle soap so Nafdac has nothing to answer

*Court can not convict Fufeyin as a Scammer. I have never seen any pastor jailed on account of failed religious belief or prophecy.
Also it will mean all these pastors who sell Olive Oil as Anointing Oil would have been convicted.

*VDM should be careful. He stands the risk of being convicted for Defamation, cyberbullying or some other criminal charges.

*I'm not in any way justifying Fufeyin. I'm only looking at the legal perspective.

Zionmdde:

First I don't believe in the miracle water. But that's my personal belief.
Secondly the summary of what I said is that sometimes hope heals. That's why doctors administer hope. So if the miracle water doesn't work as a miracle, it can still give one or two the hope they need to overcome it

It's still foolishness in my personal opinion to use the water for treatment

Zionmdde:

Good we are saying the same thing
That as long as nafdac have certified the water and soap, vdm has no case on whether the water heals anyone or not. Just like you can't sue Joy soap for not bringing you out of depression

erico2k2:

The soap is an ordinary soap manufactured for him by a soap manufacturing company, there is no Nafdac number written on the soap itself, Cos if there is then the content and the amount of these con tents will also be written on it .If the content of the soap is not written and you get called upon then you are facing stiff penalty. People get away with these cos no one calls them out.

PS to show this pastor is a fraud and people like you cannot see this, this is for you also incase you want to sell water and soap once you too receive your own gift

What Jesus Said About Selling Miracle Products, e.g. Water, Soap, Perfume etc.

Matthew 10:8 (KJV)

Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

This is what Jesus said to those He gave power to heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out devils.

Jesus said, "Freely Ye have Received, Freely Give".

Quest7777:


Is the Bible the Constitution of Nigeria?
The issue here is Legality & not Religiousity/Morality.

The ingredients of the so called Miracle Soap is written on the packet and it's same ingredients as your regular soap, and that's what Nafdac certified.

People who buy the soap are those that freely chose to believe that Fufeyin impacted supernatural powers into the soap that transformed it into a Miracle Soap. And such people are exercising their legal right to freedom of religious beliefs.

So where did Fufeyin commit a crime and against who did he commit the crime?

Pls don't bother replying if you can't answer these questions?

Quest7777:


Is the Bible the Constitution of Nigeria?
The issue here is Legality & not Religiousity/Morality.

The ingredients of the so called Miracle Soap is written on the packet and it's same ingredients as your regular soap, and that's what Nafdac certified.

People who buy the soap are those that freely chose to believe that Fufeyin impacted supernatural powers into the soap that transformed it into a Miracle Soap. And such people are exercising their legal right to freedom of religious beliefs.

So where did Fufeyin commit a crime and against who did he commit the crime?

Pls don't bother replying if you can't answer these questions?

triplechoice:


You don't understand how Nafdac operate or what they do.

The certification given to the miracle water by them is to assure the public that the water is safe for consumption (u fit drink ham, e nor go Purge ur belly) and not that it can cure any anything. That's all.

But the pastor,unfortunately, s telling his members that it can cure them . That's the fraud and deception.

triplechoice:


You don't understand how Nafdac operate or what they do.

The certification given to the miracle water by them is to assure the public that the water is safe for consumption (u fit drink ham, e nor go Purge ur belly) and not that it can cure any anything. That's all.

But the pastor,unfortunately, s telling his members that it can cure them . That's the fraud and deception.

Quest7777:


The soap is an ordinary soap and that's what Nafdac certified it as.
NAFDAC never certified it to produce miracles.
Proving the ingredients in court can only establish that it is an ordinary soap. Nothing more.

If the court talks about miracle, Fufeyin will simply say God is the one that performs miracles via your faith.

Nigerians who buy the soap are those who freely chose to believe in Fufeyin's spiritual powers and in Miracles. So how do you establish a crime against him?

On the other hand. VDM risks conviction for defamation etc.
Note, I didn't say he's guilty, I said he risks.

Not in anyway supporting Fufeyin, but that's the way it is. Legality is quite different from morality.

Zionmdde:


This one off me
Some denominations don't believe in the disciples approach to Christianity.

The Bible didn't specifically mention that all the jews owned at least one lamb when they were in Egypt. Neither did it mention that lamb was distributed for free. So there is a probability that the lamb some Israelite used in the passover were sold to them. So they bought the instrument of protection.


Do what you want with that information. Let me not fail to mention, I don't believe in those miracle things, but I don't also see those that believe as fools

Zionmdde:


And am telling you that if the pastor said the water can only work when you mix it with faith You cannot ascertain if faith was there and therefore you cannot ascertain that you have fulfilled the requirements
Or how will you prove that that is fraud

So if a pastor said if you give you will receive a thousand folds and you give and nothing happens, will you will sue him for deception?

Even hospitals are not sued when patients die after assurance of treatment