onumadu:

Firstly I don't think you have read or meditated in the details of the biblical accounts of what ( I didn't say "who" ) God is.
Firstly God is NOT man. He even called his name "I AM THAT I AM

My point (and the often thing that annoys me about people humanizing God) is that man should stop trying to mold God in human natural ways and methods. In the same Bible God himself said that his ways are NOT our ways.[

Why should people continue to drag God down to the vane and fleeting nature?
Sex is a VANE and FLEETING thing that the MOST HIGH strictly views as part of the mortal man's thing.
I personally believe that marriage is a purely human construct. Man designed and enforce it (and there are many types of it in different parts of the world - all of them accepted by God).

When God deals with humans, he does so using values that humans imposed upon themselves.
That is why it was possible for God to speak to and direct the kings of Israel of old as well as the kings of Persia and Babylon.
HE OWNS ALL OF THEM, and directs all of them!

God had to incarnate through a virgin because man worships sex and virginity. But do you know that Jews still don't believe in the virgin birth of Jesus Christ? MAN IS SEX-CRAZED AND OBSESSED WITH THE VAGI-NA. And that annoys elevated souls like myself.
Until man TRANSCENDS that vanity called sex or "focus-on-sex", man will remain like other lower animals.

Have you watched a group of monkeys mating in the wild. Go and watch it, and see that while one male is mating, the other males are busy trying to pull it down (out of the ape-like jealousy you find in humans).

God had to incarnate as Jesus Christ to try to show man that the laws are made for man and not man for the laws.
That is partly why he forgave sins, but the scribes and pharisees wondered how he could forgive sins.
Also part of why he saved the woman caught in adultery (because he knew that all the people there gathered to stone the woman committed far greater sins than her). He was almost stoned by supposed zealots when he challenged them to go and find out the meaning of "I desire mercy and not sacrifice"
And so many other things he did, and when he was done he told his disciples that greater things could they do if only they believed.
But guess what, man is still worshiping useless woman orifice and setting bondage for themselves that tie them to this realm rather than allow them to transcend this earthly realm.

Look, I can write a book on this (and will try to find the time to write that book).

onumadu:

Why should people continue to drag God down to the vane and fleeting nature?
Sex is a VANE and FLEETING thing that the MOST HIGH strictly views as part of the mortal man's thing.
I personally believe that marriage is a purely human construct. Man designed and enforce it (and there are many types of it in different parts of the world - all of them accepted by God).

When God deals with humans, he does so using values that humans imposed upon themselves.
That is why it was possible for God to speak to and direct the kings of Israel of old as well as the kings of Persia and Babylon.
HE OWNS ALL OF THEM, and directs all of them!

God had to incarnate through a virgin because man worships sex and virginity. But do you know that Jews still don't believe in the virgin birth of Jesus Christ? MAN IS SEX-CRAZED AND OBSESSED WITH THE VAGI-NA. And that annoys elevated souls like myself.
Until man TRANSCENDS that vanity called sex or "focus-on-sex", man will remain like other lower animals.

Have you watched a group of monkeys mating in the wild. Go and watch it, and see that while one male is mating, the other males are busy trying to pull it down (out of the ape-like jealousy you find in humans).

God had to incarnate as Jesus Christ to try to show man that the laws are made for man and not man for the laws.
That is partly why he forgave sins, but the scribes and pharisees wondered how he could forgive sins.
Also part of why he saved the woman caught in adultery (because he knew that all the people there gathered to stone the woman committed far greater sins than her). He was almost stoned by supposed zealots when he challenged them to go and find out the meaning of "I desire mercy and not sacrifice"
And so many other things he did, and when he was done he told his disciples that greater things could they do if only they believed.
But guess what, man is still worshiping useless woman orifice and setting bondage for themselves that tie them to this realm rather than allow them to transcend this earthly realm.

Look, I can write a book on this (and will try to find the time to write that book).

God is not a man! Anthropomorphism is false!

Numbers 23:19:
"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

1 Samuel 15:29:
"He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind."

Hosea 11:9:
"I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a human being—the Holy One among you. I will not come against their cities."

Isaiah 40:18
To whom will you liken God? To what image will you compare Him?

Isaiah 44:6-20
Thus says the LORD, the King and Redeemer of Israel, the LORD of Hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God but Me. Who then is like Me? Let him say so! Let him declare his case before Me, since I established an ancient people. Let him foretell the things to come, and what is to take place...

Jesus couldn't foretell the hour in Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Isaiah 55:8-9:
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Psalm 50:21:
"These things you have done, and I have been silent; you thought that I was one like yourself. But now I rebuke you and lay the charge before you."

Job 9:32-33:
"For he is not a man, as I am, that I might answer him, that we should come to trial together. There is no arbiter between us, who might lay his hand on us both."

So God is not man and can never become man!

God does not change:

Psalm 55:19 -
"God will hear and answer them—Even the one who sits enthroned from of old— Selah. With whom there is no change, And who do not fear God."

Malachi 3:6 -
"For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed."

So when did the Lord Change?

AntiChristian:
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StillDtruth:


Since our argument is going like this i think it appropriate that it is given a thread of its own and discussed here.

No where did i say "God is man" rather it is man who is like God.

We must humanize Him to understand Him and most especially to understand His Commands to us which He expects to obey very well.

So how can we obey them well if we do not first appreciate that He is connected to us and feeling what we feel about the subject? Eg our feelings on joy and sorrow; good things and evil things, love and hatred are the same with His in normal humans.

Seeing He responds like us and to us, we therefore are able to.have a sweet relationship with Him.

Think about it should alien come, do you not first look for things that you human can relate with eg head, eyes, hands, talk and language etc?

If a Chinese just suddenly appears in your ship at sea to start issuing commands, would you move to obey? No.

Why? Because there are many things you need to process which includes that he knows what he is saying on the subject which affects you and your crew.

And God's Ways/thoughts "towards us" are still humanly eg God's Way is give, man's way says to don't give

God's Way says be holy and chaste, man's way says fuqc around

onumadu:

First bolded is a problem and that is why most of the world's problem today was/is caused by religion.
People wake up from their sleep and say that God told them to enforce so so and so law.
I watched a video where one Muslim cleric was taking about how they will inherit 72 virgins in heaven, and the whole thing was so sex-crazed.
He said that even if they fall accidentally they would fall on top of a woman!
And I'm like, so the world killings in the name of God is just about pucci, or to inherit virgins?
See the problem?

Anyway, second bolded supports the same "holiness is about sex alone" premise.
Why can't the corollary of holiness be about LOVE (selfless love -AGAGE) than about sex?
See what you did there: "holy and chaste"
Why must you connect/limit holiness to sex alone?

I cited Jesus's life and views on these these, but you are still limited to sex.

onumadu:

BTW,the law was mostly Moses laws. I don't want to go detail because it would take up too much space.
That is why Jesus had to cut it down to two only.

onumadu:

Have you ever wondered why there is more wickedness and killings in a religious Nigeria than say a non/less religious northern Europe?
Anytime I travel between Nigeria and such countries I feel like someone traveling from hell to heaven.
Why can't Nigeria be heaven-like?
I know the answer: Because Nigerians are busy worshiping genital organs in the name of holiness!

StillDtruth:


I understand why you say this, but do you not see that the bold is a brainwashing statement sold by atheists?

For since Adam people have always done the evil and csused all the problems in the world. Is it not a friend who scammed you? Or is it not a brother who eats the monies you sent for him to build you a house?

Religion is nothing it is people who do things whether good or evil; thus it is people who are the problem of the world who after they have done the evil, they start defending it with everything they can use to cover it.

And the bottomline is that they nevet do what God Commanded, in all subjects of life whether sex or relations with fellowmen or work all of which God commanded us to be holy.

So, i do not restrict it to sex alone but becausr the topic was sex, it then became needfull to restate that The Law is we must be chaste and holy.

Correction! It is not Moses's laws, it is The Laws which God gave Moses to give the world

[b]Don't let your desire overide your knowledge of Truth [/b]for you know Jesus did not cut down The Law, He only pointed out the building blocks of The Law starting with its foundation, then the ground laid on top of the foundation. And common sense tells you the rest of The Laws are the floors and rooms in that building called Law!

Simple: do you not see how atheists always try to look gooder than regular folks? So also do the atheistic countries for they know that they that they are very evil, so they would destroy themselves, as you saw, they have fought more wars and wrought more evils than any other continent.

So this is them trying not to show they are even more evil than regular people, which is why you see they live alone. So don't be deceived by their organization and order, they are just created to cover the deep evil they have and to deceove the world with the "appearance" of good!

onumadu:

Dem neva born atheist wey go fit brainwash me. lol
I am not the type that anyone can brainwash because I READ A LOT.
Most of what I say comes from a body of researched knowledge, as well as life experience.
Let's get that out of the way first...

I agree that people created religion and used (still use) it to commit a lot of evil.
Religion is a human construct. Settled. Humans are evil. Even God regretted creating man in Gen 6:5-6.

onumadu:

As for the laws which I said is "mostly Mosaic laws" I stand on that based on what Jesus said about divorce.

Bible said "But Jesus told them, “Moses wrote this commandment for you because of your hardness of heart." (Mark 10:5)

onumadu:

God of course inspired Moses to give those laws, but if the people weren't wicked and hardhearted, God could have given them a different law.
And that is exactly what Jesus did when he rejected free will divorce and limited it to adultery based divorce as well as refused to condemn the woman caught in adultery. After her would-be stoners (those wanting to stone her) had dispersed, Jesus asked her where are your accusers? She looked around and said they were no more, and Jesus told her neither would he Jesus condemn her. But told her to go and sin no more. Was Jesus a sinner for doing this? Remember that "I desire mercy and not sacrifice" saying?

onumadu:

As for the European countries I referenced earlier I am not totally exonerating them, afterall they are part of the same evil human family, BUT they have been able to put into practice most of the teachings of Jesus Christ even without being churchgoers.
They care for the sick and poor. Check!
Their prisons are penitentiaries (where people are taken to go and change their lives for the better), while Nigerian prison are death holes where people go to die. Check!
Most of them have abolished the death penalty, but mere mention of such in Nigeria evokes serious anger among Nigerians. Check!

In fact I use the state of Nigerian prisons to prove the point about how far more wicked/evil our people are in-spite of their "holiness and chastity".
I doubt that the Europeans are interested in deceiving anybody by putting into practice FOR THEMSELVES virtues inspired by Jesus Christ.
They are just living their lives using the template Jesus left behind, and the onus in on you African to bring about heaven instead of working overtime to foist hell on earth all while avoiding sex.

onumadu:

Do you think that if it was Nigerians or Africans that colonized other countries that those colonized countries would ever be independent? EVER?
Think about that honestly.
I rest it here.

Everyday247:
StillDtruth, no vex. I almost thought that the thread's topic was "Is Womanising God wrong?".
Luckily, i checked again and cleared my doubts.

StillDtruth:


Ok

Thank God you observed Moses wrote the commandments.

Now did you not see that Moses was like God's secretary and that God dictated The Laws for him to write down? Exodus 34:27

So, The Law is God's Law and not Moses's.

The topic is sex not divorce!

Suffice me to state that you have it mixed up.
Looking at God's mind, in marriage is there divotce? No

onumadu:

Okay, let me answer you probably for the last time.

I never changed or mixed up the topic from sex to divorce: I only used one example (where Jesus gave a different command from the one Moses gave) to make a point.
I was only trying to prove that Jesus (as God incarnate) did this to prove a point. And that point is that laws are made for man and not man for laws.

My point remains that most of you are focused (or obsessive) on sex while normalizing unimaginable levels of evil in your society.
That is why I cited Europe. In Europe women can walk the streets near naked and people would be going about their normal businesses, while in Nigeria men would go crazy with anger, and sometimes even try to harm the women. They even kill some.

But guess where there is PRACTICAL demonstration of Jesus' level love, care and compassion? It ain't in Nigeria! Figure that.

Guess where even your religious leaders go for vacation and medical treatment? Yep, same "sex-crazed" Europe.

Guess where all the children of your leaders both political and religious ones go to school? Europe with their sex life!

I surmise that Nigerians use their "chastity" as cover for their wickedness and evil proclivities.

They're just like the Scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' days!

I would leave it here because it appears as if I'm not being understood.
Abeg no vex.
Peace.