FUEL SUBSIDY REMOVAL WILL LEAD TO DIVIDE THIS COUNTRY INTO AN ATOM

Godman_n:

These are the lies they have put into our head in order to stop our capacity to force change on them. Tell me an advanced country in the world that was not founded on mass revolt or revolution.

It is only thru REVOLUTION that the foundations for nationhood is built. Our problem in Nigeria is that we have not passed through that, because it is only during revolutions that the terms of nationhood are drawn.

You have heard of the American charter; you know of Britain and Magna Carta. These are the bases, the Charter, the agreement that gave rise to the understanding of their government.

India's Independent was a Revolution. Ghana's was because Kwame Nkrumah had was elected from Prison. Later there was also a Rawlings that helped to put it well into people's head (The terms of their nationhood). No one has ever drawn our own Charter. What we have is an amalgam of power hungry thieves.

Until we pass through that, nothing can work. It was only during Revolution that the ordinary masses will come to appreciate what government is all about. It is only after it that the rulers will come to appreciate also that real power belongs to the people (the masses.)

Revolution is like a foundation upon which nations are built.

I challenge any one to give me a progressive nation on Earth without a Revolution, not necessarily by wasting lives. But an forced transition.

Even the democracy that we all shout today, the human rights etc were founded on people's protest. People died to make me and you live.

We must be ready to die (if need be), to secure a better future for those after us. Or we all will ever remain in the mess. And I don't think God will forgive all of us who refused to act.

Because his first command as recorded in the Bible is that we should cultivate (dominate) the earth. It means that we should use our heads and hands to make the world a better place guys.

Ours is not just to lazy around and selfishly "enjoy" all the fun living on the sweet of past generations. We must also "sow", or certainly head to hell on the last day.

God bless you.

May be, not a diplomatic way to express himself. But that subsidy must go, Wallahi.

I hope he's prepared sha.

OBJ met fuel price @11 naira per litre; and said the same thing that GEJ is saying ; he finally increased it to 65naira per litre by removing some subsidy.

plz can someone do the maths; d diff. = 54 naira.

with crude oil average at $80-90 per barrel in the last 8-12yrs;
at an average production= 2Million barrels per day,


what have the govt. done with such a huge income,

Answer is nothing,

The act of helping the masses that they do talk abt when they want steal billions are still suffering in poverty

so Mr GEJ why do u think that removing the current subsidy that the money will brought back into the Nigerian economy 100%, ?


so b4 removing the subsidy plz; make sure d corruption in ur govt. has been removed, esp; with ur gf "Dizeani Allison Madueke"

she is on the international corruption list again,

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/bribe-for-contract-oil-firms-under-watch/104867/


that woman na crook to d highest order,

buJu-234:

OBJ met fuel price @11 naira per litre; and said the same thing that GEJ is saying ; he finally increased it to 65naira per litre by removing some subsidy.

plz can someone do the maths; d diff. = 54 naira.

with crude oil average at $80-90 per barrel in the last 8-12yrs;
at an average production= 2Million barrels per day,


what have the govt. done with such a huge income,

Answer is nothing,

The act of helping the masses that they do talk abt when they want steal billions are still suffering in  poverty

so Mr GEJ why do u think that removing the current subsidy that the money will brought back into the Nigerian economy 100%, ?


so b4 removing the subsidy plz;  make sure d corruption in your govt. has been removed,  esp; with your gf "Dizeani Allison Madueke"

she is on the international corruption list again,

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/bribe-for-contract-oil-firms-under-watch/104867/


that woman na crook to d highest order,

Not only her. All of them are Criminals, GEJ inclusive. We either get them out or we perish.

the way things are going, this bunch will be out faster than they know it.

texazzpete:

The masses who pay N65 per litre are also beneficiaries of the subsidy.

Oh really?? You are a beneficiary of subsidy?? You dey make me laff. Somebody is paid =N= 22.4 billion every year for marketing his product and you sit here and count yourself as a BENEFICIARY.

This country produces Crude oil. . . .and still imports PMS because stupid things like subsidy exist. You have not been able to justify in your post why Nigeria should continue to pay =N=1,340,000,000,000 to a select few while other people dey suffer dey hussle to make ends meet.

its unjustifiable Economics. That is a Govt Indelibrately (if there is a word like this ) empowering a few Individuals. With that kind of free money, people could destabilize a Govt by Importing Arms or sponsoring Terrorism.

All these Misnomers did not start with GEJ and probably he wont be the one to end all of it. But at least he is trying to end some of it.

If you really want poor people to start benefitting from something. . . Start calling for a Social Security System that can FEED and Cloth people. . . . . At least Govt can have a direct Impact that way. . , . Not all these mumu argument about fuel price. How does this Subsidy affect a poor homeless woman and her children who live under the bridge?

And =N=1,340,000,000,000 don go this year'just like that. Yet dem never fit finish Osha -Enugu Express of just a few billion naira. If you buy the fuel, for which road you go take am drive sef??
. . . . . which road person wan take go Xmas sef?

It seems we have a poorly thinking president at the helms. How can he be so so reckless on matter surrounding security and wellbeing of the people of this country. It started with mend, boko haram, ASUU strike, labbour strike and now subsidy issue. All one can sum is he's helping the igbos and hausa/fulani in their implementation of unpatriotic, divisive, nepotistic, tribalistic/ethnic, corrupt and wicked agenda upon the rest of the people of the nation. You may be right if you are thinking in theat line. Nevertheless,  this are diversionary plans to sway us from the hocus-pocus indepth of this matter. As if this is not enough, it appears our man want to use his slow tactics to pit Nigerians against Nigerians so that their could be blood shed(We are not ready for state policing.). It seems that our man's claim he's sent by God is suspect. Why ? because ever since he came to power in the past two years or so, many lives have been lost, even including the one he took over from(Yaradua). Look at the partern of things and start thinking about cultism and other possible dedications of peoples blood. Note that this man is a blood sucker that's why he is unmoved by the cry people have been making about security issues. Wake up Nigerians and boot out this president in the interest of all inocent blood of the people that are about to be shed to perpetrate him in power.

the igbos will tell u that the death that will kill a dog will not let the dog percieve the smell of shi*ts.
the oyibo man says, PRIDE GOES BEFORE A FALL.
we all watched saddam make all the noise in the world while gaddahfi said nothing dey happen. unfortunately, those two powerful men ran away from their various powerful mansions and took refuge inside gulters.
mr.joeboy must understand that aso rock will not provide shelter.
we are in democracy where the masses carry the day.
ibb listened to nigerians and stepped aside and live. abacha continued in his sturborness and went down. obasanjo was too clever to drop his third term agenda.
jonathan did not tell us that he was coming to steal money via removal of fuel subsidy and nigerians are saying no to the removal of fuel subsidy.
mr. joe, remember, gadahfi and saddam did not go down alone but with their family members.
i think the war joe started in bayelsa is enough for him to fight till his death so start another one at the fderal level will be too big for an ijaw man.

yang:

Oh really?? You are a beneficiary of subsidy?? You dey make me laff. Somebody is paid =N= 22.4 billion  every year for marketing his product and you sit here and count yourself as a BENEFICIARY.

This country produces Crude oil. . . .and still imports PMS because silly things like subsidy exist. You have not been able to justify in your post why Nigeria should continue to pay =N=1,340,000,000,000 to a select few while other people dey suffer dey hussle to make ends meet.

its unjustifiable Economics. That is a Govt Indelibrately (if there is a word like this ) empowering a few Individuals. With that kind of free money, people could destabilize a Govt by Importing Arms or sponsoring Terrorism.

All these Misnomers did not start with GEJ and probably he wont be the one to end all of it. But at least he is trying to end some of it.

If you really want poor people to start benefitting from something. . . Start calling for a Social Security System that can FEED and Cloth people. . . . .  At least Govt can have a direct Impact that way. . ,   .  Not all these mumu argument about fuel price. How does this Subsidy affect a poor homeless woman and her children who live under the bridge?

And =N=1,340,000,000,000 don go this year'just like that. Yet dem never fit finish Osha -Enugu Express of just a few billion naira. If you buy the fuel, for which road you go take am drive sef??
. . . . . which road person wan take go Xmas sef?

You know you are a hungry liar that is doing your master's wish. Where is the money that the country have been making from the crude? He that could not account for millions, will claims it is thousands that stopped him from working.

Do Nigeria as a country spend more money financing the so called subsidy than we make from crude oil sales? What have your stealing masters done with the crude oil money? Nigeria as a country earned more money under Obasanjo's 8 years than we earn from 1960 to 1999. Yet there is nothing to show.

Your master Jonathan increased Nigeria's debt profile from 21billion dollars  to 32 billion Dollars in just one year (from 2010 to 2011). Under Yar'adua it rose from 14billion to 21 billion in 3 years (2007 to 2010).

What did your criminal clueless mater achieve with the money? Can he that could not account for a talent ask for more?

Is your master not enjoying all the prestige in Aso Rock because he was elected to safeguard our security? Is he not the commander of Nigerian Army, Nigeria police, SSS, Nigeria Intelligent  Agency and the rest? Is these not enough to arrest all so called cabals that benefit from the subsidy?

Is it not those same people that benefits from the subsidy that financed your master's election? Did he not offer them our national honours for nothing.

Tell me your friends and I tell you who you are. You master eats and dine with the fuel saboteurs; he can only be one of them. The so called subsidy removal is to further fill their stinking private pockets with our sweat and blood.

We will certainly meet them on the streets soonest.

yang:

Oh really?? You are a beneficiary of subsidy?? You dey make me laff. Somebody is paid =N= 22.4 billion every year for marketing his product and you sit here and count yourself as a BENEFICIARY.

This country produces Crude oil. . . .and still imports PMS because silly things like subsidy exist. You have not been able to justify in your post why Nigeria should continue to pay =N=1,340,000,000,000 to a select few while other people dey suffer dey hussle to make ends meet.

its unjustifiable Economics. That is a Govt Indelibrately (if there is a word like this ) empowering a few Individuals. With that kind of free money, people could destabilize a Govt by Importing Arms or sponsoring Terrorism.

All these Misnomers did not start with GEJ and probably he wont be the one to end all of it. But at least he is trying to end some of it.

If you really want poor people to start benefitting from something. . . Start calling for a Social Security System that can FEED and Cloth people. . . . . At least Govt can have a direct Impact that way. . , . Not all these mumu argument about fuel price. How does this Subsidy affect a poor homeless woman and her children who live under the bridge?

And =N=1,340,000,000,000 don go this year'just like that. Yet dem never fit finish Osha -Enugu Express of just a few billion naira. If you buy the fuel, for which road you go take am drive sef??
. . . . . which road person wan take go Xmas sef?

hm . . , I must say, I am having a hard time understanding why you do not think someone who gets to pay Naira 65 for a product that should cost Naira 140, or thereabouts, is not to be considered a beneficiary of the current scheme. So I am simply to go ask that you tell us what the word BENEFICIARY means to you, cause that seems where the misunderstanding here might lie.

yang:

Oh really?? You are a beneficiary of subsidy?? You dey make me laff. Somebody is paid =N= 22.4 billion every year for marketing his product and you sit here and count yourself as a BENEFICIARY.

This country produces Crude oil. . . .and still imports PMS because silly things like subsidy exist. You have not been able to justify in your post why Nigeria should continue to pay =N=1,340,000,000,000 to a select few while other people dey suffer dey hussle to make ends meet.

its unjustifiable Economics. That is a Govt Indelibrately (if there is a word like this ) empowering a few Individuals. With that kind of free money, people could destabilize a Govt by Importing Arms or sponsoring Terrorism.

All these Misnomers did not start with GEJ and probably he wont be the one to end all of it. But at least he is trying to end some of it.

If you really want poor people to start benefitting from something. . . Start calling for a Social Security System that can FEED and Cloth people. . . . . At least Govt can have a direct Impact that way. . , . Not all these mumu argument about fuel price. How does this Subsidy affect a poor homeless woman and her children who live under the bridge?

And =N=1,340,000,000,000 don go this year'just like that. Yet dem never fit finish Osha -Enugu Express of just a few billion naira. If you buy the fuel, for which road you go take am drive sef??
. . . . . which road person wan take go Xmas sef?

Leave them jare! Its clown season.

People pay N65.00 per litre to remain in slavery, while some corrupt goons have legally sewn their theft into the laws of the land.
It is a supreme irony that some are calling for "revolution" to fight the person who wants to free them and engage in bloody battle so the owners of the country can continue rap!ng their daughters and stealing their childrens milk. Its foolishness whichever way one looks at it.

Anybody that is crying for revolution over the removal of the fuel subsidy is either willfully ignorant of their own country or a hyena who benefits from the fuel subsidy.

Again; Nigerians pay N65.00 per litre to remain in slavery, its the bribe thats paid to own you.

all these 9ja presidos and oil money self. Gej dey try tell us say without the removal of fuel subsidy 'stroke' go hammer 9ja economy. Make the senators,ministers and co slash their salary atleast by 50% then we go listen to him 'folktales'.
reduce the cost of running this fake government and save money.
make una no mind beaf,him na messenger.
IF 9JA NO GET OIL GOVERNMENT NO GO PROVIDE FOR ITS CITIZENS?

This fuel subsidy palava no be GEJ wahala, na d wahala of d ppl wey giam shoe. D time he de cry say he no get shoe I say make una leave am make he de take leg waka dem say no. Now see d wahala u bring us now.

A-ZeD:

If GEJ really meant well, he would not be pushing for subsidy removal but resource control!!!! By the way, do you know that the money saved from subsidy would be shared among the three tier's of Government??

GEJ has kicked off the process to change the constitution. Among the fundamental issues he is gunning for are, true federalism and the abrogation of anti-people and anti-entreprenueral laws, such as the land use act.
Our President is a quiet guy, so you need to stick your ear to the ground to get a feel for what is brewing in Aso Rock (and it is bloody impressive ); as soon as you begin to get a feel for where the country is headed, you will likely turn an avid supporter.

Just last week, it was quietly announced that states and local govts in Nigeria will be allowed to generate and distribute electricity; that in my opinion is an incredible display of the good things coming our way and our steady match toward development, it was another epic milestone in our corporate existence. And as always, it was done with quiet assurance.
The generator and PHCN mafia's have been defeated, next on the line is the petroleum mafia. Believe it, they to will be swept away, "revolution" or no "revolution."
I trust GEJ.

Nigeria must develop and no power below God can stand in the way.

Beaf:

GEJ has kicked off the process to change the constitution. Among the fundamental issues he is gunning for are, true federalism and the abrogation of anti-people and anti-entreprenueral laws, such as the land use act.
Our President is a quiet guy, so you need to stick your ear to the ground to get a feel for what is brewing in Aso Rock (and it is bloody impressive ); as soon as you begin to get a feel for where the country is headed, you will likely turn an avid supporter.

Just last week, it was quietly announced that states and local govts in Nigeria will be allowed to generate and distribute electricity; that in my opinion is an incredible display of the good things coming our way and our steady match toward development, it was another epic milestone in our corporate existence. And as always, it was done with quiet assurance.
The generator and PHCN mafia's have been defeated, next on the line is the petroleum mafia. Believe it, they to will be swept away, "revolution" or no "revolution."
I trust GEJ.

Nigeria must develop and no power below God can stand in the way.

Go tell that to those you can confuse. Animal liar without conscious. You know the hottest part of hell awaits you for all the manipulation. Tell us your name and occupation if you are so sure of your stand.


http://www.peoplesdaily-online.com/politics/politics-today/12474-the-demands-of-buhari-voters-2

That's part of my article immediately after the election. It's unfortunate I hardly have time to write now; but sooner your likes and your master will be exposed.

@Beaf

{{The generator and PHCN mafia's have
been defeated, next on the line is the petroleum mafia. Believe it, they to will
be swept away, "revolution" or no "revolution." I trust GEJ.}}

What utter nonsense are you babbling about. Tell that to half-wits and ingnoramus who are so common place on nairaland; people who cannot see beyond what they are told. How does the subsidy removal defeats the petroleum mafia.

In this particu
lar matter, when you imply that the petroleum mafoa will be defeated, common sense dictates what that should mean is: they will no longer be making billions off the country. But is that really the case.

The proper and right way of defaeting the petroleum mafia is for GEJ to get our four refiniries to start working as soon as possible.

But PDP +
GEJ, rather than fix the refiniries, wants
fuel importation to continue at all cost,
because it is the biggest & easiest source
of political patronage used by PDP to enrich its chieftains and rewards its
loyalist and financial backers. But
because it's an heavy burden, GEJ wants
to eat his cake and have it: he wants to/
believes-he-can satisfy the caprices and
whims of a corrupt political elites (and their collaborating business elites) and
also the need for economic development,
so he decides he will shift the burden to
the neck of the masses. So instead of
importers collecting the corruption-
subsidy from goverment, they will be collecting it directly from the masses.

making and executing polcies/decisions for economy development is about healing the land
and not flying to some cloudy theories
and pandering parochial interests. May
our destiny not depend on their subsidy.

This means the ultimate responsibilty of GEJ
is to better and improve the living
standard of the masses and not acquire
some exellent paper statstics for Nigeria
on GDP,macro & micro figurs exetera
bullshit.

To further throw more light on what I was talking about in the above post, I'll write something here I already post on another thread.


The Reason Why Oil-subsidy Cannot Be
Removed Through The Repairs Of Our
Refinries.

The fanthom removal of oil-subsidy is
just
a ploy to increase the price of petrol.
Reason? GEJ wants his friends - the
CABAL to continue making billions from
fuel-importation, but wants to shift the burden from the neck of his goverment
unto the neck of the poor masses already
overburdend through goverment
corruption. Please anyone who has even a single
bone of sincerityin his/her body, please
ask yourself & answer this pertinent
question: Why can't this fuel subsidy be
removed
through making(by repairs) our refiniries to start working & functioning at full
capacity?

WHY CAN'T THIS OIL-SUBSIDY BE
REMOVED BY MAKING (BY REPAIRS) OUR
REFINIRIES TO START WORKING AND
FUNCTIONING AT FULL CAPACITY?

In my own opinion, the answer to this
pertinent question(also big puzzle) is
this: if the refinries start working as they
should, the need to make any trillions
availabe for oil-subsidy will vanish. But
that's not the only thing that will vanish. The very lucrative billions-of-dollars-
profit-making- business of fuel-
importation will automatically grind to a
halt since Nigeria will have all the fuel it
needs produced loaclly through our
refiniries, hence no need for importation.

So because fuel-importation must
continue at all cost, because
"chopulation" must continue at all cost for
the BIG BOYS of PDP and PDP associates,
the option to be taken is for price of fuel
to be increased instead of the best option (best both in short & long terms) of
repairing our refiniries. This way, the PDP Big Boys continue
making money; but instead of making it
off goverment, GEJ wants them t now be
making it off the poor masses.

Please, all you guys championing oil-subsidy removal, prove wrong what I have said here or shut up forever,

make una wait o!
shey GEJ mention subsidy removal during election campaign??
small time now we go dey hear "continuity" and some peeps go dey f[i]ollow-follow[/i] with dust yarning.
anyway,make them dey fool those wey want to be fooled.

lanre_front:

To further throw more light on what I was talking about in the above post, I'll write something here I already post on another thread.


The Reason Why Oil-subsidy Cannot Be
Removed Through The Repairs Of Our
Refinries.

The fanthom removal of oil-subsidy is
just
a ploy to increase the price of petrol.
Reason? GEJ wants his friends - the
CABAL to continue making billions from
fuel-importation, but wants to shift the burden from the neck of his goverment
unto the neck of the poor masses already
overburdend through goverment
corruption. Please anyone who has even a single
bone of sincerityin his/her body, please
ask yourself & answer this pertinent
question: Why can't this fuel subsidy be
removed
through making(by repairs) our refiniries to start working & functioning at full
capacity?

WHY CAN'T THIS OIL-SUBSIDY BE
REMOVED BY MAKING (BY REPAIRS) OUR
REFINIRIES TO START WORKING AND
FUNCTIONING AT FULL CAPACITY?

In my own opinion, the answer to this
pertinent question(also big puzzle) is
this: if the refinries start working as they
should, the need to make any trillions
availabe for oil-subsidy will vanish. But
that's not the only thing that will vanish. The very lucrative billions-of-dollars-
profit-making- business of fuel-
importation will automatically grind to a
halt since Nigeria will have all the fuel it
needs produced loaclly through our
refiniries, hence no need for importation.

So because fuel-importation must
continue at all cost, because
"chopulation" must continue at all cost for
the BIG BOYS of PDP and PDP associates,
the option to be taken is for price of fuel
to be increased instead of the best option (best both in short & long terms) of
repairing our refiniries. This way, the PDP Big Boys continue
making money; but instead of making it
off goverment, GEJ wants them t now be
making it off the poor masses.

Please, all you guys championing oil-subsidy removal, prove wrong what I have said here or shut up forever,

BEAF , BEAF, Reply him. Mr teflon don, very slick and smooth . Never ever caught in a web. Master of side stepping and deflection
I know he wouldnt reply u, instead he would call you IGNORANT of nigeria problems and not UNDERSTANDING the meaning of subsidy.
Truth be told, BEAF is the best PR man money can buy better than than Reuben Abati. yep yep.

Subsidy mathematics according to the govt (as I've understood it):
Assume the market price of PMS is N100;

Consumers pay N40 at the pump;
Tax payers via the Govt pay N60 ("subsidy"
Total to marketers: N100

Without "subsidy"
Consumers pay N100
Total to marketers:N100

In theory this should mean the govt has N60 to play with - Yes? No!

Why no? This isn't the first time "subsidy" is being removed but we never get an explanation of what this subsidy has been spent on. Can someone close to the govt account for the savings?

If the "subsidy" is removed then explain with specific projects what the historical savings have been spent on?

KA24DETT:


BEAF , BEAF, Reply him. Mr teflon don, very slick and smooth . Never ever caught in a web. Master of side stepping and deflection
I know he wouldnt reply u, instead he would call you IGNORANT of nigeria problems and not UNDERSTANDING the meaning of subsidy.
Truth be told, BEAF is the best PR man money can buy better than than Reuben Abati. yep yep.

And why would you want me to reply crap? How can I reply anyone who asks why GEJ has not ordered the refineries be repaired? As a token of help to the willingly ignorant, GEJ gave the order for the full repair of all refineries way back in August; therefore, it is painful to observe a grown man beating his rather hollow chest, only to reveal that he is ignorant to alarming levels.

Why would you want me to respond to drivel?

By the way, thanks for the various "titles"; I am flattered.

lanre_front:

To further throw more light on what I was talking about in the above post, I'll write something here I already post on another thread.


The Reason Why Oil-subsidy Cannot Be
Removed Through The Repairs Of Our
Refinries.

The fanthom removal of oil-subsidy is
just
a ploy to increase the price of petrol.
Reason? GEJ wants his friends - the
CABAL to continue making billions from
fuel-importation, but wants to shift the burden from the neck of his goverment
unto the neck of the poor masses already
overburdend through goverment
corruption. Please anyone who has even a single
bone of sincerityin his/her body, please
ask yourself & answer this pertinent
question: Why can't this fuel subsidy be
removed
through making(by repairs) our refiniries to start working & functioning at full
capacity?

WHY CAN'T THIS OIL-SUBSIDY BE
REMOVED BY MAKING (BY REPAIRS) OUR
REFINIRIES TO START WORKING AND
FUNCTIONING AT FULL CAPACITY?

In my own opinion, the answer to this
pertinent question(also big puzzle) is
this: if the refinries start working as they
should, the need to make any trillions
availabe for oil-subsidy will vanish. But
that's not the only thing that will vanish. The very lucrative billions-of-dollars-
profit-making- business of fuel-
importation will automatically grind to a
halt since Nigeria will have all the fuel it
needs produced loaclly through our
refiniries, hence no need for importation.

So because fuel-importation must
continue at all cost, because
"chopulation" must continue at all cost for
the BIG BOYS of PDP and PDP associates,
the option to be taken  is for price of fuel
to be increased instead of the best option (best both in short & long terms) of
repairing our refiniries. This way, the PDP Big Boys continue
making money; but instead of making it
off goverment, GEJ wants them t now be
making it off the poor masses.

Please, all you guys championing oil-subsidy removal, prove wrong what I have said here or shut up forever,

Beaf just being hit with a right hook and falls to the canvas. Kobojunkie has begun the countdown .   GEJ with new shoes acting as BEAF coach is urging beaf to get up and stay till the end of the fight , Would beaf stage a comeback??

Beaf:

And why would you want me to reply crap? How can I reply anyone who asks why GEJ has not ordered the refineries be repaired? As a token of help to the willingly ignorant, GEJ gave the order for the full repair of all refineries way back in August; therefore, it is painful to observe a grown man beating his rather hollow chest, only to reveal that he is ignorant to alarming levels.

Why would you want me to respond to drivel?

By the way, thanks for the various "titles"; I am flattered.

BEAF MAKES A COMEBACK. DEFLECTING AS USUAL. EVERYBODY IS SHOCKED. GEJ smiling in his new shoes and screams "Thats my boy!!!!! best PR money can buy!!!!!!!".

^
Dude, if I reply you, the result will be buckets and basins of tears. Many have fallen on the road you are foolishly treading.
It is best to keep to the argument if you have the intelligence to do so.

Beaf:

And why would you want me to reply crap? How can I reply anyone who asks why GEJ has not ordered the refineries be repaired? As a token of help to the willingly ignorant, GEJ gave the order for the full repair of all refineries way back in August; therefore, it is painful to observe a grown man beating his rather hollow chest, only to reveal that he is ignorant to alarming levels.

Why would you want me to respond to drivel?

By the way, thanks for the various "titles"; I am flattered.

GEJ already gave the order since August. (Please don't make me laugh) So did Obasanjo some over eight years ago and after the expenditure of bllions of dollars, our refiniries are still comatose.

If u've been following the news, many notable Nigerians have been echoing something similar. General Gowon was saying this very thing in the papers today. Even mmebers of the special senate committee based their arguement against subsidy removal on this premise.

Note that what is in question now is not whether he gave the order or not. What is questionable is: why not a little patience; finsh the repairs of the refiniries, then remove the subsidy. This way you get have the saving that would have been spent on subsidy, and there won't be need to increase price of fuel. This is the humane way to go about it. If economic development is to serve the people, then the good and welfare of the people should be prioritized over the means to actualize that development.

if the goverment is really serious, there is no reason why existing refiniries can't start functioning at 60% capacity within 12 to 18 months. Never mind GEJ; Nigeria can't collaspe before that time.

Then another matter is, previous goverments have always said the same thing, allow us to increase the price, then we'll fix the refiniries. Why not fix the refiniries first, then there won't be need for you to be labouring so much to convince people that you are sincere. Infact not a single person will oppose you.

Beaf:

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Dude, if I reply you, the result will be buckets and basins of tears. Many have fallen on the road you are foolishly treading.
It is best to keep to the argument if you have the intelligence to do so.

Dude,.Nigerians are worried that the money saved from subsidy won't be used for developement.instead, would end up in foreign bank accounts. They have every reason to be cus their leaders have not been sincere in their dealings with them. Your boss need to speak to the masses directly and adress their fears and also what to expect when the subsidy is removed.
FYI, Wtf, Am gona cry cus of words u post on a forum ? If u don't get the humor in what I posted then too bad, Am just writing what everybody thinks of you and Jonathan which I think you should be used to by now. Getting all worked up over it dosent sound smart and I know u are a very smart man. I hope Jonathan experiment and everything you envisioned goes as planned , cus this road wont be easy. Jonathan has to grow some thick skin to continue forging ahead if he's certain that thisexperiment would benefit Nigeria at the end,

lanre_front,
good post there. i couldn't have said it better myself.

JamesDoe:

Subsidy mathematics according to the govt (as I've understood it):
Assume the market price of PMS is N100;

Consumers pay N40 at the pump;
Tax payers via the Govt pay N60 ("subsidy"
Total to marketers: N100

Without "subsidy"
Consumers pay N100
Total to marketers:N100

In theory this should mean the govt has N60 to play with - Yes? No!

Why no? This isn't the first time "subsidy" is being removed but we never get an explanation of what this subsidy has been spent on. Can someone close to the govt account for the savings?

If the "subsidy" is removed then explain with specific projects what the historical savings have been spent on?

The bolded above is why you will know GEJ and Beaf aint serious, They blame a phantom cabal for their inefficiencies!!!!
Subsidy removal affects the masses not the so called cabal

lanre_front:

To further throw more light on what I was talking about in the above post, I'll write something here I already post on another thread.


The Reason Why Oil-subsidy Cannot Be
Removed Through The Repairs Of Our
Refinries.

The fanthom removal of oil-subsidy is
just
a ploy to increase the price of petrol.
Reason? GEJ wants his friends - the
CABAL to continue making billions from
fuel-importation, but wants to shift the burden from the neck of his goverment
unto the neck of the poor masses already
overburdend through goverment
corruption. Please anyone who has even a single
bone of sincerityin his/her body, please
ask yourself & answer this pertinent
question: Why can't this fuel subsidy be
removed
through making(by repairs) our refiniries to start working & functioning at full
capacity?

WHY CAN'T THIS OIL-SUBSIDY BE
REMOVED BY MAKING (BY REPAIRS) OUR
REFINIRIES TO START WORKING AND
FUNCTIONING AT FULL CAPACITY?

In my own opinion, the answer to this
pertinent question(also big puzzle) is
this: if the refinries start working [/b]as they
should, the need to make any trillions
availabe for oil-subsidy will vanish. But
that's not the only thing that will vanish. The very lucrative billions-of-dollars-
profit-making- business of fuel-
importation will automatically grind to a
halt since Nigeria will have all the fuel it
needs produced loaclly through our
refiniries, hence no need for importation.

So because fuel-importation must
continue at all cost, because
"chopulation" must continue at all cost for
the BIG BOYS of PDP and PDP associates,
the option to be taken is for price of fuel
to be increased instead of the best option (best both in short & long terms) of
repairing our refiniries. This way, the PDP Big Boys continue
making money; but instead of making it
off goverment, GEJ wants them t now be
making it off the poor masses.

Please, all you guys championing oil-subsidy removal,[b] prove wrong what I have said here or shut up forever,

Bia Mr man . . .I'm not interested in proving you right or wrong. You have just displayed your level of understanding of the issues. It goes more deeper than that.

All i want you to know is that Corruption is wide spread in Nigeria. It runs deep. . . Very deep. Those refineries will never work as long as Govt continues to run them. . . . Never. . . . . Govt has no business doing business. Those refineries will never work as long as we keep importing fuel and subsidizing it.


It just does not work . . In the words of Govt. . .It is unsustainable. I am with them on this one. Already you can see people Hoarding fuel in anticipation of profit. Its guys. . . . .It will be painful . . .But in the end, we shall all be better for it.

Have you ever asked urself why at the end of every FEC Meeting on wednesday, Why it is only FCT that has its projects approved by the council?? Solid waste, Abuja municipal nonesense etc etc, yet people dey drink dust to go from Osha - Enugu

The money for all these projects are being sunk into subsidy. This year alone it stands at =N= 1, 340, 000, 000, 000.

Chai. . . . Suddenly Common reasoning is on Holiday

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I laugh when I hear people like yopu say you don't really understand the issue, it's is deeper than that. How deep is it? Is a spiritual matter that is indicernible to ordinary mortals?

And I do have a very deep understanding of the matter. I see no need to go into complexities and be confusing people the way the goverment ministers always does. So i decicded to put it as simple as I can.

When you say there is no way goverment can successfully run refiniries, respectfully I say to you, you are not making sense. They are several oil producing countries who run state refinires successfully: Venuezela is very good example of this and the citizens buy petrol at N17 per liter. The Venuezelan ambassador himself said this at a public function to the embarrasement of goverment officials.

Have you heard the latest revelation from the senate committee investigating the management of oil-subsidy: 65 000 barrels or 31 billion naira daily cannot be accounted for by the NNPC.

Guys like you only repeat what you hear from otherd or are being told by goverment officials.

A good demonstration of this is what you said in your comment:

{{The money for all these projects are
being sunk into subsidy. This year alone it
stands at =N= 1, 340, 000, 000, 000}}

Have you not heard the amount which budgeted for the subsidy is 240 billion naira, and till now, at the ongoing investgation by the senate committee, no goverment official has been able to show how the cost jumped from 240 billion naira to 1.4 trillion naira.

Any Nairalander that does not have a brain should try to fasttrack growing one, or go and borrow one. It's essential to our collective survival,

The only way out for the petroleum sector is for the govt to completely lift its hands off it. Today, as we speak, the subsidy is going; in the near future, the whole of NNPC will follow in the unstoppable match toward true federalism.
We can not keep subsidising corruption on an industrial scale and hope to get anywhere. Sweep the phucking thing and its machinery out of the house!!

Let those who want the govt to do everything for them keep pining for a past that only brought underdevelopment. You are wasting your time, the entire petroleum sector will be privatised with govt only holding on to strategic strings for national security.

If I was one of the the anti-subsidy folk, I would be on the streets right now, carrying out a foolish "revolution" and absorbing teargas through all body orifices. Rubbish!
Nigeria MUST develop and move forward, regardless of those who want to remain in the past with worthless local and state govts, and a huge Abuja beggars bowl. Every unit of govt must begin working and churning out wealth and employment, not begging for Abuja for monthly stipends like we are a nation of voluntarily disabled nitwits.