Beretta92:

Did u say "angel moroni" appeared 2 joe smith? i see,dats why most mormon stuff look n sound moronic.d whole mormon story luks lik fabricatn 2 me,wif a little bit of or a lot of literal or paraphrased bible verses inserted here n there.if jesus appeared in d americas centuries ago as mormons say,why didn't d pilgrim fathers meet xtians when they arrived america?? Anyways,nice write up n gud comparison.big ups 2 u op.

plappville:

[size=16pt]But allah could ve spoken mouth to mouth or face to face like he did to Moses [/size]

The Koran reports no signs and wonders of Muhammad. The Bible/Torah recorded Moses did multiple signs and wonders? as allah became weak with Muhammed to prove deut:18:18?

"Say: I am not the first of the apostles, and I do not know what will be done with me or with you: I do not follow anything but that which is revealed to me, and I am nothing but a plain warner. Say: Have you considered if it is from Allah, and you disbelieve in it, and a witness from among the children of Israel has borne witness of one like him, so he believed, while you are big with pride; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people" (Sura 46:9-10).

LagosShia:

Exodus 33:20
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live".

"plappvile" ou are blabbing nonsense.:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-825291.0.html#msg9766032

plappville:

But his presence was seen in symbols like:God reveal himself to Moses with the burning bush (Ex. 3:2-15)
(Gen. 19:1-13, 33). God went before the Hebrews as they traversed the wilderness. What they saw was the pillar of cloud and the pillar of fire.

(Ex. 13:21-22). God entered into and dwelt in the holy of holies of his tabernacle. But what the high priest saw was the Shekinah or glory of the Lord, the bright shining light that was the symbol of his presence in their midst.

(Ex. 40:34-35).
While on Mt. Sinai Moses asked God, "Show me thy glory. And (God) said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and he said, Thou canst not see my face; for man shall not see me and live, and thou shalt see my back: but my face shall not be seen"

(Ex. 33:18-23). When God spoke to Moses "face to face" He spoke as "a man unto his friend," i.e., familiarly.

God dont hid his presence from his people.

Mohammed claimed he saw Angel Gabriel, not God.

LagosShia:

Holy Quran 53:18
"For truly did he (Muhammad) see the greatest Signs of his Lord!

plappville:

What are the signs, the symbles that shows the presence of God before him?

fxjones:

I was a mormon for 2 years, i started to get worried about my belief when i learnt they believe there are many GODS and Jesus in other planets, so they believe they too by obedience to Gods commandment will become GODS with their wives. After leaving the church i still find it difficult to get this off my head, they believe in so many weird things they will never tell you when you are newly converted to their religion. they teach you doctrines that wholy contradict the bible on the claim that the bible is not complete or corrupted, The most annoying thing is that when your eyes are opened and you asked the so called instructor a question that contradict their claim their answer will be "such questions are not necessary for your salvation'. they will throw it aside. although my record is still there i am praying to recover from the spell before officially meeting them to delete my record and serve the only true and one God of all universe the apostles served. people be careful

[size=14pt](Galathians 1:But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


Jeremiah 23:16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.


Ezekiel 22:27 Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain.
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LagosShia:

please for your own sake,get a Quran and read it if you want us to believe you are enlightened and not caged!

if you need a link here is one with good english translation and commentary:

http://quran.al-islam.org/

in it,you will find miracles,prophecies,knowledge of the unseen and truth and wisdom.if you still insist you dont want to read,or that you will not read,by tomorrow morning i would have compiled for you a few examples.

plappville:

Anything/link about the kuran is the kuran itself. it will continue to speak of itself as usual. but i ve no disturb reading itm thats how i can really see its inside.

Sweetnecta:

@Plappville: Are you a yoruba woman because a song in yoruba about Muhammad [as] and hearing the Voice of God in his journey to heavens, is a good way to answer you here?

If Abraham was Friend of God, and Moses spoke to God, Jesus was a word from God, do you know that Muhammad covered all of these qualities and then some?

LagosShia:

read and i wish you the best and guidance!

the first verse of the Quran revealed is just one word:"READ"!

Sweetnecta:

@Plapville; »Evidently, you do not want to hear the Yoruba song. As to friendship to God, Muhammad being a messenger of God is also a Friend of God. There is a hadith in which the messenger [as] said that if he were not the "personal" Friend of God, he would have been that personal friend of one of his companions [ra].

As to the one who God spoke to, and spoke to God directly, the journey of Muhammad known as Isra wa Miraj, though it complete what you christians are still waiting for Jesus to complete, as a return, now that there is no single disciple on earth, Muhammad [as] spoke to God, and was given the command of how many salah and rakats in a day to make, as well as the last 4 verses of Chapter 4, without Jibril [as] being the bringer of revelation here. the tashahuud of salah is the greeting of Muhammad to his Lord and His returning the greeting, and the angels with Muhammad and the believers the best of destination.

Everyone, creation is a word of God, as in His Command of the creation coming to an existence.

Muhammad [as] is over all of them as i have said by being the only prophet who is told to carry message of guidance beyond his tribe, his local people, but to the rest of the world. God called him, His seal of Messenger and seal of prophet-hood, so much so that no messenger or prophet will be raised after him. No message will be delivered after him. All messengers and prophets before him were asked to support him, if they were alive when he will be raised to deliver his message. If you accept the "sandals i am not worthy of carrying" of John about Jesus. each messenger or prophet is the same about Muhammad. He is their leader who each of them must follow. And that includes the son of Mary [as]. (John 14:6)Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, but by me.

No man cometh to the Father but by me - To come to the Father is to obtain his favor, to have access to his throne by prayer, and finally to enter his kingdom. No man can obtain any of these things except by the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. By coming by him is meant coming in his name and depending on his merits. We are ignorant, and he alone can guide us. We are sinful, and it is only by his merits that we can be pardoned. We are blind, and he only can enlighten us. God has appointed him as the Mediator, and has ordained that all blessings shall descend to this world through him. Aside Jesus, there is absolute no one. His words remains.



Cursing an angel? you see the scare tactics in play. There is no tactics, this show u how divine and true the "word of God is", Even if an angel come to contradicts the bible, he will be accused. The word is unchangeable.


And it was a prophet of God who said this? I wonder what will Jesus say to this? Maybe this is the reason Jesus and John disagreed on who John was as to being Elijah? Jesus said same things, all words in the bible are divine from "HIM JESUS", u must know that.


? The doctrine who shed blood believing they are doing it for God is what this verse is refaring to.

plappville:

[size=18pt](Galathians 1:But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


Jeremiah 23:16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.


Ezekiel 22:27 Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain.[/size]

[size=14pt]Similarities Muhammed and Mormon.

The followers of Muhammad and Joseph Smith both killed innocent "infidel" on the same date of 9/11. On September 11, 1857, Mormon militia massacred about 140 men, women and children under the authority of Brigham Young. However 17 very young children were spared and adopted into Mormon families. They were in fact sold to the highest Mormon family bidder and resold and traded many times afterwords. This event is called "The Mountain Meadows" massacre. Mormon leaders engaged in a deliberate rewriting of history to deny they were behind the murders. On September 11, 2001 Muhammad's followers, using the Koran as a guide, sent two airplanes into the World Trade Center killing 3000 innocent men, women and children. Muslims today have a PhD in rewriting history and preach in the mosques that Jews were actually driving the planes, not Muslim terrorists.
Both were visited by an angel. Joseph Smith was visited by the angel "Moroni" and Muhammad by Gabriel. Galatians 1:6-9 says, "I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you, and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed."
Both Muhammed and Mormon were given visions.  [/size]

plappville:

@LagosSian, but u know The bible did not teach us to bomb.

frosbel:

^^

Surely you are not that thick, that you cannot read the Quran and explain in your words.

You seem to have no original ideas, constantly rushing off to Shia Scholar web sites to come back here and paste another man's interpretation of your books.

Think for yourself man, unlock your brain.