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Re: O Allah, You Be The Judge Between Us And Our People; They Decevd And Desertd Us by tpia5: 3:33pm On Dec 27, 2011 |
i dont think it really makes any differnce or it does not really matter.it still conveys the same intention of greeting.i just feel "alaykom" or "alaikom" is closer to the arabic pronunciation than "aleikum". alaykum seems to be the pakistani pronounciation as well. |
Re: O Allah, You Be The Judge Between Us And Our People; They Decevd And Desertd Us by vedaxcool(m): 10:50pm On Dec 27, 2011 |
LagosShia: like I cared! LagosShia: Yes! LagosShia:[size=14pt] Really Sunnis regard the companions of the prophet pbuh as angels, you see, shiasm is a case against Islam, whether you like it or not, to claim that a majority of the men who started the journey of Islam with the Prophet pbuh immediately apostatized after his death will simply mean he could not even convince the people around him, that Allah made a grave error referring to his wife Aisha r.a as Mother of the believer only for her to show the worst character accrd. to shias again immediately after the prophet pbuh died! auzobillah, what sort of failure would one label the religion! I Islam we are told to give our brothers a 100 excuses but we find the shias passing judgement over incidents that one would have to dissect the hearts of people to clearly understand. the same shias would claim the companions altered teh glorious book al Qur'an to cover their tracks, yet their infallible imam essentially failed to prevent the alteration, this is cardinal shia beliefs, where some go a far as claiming the Qur'an contain over 7000 verses that the companions not only succeeded in reducing the verses of the Qur'an but where also able to erase those verses from the memory of all muslims alive then, you! be sincere enough to tell me isn't this a great case against Islam? for shias to back their theology, they will need to fault so many aspect of Islam to "prove" their case. To say because the companions disagreed amongst themselves meant they are evil and devilish is hardly tangible in any rational circle, Jesus disciples showed the level of their faith when he was with them not after he had left, yet we discovered that the Bulk of people surrounding the prophet pbuh according to the shias were able to deceive the Prodphet pbuh and then succeded in altering messages in the Qur'an, innovated and literally made the majority of Muslim go astray, we then ask Jesus real disciples with the little information we have never started moving words from their places . The issue of Saqifa should be clear if you are willing to understand the context, the ansars believed they had greater rights in leading the Muslims, just as other Banu"s" within the Ummah belived they had greater rights in ruling, meaning there was clear concensus amongst the various groups that the Prophet pbuh never appointed any one to lead after him, or else again you are willing to say the level of hyporisy was so high that nearly everyone overlooked the Prophet's order, again it will be hard rationally to say the Prophet had no inkling that his companions would betray him auzobillah, yet Jesus was able to know to a certain extent that his companions would not be true to their words. Again I reaffrim that holding unto the shia view will actually indicate failure of multiple proportions. If the very first community that was suppose to bring Islam to future generations were majorly hypocrites then the bulk of the information they passed accross will have little or no grounds to be trusted, to which again we kow the shias indict the Qur'an as being incomplete auzobillah your admission a success? Far from that your "admission" hinges on so may if, perharps and probably to be taken anywhere close to admission, an "admission" that relies more on conjecture is indeed far from an admission! such admission will make the "infalliable" Imam almost like a front roll spectator who literally watch as Islam was decapitated and did close to nothing in salvaging the matter! [/size] LagosShia: [size=14pt]Mutah is hardly distinguishable from Prostitution or ashewo since you r Yoruba. It is not in your position to tell Al Sunnah that hadith that label Mutah as illegal as being farbricated. Mutah precludes Islam, and just like Alchohol it was banned in phases. The Shorter Encyclopedia of Islam The Shorter Encyclopedia of Islam also states that Mutah was a common practice among Arab travelers and goes back to the fourth century: “When a stranger came to a village and had no place to stay, he would marry a woman for a short time so that she would be his partner in bed and take care of his property.” the fact that Imam jafar stated that divorve shakes the throne of Allah should be enough reason why the shias should aviod it or may be because again their hadiths says if one practive mutah 4 times he reaches the level of teh holy prophet pbuh! i Umar r.a vigorously enforce the ban[/size] |
Re: O Allah, You Be The Judge Between Us And Our People; They Decevd And Desertd Us by isalegan2: 12:12am On Dec 28, 2011 |
LagosShia, and Vedaxcool, So you are both Yoruba, are you? Can you give an age range (not a specific age) only if you care to. Like. . . under or over 25, college age, 30-40, middle-aged, etc. In the middle of reading Vedaxcool's replies. P.S. There's no weird reason for asking about age. I was just curious about the maturity level of the people with whom I'm discussing. No offense, okay. ![]() |
Re: O Allah, You Be The Judge Between Us And Our People; They Decevd And Desertd Us by LagosShia: 2:23pm On Dec 30, 2011 |
isale_gan2:i can simply say i am above 25.and i am yoruba but more exposed to living abroad and away from home since childhood. |
Re: O Allah, You Be The Judge Between Us And Our People; They Decevd And Desertd Us by vedaxcool(m): 10:29pm On Dec 31, 2011 |
isale_gan2: Not Yoruba and between 25 - 30! i remember a statement a pastor once made; It is not about being old enough for a task or undertaking but being prepared enough, by the way do you associate maturity with being Yoruba too? just kidding ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: O Allah, You Be The Judge Between Us And Our People; They Decevd And Desertd Us by isalegan2: 5:07am On Jan 05, 2012 |
LagosShia: All right. Very good. Thank you, broda. ![]() vedaxcool: Ah! sorry. You're right. Age doesn't always signify maturity. One of the wisest most mature person I know is conservatively 25 years more mature than his numerical age. I just meant, sometimes you want to know if the person with whom you're talking had similar experiences to you. I also wanted to find similarities between you two, and amongst all three of us. No, I don't think Yorubas have any kind of patent on maturity. lol. You not being Yoruba only makes you more interesting, no worries. You Naija then? Never mind. ![]() Who's the pastor you were listening to? Was that during your Christian days? ![]() ![]() I am glad we had this talk. I hope we can all learn from each other. . . especially me. You two are very knowledgeable and determined, even though I suspect one or both may be [i]slightly [/i]younger than me. You see, Vedaxcool, I am not above listening to the young 'uns. ![]() Salaam. |
Re: O Allah, You Be The Judge Between Us And Our People; They Decevd And Desertd Us by LagosShia: 10:27am On Jan 05, 2012 |
isale_gan2: welcome! wa alaikum assalam. |
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