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Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 5:52pm On Oct 05, 2007 |
chukz4real:Hey Mr, Don't say again 'if not our faith'. Don't wait for them to kill you. carry out pre emptive attack if possible. Christains have to prepare and fight those Goat heads Moslems back. As they are killing you in the North, kill them back in the south, that is the only solution to this proplem.(but be careful don't kill Yoruba Moslems) If Christains keep on folding their arms and be waiting for Jesus Christ to send Angel Micheal to fight for them instead of fighting back, ok good luck to christains. Those Moslems are killing mainly people from South South and South East who lives in the North. Am asking people from this Region 'Why are you people still waiting? Retaliate. I can see some Mosque still standing in (Port Harcout, Uyo, Enugu,Umuahia,Calabar), Am asking Why are they still standing?. Christains should bring it down. the more they Moslems kill you and nothing happen to them, the more they derive pleasure to kill you more. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by ow11(m): 8:50pm On Oct 05, 2007 |
willywilly: Thats the solution. Please all the Igbos ( they are the main victims) meet ur neighbours in Niger delta for arms and KILL any bastard that claims to be killing for Mohammed. This thing is senseless killing under the guise of religion. If the zombies realise that these sprees are not effective they'll take a chill pill. NONSENSE! since the govt. will not clamp down on those hoodlums then people should fend for themselves and move out of that desert! |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by T2(m): 9:01pm On Oct 05, 2007 |
When aboki begin browse internet ? |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by denex: 9:27pm On Oct 05, 2007 |
Somebody is advocating revenge on muslims in the South but also calling for care to be taken to avoid killing Yoruba Muslims. Yet nothing is being said about avoiding the killing of Christian Northeners. That is also how the Northerners advocate for the killing of Christians but they too caution for their people to avoid killing Yoruba Christians. Yet they say nothing about sparing Ibo Muslims. When will you people wake up and realise that all these things are tribal wars mobilised and fuel by calling onto the the religious sentiments of the masses. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by DisGuy: 9:49pm On Oct 05, 2007 |
willywilly: they are waiting for you, bring gun powder with you |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 10:13pm On Oct 05, 2007 |
LOL. Retaliating on innocent Muslims would do us no good. But I stongly believe every Christian in Northern Nigeria should posess a loaded gun or two and I mean it. One at home and one in the market place At least you can send some of the almajiris to jannat to meet with their virgins with regenerating hymen before they approach you with their cutlass. We can't keep the virgins waiting,can we? |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 10:18pm On Oct 05, 2007 |
chukz4real: They want you to believe it's the hoodlums amongst them that cause all the problems. We know better. Islam was spread by bloodshed right from the time of Muhammad. Usman dan fodio didn't ride into Sokoto and Katsina distributing chewing gum and making suya Neither did they come into oyo giving out free tampons. They came with a sword to conquer. That is the core islamic way. Usama and rest o the terrorists did not get their example from Shango and amadioha,they are merely following the footsteps of the "prophet Muhammad" (Piss be unto him) |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by stanech: 10:24am On Oct 06, 2007 |
I think these guys are biting more than they can chew. They should not forget that few of thier brothers are here in Onitsha and even in Asaba. Make them let sleeping dog lie oh. I have said it over and over again make we devide this conuntry make everybody stay im own. In Europe every comunitee that speaks its own language is its own country no matter how small. Why are we trying to stay together when we speak different languages and practice different religion. IF they want to bring in another law that will be contrary to the freedom of speech we preach, then they should simply ask all the Igbos and christians to leave thier soil before doing so. Make Una Warn Them Oh. We dey Vex |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by ow11(m): 11:07am On Oct 06, 2007 |
nwando: All Igbos and Niger deltans in the north take note! If you are not ready to commit murder then RELOCATE you are in a war zone! |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by laudate: 2:54pm On Oct 06, 2007 |
stanech: Fernando Po is in another country, that is seperate & distinct from Nigeria. Has it stopped Southerners from migrating across their borders, into their land? So if this country is broken up, will it stop Southerners from migrating to the North?? Will it stop the attacks against Southerners by the almajiris? Riots and attacks on individual lives and property even occur among people from the same ethnic group. A ThisDay editor once said: "Would Nigeria breaking up, have prevented the Aguleri/Umuleri crisis? Would it have prevented the Ife/Modakeke riots that keeps flaring up intermittently? Would it have prevented the Zango-Kataf riots?" Our problem is that we do not know how to keep the peace, so that things do not continually degenerate into conflict. People need to find lasting solutions to inter-ethnic violence & riots. Each time there is a riot in some core Northern districts, there is loss of human life and material possessions. The very next day after the riots, instead of both the victims and the leaders to seek lasting solutions to the problem, and put in place measures that would prevent a reccurrence, the traders head for their shops as if nothing happened, while the Northern leaders head for their offices to continue with their daily activities. After the nice speeches, life continues as usual until the next round of blood-letting takes place. For societies to function effectively, there has to be rule of law, order and sanctions to keep criminal behaviour in check. A lot of Christians, Chinese and people of different religious backgrounds pour into Dubai, Saudi and several Islamic countries on a daily basis. Someone pointed that out. He also asked how many of them have been killed? We need to conduct some research and seek answers to such questions, instead of just conjuring hypothetical answers, opinions and conjecture that may not give lasting solutions. We need to ask ourselves, what are the Muslims in those societies doing right in order to prevent conflict, that our own citizens are doing wrong? Are Christians (no matter how small) not considered "infidels" or unbelievers in such societies? Why have they not been killed in the name of religion on a regular basis? Am still on a quest for truth and answers to these questions. So please don't let us derail the thread by advocating violence. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 5:23pm On Oct 06, 2007 |
laudate: When the country breaks up, the net migration will DEFINITELY be southwards and not northwards. Its the simple principle of demographics. laudate: In Saudi Arabia as in Dubai, it is an offence punishable by death or instant deportation to be caught with a bible or found praying in your house. Churches are forbidden in Saudi Arabia. In china, the church has been driven underground by government sanctioned persecution. I cant believe people in this day and age can use these cesspools of religious intolerance as examples! What do we need to ask the Saudis again? How best to suppress dissent in order to maintain a facade of peace? laudate: You dont need to kill those who have been enslaved and whose freedom have been effectively curtailed. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by laudate: 6:33pm On Oct 06, 2007 |
@ Davidylan, There are several oil workers from different Western countries who are resident in Saudi and carry their Bibles with them. There are also several Nigerian and African business people who go to Dubai very often and carry their bibles with them. Am not aware those bibles have been seized or confiscated. What a majority of Arabs frown upon is the open proselyting or attempts to win new converts to the christian religion from members of their own population. Don't forget that the Dubai & the UAE in general is a huge tourist destination now. Am not sure many bibles are currently being seized from Christian tourists and Christian workers, in that country. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Iman3(m): 6:41pm On Oct 06, 2007 |
Although considered as holy in Islam and mentioned in the Quran dozens of times, the Bible is banned in Saudi Arabia. The Bible in Saudi Arabia may get a person killed, arrested, or deported. In September 1993, Sadeq Mallallah, 23, was beheaded in Qateef on a charge of apostasy for owning a Bible. http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006712 So Laudate,you really think the Saudis don't prohibit the Bible? |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 6:52pm On Oct 06, 2007 |
laudate: I-man has already provided some evidence to debunk your error. Its best to admit you are in the dark as regards this issue rather than going round in circles trying so hard to defend the indefensible. Why dont you try flying to Saudi Arabia with your bible in your hands first before coming here to spread false tales. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 6:57pm On Oct 06, 2007 |
[url=http://www.saudia-online.com/Travelling%20to%20Saudi%20Arabia.htm]CUSTOMS REGULATIONS[/url] A number of items are not allowed to be brought into the Kingdom due to religious reasons and local regulations. These include alcoholic beverages, pork and pork products, prohibited drugs and narcotics, firearms, explosives, edged weapons and pornographic materials. Items and articles belonging to religions other than Islam are also prohibited. These may include Bibles, crucifixes, statues, carvings, items with religious symbols such as the Star of David, and others. Makkah and Medina hold special religious significance and only persons of the Islamic faith are allowed entry. Stewardess 'banned from taking bible on plane' An air stewardess is claiming religious discrimination against an airline which she says banned her from taking the Bible to Saudi Arabia. The stewardess has been told by BMI that it is against the law of the insular Middle Eastern country to bring in religious books other than the Koran. The woman, who is understood to be a committed Christian, takes her bible everywhere she goes and is now set to take the airline to an industrial tribunal claiming discrimination on religious grounds. Tell us another story madam Laudate. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 12:54am On Oct 07, 2007 |
Officially, Islamic law requires Muslims not to force Zimmis to embrace Islam. It is the duty of every Muslim, they hold, to manifest the virtues of Islam so that those who are non-Muslims will convert willingly after discovering its greatness and truth. Once a person becomes a Muslim, he cannot recant. If he does, he will be warned first, then he will be given three days to reconsider and repent. If he persists in his apostasy, his wife is required to divorce him, his property is confiscated, and his children are taken away from him. He is not allowed to remarry. Instead, he should be taken to court and sentenced to death. If he repents, he may return to his wife and children or remarry. According to the Hanifites an apostate female is not allowed to get married. She must spend time in meditation in order to return to Islam. If she does not repent or recant, she will not be sentenced to death, but she is to be persecuted, beaten and jailed until she dies. Other schools of Shari`a demand her death. The above punishment is prescribed in a Hadith recorded by the Bukhari: "It is reported by `Abaas , that the messenger of Allah , said, `Whosoever changes his religion (from Islam to any other faith), kill him." This the peaceful Islam they speak of. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 12:55am On Oct 07, 2007 |
where is madame laudate ? The poor stewardess can't even take her "Gideon's" into the smelly Saudi Airlines. She get great faith even flying with such an airline. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 12:57am On Oct 07, 2007 |
According to Muslim jurists, the following legal ordinances must be enforced on Zimmis (Christians and Jews alike) who reside among Muslims: 1) Zimmis are not allowed to build new churches, temples, or synagogues. They are allowed to renovate old churches or houses of worship provided they do not allow to add any new construction. "Old churches" are those which existed prior to Islamic conquests and are included in a peace accord by Muslims. Construction of any church, temple, or synagogue in the Arab Peninsula (Saudi Arabia) is prohibited. It is the land of the Prophet and only Islam should prevail there. Yet, Muslims, if they wish, are permitted to demolish all non-Muslim houses of worship in any land they conquer. 2) Zimmis are not allowed to pray or read their sacred books out loud at home or in churches, lest Muslims hear their prayers. 3) Zimmis are not allowed to print their religious books or sell them in public places and markets. They are allowed to publish and sell them among their own people, in their churches and temples. 4) Zimmis are not allowed to install the cross on their houses or churches since it is a symbol of infidelity. 5) Zimmis are not permitted to broadcast or display their ceremonial religious rituals on radio or television or to use the media or to publish any picture of their religious ceremonies in newspaper and magazines. 6) Zimmis are not allowed to congregate in the streets during their religious festivals; rather, each must quietly make his way to his church or temple. 7) Zimmis are not allowed to join the army unless there is indispensable need for them in which case they are not allowed to assume leadership positions but are considered mercenaries. allah is indeed merciful,ain't he? http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/rights.htm Islam is anything but tolerant. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by grafikdon: 1:23am On Oct 07, 2007 |
Chineke God of Saudi Arabia I d u n n o. . . I think the most tolerant Muslims are the ones in Yorubaland, Senegal and USA. I live amongst these people and they have not shown any iota of intolerance. . . apart from their reaction (disgust) when they found out I eat pork (I can understand the pork resentment. . . no pork talk around them but as soon as I am on my own. . . its pork chow all the way). They never tied to initiate a divorce between me and my lovely pork. . .could be because I am not religious so we don't have much religious discussion apart from some Biblical and Quranic(sp?) references. I once thought maybe the ones in the USA are behaving because the LAW actually WORKS here, besides the fact that NYPD will shoot you 900 times in the gut the moment you attempt the ''Allah Arched Bar" massacre of 'Infidels', but I lost that train of thought because the tolerant Yoruba Muslims are also part of the 'Lawless Nigeria', the highly tolerant Senegalese Muslims are also part of that "Lawless Africa''. I still believe the whole intolerance bothers on ignorance, misconception, racism and ethnic antagonism. I am very positive some people read the Quran upside down while some people read it but give it some twisted interpretation to suit their twisted imagination. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 1:50am On Oct 07, 2007 |
laudate: Nwando's post above should lay this question to rest. Any further question we need to ask the Saudi's on how to "prevent conflict"? |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 2:59am On Oct 07, 2007 |
Whenever I say the word Muslims,I always exclude the Yoruba ones. They are a tolerant,educated bunch. Some even went to CMS and Methodist high schools and have mixed with Christians from time Imo River. The Yoruba muslims are not your typical ones in flowing robes. They live peaceably amongst their fellow Nigerians. The nothern Nigerian Muslims ought to learn a thing or 2 from them. They intermarry with Christians. It's not uncommon to see a household with Christian and Muslim siblings or Christian mom going to Chuch and her Muslim husband praying on the floor beside a plastic blue and white kettle no wonder the northern ones sacrifice them to allah when the time comes |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by denex: 5:32pm On Oct 07, 2007 |
You know, I seek information on 1. how many mosques there are at the Vatican. 2. If muslim and jews are allowed to read their holy books aloud in their homes or mosque within the Vatican. 3. Are muslims and jews allowed to print and sell their holy books in public places and markets of the Vatican or any other non-secret place within the Vatican? Are muslims and jews allowed to broadcast their religious programmes on Channels of the Vatican? Are muslims and jews allowed to join the armies and police of the Vatican? What of the other privileges not granted the Zimmis in Saudi Arabia, are they granted to Jews and Muslims by the Holy See? Please, God gave us two eyes. Let's stop using one eye to look at things. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 6:11pm On Oct 07, 2007 |
@ Denex, the Vatican is not a country but a church!! Do the Vatican have a national football team, a ministry of mineral resources, a president, secretary of state, governors, state capital? Do they have elections and political parties? denex:Why would you want to build a mosque in a church? Can i build a church on the doorsteps of the al aqsa mosque? But Europe's largest mosque is in Rome, a stones throw from the Vatican. Are we allowed to build the largest church in the middle east in Medina? denex:Again this is very dumb! Why would you want to live in a church? Are you working there? denex:Again how can a church have markets and public places? Is the vatican a country? denex:Now you're getting even more stupid, why would muslims want to broadcast their programs on church channels? Do muslims allow pastors on their private religious channels? And what is this clever backdoor attempt to rope in the Jews with the muslims? The very people you have sworn to destroy you attempt to piggy back on them to earn some sympathy? denex:Your silliness just reached an all time low. Remind me when did the Vatican develop an army? Would you expect churches to employ muslims as ushers? Are there christian guards at Mecca? denex:The mere fact that you actively support the indirect slavery of fellow humans on the basis of religion is sickening. Yasser Arafat has been to see the pope and so has Tariq Aziz, former vice president of Iraq. Is the pope allowed to visit Mecca? denex: Please, God gave us one brain. Let's stop using our asses to think. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by denex: 6:44pm On Oct 07, 2007 |
The Vatican (Status Civitatus Vaticanae) Anthem: Inno en Marcia Pontificale. Capital: Vatican City Government: Absolute Elective Monarchy Head of Government: Benedict XVI Governor: Giovanni Lajolo Legislative: Pontifical Commission for The Vatican City State Judiciary: the Apostolic Signatura, the Sacra Rota Romana and the Apostolic Penitentiary. Independence: (from Italy) 1929 Area: 0.44km square Population: 783 Currency: Euro (earlier the Vatican Lira) Calling code: +395 Army: Swiss Guards and the Corpo della Gendarmeria dello Stato della Citta del Vaticano. The Vatican city has the smallest and oldest army in the world. Recruitment is restricted to Catholic males. davidylan, I second that your statement you made to your gang. You guys should stop thinking with your arses or as you prefer, asses. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by WesleyanA(f): 6:50pm On Oct 07, 2007 |
yeah but you also have to keep in mind that that's what the West think when they hear news stories about violence in Africa (darfur, fights over oil etc). "Those unmannered primitive savages of Africa."
yeah that's because yoruba muslims have more in common (in terms of cultural attitude (you mentioned "flowing robes" as an example) / political stances) with their christian counterparts and even to an extent their igbo counterparts. unlike the northerners that differ from us in soooo many ways apart from religion. from my opinion, difference will almost likely create conflict. i don't think it's a matter of which culture/ religion is better than which. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by denex: 7:03pm On Oct 07, 2007 |
This is why I keep repeating that this whole thing is all a tribal war whose flames are fanned by religion. It may interest you to know that after the Fulanis conquered the Hausas, they went further to attack the Kanuris (Borno Empire) which had a much older and more solid history of Islam than Sokoto itself. It took years of fighting, several raids and counter-raids, and several truces signed before the Caliphate realise its Jihad to Borno (another muslim empire) would not be successful. I have said it before that so far as the true problem of Fulani insecurity and tribalism is not properly identified, the problem cannot be solved. Even the Hausa are being religiously brainwashed and used in these profitless wars. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by WesleyanA(f): 7:04pm On Oct 07, 2007 |
denex: i agree. although i prefer the term "ethnic clash" same difference i guess, no problem. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 7:09pm On Oct 07, 2007 |
denex: And what does the abve prove? I could easily write the same for Winners chapel/Canaan land. Infact they have their own primary, secondary and tertiary schools which the Vatican does not have. Inno en Marcia Pontificale - Is a catholic hymn. The vatican is an independent religious enclave for the catholic church. Would Canaan land suddenly become a separate country if it were granted "independence" by the Nigerian state? you mention the Euro as its currency - well idiot, that is the currency of the EU where the Vatican falls. you mention the "vatican city" as its capital - thou fool, the vatican = vatican city. Care to mention another city within the vatican? Ok the vatican has a different calling code, so does Lagos have a different calling code from that of Abeokuta. Are they separate nations? You mention the Vatican "army" and then include the Swiss guards forgetting that Switzerland remains the only nation on earth that does not have a conventional army. The Corpo della Gendarmeria is not an army but something akin to a police force for maintaining law and order. They do not have a navy or airforce. Did you know that "citizenship" of the vatican city is confered ONLY to some of those who have been appointed to work in certain capacities at the Vatican, and it is usually revoked upon the termination of their employment. During the period of employment citizenship may also be extended to a Vatican citizen's spouse (unless the marriage is annulled or dissolved, or if a conjugal separation is decreed) and children (until, if they are capable of working, they turn 25, or in the case of daughters, if they marry). Surely if this was a nation state as you want us to believe citizenship should be permanent eh? Ok lets look at the "citizens" of this your vatican state you desperately want to compare to Saudi Arabia: The Pope; 58 cardinals; 293 members of the clergy who serve as diplomatic envoys abroad; 62 lesser-ranking clergy members who work in the Vatican; 101 officers, NCOs, and men of the Papal Swiss Guard; - Denex's idea of the vatican "army" 43 lay persons. Remind me again if citizenship of saudi arabia is revoked as soon as you finish your terms of employment there. @ Denex, learn to use that addled brain of urs properly. Dont just run around copying and pasting, read and digest before exposing your folly. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 7:13pm On Oct 07, 2007 |
denex: and do we presume tribal wars by fulanis is also the problem in Niger, Chad, Mali, Sudan, Gaza, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan? |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by WesleyanA(f): 7:14pm On Oct 07, 2007 |
little tad of info: the catholic church/ Vatican city was in collaboration with the Nazi regime in eliminating jews throughout Europe. this is just an obvious reminder to show that no religion is without its own problem. davidylan: the fulani scenario denex used was just an example of the many tribal conflits that exist throughout the world among different peoples. don't twist his post. he never said tribal war was invented by the fulanis which is what you're inferring. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by WesleyanA(f): 7:25pm On Oct 07, 2007 |
I still believe the whole intolerance bothers on ignorance, misconception, racism and ethnic antagonism. I am very positive some people read the Quran upside down while some people read it but give it some twisted interpretation to suit their twisted imagination. I totally agree with you Grafikdon. same applies to pretty much every religion including christianity where people can read the bible and interpret it to suit their imagination or wishes/ beliefs. i have muslim friends from senegal too. it's so surprising how attitude of people with same religion changes with geographic location. but then these locations have different cultures and therefore, the way they practice their religion will reflect that. |
Re: Northern Nigerian Killer Muslims At Work Again by Nobody: 7:27pm On Oct 07, 2007 |
You know i just love it when uninformed children start assuming airs way beyond their station. WesleyanA: No one is denying that obvious fact. We dont deny the fact that the catholic church was once involved in the systematic torture and killing of christians and jews. Just a tad of info: the palestinian arabs were actively involved with the Nazi regime in attempting to eliminate the Jews. One thing that cuts across from your ill-timed contribution is that this topic is not about whether christians have been innocent but RATHER about countering the usual islamic attempt to put down the constant religious crisis in the north down to "tribal conflict" rather than the religious problems they really are. WesleyanA: I'm not that dumb, that question was asked as a rhetorical question. Fulanis do not live in palestine or Iraq so they cant have invented religious violence. The essence of my question was to debunk the false claim that the problem is peculiar to Nigeria and is only a result of tribal conflict. If this was merely tribal why then do we have the same issues in predominantly muslim nations with different races of people but the same religion? I'd advice you keep your "smart" remarks to urself. It will do you no good neither will i hesitate to put you in your place. |
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