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| The Unforgivable Sin by Nobody: 7:17am On Oct 02, 2007 |
The Holy Bible, New International Version 31 :And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. Matthew 12:31-32, so watchout for this sins |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by okevic: 11:49am On Oct 04, 2007 |
how does one knows that he or she has sins agains the holy spirit? pls someone should help me. |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by GL(f): 6:52pm On Oct 05, 2007 |
i read somewhere that when you still care about it, and still think about whether or not you have committed the unforgivable sin then you haven't. |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by Kashif(m): 1:59pm On Oct 10, 2007 |
GL: There can be no better answer! Take it or leave it.  |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by ifyalways(f): 6:25pm On Oct 10, 2007 |
Once there is genuine repentance, forgiveness is sure. |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by crazyT(m): 10:57pm On Oct 10, 2007 |
This question has disturb me for so long “sin against Holy spirit” I hope laughing at those people jumping and shouting that they are possessed by the holy spirit are not considered as sin against holy spirit? |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by Hardballer(m): 11:43pm On Jan 10, 2010 |
crazyT: that makes us both  |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by princekevo(m): 7:44am On Jan 11, 2010 |
ifyalways:Exactly |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by Ascony(m): 10:23am On Jan 11, 2010 |
so what action exactly is considered this sin against holy spirit?. Does the holy spirit have its own separate laws ? |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by Tonyet1(m): 10:31am On Jan 11, 2010 |
ifyalways: Brother i beg to disagree with you on this, I believe some sins are unforgiveable as was the case of Moses with the Spirit of God Moses' case against the Holy Spirit: Ps 106: 32 By the waters of Meribah they angered the LORD,and trouble came to Moses because of them; 33 for they rebelled against the Spirit of God(Holy Spirit),and rash words came from Moses' lips.NIV Moses' offense: Num.20:12-13 - But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them.", 13. This were the waters of Meribah Moses' plead: Deut 3:23 At that time I pleaded with the LORD. . . Let me go over and see the good land beyond the Jordan — that fine hill country and Lebanon." The unforgiven Sin: 26 But because of you the LORD was angry with me  and would not listen to me. "That is enough," the LORD said. "Do not speak to me anymore about this matter. I just thought if this might also help Hebrews 10:26-29: “For we — sinning wilfully [against the Holy spirit] without compulsion [conscience] after receiving the full knowledge of the truth [given by God's spirit], there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by Knight1(m): 11:15am On Jan 11, 2010 |
Who says Moses wasn't forgiven? I believe Moses is in heaven and he couldn't have got there with his sins uunforgiven. Lets not confuse punishment and unforgiveness, i can forgive you but still go ahead and exert punishment and it doesn't mean in the slightest way that i have not forgiven you totally. |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by Tonyet1(m): 11:45am On Jan 11, 2010 |
And who is rather getting confused? The question is that : could there be any sin as unforgiveable and the answer is yes, anything about heaven or hell is another topic altogether.  |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by princekevo(m): 1:59pm On Jan 11, 2010 |
Knight1:You got it rightly. The question is that : could there be any sin as unforgiveable and the answer is yes, anything about heaven or hell is another topic altogether.Please sir, how how can you make it to heaven when you have a sin as unforgiveable? Even the bible passage you quoted in you last post made it clear. Hebrews 10:26-29: “For we — sinning wilfully [against the Holy spirit] without compulsion [conscience] after receiving the full knowledge of the truth [given by God's spirit], there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. That you lost you conscience(without repentance) does not mean your sin is unforgivng. You were jst giving over to a repobrat mind that does not make your sin unforgiveable if repented. Jesus made this comment in Matt . 12, during the early days of his ministry when the last sacrifies was never made. When he made the last sacrifies on the cross, he said "it is finished". He did not tell us after his resurrection that there are some sins his blood not could wash. When he said It is finished, he meant all Sins. That is why the bible said, even if your sins are as black as scarlet, they shall be made white as snow. |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by Tonyet1(m): 9:48am On Jan 12, 2010 |
princekevo: Prince, Let me start by saying that if we'll be judged by our sins on that day, then no one is guaranteed of making it to heaven. In my opinion i still believe that part of God's parameter for judgement is how we relate to one another, and how much we believe in the Son of Redemption and not the number of sins we committed nor the number of times we asked for forgiveness. For God's ways are not like ours. Have you ever thought of this? How did the notorious thief on the cross get his way thru' to heaven. Luke 23:43 - "And he said to Jesus, remember me when you goeth to your Kingdom" (Recall he never asked for any such thing as forgiveness neither did he pray the "SINNERS PRAYER"  .And vs.44, Jesus said "today you'll be with me in paradise" as simple as that.Its always the customs of humans to judge by what we see, while God searches the deep things of the heart and judges it. The Adultress was caught in the act, to the humans the best way to judge her was to stone her to death (afterall some will say that "the wages of Sin is death" , but to Christ, he did the otherwise (He said, i do not condemn you, go and sin no more, for it was if she had sinned willfully again that there would have remained no more sacrifice for sins which was the passage i quoted and you misunderstood).I think its only right to understand that not all sins we commit will result to eternal death, Read this 1 John 5:16-17 16 If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death. (NIV) I'll be more than willing to hear from you. Thanx |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by princekevo(m): 11:13am On Jan 12, 2010 |
Let me start by saying that if we'll be judged by our sins on that day, then no one is guaranteed of making it to heaven. In my opinion i still believe that part of God's parameter for judgement is how we relate to one another, and how much we believe in the Son of Redemption and not the number of sins we committed nor the number of times we asked for forgiveness. For God's ways are not like ours. Well that is in your own opinion. But according to the gospel, the bible said all soul that sinneth shall die. Actually it seems you have no clear understanding of the meaning of Sin. You contracdicting yourself when you say we are not judge by our sin, but by how we relate to one another and how much we believe in the son od redemption. Ok let me break it down for you. What is Sin? Going against God's commandment. What are his commandment? (Mark 12:31) And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Jesus saw this as the greatest commandment, and if you look at the 10commandment God gave to the children of Isreal you will see that 8 out the the ten was to create a good relationship among men. Anything against that is a sin. So you can not say God will not judge us by our sins, but by the way we relate to one another. How can you say you please God and have no sin when your relationship with men is contrary to his comandment? Is impossible. Also there is no how you can say you believe in his Sons redemption when you are living in Sin, is impossicant my brother. |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by KunleOshob(m): 12:53pm On Jan 12, 2010 |
Another example of unforgivable sin is blasphemy aganst the holy spirit and twisting the word of God. This unfortunately is very common in our churches today were they have instutionalized twisted scripture as doctrine in the name of tithing. Pastors also flipantly use the name of the holy spirit to manipulate the flock. No wonder the bible says that Judgement would start in the church and preachers would be judged with a stricter measure.  James 3 : 1 1 Dear brothers and sisters, not many of you should become teachers in the church, for we who teach will be judged more strictly. |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by Nobody: 5:01pm On Jan 12, 2010 |
meaning the spirit(erandboy) is even greater than the ALMIGHTYGOD,for it to be unforgiving,imagine this crap? |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by Tonyet1(m): 12:00pm On Jan 13, 2010 |
princekevo: Prince, why is this too hard to understand. The bible does not contradict itself. In one portion of the bible it says: * The soul that sins shall die (Ezk.18:4), which is the same as The wages of sin is death (Rom.6:23)[/color] [color=#000099]Yet in 1John.5:17 it tells us that: * All wrongdoing is a sin, but there is a sin that does not lead to death (1Joh.5:17) Put them together and you'll get this * All wrongdoing is a sin, However not all the sins will lead one to death, but anyone who sins a sin that is deserving of death will die* simple! |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by aletheia(m): 1:39pm On Jan 13, 2010 |
Tonye-t:Your interpretation of the scripture is faulty. If I may ask Tonye-t: what specific [/b]sin can I commit that will not lead to death? 1. Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; 2. 1 Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. Is this an apparent contradiction? I believe not. We should look to the scriptures to reconcile this seemingly different positions rather than speculate. Look at 1 Jn 5:18, the verse that follows; We know that whosoever is born of God [b]sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. It's always a dangerous thing to treat verses in isolation and not in context. Let's look at some other verses: 3. Jas 1:14-15 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. So you see all sin leads to death unless one repents and forsakes it. My opinion is that the sin that leads to death is the one that has not been repented of and forsaken. The key scripture for me: Heb 10:26-29 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? Do you see that verse 26 begins with the words "For if we sin willfully. . ." Also consider: Heb 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. And lastly 2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by Tonyet1(m): 2:56pm On Jan 13, 2010 |
aletheia: The way at which we rush in responding to post here really gets me scared atimes and wonder if its really worth responding to threads at all. The question you asked has already been answered by even the OP. If you stand up here to say all sins can be forgiven then it means you barely even read the OP not to talk about the Bible itself. Jesus said in Matt.12:31 -"And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. By reason of the scriptures I still stand to say that not ALL SINS CAN BE FORGIVEN. whether forgiveness is sought after or not. Moses publicly denied the power of the SPIRIT OF GOD in the Rivers of Meribah before the nation of Israel and right there God told Moses of the punishment he would receive for his sinful act. The same bible said Moses sought for forgiveness and God rebuked him not ask any more for forgiveness. Eventually He payed the price for his sinful act because He sinned not against the Father but against the SPIRIT OF GOD as scriptures said it in Ps.106:33.(Num.20:12-13, Deut.3:23, 26) That aside, we must also realize that there are still other sins that can and will be forgiven and of such, the Teacher John made it clear when he said in 1 John 5:16 16 If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. _____________________________________________________________________________ 1John.5:16 For There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. NIV So Aletheia do you mean to tell me this sin can be prayed for? |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by princekevo(m): 4:15pm On Jan 13, 2010 |
Prince, why is this too hard to understand. The bible does not contradict itself.Quote me rightly pls, i did not say the bible contradicts itself, i said you contradict yourself. The bible is very clear to those who for it's understand, by the help of the holy spirit. Put them together and you'll get this My brother what do you think the death bible said in (Rom. 6: 23) means? Was it a physical death, spritual or eternal death? The bible is talking abt the eternal damnation that is meant as reward of every sinner. The bible said Every [b]soul that sinneth shall. Bible did not say every man that sinneth shall die. Naturally every man shall die, be you righteouse or sinner, but the bible is concerned abt your soul. Shall your soul be found in heaven or in hell for ever lasting death. Bear it in mind that since the death of Jesus christ, no man has ever died physically jst becoz he comitted any sort of sin. What the bible meant in (1 john 5:17) "All wrong doing is a sin, but there is a sin that does not lead to death", is the death of your soul and not physical death. Infact this passage of the bible exposed us to the 2 kinds of sins the bible mentionend abt, which are sin of omission( tresspasses) and sin of commission. When you committ a sin(sin of commission) your soul dies. What does the death here means, your soul is being excomminacated from God, the relationship between you and God has been terminated. If God do hear you prayer b4, during this period your prayers are unswered. If God do speak to you b4 you can no longer hear from him. Becoz what? Your soul is dead and that can also be call spiritual death. In this case your soul can only be restored back to life with a geniune repentance and forgiveness. If unrepented will face the eternal death, which is the wages of every sin. Back to the main question, if you said there is a kind of sin that is unforgiving by God, you are directly or indirectly telling us that there is a kinda sin the blood of Jesus cannot cleanse. So my brother be careful what you say. |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by Tonyet1(m): 5:06pm On Jan 13, 2010 |
princekevo: Yes, but for every sinner who commits a sin that can be forgiven but does not ask for forgiveness will receive damnation of the soul. do you understand? Stop the grammatic gimmicks of of man and soul, dont confuse yourself. Man is a soul that has the breath of God and dwells in a physical body. So they mean the same thing in the context of sin and spirituality. Prince, this is my take on this, it is clearly stated that "every wrongdoing is a Sin" which means if i lie its a sin, if i have a little piece of hatred for my fellow man, it is a sin! and many more. Hence the soul that sinneth a forgiveable sin in Ezk.18:4 and would not ask for forgiveness as in 1John.1:9 would not be rendered help on the day of reckoning, since there remaineth no more sacrifice for Sins again in Heb.10:26. Simple! i wonder wat the big deal here is. The onus is that all this sins are committed and seen as mere lust after the flesh, eyes and pride. Thus can be forgiven by God if we truly ask him for forgiveness.except the sin (blasphemy) against the Holy Spirit But in 1John5, the Apostle said, 1John.5:16 For There is [size=15pt]A SIN [/size] that leads to death. [size=15pt]I am not saying that he should pray about that.[/size] thanx |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by princekevo(m): 8:07pm On Jan 13, 2010 |
Stop the grammatic gimmicks of of man and soul, dont confuse yourself. Man is a soul that has the breath of God and dwells in a physical body. So they mean the same thing in the context of sin and spirituality.Actually this tells me your level of bible understanding. Man and soul are 2 different things, soul is just one components that makes a man. Man can die temporarily, but your soul live forever, to face the judgement. What makes a man is the body and soul. Without the body their is no being(Man). So if the body is rotten away as the bible said, can you still call him a man? Ofcoz a soul. Why do you think the bible always used the context winning a soul, and not winning a man? Becoz man is made up of body and soul, and the body will rot away sooner or later. Is a simple logic, all men have souls, but not all souls are men. Those in the grave are no longer (beings)men, but souls, coz that is the only thing that is alive in them. There is no complication abt this. The onus is that all this sins are committed and seen as mere lust after the flesh, eyes and pride. Thus can be forgiven by God if we truly ask him for forgiveness.except the sin (blasphemy) against the Holy SpiritSir, i will ask you 2 simple questions and the answers end this arguement. 1. What is blasphemy against the holy spirit? 2. If this blasphemy against the holy spirit is a Sin, does it mean that the blood of jesus christ cannot wash it out? S/NO answer pls. |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by Tonyet1(m): 2:50pm On Jan 14, 2010 |
@PrinceKevo, Q.1: princekevo: Answer: Jesus speaks in Matthew about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. He says, "All manner of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven man, except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit." Now this blasphemy against the Holy Spirit does not mean you lose your temper, shake your fist at God, and call Him names. That is certainly a sin, an outrageous sin, and it is decidedly blasphemy. Even Jewish leaders accused Jesus of blasphemy by claiming that He was God, and of course, they would have been right to do so if Jesus is not actually God. He claimed to have the prerogatives of God--to forgive sin. As we know, Jesus is God. However, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a perpetual, constant resisting of the drawing love of God's Spirit, so that you lose the capacity to hear the Holy Spirit. This blasphemy is also called "grieving away." Paul refers to "Grieve not the Holy Spirit, wherewith you are sealed." We can grieve away the Spirit. Eventually, a person loses the capacity to repent, and therefore cannot be saved. They cannot be forgiven, because they cannot repent[color=#990000][/color] |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by Tonyet1(m): 2:57pm On Jan 14, 2010 |
princekevo: Answer 2: First you must understand that the fulness of the Godhead are but One manifesting in three distinct offices. The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit cannot shed his blood for anyone, why? because He did not manifest in the flesh, the Son did. Thus making the Son the ONLY OWNER AND CUSTODIAN of the cleansing blood. Now Jesus himself said it categorically that, Hey Mr.PrinceKevo, if you sin against my Father, He will forgive you, If you Sin against Me, i'll forgive you. But the Holy Spirit has not come to witness of Himself but Me, therefore you must not grieve Him for doing so will make Him not forgive you. Ask me How? And i'll say because HE DID NOT TELL US WHY HE WOULD NOT FORGIVE. simple! |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by princekevo(m): 8:00pm On Jan 14, 2010 |
Now Jesus himself said it categorically that, Hey Mr.PrinceKevo, if you sin against my Father, He will forgive you, If you Sin against Me, i'll forgive you. But the Holy Spirit has not come to witness of Himself but Me, therefore you must not grieve Him for doing so will make Him not forgive you. Ask me How? And i'll say because HE DID NOT TELL US WHY HE WOULD NOT FORGIVE. simple! I asked you one simple question, which you have failed to answer. It is time we stop interpreting bible literally, but with spiritual understanding. Am not argueing that jesus did not make this comment. But ask yourself, at what point in time did he make this comment? He made the comment when no human sacrifies was mad yet. When he made this comment, the only way sins were forgiving was through sacrifieces of doves, animal and other materials things. He made this comment at the time that when you offend God, going against his commanded(Sin), you need to sacrifices for you sin to be forgiven by God. Ok let me explain to you why he made this comment at that particular time, You can sin against God and be forgiving by sacrificing for your sins(by law). You can sin against the Son of God, Jesus christ who was with them and had the power to forgive sins, just like he forgave the adultrous woman and the theif on the cross. The sin against holy spirit is unforgiving becoz they were no place mentioned in the laws of moses how you can appeased your sin against the holy spirit and be forgiving. That was why many of the Isrealites died in the wilderness becoz of sin. All these while they were not aware of the sins against the holy spirit. They believed that every sin was against God, until the issue of trinity was made manifest during the baptism of jesus christ. Why am i going back to these? To give you the understading of the believe then and why he made the comment. To complete his work here on earth, as agreed by the host of heavens which the holy spirit was among he died on the cross and told you and i. "It is finished", I never heard him say your sins against me and my father is finshed. That is why i asked you this simple Question. Do you mean that his blood on the cross of Calvary, shed for all the sins of mankind cannot wash away this sins against holyspirit. Pls this is jst a yes or no answer and if you indeed answer this question sincerely that is the end of this arguement. |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by morpheus24: 8:04pm On Jan 14, 2010 |
I[b] THOUGHT THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN WAS [/b] "AVERA KEDAVRA" or was that the unforgivable curse? I am confused!! |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by princekevo(m): 6:18am On Jan 15, 2010 |
morpheus24:What is AVERA KEDAVRA, abegi? |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by queenesthr(f): 9:52am On Jan 15, 2010 |
The sin against the holy spirit is doubting the existence of God. |
| Re: The Unforgivable Sin by morpheus24: 2:33pm On Jan 15, 2010 |
princekevo: I guess you are not a fan of harry potter movies huh? |
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