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Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by EPOMA(m): 9:04pm On Jan 04, 2012
ujchief:

seems the government representative, prof onyebuchi chukwu, the minister of health has gone awol, leaving his oponent to argue with the moderator, lol
Charity starts at home, this is how Jonathan escape the debate before election and people could not see that
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by Nobody: 9:10pm On Jan 04, 2012
Prof. Chukwu is a very decent man and a core professional. He was certainly wise enough to know that he didn't need to involve himself in a matter that does not concern him. He might only become involved when the General hospitals start treating casualties from the subsidy protests nationwide.
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by Bokkohharam: 9:20pm On Jan 04, 2012
Minister of health dat is schedule to represent the government refuse to show up for the faceoff just because he has nothing to say. Thank God he did nt come cos i am sure guys will be waiting 4 him after the debate. The guy is a liar.
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by eros(m): 9:29pm On Jan 04, 2012
musKeeto:

1. Ngozi Otondo Imela says the reports of her threat to resign are untrue, According to her twitter account.
2. Debate for what? That's like using the toilet after washing your hands.
3. GEJ/Reno Omokri/Beaf don forget their facebook account password. No post there even as curses don dey reach 10000 milestone.
4. Nigerians all have a dream of a big Nigeria. Just that too many of them want to see it cheesy (Nobody wan die).
5. After 2 days of protests, GEJ for don chop 6 million naira worth of food for presidential villa. May CANCER of the tongue and heart catch PATIENCE, for every periwinkle wey dey her soup.
6. GOD BLESS ALL NIGERIANS, THE ONES WEY DEY FEAR, THE ONES WEY DEY FOLLOW PROTEST, AND THE FOOLISH SOUTHERNERS WHO HAVE MADE UP THEIR MIND TO REMAIN SLAVES TO PDP'S GANGSTERISM AND HOODS.

Don't blame PH et al when they don't join the protests. PDP hand for those areas strong. Police go kill you talk say na militant.


I say a big Amen at the bolded. grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by talktrue1(m): 10:20pm On Jan 04, 2012
That guy has facts and he could have disgraced prof chukwu.
Imagine Labour Minister saying that nigerians dont know why they are on the streets protesting. are we children?
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by Tushed: 10:45pm On Jan 04, 2012
the minister was still on his way five minutes to 9 pm,
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Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by Nobody: 11:04pm On Jan 04, 2012
Tushed:

the minister was still on his way five minutes to 9 pm,
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Lol. He is still on his way even as we speak. He will get there after the studio closes for the day.
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by stagger: 11:32pm On Jan 04, 2012
When you have Professors who are supposed to guard their status, now lying on behalf of government, it is a shame. What stopped him from simply saying that he could not make it?
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by Shinatu: 11:35pm On Jan 04, 2012
musKeeto:

1. Ngozi Otondo Imela says the reports of her threat to resign are untrue,  According to her twitter account.
2. Debate for what? That's like using the toilet after washing your hands.
3. GEJ/Reno Omokri/Beaf don forget their facebook account password. No post there even as curses don dey reach 10000 milestone.
4. Nigerians all have a dream of a big Nigeria. Just that too many of them want to see it cheesy (Nobody wan die).
5. After 2 days of protests, GEJ for don chop 6 million naira worth of food for presidential villa. May CANCER of the tongue and heart catch PATIENCE,  for every periwinkle wey dey her soup.
6. GOD BLESS ALL NIGERIANS, THE ONES WEY DEY FEAR, THE ONES WEY DEY FOLLOW PROTEST, AND THE FOOLISH SOUTHERNERS WHO HAVE MADE UP THEIR MIND TO REMAIN SLAVES TO PDP'S GANGSTERISM AND HOODS.

Don't blame PH et al when they don't join the protests. PDP hand for those areas strong. Police go kill you talk say na militant.



Doctors actually do that you know?
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by kokoA(m): 11:44pm On Jan 04, 2012
GEJ will teach that man a lesson for chickening out after spending tax payers money flying from Abuja to Lagos, only to hide in his hotel room (I wonder who he was with undecided) and lying to the presenter that he was on his way grin
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by r231(m): 1:10am On Jan 05, 2012
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by honeric01(m): 4:39am On Jan 05, 2012
grin grin grin grin grin grin grin, maybe the minister caught one of the curses!
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by samstels: 6:10am On Jan 05, 2012
But mr ubani could not answer a question that was thrown to him ;what has NLC and TUC done to the civil servants in Nnpc ,dpr etc who they say is corrupt and cook up. Books for the so called cabal on subsidy manipulation ? Also the NURTW members hiked up pices by over 400 percent even though there was just 100 pecent increament on PMS,na we dey kill ourselves no be govt.
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by klas(m): 8:11am On Jan 05, 2012
^^^ That was the question the minister should have asked ubani if he had not chickened out. He would at least have insisted on a good answer instead of the thrash about govt being the initiator of the spiral inflation.

But is NLC to blame for not curtailing civil servants' corruption in govt? What has the employer (govt in this case) done? What are the options opened to a civil servant that refuse to carry out instructions 'from the above'? Resign? Only a fool fights with his bread and butter.
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by moshoodn(m): 8:18am On Jan 05, 2012
We're so tired of debates men!
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by chelseabmw(m): 8:25am On Jan 05, 2012
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by sharubutu(m): 2:41pm On Jan 05, 2012
look guys, we are learned. don't let anybody deceive us thrgh any debate or explaination. subsidy removal is evil and satanic, and we must fight with all our might.
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by AmeLonRo(m): 3:09pm On Jan 05, 2012
Who and who's debating? GEJ against Ngozi or Sanusi against Sanusa? decided grin grin grin
Re: Live Debate On Fuel Subsidy Removal On Channels Tv At 8pm by Kenechy: 1:14am On Jan 06, 2012
*JONATHAN AND REMOVAL OF
FUEL SUBSIDY- NO GOOD CARE
FOR THE POOR MASSES.*
If I may say, our past
governments and Jonathan
have not shown much love to
the poor masses but a
camouflage, unlike in some
countries were the
government is trying to make
the rich and the poor alike. Some
years ago,
CNN correspondents went to
China to hear from the poor but
opinion of those
thought to be poor are not
because they said that
government cares for them.
According to Finance Minister,
Dr. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, the fuel
subsidy is
actually benefited by a wealthy
few. The actual amount for PMS
is about *N*139
and then the government pays
up *N*74 to let the price fall to
*N*65. The *N
*74 is the amount paid by the
government as subsidy. Now, if
the subsidy is
removed, will the wealthy few
still enjoy this money? Yes of
course. They
will still sell their products at
*N*139, but this time, the
masses will
pay the money. Even if the PMS
rise to *N*160 or down to
*N*110, the
wealthy few will still make the
money and have their way.
The government, in an attempt
to have a win on its decision to
remove the
fuel subsidy has gone as far as
spending a whopping sum on
those who are
seen as a threat to its decision.
But there are many others who
are ready
to give their lives than allow this
removal of fuel subsidy.
*DANGERS THAT CAN ERUPT FROM
THIS REMOVAL OF FUELL
SUBSIDY*
*1. Fixed Income Recipients like
Civil Servants and Others will be
Hurt.*
Because while the price inflation
increases, their income doesn’t
increase,
therefore their income will have
less value. Because the price of
fuel has
increased, invariably the cost of
transportation, the prices of
goods and
services will increase too. Then
who will suffer this? The civil
servants
and some others in private
sectors suffer it because their
salaries remain
the same. Unless the President,
Governors, Private Sector will
promise
increment in the salaries of civil
servants and other workers in
private
sector. But if that is done, there
may be risk of monetary
inflation (i.e.
when there is a rise in the
quantity of money in an
economy).
*2. Risk of Inflation.*
Inflation hurts economy,
individuals and companies alike.
The pin-point
here is basically the price
inflation(i.e. when there is a rise
in the
general level of prices of goods
and services). Because the price
of fuel
has increased the cost of
transportation, the prices of
goods and services
will increase too. If the cost of
transportations, prices of goods
and
services increase, my fellow
Nigerians who will suffer this, if
not the
poor masses. It is time to bridge
the gap between the rich and
the poor in
this our noble country.
*3. Fear of Embezzlement,
Dishonesty, Mismanagement,
and Instability in
Government.*
The poor masses cannot trust
the government any longer
because the past
governments have raped their
trust. The people see the
government and the
politicians as embezzlers and
empirically I think this is true.
How can we
trust you now my President if
you will not follow their
footsteps? You have
to prove otherwise to the poor
masses before they can trust
the government
and politicians again. You might
be honest but what about other
government
officials, politicians who will
manage the proceeds from this?
*4. Eruption of Autocratic
Government*
The government is inviting the
spirit of Arab Springs with its
dogmatic
decision. In Nigeria, we practice
democracy, which was defined
by Abraham
Lincoln as the government of
the people, by the people and
for the people.
If the majority of the masses are
against this removal of fuel
subsidy why
should the government go on to
uphold it. Mr. President, the
masses employ
you to be there and work for
them. You are a ‘servant’ and
the masses are
the ‘employer’ as rightly pointed
out by late President Yar’adua.
We
elected you for our own
benefits. Do not alone decide for
us but we all
decide for ourselves for
common good. Our government
shouldn’t be
autocratic in policy but seek the
opinion of the masses in its
decision
making. This is clear evidence
that autocratic government is
cropping up in
Nigeria to rape our democratic
government. My fellow
Nigerians, let us say
no to this eruption.
*5. The Mind of the Initiators*
My president, what do you think
were in the mind of these noble
fuel
subsidy initiators? Don’t you
think it may be a way of helping
& showing
good care & love to the poor &
less privileged? Don’t you think
it’s a way
for the Nigerians to enjoy this
God’s gift of crude oil & other
natural
resources in our noble country,
which are not only to be
enjoyed by the
cartels & cabals. This is a country
where we have great
unemployment .A
person you went to school with
is been paid in millions because
he or she
has his or her way to the
government, while his or her
mates who are out
there unemployed even with
better results have nothing
doing. There is need
to revisit the past & know the
cause of things. The beginners
have
something in mind when
initiating this noble fuel subsidy.
Until we
transcend that stage, I don’t
think it is just to remove it now.
*6. Discouragement of the
Investors and Savings*
Many investors may be scared
to invest in Nigeria. Many
companies will have
to go out of business because
of the losses they may incur
during this
inflation and its effects. There
might be investors in area like
refinery
but what about other areas.
When many companies go out
of business,
unemployment will increase.
This is incomparable with
employment of the
prospective refineries by
investors. If it will work because
there are
insecurity, power failure, less
infrastructures etc. to welcome
and
accommodate these investors.
Saving money in the banks or
anywhere is
negatively effected and
discouraged because saving
money would mean
watching your cash decrease in
value day after day, so people
may tend to
spend the cash on something
else. The central bank and other
banks will
loss likewise.
*7. Our Value of Money in
Danger*
The increase in the price of fuel
brings increase in the prices of
goods
and services. This brings price
inflation thereby low value of
money is one
its negative effects.
*8. Currency Debasement and
Rising Prices of Imports*
When there is low value of
money and other negative
effects from this
inflation, it lowers the value of
our currency. If the currency is
debased,
then naira purchasing power in
the international market is
lower.
*POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES.*
Why subsidy removal? Because
the government is trying to
liberalized the
market fire. I believe a
reasonable government will try
work on the system
before putting the load on the
innocent masses that are
already drowning in
poverty as a result of bad
government. I think the possible
thing to do is
to build refinery in 6 geo-
political zones. Think about
repairing our
refineries and stopping
importation of fuels since we
have these natural
resources in our country. Then
the poor masses may not feel
the pains of
fuel subsidy removal. The most
of what Jonathan was
promising to do with
the extra oil revenue were
already accommodated in the
budget even without
subsidy.
The government should engage
themselves in cutting down the
salaries,
allowances and other running
expenses of the top
government officials
especially the lawmakers from
the federal to the local
government. Imagine
a lawmaker going home with
more than *N*255,000,000 and
*N*224,000,000
yearly. Then you can calculate
this for a tenure(4yrs) or two
tenures(8yrs)
and multiply it with their
numbers(i.e. 109 senators& 306
house of
representatives) and see our
country’s trillions of naira in the
cartel’s
pockets while the poor masses
continue to suffer. The
government has no
plan or future for the poor
masses. Governor of Central
Bank, Sanusi Lamido
had last year said that
lawmakers consume 25 percent
of Nigeria overhead
budget.
According to Olusegun Mimiko,
the Governor of Ondo State,
Nigeria spends
about *N*24.5 trillion yearly
which is about $160 billions in
importation
of food. We have land
resources, human resources but
the government does
not care to utilize these to help
the poor masses. They only
inflict pains
on the masses by trying to
remove fuel subsidy. The
president should ask
himself this question “what if
there is no crude oil in Nigeria?”
The
biggest problem of our country
is not subsidy but corruption. If
the
president can deal with this
corruption especially among
politicians,
cartels, cabals and individuals,
he will surely have a lot of fund
to move
this noble country to a greater
height.
There is insecurity in the
country. Does this not occur to
the president
that it is effects of
unemployment of these
promising youths in the
country? Blessed are those who
know the cause of things
because cause has
effects. Instead of our
lawmakers debating on the
causes of the present
situation in our country and see
solution to it. They sat and
discussed
about the same-sex marriage
(gay) issue which has nothing
to do with African
Culture. The lawmakers should
have known that this cannot
work in Nigeria
because African moral values
and culture has no place for it. It
is a
deadly virus from the Western
World. My President and the
lawmakers, please
there are other issues to discuss
that is brutally effecting the
nation
like insecurity, unemployment,
corruption, electricity etc.
Finally, there are many ways to
better our economy and the
lives of the
people. The money to set-up
infrastructures, companies,
refineries etc must
not come from the proceeds of
fuel subsidy but can come
through other
means. Yes the removal of fuel
subsidy has its positives effects
but I
think it is not yet time to
remove it my president. Think
about the fate of
the poor people of Nigeria, think
about us the unemployed
youths. Where do
we get the money to buy goods
and services especially fuel if
the subsidy
is removed. Thanks
*OKAFOR KENNETH*
*Kenitho27@gmail.com*
<Kenitho27@gmail.com>
*08063457763*
*20 ST MICHEAL STR. ABAGANA,
P.O. BOX 243 ABAGANA,
ANAMBRA STATE, NIGERIA*

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