efisher:

The way people have been screaming against removal of subsidy, you will think people will just fall and die instantly. Agreed prices will generally rise up but over time, they should stabilize at certain bearable rates.

The issue of rising prices in transportation is mostly one of greed on the part of transporters. Let's look closely at this: Before subsidy removal, an 18 seater bus may require N5000 fuel per trip from PH to Lagos carrying 18 passengers. Each passenger pays say N2000. Post subsidy, fuel cost is 217% more ie say: N10,850. Now, the increase is, N5,850. Spreas N5850 amongst 18 passengers and what you get per head is just about N325! So transport cost per head should be N2,325. Even if you want to factor in other things due to "general inflation", transport per head coud be say N2,500. But no! The transporters want to rip everyone off and demand the whole 217% increase per head giving N4,340
. WHY? We just want to take advantage of every situation and plunder ourselves.

In all, as time goes on when the euphoria of the new price fizzles out, things will stabilize. Meanwhile, I advise we focus our protests towards the real issues:

1. Swift passage of PIB
2. Reduction in size and cost of governance
3. Corruption
4. Resource control (Every region has huge resources that should be developed strategically and not plundered unreasonably)
Etc!

muyete:

Anothe Ignoramus! must you post?

efisher:

The way people have been screaming against removal of subsidy, you will think people will just fall and die instantly. Agreed prices will generally rise up but over time, they should stabilize at certain bearable rates.

The issue of rising prices in transportation is mostly one of greed on the part of transporters. Let's look closely at this: Before subsidy removal, an 18 seater bus may require N5000 fuel per trip from PH to Lagos carrying 18 passengers. Each passenger pays say N2000. Post subsidy, fuel cost is 217% more ie say: N10,850. Now, the increase is, N5,850. Spreas N5850 amongst 18 passengers and what you get per head is just about N325! So transport cost per head should be N2,325. Even if you want to factor in other things due to "general inflation", transport per head coud be say N2,500. But no! The transporters want to rip everyone off and demand the whole 217% increase per head giving N4,340
. WHY? We just want to take advantage of every situation and plunder ourselves.

In all, as time goes on when the euphoria of the new price fizzles out, things will stabilize. Meanwhile, I advise we focus our protests towards the real issues:

1. Swift passage of PIB
2. Reduction in size and cost of governance
3. Corruption
4. Resource control (Every region has huge resources that should be developed strategically and not plundered unreasonably)
Etc!

deor03:

Can you counter his post with your analysis, most of you guys don't even know what you're fighting for.


Brilliant

efisher:

The way people have been screaming against removal of subsidy, you will think people will just fall and die instantly. Agreed prices will generally rise up but over time, they should stabilize at certain bearable rates.

The issue of rising prices in transportation is mostly one of greed on the part of transporters. Let's look closely at this: Before subsidy removal, an 18 seater bus may require N5000 fuel per trip from PH to Lagos carrying 18 passengers. Each passenger pays say N2000. Post subsidy, fuel cost is 217% more ie say: N10,850. Now, the increase is, N5,850. Spreas N5850 amongst 18 passengers and what you get per head is just about N325! So transport cost per head should be N2,325. Even if you want to factor in other things due to "general inflation", transport per head coud be say N2,500. But no! The transporters want to rip everyone off and demand the whole 217% increase per head giving N4,340
. WHY? We just want to take advantage of every situation and plunder ourselves.

In all, as time goes on when the euphoria of the new price fizzles out, things will stabilize. Meanwhile, I advise we focus our protests towards the real issues:

1. Swift passage of PIB
2. Reduction in size and cost of governance
3. Corruption
4. Resource control (Every region has huge resources that should be developed strategically and not plundered unreasonably)
Etc!

Beaf:

I have always argued that any movement that is backed by sentiment rather than solid philosophy is bound to fail. The removal of the subsidy is painful no doubt, but every man and his dog is convinced that it is of immense benefit to the country.

A cursory look at any crowd of pro-subsidy demonstrators immediately throws up the fact that almost every one of the footmen is either middle class or lower middle class and the leaders are all members of the top echelon of the elite. The working classes are almost totally absent; no rewires, carpenters, labourers; its just richly dressed folk. Hmmm!
It is easy to conclude that, for obvious reasons of the abject lack of any backing philosophy to the protests, there is no spontaneous outburst of red rage from the working classes, the very people the "revolution" organisers claim to be fighting for. There is no philosophy that keys the working classes into the "revolution," sentiment can only go so far.
From observation, it is either the poor are willing to test the promises from Jonathan's govt and are refusing to be used, the we are observing solid proof that the subsidies benefit only the rich. It is a rich mans "revolution."

Rich men tend to be more exposed to corruption, therefore it is no surprise that the organisers have shied away from rallying against theft in govt, the astronomic wages of the NASS, the uselessness and frightful corruption of state governors and LG chairmen, the PIB etc; the sorts of issues that affect the food on the table and opportunities presented to the common man; the very things that will drag each and every one of us unto the streets. Instead, it is a protest of selfishness for some, political scheming for others and an opportunity for eye-popping bigotry from the rest.

I am deeply perplexed that there educated folk who have abandoned all guidance of critical thinking and engaged personal sentiment/greed in place of hard logic and ironclad principles. The result has been thin, contrived crowds that have failed to connect with hearts. A losing game and a lost opportunity to demonstrate for a better Nigeria.

Shame on them.

Beaf:

^
Do you think the states and LG's in those countries do fuckall, but receive beggars money?
Go and check those economies, the governors actually work and their LG's actually deliver. They are not a set of lazy runts addicted to freebies. You cannot manufacture absolute zero and expect a high minimum wage (except as an armed robber, thief or parasite).

Get your state and LG working so that we can have a higher minimum wage.

Beaf:

I have always argued that any movement that is backed by sentiment rather than solid philosophy is bound to fail. The removal of the subsidy is painful no doubt, but every man and his dog is convinced that it is of immense benefit to the country.

A cursory look at any crowd of pro-subsidy demonstrators immediately throws up the fact that almost every one of the footmen is either middle class or lower middle class and the leaders are all members of the top echelon of the elite. The working classes are almost totally absent; no rewires, carpenters, labourers; its just richly dressed folk. Hmmm!
It is easy to conclude that, for obvious reasons of the abject lack of any backing philosophy to the protests, there is no spontaneous outburst of red rage from the working classes, the very people the "revolution" organisers claim to be fighting for. There is no philosophy that keys the working classes into the "revolution," sentiment can only go so far.
From observation, it is either the poor are willing to test the promises from Jonathan's govt and are refusing to be used, the we are observing solid proof that the subsidies benefit only the rich. It is a rich mans "revolution."

Rich men tend to be more exposed to corruption, therefore it is no surprise that the organisers have shied away from rallying against theft in govt, the astronomic wages of the NASS, the uselessness and frightful corruption of state governors and LG chairmen, the PIB etc; the sorts of issues that affect the food on the table and opportunities presented to the common man; the very things that will drag each and every one of us unto the streets. Instead, it is a protest of selfishness for some, political scheming for others and an opportunity for eye-popping bigotry from the rest.

I am deeply perplexed that there educated folk who have abandoned all guidance of critical thinking and engaged personal sentiment/greed in place of hard logic and ironclad principles. The result has been thin, contrived crowds that have failed to connect with hearts. A losing game and a lost opportunity to demonstrate for a better Nigeria.

Shame on them.
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@ bold, so the 'huge' protest in Benin where the CNN reported  thousands turned out and that of Kano, Ibadan, Lagos have been thin?, is that the picture you guys are painting in GEJ in that dark room He is hiding?

I thought the government said the protest means nothing, why are they now sending their 'corrupt' elder states men to tell theirs kinsmen to end the protest? Why are they asking NLC to do away with the strike?

First in the other post on day one, you said the protesters were thouts, and 'criminals', here you are today claiming they are 'rich' people wearing good clothes! Dammm confused
Young sycophant, you're not working for your money oh!, You better spread more propaganda!

Beaf:

^
Do you think the states and LG's in those countries do fuckall, but receive beggars money?
Go and check those economies, the governors actually work and their LG's actually deliver. They are not a set of lazy runts addicted to freebies. You cannot manufacture absolute zero and expect a high minimum wage (except as an armed robber, thief or parasite).

Get your state and LG working (not begging), so that we can have a higher minimum wage.

Get out there and demonstrate for the right things, not to further personal greed, corruption, waste and commonsense defying policies of the past.

Beaf:

^
Do you think the states and LG's in those countries do fuckall, but receive beggars money?
Go and check those economies, the governors actually work and their LG's actually deliver. They are not a set of lazy runts addicted to freebies. You cannot manufacture absolute zero and expect a high minimum wage (except as an armed robber, thief or parasite).

Get your state and LG working so that we can have a higher minimum wage.

alj harem:

I prefectly understand your point. You are talking of diversity in the economy and reduce out over dependence of OIL. Yes I and others get it and It makes perfect sense. Also your second line of argument is that the removal of subsidy would kill the cabal in one stroke. Yes we perfectly understand the importance of it and thank God GEJ though of it as well.

Now protester understand this issue and understand the importance of the removal and how it would "boost out economy" according to Sanusi.

Here are our questions.

1. How can we diversify if there are no infrastructure in place like the chemical plant in port harcourt used when agricultural subsidy was removed.

2. Would there be subsidy if the FG/NNPC has a refinery ? I mean we would be refining what we produce and thus the cabals would have died a long time ago. And would it not make more sense to build the refinery now before it is too late.

3. Why is NNPC and government giving false figures to Nigerians ?

4. To stop benefit smugglers of fuel, do you think the best thing to do is to either  a) close the borders   or   b) remove subsidy ?

5. Why are the cabals not arrested since the FG branded them as thieves or "benefit thieves" ?

6. After this deregulation and since there are no reservoir our NNPC could store petrol in, would there not still be benefit thieves ? I mean according to Madueke she said 3 naira per liter is the money they use for storing petrol with other private companies. Now to me that is still stealing or is it not ?

7. Why can't the FG show us the tangible infrastructure or development so as to gain the trust of the people before the removal ? I mean I love GEJ for his calm nature but I think you just don't push people to the limit without them reacting.

Once again thanks for Your calm reply and I really hope that GEJ presidency would be a stepping stone to greatness in our beloved country.

Omo_Tier1:

The truth is, GEJ and his 'thieving' cabinet have been confronted with these and several other valid questions and they have failed completely to provide any response. Rather like biblical 'pigs' they are hell bent on driving Nigerians into the sea of despair, poverty and untimely death!

Beaf:

Rich men tend to be more exposed to corruption, therefore it is no surprise that the organisers have shied away from rallying against theft in govt, the astronomic wages of the NASS, the uselessness and frightful corruption of state governors and LG chairmen, the PIB etc; the sorts of issues that affect the food on the table and opportunities presented to the common man; the very things that will drag each and every one of us unto the streets. Instead, it is a protest of selfishness for some, political scheming for others and an opportunity for eye-popping bigotry from the rest.

debosky:

This is the same logic of thieves that we've heard numerous times - it just shows you are a bare faced thief and nothing else.

The same idiotic and mor0nic logic that says you must protest EVERYTHING before one protest can be genuine is the same that says unless you prosecute all thieves you cannot prosecute a single criminal - this is the thieving logic that has been proposed before.

That there are OTHER terrible policies that need to be protested against can NEVER take anything from the validity of the current protest. No phool like you can tell people what to prioritise - it is their prerogative to protest as they deem fit.

Again you need to stop assuming that everyone suffers from the same dementia and mental backwardness that you do.

Omo_Tier1:

The truth is, GEJ and his 'thieving' cabinet have been confronted with these and several other valid questions and they have failed completely to provide any response. Rather like biblical 'pigs' they are hell bent on driving Nigerians into the sea of despair, poverty and untimely death!