Limited Atonement

                                                                 For Whom Did Christ Die?




Like the doctrine of predestination, the doctrine of limited atonement is highly controversial. It seeks to answer the question, “For whom did Christ die?” The Bible teaches that Jesus died on the cross in order to make an atonement for the sins of people. That is, to make-up or pay the price for transgressions against God.

We know from the Scriptures that not all people go to heaven. Many go and will go to hell. And they do so because their sins were not atoned for. Therefore, all Christians believe in a limited atonement. Otherwise, he or she would be a Universalist (believing that all go to heaven).

Since only those who repent and believe will be saved, the real question is this: To whom and by whom is the atonement limited? One view says that humans limit the atonement. They argue that Jesus died on the cross to make the payment of sins possible. And by doing so, they limit the effect of the atonement. They argue that Jesus died for the whole world – meaning all people. But not all people have faith in His work. So people limit the power of His atonement.

Another view says that God limits the atonement. They argue that Jesus died on the cross to actually save those whom He predestined to save. And by doing so, they limit the extent of the atonement. They argue that Jesus died for those whom He elected – meaning some people. So God limits the reach of His atonement.

So the response is either of the two. God limited the extent of the atonement to those whom He predestined or man limited the effect of the atonement to those who are special enough to believe.

So the response is either of the two views. If man limited the atonement, than the effect and power of the work of Jesus is limited but the extent and reach is for all. Thus, those who are special enough to repent and believe do so. God shares the glory of salvation with man.

If God limited the atonement, than the effect and power of the work of Jesus was actual and certain but the extent and reach of such work was limited to some. Thus, those who repent and believe do so because of God’s work. God deserves the glory.

Historically, this doctrine has been referred to a Calvinistic belief, but as mentioned, all Christians must identify a limitation in some sense. To say otherwise is heretical for God is not saving all people.


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lets chat about this tomorrow

frosbel:

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lets chat about this tomorrow

Alright, I'll be delighted to.

Like the doctrine of predestination, the doctrine of limited atonement is highly controversial. It seeks to answer the question, “For whom did Christ die?” The Bible teaches that Jesus died on the cross in order to make an atonement for the sins of people. That is, to make-up or pay the price for transgressions against God.

There is no such thing as limited atonement, Jesus Christ made a full atonement for our sins.

We know from the Scriptures that not all people go to heaven. Many go and will go to hell. And they do so[b] because their sins were not atoned for. Therefore, all Christians believe in a limited atonement[/b]. Otherwise, he or she would be a Universalist (believing that all go to heaven).

Wrong !!

Jesus Christ died for the entire human race.

He tasted death for every man.

It is for us to choose or reject this atonement.

Since only those who repent and believe will be saved, the real question is this: To whom and by whom is the atonement limited? One view says that humans limit the atonement. They argue that Jesus died on the cross to make the payment of sins possible. And by doing so, they limit the effect of the atonement. They argue that Jesus died for the whole world – meaning all people. But not all people have faith in His work. So people limit the power of His atonement.

People do not limit the atonement , they either accept it or reject it.

The Gospel is simple, let not intellectual theology becloud it's wonderful truths.

Another view says that God limits the atonement. They argue that Jesus died on the cross to actually save those whom He predestined to save. And by doing so, they limit the extent of the atonement. They argue that Jesus died for those whom He elected – meaning some people. So God limits the reach of His atonement.

To reiterate , Jesus died for [U]ALL[/U] people.

So the response is either of the two. God limited the extent of the atonement to those whom He predestined or man limited the effect of the atonement to those who are special enough to believe

Both wrong.

No limitation either way, a simple matter of choice

So the response is either of the two views. If man limited the atonement, than the effect and power of the work of Jesus is limited but the extent and reach is for all. Thus, those who are special enough to repent and believe do so. God shares the glory of salvation with man.

If God limited the atonement, than the effect and power of the work of Jesus was actual and certain but the extent and reach of such work was limited to some. Thus, those who repent and believe do so because of God’s work. God deserves the glory.

God did not limit the atonement.

Indeed God does draw men to Him but only those who are humble enough to admit their need for a saviour and thus salvation from their sins.

Remember that verse " God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble ".

And yes those who do repent do so , because of God's mercy.

Historically, this doctrine has been referred to a Calvinistic belief, but as mentioned, all Christians must identify a limitation in some sense. To say otherwise is heretical for God is not saving all people

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There is no limitation but the power of choice to accept the full atonement or reject it

frosbel:

There is no such thing as limited atonement, Jesus Christ made a full atonement for our sins.

There is necessarily a limit on the atonement, since not[b] all [/b] men are saved.

Wrong !!

Jesus Christ died for the entire human race.

He tasted death for every man.

It is for us to choose or reject this atonement.

If He died for every man, why will everyone not be saved?

People do not limit the atonement , they either accept it or reject it.

All persons do, except of course, the Universalists, who dream that ultimately everyone, will be reconciled to God.

The Gospel is simple, let not intellectual theology becloud it's wonderful truths.

There is a place for reason in the study and teaching of the Word of God, we will do well to reason as far as such reasoning do not contradict the Word.

Indeed God does draw men to Him but only those who are humble enough to admit their need for a saviour and thus salvation from their sins.

Really? Then it is safe to suppose those are the men He decided to save
and subsequently those for whom Christ’ death availed for.

Remember that verse " God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble ".

I remember.

And yes those who do repent do so , because of God's mercy.

Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? – James 3:11

There is no limitation but the power of choice to accept the full atonement or reject it

To God and to Him alone be all the glory of salvation, not man and not man’s ability to choose.



Frosbel, a thousand apologies for my very late reply.