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Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by Fr0sbel: 11:55am On Feb 01, 2012
The Shi'ahs do not believe in the present Qur'an to be authentic for three reasons:

First reason: The first reason ties in with the Shi'ite belief that that all the Companions of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.), the transmitters of the Qur'an, were liars. In addition, they belief that the Imams of the ahl al-Bait were also liars, and used to observe taqiyyah (religious dissimulation). If all the Sahabah and the member of the Prophetic household were lairs, from whence did they receive the original Qur'an from the Holy Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.)?

Second reason: The Sahabah, the lairs and fibbers in Shi'ite estimation, narrated the Qur'an and were responsible for its propagation and widespread recitation. On the other hand, the Imams of the Ahl al-Bait did not have the privilige and the opportunity of narrating it or verifying it, how can they then accept the present Qur'an to be perfect and in its entirety?

Third reason: There are more than two hundred narrations (regarded as authentic by Shi'ahs) in Shi'ite primary sources which testify that the present Qur'an has been tampered with, some things added, and some omitted. Not one Shi'ite narration speaks of the veracity of the present Qur'an, and according to them, it only occupies the status of an isolated tradition (khabr wahid).

However, some Shi'ahs have rejected the notion that the present Qur'an is fabricated, and they quote four Shi'ite scholars in this regard: Sharif Murtada, Abu Ja'far Tusi, Abu 'Ali Tabarsi, and Shaikh Saduq.

Using the findings and statements of these four scholars is not valid as the edifice of Shi'ism rests upon the infallible Imams. Most of all the narrations attesting to the present skimpy state of the Qur'an originate from them. What weight does these four Shi'ite scholars hold in comparison to the old scholars and authorities of Shi'ism and their immutable Imams?

Even if the verdict of these four scholars are accepted, it has been found that they had employed the principle of taqiyyah when stating that the present Qur'an has not been fabricated. Husain ibn Muhammad Taqi al-Nuri al-Tabarsi, a Shi'ite scholar, has proven this for us. He says regarding their verdict: "None of the earlier scholars have concurred to their view." (Faslul Khitab fi Tahrif Kitab Rabb al-Arbab pge 33)

Husain ibn Muhammad Taqi al-Nuri al-Tabarsi further says that the majority of the Shi'ahs believe in the tampering of the Qur'an, and this is the stance of the majority. (Faslul Khitab fi Tahrif Kitab Rabb al-Arbab pge 32)

A few quotations to this effect is given from authentic Shia sources on the matter:

1. Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulaini on the authority of Jabir that he heard Abu Ja'far saying: "Whoever claims from amongst the people that he has collected the entire Qur'an as Allah has revealed it is a liar. Only 'Ali and the Imams after him had collected it and memorized it as Allah had revealed it." (Usul al-Kafi, Chapter that the Qur'an was not entirely collected except by the Imams, and they only have all knowledge)

2. Kulaini has narrated on the authority of Salim ibn Salamah who said: "A person recited a portion of the Qur'an to Abu 'Abdullah (Imam Ja'far), and I heard that a few words of the Qur'an which the other people did not recite. At this, Imam Ja'far told him: "Refrain from reciting this way, recite like how the common people recite it until the appearance of the saviour. When he appears, recite the Qur'an to its fullest. I will then reveal the manuscript which 'Ali had written. It is the same manuscript, after writing it, he presented it to the people saying: "This is the Book of Allah as was revealed upon Muhammad (S.A.W.). I have gathered it from the tablets." The people told him: "We already have a manuscript in which the entire Qur'an has been collected. We are not in need of yours." At this, 'Ali told them: "By Allah, I will never show it to you after this day. I was charged to inform you of it after I collected it so that you may recite it." (Usul al-Kafi, Indian edition, pge 68)

3. Kulaini has again narrated on the authority of Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Abu Nasr who said: "Abu al-Hasan gave me a manuscript and told me to see what was written therein. I opened it, and under the verse "Those who disbelieve will not??, " were written the names of seventy Quraishites along with the names of their father." (Usul al-Kafi, Indian edition, pge 680)

4. Kulaini again narrates that Abu 'Abdulah said: "Jibra'il descended upon Muhammad with the following verse in this way: "O people of the Book, bring faith in what we have revealed regarding 'Ali, the magnificent light." (Ibid)

5. Some of the Shi'ahs have accused Sayyidian 'Uthman that he had destroyed the original Qur'an by burning it, and all the chapters which contained the virtues of 'Ali and the ahl al-Bait were also destroyed. From amongst these portions is the chapter of wilayat as follows: "In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, Most Merciful. O you who believe, bring faith on the two lights which We have revealed. They will recite My verses to you and will warn you of the punishment of a terrible day. These two lights are of each other, and I am All-Hearing All-Knowing." (Faslul Khitab fi Tahrif Kitab Rabb al-Arbab pge 180)

6. Ahmad ibn Abu Talib Tibirsi narrates on the authority of Abu Dharr al-Ghifari (R.A.): "When the Holy Prophet passed away, 'Ali gathered the Qur'an and produced it to the Emigrants (Muhajirun) and the Helpers (Ansar) as the Holy Prophet had bided him to do so. When Abu Bakr opened the first page, he found some denunciation of the Quraish tribe. At this 'Umar leapt forward and said: "O 'Ali, take it back for we are not in need of it." 'Ali took it back. Just then Zaid ibn Thabit, a prominent reciter of the Qur'an appeared, and 'Umar told him: "'Ali was here a short while back with a Qur'an which despises the Emigrants and the Helpers. I think we should compile such a Qur'an wherein all these aspects are omitted." Zaid agreed with him, but he added: "Once I have completed the Qur'an according to this method and 'Ali sees it, will your version be not invalidated?" 'Umar then asked: "What ruse should we employ then?" Zaid replied: "You know better of such ruses." At this 'Umar said: "There is no ruse but to kill 'Ali and obtain comfort from him in this way." 'Umar then thought of having him killed by Khalid ibn al-Walid, but this plan failed. When 'Umar assumed the leadership after some time, the people asked 'Ali to produce his Qur'an. 'Umar asked him: "O 'Ali, produce the Qur'an which you showed Abu Bakr so that we may agree on it." At this, 'Ali said: "This is not possible, I only showed it to Abu Bakr so that the proof may be established on you people, and so that you may not say on the day of Judgement: "We were unaware of it," "You did not produce it." The Qur'an in my possession will not be touched except by the pure, and the designated ones of my family." 'Umar asked: "Is the time known when it will be produced." Upon this 'Ali replied: "Yes, when the saviour of times emerge, it will be produced and all the people will agree to it." (Al-Ihtijaj, Najaf, pge 225. Also see Tafsir al-Safi pge 11, and Fasl al-Khitab pge 7)
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by Nobody: 1:01pm On Feb 01, 2012
7. Husain al-Nuri al-Tabarsi says: "It has been narrated from many of the Rawafid of times gone by that the present Qur'an is not the one which was revealed upon Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.). it has been altered, and many words added on and omitted." (Faslul Khitab fi Tahrif Kitab Rabb al-Arbab pge 32) .

The Beliefs of the Shi'ites about the Present Quran


Jabir reported that he heard Imam Baqir saying: 'No one can claim that he has compiled the Quran as Allah revealed except a liar. The only person to compile it and memorise it according to its revelation was Ali ibn Abi Talib and the Imams who succeeded him. (Usole kafi 1:228)


A man said that someone was reciting the Quran in the company of Imam Ja'far. The narrator said that he heard certain verses in the recitation which were not according to the recitation of the people. Imam Ja'far told the person reciting: 'Do not recite like this. Recite as the people recite until the (promised) Mahdi arrives. When the Mahdi arrives, he will recite the Quran according to its original revelation and the Qu,ran compiled by Ali will be brought forward. (Ibid: 2.622)

Allah says in Surah Ale Imraan (32):



"Certainly Allah has chosen Adam, Noah, the family of Abraham and the family of Imraan above the (families of the) worlds."

Allamah Ali ibn Ibrahim AI-Qummi - one of the early Shi'ite commentators of the Quran said concerning this verse:


'The Imam said: 'The words: "The family of Muhammed" were also revealed along with "the family of Ale Imraan." They (referring to the Companions of the Prophet S.A.W.) removed the words "The family of Muhammad" from the original text (Al-Qummi's commentary:308). The allegation of removing the words preempts any possibility of abrogation. It is clear that the commentary is accusing the Companions of the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) of distorting the Quran.

Allah says in Surah Taha (115):

"And We had given Adam an order before, but he forgot and We did not find any resolve in him (to disobey the order)."

Imam Ja'far is reported to have said that Allah had revealed this verse with the following words:



"We had ordered Adam before with some words about Muhammad, Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussain and the Imams from their offspring but he (Adam) forgot." Ja'far said: 'By Allah, these were the words which were revealed to Muhammad.' (Usul Kafi: 1:416 and the footnotes of Maqbool's translation: 637)

Allah says in Surah Yusuf (49):


"Then a year will come in which people will be given abundant help and they will press grapes." In AI-Qummi's commentary it is reported from Imam Ja'far that someone recited this verse in the presence of Ali. Ali said: 'What will they press'? Wine?' The person asked how he should read the verse. Ali replied that the verse was revealed thus: "Then a year will come in which people will he given abundant help and in which they will be given abundant rain. (Al-Qummi's commentary: 192)


The word Ya'siroon in the present Quran is in the active voice. According to this commentary it should have been read in the passive voice as Yu'saroon to alter the meaning. In the footnotes to the translation of Maqbool, it is written that this word (Ya'siroon) was changed from the passive voice to the active to suit the fancies of wine-loving khulafa (rulers). (Maqbool's translation: 479)

Allah says in Surah Muhammad (9):

"That is because they resented what Allah revealed, so Allah in turn cancelled their deeds." AI-Qummi has stated that Imam Muhammad Baqir said that Jibreel had transmitted this verse as: 'That is because they resented what Allah revealed about Ali.' But then the apostates removed Ali's name (from the Quran). (Ibid: 1011)


Allah says in Surah Waqi'ah (29):


"And the Companions of the Right Hand. What about the Companions of the Right Hand. They shall be among thornless lote-trees and under clusters of bananas."

One person recited this verse in the presence of Ali. Ali said that the word Talh is not.appropriate and should read Tal'a as in Surah Shu'araa (, ). Some enquired as why the word should not be changed. Ali replied that it was not the right time to do so because correcting the Quran would only confuse common people. He went on to say that among the Imams, only Imam Mahdi will have the right to reintroduce the Quran as it was during the time of the prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). (Ibid: 1067)


Abu Mansur Ahmed Tibrisi, a prominent Shi'ite scholar of the 8th century (H), has written:

'Enumerating the distortions and omissions of this sort (from the present Quran) would become laborious and it will disclose what Taqiyyah (Shi'ite practice to conceal the 'truth' for religious purposes) requires me not to disclose: the good qualities of Allah's friends and the vices of His enemies. (AI-Ihtijaj by Tibrisi: 1:254)

Mullah Muhsin Kashani, an 11th century Shi'ite scholar comments on the above quoted statement:

'It is clear from all of these traditions and quotations from the Family of the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) that the present Quran is not the complete Quran which was revealed to the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam).

In fact, there are verses that contradict that which was revealed; verses that have been distorted and places where omissions have been made such as the names of Ali, the Family of Muhammad (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and, on several occasions, there were the names of the hypocrites. Moreover, the present order of the Quran is not according to the preferred order of Allah and His Messenger. Ali ibn Ibrahim (a renowned commentator) also holds this opinion.' (Tafseer of Saafi: l:32).



QUR'AAN.

(I) Qur'aan - The Shi'ites call the Qur'aan "Note Book of Othman." They consider the present Qur'aan as compiled by, Hazrat Abu Baker (R.A.), Hazrat Omar (R.A.) and Hazrat Othman (R.A.) whom they consider usurpers of Hazrat Ali's (R.A.) caliphate, unbelievers and renegades. (The fact is that the whole Qur'aan was revealed to the Holy Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam who got it written on slabs of bones and stones, parchments etc. and it was memorised by many companions and recited in the presence of the Holy Prophet Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam).

The Shia belief is that the real Qur’aan was entrusted by the Holy Prophet (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) to Hazrat Ali (R.A.), but when the enemies did not believe in the same, Hazrat Ali (R.A.) concealed it and entrusted the same to his successor Imaams, and the eleventh Imaam handed it over to the twelfth Imaam - the underground and hidden Imaam. He is keeping the real Qur'aan in his custody, and when he will reappear, he will then reveal the real Qur'aan. The underground Imaam was only a child when he was entrusted with the Holy Qur'aan for safe custody.

The Shias believe that in the real Qur'aan lying with the underground Twelfth Imaam, there is a clear mention of Hazrat Ali (R.A.) and his posterity Imaamat. The present Qur'aan is abridged and the Shias per force believe the same as Qur'aan - but it is only, a stopgap belief. (vide Majalisus - Shia 147-149). (Al Balaghul- Mobin 368) (Ibid 37 Volume Two, 378, 373). (On the other hand, even European Orientalists consider the Qur'aan to be the only religious scripture in the world free from any temperance and existing in its pristine purity).
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by Fr0sbel: 1:06pm On Feb 01, 2012
Even the Shia do not believe the Quran is authentic grin grin grin


Original Quran will not come into view till the manifestation of Imam Mehdi (SHIAs 12th Imam) (Na’uzubillah). [Anwaar-ul-Na'umania, Vol#2, Pg#360 - Published Iran]

Collectors of Quran eliminated virtues of Prophet’s progeny from Surah Al-Ahzab which was about to the length of Surah Al-Bakrah (Na’uzubillah). [Haq-ul-Yaqeen, Pg#66 - Published Iran]

Usman (r.a) made alteration in Surah Al-Rehman by eliminating words “MINKUM” (Na’uzubillah). [Haq-ul-Yaqeen, Pg#525 - Published Iran]

Quran has been purposely altered by the drunkard Caliphs {Abu-Bakr (r.a), Umar (r.a) and Usman (r.a)}; The present Quran is false; It’s the duty of Imam Mehdi (SHIAs 12th Imam) to bring it in its original form; When Imam Mehdi (SHIAs 12th Imam) will come, then the Quran will be recited in its original form (Na’uzubillah). [Quran Translation by Maqbool Hussain Delhvi, Chap#12, Pg#384 – Published India]
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by LagosShia: 1:30pm On Feb 01, 2012
"frosbel" you are firstly an idi.ot for posting such rubbish.i dont blame you.i blame the Nasibi fools who would dig into rejected hadiths in shia books for such nonsense while forgetting that the rubbish is also present in Sunni books.why didnt you present the link or source of your copy/paste article? this is plagiarism,mind you.

anyways,here are Shia scholars and what they have authored proving beyond doubt that the Quran is authentic and preserved in its entirety,and answering each doubt and even touching on the rejected and fabricated hadith reports in both shia and sunni books:

"Belief of Shia in the Completeness of Quran"
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter8/1.html

"The Collection and Preservation of the Qur'an" -by  Ayatullah Sayyid Abul Qasim al Khui
http://www.al-islam.org/tahrif_quran/

"Authenticity of the Quran by  Shaikh Muslim Bhanji
http://www.al-islam.org/authen_of_the_quran/

[b]The Qur'an in Islam[/b]by  Sayyid Muhammad Husayn Tabataba'i
http://www.al-islam.org/quraninislam/index.htm
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by Fr0sbel: 1:56pm On Feb 01, 2012
Your own Imams disagree :

I had pasted more evidence, and wanted to paste the link, but was repeatedly banned by spambot.

You are such a Hypocrite, your Shia cult disbelieves that the Quran is complete and yet you are here bashing others for saying the TRUTH.

Keep living in arrogance and deception !!!

And while you are at it, looking for more nonsense to paste here, tell us what verses of the Quran the goat ate as confirmed by Aisha, except you are now calling Muhammad's wife a liar.

I expect more lies, waiting cheesy
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by Sweetnecta: 2:23pm On Feb 01, 2012
^^^^^^^ fr0sbel, a link is a single line. okay 3 lines since 3 is always what you want. spambot will not get you on that.
i think you are practicing deception by your claims on spambot.
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by LagosShia: 3:01pm On Feb 01, 2012
Fr0sbel:

Your own Imams disagree :


“Imam Raza (as) stated: When you find two contradictory reports about same matter then present both of them before the Quran since it contains instruction of every Halal and Haram [matter]. Therefore whichever is in accordance to the Quran adhere to it while present the one before Sunnah of Prophet (s) which is not present in Quran”
Ayoon Akhbar Raza, Volume 2 page 20 by Sheikh Saduq

Imam Jafar (as),the 6th Imam, narrates from his father who from narrates from his father who narrates from Ameer al Momineen (as): Verily every Haq is a reality and every Thawab is Noor. Thus take whatever is in accordance to the Quran and leave whatever is against it”
Amali, page 368 by Sheikh Saduq

“Imam Muhammad Taqi (as),the 9th Imam, states: Whenever Haqaiq (truths) are mentioned, their evidences should be sought from the Quran. Thus, if there are arguments about those evidences then it is incumbent to adhere to them and no one save people of arrogance would disagree about them”
Tauhfa al Aqool, page 343 by Behrani

Imam Jafar Sadiq (as),the 6th Imam, stated: When two different hadiths reach you then present both of them before book of Allah, if it is in accordance then take it, if it contradict it, then abandon it”
Arasail, page 446 by Sheikh al Ansari

Imam Baqar(as),the 5th Imam, narrates from his father who from his father who narrates from the Holy Prophet (s): Whoever recites ten verses in a night shall not be counted amongst the heedless ones and whoever recites fifty verse shall be counted among Daakireen [speakers]. Whoever recites a hundred verses shall be counted amongst the grateful ones. Whoever recites two hundred verses shall be counted amongst those who fear Allah. Whoever recites three hundred shall be counted amongst the successful ones. Whoever recited five hundred verses shall be counted amongst the Mujtahideen. Whoever recites one thousand verses shall receive many rewards”
1. Al Kafi, Volume 2 page 448
2. Amali, page 59-60 by Sheikh Saduq

Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by ShiaMuslim: 3:04pm On Feb 01, 2012
Fr0sbel:

Your own Imams disagree :

inshaAllah we will examine the words of the Imams of the Ahlul-Bayt (as),and see if you are right.

“Imam Ali Reda (as),the 8th Imam stated: When you find two contradictory reports about same matter then present both of them before the Quran since it contains instruction of every Halal and Haram [matter]. Therefore whichever is in accordance to the Quran adhere to it while present the one before Sunnah of Prophet (s) which is not present in Quran”
Ayoon Akhbar Raza, Volume 2 page 20 by Sheikh Saduq
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by ShiaMuslim: 3:05pm On Feb 01, 2012
Imam Jafar (as),the 6th Imam, narrates from his father who from narrates from his father who narrates from Ameer al Momineen (as): Verily every Haq is a reality and every Thawab is Noor. Thus take whatever is in accordance to the Quran and leave whatever is against it”
Amali, page 368 by Sheikh Saduq

“Imam Muhammad Taqi (as),the 9th Imam, states: Whenever Haqaiq (truths) are mentioned, their evidences should be sought from the Quran. Thus, if there are arguments about those evidences then it is incumbent to adhere to them and no one save people of arrogance would disagree about them”
Tauhfa al Aqool, page 343 by Behrani
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by ShiaMuslim: 3:06pm On Feb 01, 2012
Imam Jafar Sadiq (as),the 6th Imam, stated: When two different hadiths reach you then present both of them before book of Allah, if it is in accordance then take it, if it contradict it, then abandon it”
Arasail, page 446 by Sheikh al Ansari

Imam Baqar(as),the 5th Imam, narrates from his father who from his father who narrates from the Holy Prophet (s): Whoever recites ten verses in a night shall not be counted amongst the heedless ones and whoever recites fifty verse shall be counted among Daakireen [speakers]. Whoever recites a hundred verses shall be counted amongst the grateful ones. Whoever recites two hundred verses shall be counted amongst those who fear Allah. Whoever recites three hundred shall be counted amongst the successful ones. Whoever recited five hundred verses shall be counted amongst the Mujtahideen. Whoever recites one thousand verses shall receive many rewards”
Al Kafi, Volume 2 page 4482; Amali, page 59-60 by Sheikh Saduq
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by Karbala: 3:37pm On Feb 01, 2012
Hadith Thaqlain or "Hadith of the Two Weighty Things"
Holy Prophet (s) clearly instructed us to follow the book of Allah and his Ahlulbayt (as).
The Prophet said: Verily, I am leaving behind two precious things (thaqalayn) among you: the Book of God and my kindred (`itrah), who are from my household (Ahl alBayt), for indeed, the two will never separate until they come back to me by the Pond (of alKawthar on the Judgement's Day).
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by Karbala: 3:39pm On Feb 01, 2012
Imam Muhammad Baqar (as),the fifth Imam states: Whoever in Makkah completes the Quran during two Fridays or around this period of time or mainly completes it on a Friday then Allah will give him reward, so that all of his time during the two Fridays will be counted in recitation. If he completes it on any other day than Friday even then his entire time shall be counted as if he was reciting all the time”.
Thawab al A’maal, page 125
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by Karbala: 3:39pm On Feb 01, 2012
Imam Ali bin Abi Talib (as),the first Imam and the father of the remaining 11 Imams said:

“The Prophet came with (a Book containing) testifying to the previous (books) which were already there and also with a light to be followed. It is the Qur'an. If you ask it to speak it won't do so; but I will tell you about it. Know that it contains knowledge of what is to come about, stories of the past, cure for your ills and regulation for whatever faces you.”
Nahjul balagha Sermon 158
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by Karbala: 3:41pm On Feb 01, 2012
Imam Ali (as) said:

“And know that this Qur'an is an adviser who never deceives, a leader who never misleads and a narrator who never speaks a lie. No one will sit beside this Qur'an but that when he rises he will achieve one addition or one diminution - addition in his guidance or elimination in his (spiritual) blindness. You should also know that no one will need anything after (guidance from) the Qur'an and no one will be free from want before (guidance from) the Qur'an. Therefore, seek cure from it for your ailments and seek its assistance in your distresses. It contains a cure for the biggest diseases, namely unbelief, hypocrisy, revolt and misguidance. Pray to Allah through it and turn to Allah with its love. Do not ask the people through it. There is nothing like it through which the people should turn to Allah, the Sublime.

Know that it is an interceder and its intercession will be accepted. It is a speaker who is testified. For whoever the Qur'an intercedes on the Day of Judgment, its intercession for him would be accepted. He about whom the Qur'an speaks ill on the Day of Judgement shall testify to it. On the Day of Judgement an announcer will announce, "Beware. every sower of a crop is in distress except the sowers of the Qur'an." Therefore, you should be among the sowers of the Qur'an and its followers. Make it your guide towards Allah.
Seek its advice for yourselves, do not trust your views against it. and regard your desires in the matter of the Qur'an as deceitful.”
Nahjul balagha sermon 176
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by Karbala: 3:43pm On Feb 01, 2012
Ameer al Momineen in his letter to Harith Hamdani (ra) wrote:
“Never forsake the orders, instructions and advice given by the Holy Qur'an. So far as presumptions of actions and things, lawful, legitimate and allowable or unlawful, forbidden and prohibited are concerned, accept the rulings of the Holy Book.” (Nahjul Balagha)

At another place he said:
“The Book of Allah is among you. It speaks and its tongue does not falter. It is a house whose pillars do not fall down, and a power whose supporters are never routed.” (Nahjul balagha Sermon 133)
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by Karbala: 3:44pm On Feb 01, 2012
“Rayan bin Salat narrates that he asked Imam Reda (as) : "O descendant of Prophet (S), what are your views on the Qur'an? He replied: This is book of Allah, do not leave it behind and do not attain guidance from non-Quran for you will go astray”. Aiwan Akhbar al Raza, Volume 2 page 57 by Sheikh Saduq;Amali, page 546 by Sheikh Saduq
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by Karbala: 3:46pm On Feb 01, 2012
More on the views of Imam Ali (as) on the Holy Quran:

“Then, Allah sent to him the Book as a light whose flames cannot be extinguished, a lamp whose gleam does not die, a sea whose depth cannot be sounded, a way whose direction does not mislead, a ray whose light does not darken, a separator (of good from evil) whose arguments do not weaken, a clarifier whose foundations cannot be dismantled, a cure which leaves no apprehension for disease, an honour whose supporters are not defeated, and a truth whose helpers are not abandoned. Therefore, it is the mine of belief and its centre, the source of knowledge and its oceans, the plantation of justice and its pools, the foundation stone of Islam and its construction, the valleys of truth and its plains, an ocean which those who draw water cannot empty, springs which those who draw water cannot dry up, a watering place which those who come to take water cannot exhaust, a staging place in moving towards which travellers do not get lost, signs which no treader fails to see and a highland which those who approach it cannot surpass it.
Allah has made it a quencher of the thirst of the learned, a bloom for the hearts of religious jurists, a highway for the ways of the righteous, a cure after which there is no ailment, an effulgence with which there is no darkness, a rope whose grip is strong, a stronghold whose top is invulnerable, an honour for him who loves it, a peace for him who enters it, a guidance for him who follows it, an excuse for him who adopts it, an argument for him who argues with it, a witness for him who quarrels with it, a success for him who argues with it, a carrier of burden for him who seeks the way, a shield for him who arms himself (against misguidance), a knowledge for him who listens carefully, worthy story for him who relates it and a final verdict of him who passes judgements.” (Nahjul balagha Sermon 198)
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by Karbala: 3:48pm On Feb 01, 2012
Ali bin Salam narrates from his father who asked Imam Jafar Sadiq (as) "O descendant of the Prophet (S). What are your views on the Qur'an? Imam Jafar (as) replied 'the Qur'an is Allah's book and his revelation. This is a Book which Baatil hasn’t even gone close to, neither will there be anyone who would call it Baatil nor has this happened before and this has been revealed by the Hakeem and Majeed God” (Amali by Shaykh Saduq, Page 545)
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by Karbala: 4:06pm On Feb 01, 2012
Al-Kulayni,the prominent Shia scholar, mentioned in his introduction to his book the following:

"Brother, may God lead you to the right road. You ought to know that it is impossible for anyone to distinguish the truth from the untruth when Muslim scholars disagree upon statements attributed to the Imams. There is only one way to separate the true from the untrue reports, through the standard which was

declared by the Imam:
"'Test the various reports by the Book of God; whatever agrees with it take it, whatever disagrees with it reject it.
"'Take what is agreed upon (by scholars). Certainly the universally accepted should not be doubted. '"

and let us see what the Quran says about itself:

"Verily, I revealed the Quran and verily I will preserve it."[Noble Quran 15:9]

"Verily this Qur'an guides to what is most upright and give glad tidings to the believers who do righteous deeds that for them is a great reward. (9) And as for those who do not believe in the hereafter, we have prepared for them a painful punishment".(Holy Quran 17:10)

"Indeed, those who inject deviation into Our verses are not concealed from Us. So, is he who is cast into the Fire better or he who comes secure on the Day of Resurrection? Do whatever you will; indeed, He is Seeing of what you do.Indeed, those who disbelieve in the message after it has come to them, And indeed, it is a mighty Book.Falsehood cannot approach it from before it or from behind it; [it is] a revelation from a [Lord who is] Wise and Praiseworthy".(Holy Quran 40:40-42)
Re: Shi'ahs Do Not Believe In The Present Qur'an To Be Authentic For Three Reasons by LagosShia: 4:13pm On Feb 01, 2012
Fr0sbel:


And while you are at it, looking for more nonsense to paste here, tell us what verses of the Quran the goat ate as confirmed by Aisha, except you are now calling Muhammad's wife a liar.

this allegation that a goat ate some verses,have been refuted here by myself just a few days ago:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-99773.192.html#msg10077326

LagosShia:

more missionary lies and evil claims to undermine Islam using fabricated hadiths.

so if those verses were lost,how come they knew which verses they were and yet did not include the verses themselves in the Quran? the hadith contains internal contradiction.


When Did A Hungry Goat Eat Your "Verse Of Stoning To Death"?
God states in His fully detailed book, the Quran, that the adulterer and adulteress should be punished by one hundred lashes. The profound verses of Quran do not make any distinction between married and single adulterers (24:1,2).

Whether those who commit adultery are married or unmarried, white or black, rich or poor, their punishment must be one hundred lashes if they are proven guilty by four eye witnesses (24:4). The only exceptions are slaves, whose punishment is half of the free (4:25). This is the law of God who does not run out of words (31:27), is the best law maker (5:50), never forgets (19:64), and has detailed the Quran (11:1). Whoever looks for other sources of law disobeys the messenger (6:114). Believers do not subscribe to any religious source other than God's revelation (45:6).


Unfortunately, after the death of the prophet Muhammad, the hypocrites fabricated hadiths and attributed them to the prophet and distorted God's law. The people who are described in 6:112 produced lie after lie to justify the punishment of adultery to death by stoning for married adulterers. now,if the punishment is found in authentic hadith is a whole different case.but it is not found in the Quran. this law from of stoning is mostly found in the books of the Jews and their idol worshipping ancestors (11:91; 44:20; 36:18; 26:116).finding a way to smuggle into the Holy Quran the practice of stonning as punishment amounts claiming that the words of God are not complete and clear in 24:1-2. It is significant that the Almighty God stated in the beginning of Chapter 24, that this law is profound and clear!!! personally i do not believe the practice of stonning as punishment is justified from the point of view of the Quran.the Quran putting forth flogging as punishment does not discriminate between those married and those unmarried.anyone committing adultery or fornication based on the Quran is to be flogged.


[size=14pt]The Collection and Preservation of the Qur'an [/size]
by Ayatullah Sayyid Abul Qasim al Khui

http://www.al-islam.org/tahrif_quran/

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