Real talk, Claus. I've come to the conclusion that Africans are mediocre. They will excuse Mugabe's BRUTAL ABUSE of his own people because he said the West is bad. HE IS BEING BAD TO HIS PEOPLE! Don't African people want leaders that will put them first and not only feed their stomachs. Do African people not feel worthy enough to receive respect? Cap28 said he would go and live in Botswana. I CHALLENGE CAP28 TO IMMIGRATE TO ZIMBABWE. And while he's at it, he must try once disagree with Mugabe. His thugs will knock on his door. He may respectfully disagree, his thugs will still visit him. Let him see the freedom Zimbabweans have under his hero Mugabe.

kayusbrown:

The truth remains the truth irespective of who is saying it and whatever selfish reasons for saying it. It is a fact that colonisation and slavery never stopped in Africa. We were only successfull in stoping PHYSICAL slavery but the whites were smart in replacing it with MENTAL slavery. We are still slaves Ideologically, Politically, Economically, Religiously and culturally!

This is far from truth, fact and reasoning. The whites are not the ones responsible for subjecting us through this economical pains we are going through in nigeria for example. they are not the ones responsible for the corrupt and greed of our leaders, cabals and cartels. Even before colonization (if you read history very well) our Kings, obas, emirs subjects their citizens to slavery and inhuman treatment , so when the whites came they made the trade so popular. Our leaders collected mirrors etc and sold their people to slavery so whos to blame?

@ brainpulse, abeg help me tell them ooo

Speaking of African unity, you’all cannot even unite on a public forum; talk less of a country.

The west use that age-old trick of ‘divide and conquer’, apparently, it still works for them as you cannot for once lay down your grievances and agree that the man said something right.

we go through stigmatization, greed, seperation, allienation even in our immediate families, an uncle will want all the property to himself, mother will kill her husband just because of wealth, Is it the whites that are responsible for all these also ( i laugh in sunita)? The major problem is the greed of the black man.chikena

Most of you guys criticiszing mugabe are ignorant of zimbabwe internal affairs. First, zimbabwe is one of the most beautifull, scenic cleanest countries in africa. You cannot even compare it with Nigeria. A visit to harare, capital city is like a walk in newyork. Its not only breathtaking but orderly. One of mugabes policies is to unify the country, but resistance from white minority group who still maintain apertheid role. Town like francistown r strictly white inhabited. The issue of tribalism is non existent. What is really hurting zimbabwe is sanctions not mugabe.

Mugabe asked who is next after Gaddafi. It is you by God grace, what is he doing in power since 1980? All african leader that refused to embrase democracy must pay for it. They are the one giving white chance by not doing right thing. Tel Mugabe told hand over so that he wil not end his life in shame.

Long One:

Speaking of African unity, you’all cannot even unite on a public forum; talk less of a country.

The west use that age-old trick of ‘divide and conquer’, apparently, it still works for them as you cannot for once lay down your grievances and agree that the man said something right.

This is the Old folktale lies used by our greedy fore fathers in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s. so you too are transferring this to your generation( i pity you in jamaica). Nobody is dividing anybody, becos of greed i, as ur brother will do everything to see your downfall just because of greed, i wont stop at that, even go to the extent of framing you up just to collect your wife- the whites are responsible for that too abi. So my, ur, our problem is that the foundation of our continent is laid on self and self = greed. We can not move just because of what we want for ourselves alone not what we can do for our brothers. So development comes through each one contributing something to the devopment of the society atlarge.

During the Fuel subsidy all our governos were so quick to jump at it just because of what they wanted from the federal government calling the people dogs that they never wanted development. why cant they find something to add rather take. So i guess the Whites are responsible for that too. I shake my head in korean

"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds. How long shall they kill our prophets while we stand aside and look, some said its just a part of the book they have to fulfil."
unfortunately we are helping them to kill our prophets and heroes. Unfortunately those we regard as our prophets are those who look in the sky and tell us that blessing will shower down on us as long as we bless them with our money. Like somene said above, the truth is the truth irrespective of who said it. If we have five mugabes in africa, no one would dare to invade libya and kill the best president we had.

Kenyanstar:

Most of you guys criticiszing mugabe are ignorant of zimbabwe internal affairs. First, zimbabwe is one of the most beautifull, scenic cleanest countries in africa. You cannot even compare it with Nigeria. A visit to harare, capital city is like a walk in newyork. Its not only breathtaking but orderly. One of mugabes policies is to unify the country, but resistance from white minority group who still maintain apertheid role. Town like francistown r strictly white inhabited. The issue of tribalism is non existent. What is really hurting zimbabwe is sanctions not mugabe.

The people criticizing Mugabe are not ignorant of Zimbabwe's internal affairs. Two have mentioned that they lived there and I visit regularly. If you say Harare's is like New York, you are only referring to the grid system of the streets that was laid decades ago.

Harare is not as beautiful as it used to be. Zimbabweans themselves testify to that. Zimbaweans have run across their borders in their millions into South Africa, Botswana, Mozambique etc.

Mugabe does not have any policy of unifying the country, unless you mean he wants everyone to be united in their fear of him. You go and mention "gukurahundi" (killing of over 20,000 Ndebele in the 1980's by Mugabe's military) in Matabeleland and see the reaction you get.

The list is endless. No amount of PR can change the colour of the blood on that guy's hands.

Kenyanstar:

Most of you guys criticiszing mugabe are ignorant of zimbabwe internal affairs. First, zimbabwe is one of the most beautifull, scenic cleanest countries in africa. You cannot even compare it with Nigeria. A visit to harare, capital city is like a walk in newyork. Its not only breathtaking but orderly. One of mugabes policies is to unify the country, but resistance from white minority group who still maintain apertheid role. Town like francistown r strictly white inhabited. The issue of tribalism is non existent. What is really hurting zimbabwe is sanctions not mugabe.

You are a joker, how does cleaniness portray economic sanity. We are talking deep here my brother, I am sure you 've been to Abuja ( some of the prime areas like asokoro et al)it's a fine city but does it portray the hardship Nigerians go through daily? Brain pulse, u r on point.

brainpulse:

This is the Old folktale lies used by our greedy fore fathers in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s. so you too are transferring this to your generation( i pity you in jamaica). Nobody is dividing anybody, becos of greed i, as ur brother will do everything to see your downfall just because of greed, i wont stop at that, even go to the extent of framing you up just to collect your wife- the whites are responsible for that too abi. So my, ur, our problem is that the foundation of our continent is laid on self and self = greed. We can not move just because of what we want for ourselves alone not what we can do for our brothers. So development comes through each one contributing something to the devopment of the society atlarge.

During the Fuel subsidy all our governos were so quick to jump at it just because of what they wanted from the federal government calling the people dogs that they never wanted development. why cant they find something to add rather take. So i guess the Whites are responsible for that too. I shake my head in korean

Funny you, this was one of the strategies we were taught to use when dealing with opposition. Yes, it was a UK University.

It just means you know little about World politics. Our differences and greed aside, with our vast natural resources, do you honestly think it will profit them if Africa steps up it’s game? Did you read about Gaddafi’s plan to trade in Gold instead of the Dollar?

In his eighties, after over three decades in power, this demented fool is teaching African leaders about leadership. Robert Mugabe have turned a very promising zimbabwe into an impoverished nation. He is hell bent on hanging on to power until death calls. It is sheer madness that at an age when he should be in peaceful retirement, he have started campaining for his next five years in power. The fact that the white minority controls 80% of zimbabwean lands have been in place since he assumed power in 1980 and up to his second decade in power. That was`nt an issue for him until he started losing his grip on power. It was then that he turned the inequality in land ownership into a political tool. This land problem was well handled in neighbouring South Africa where the same problem of imbalance exists. He should bury his head in shame for he is one of those sit tight maniacs giving Africa a bad image. How can a man, almost ninety years of age, still have the mental capacity to steer the affairs of a country. He is now critisizing the west, his best friends until he started destroying zimbabwe with his land politics and starving those who do not support his sit-tight tactics. The good news is that even if he successfully reinstalls himself as president for another five years, age will soon knock him out and zimbabwe will breathe again.

Kenyanstar:

Most of you guys criticiszing mugabe are ignorant of zimbabwe internal affairs. First, zimbabwe is one of the most beautifull, scenic cleanest countries in africa. You cannot even compare it with Nigeria. A visit to harare, capital city is like a walk in newyork. Its not only breathtaking but orderly. One of mugabes policies is to unify the country, but resistance from white minority group who still maintain apertheid role. Town like francistown r strictly white inhabited. The issue of tribalism is non existent. What is really hurting zimbabwe is sanctions not mugabe.

One word that comes to my mind reading your post is CLUELESS

Mugabe stands up to the west and shortly after calls his bankers in Western Countries (Switzerland, Luxembourg, Cayman Island etc) to confirm the balance of his stolen stash.

The AU is an irrelevant organisation of tin-pot despots that have no desire to develop their countries. Every year, we hear the same empty rhetoric about "standing up to the west" but this leaders will then go cap in hand to seek aid from the West.

Providing millions of Africans with the to basic necessities of human existence (food, shelter and clothing) should be their focus not meaningless speeches.

The Libyan NTC don't need to be angry; recognition by the AU is worthless.

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Niseamaka:

In his eighties, after over three decades in power, this demented fool is teaching African leaders about leadership. Robert Mugabe have turned a very promising zimbabwe into an impoverished nation. He is hell bent on hanging on to power until death calls. It is sheer madness that at an age when he should be in peaceful retirement, he have started campaining for his next five years in power. The fact that the white minority controls 80% of zimbabwean lands have been in place since he assumed power in 1980 and up to his second decade in power. That was`nt an issue for him until he started losing his grip on power. It was then that he turned the inequality in land ownership into a political tool. This land problem was well handled in neighbouring South Africa where the same problem of imbalance exists. He should bury his head in shame for he is one of those sit tight maniacs giving Africa a bad image. How can a man, almost ninety years of age, still have the mental capacity to steer the affairs of a country. He is now critisizing the west, his best friends until he started destroying zimbabwe with his land politics and starving those who do not support his sit-tight tactics. The good news is that even if he successfully reinstalls himself as president for another five years, age will soon knock him out and zimbabwe will breathe again.

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I will pay top dollar to read your post anyday, thanks for saying it as its.

Long One:

Speaking of African unity, you’all cannot even unite on a public forum; talk less of a country.

The west use that age-old trick of ‘divide and conquer’, apparently, it still works for them as you cannot for once lay down your grievances and agree that the man said something right.

We can agree that there is some truth in what he says, but we do not have to agree with all he is saying. We cannot also ignore the man's motives nor can we ignore his hypocrisy (Mugabe's lifestyle is awash with British influences) and wickedness towards his own people.

Family members disagree with one another all the time, it is not always a symptom of some external "divide and conquer" force.

If we are still divided, let's not kid ourselves that it is some puppet master in the West that is doing it. Many other regions have been let loose into the world economic and political playing field and are faring way better than we are. Why is the West not dividing and conquering them?

Long One:

Funny you, this was one of the strategies we were taught to use when dealing with opposition. Yes, it was a UK University.

It just means you know little about World politics. Our differences and greed aside, with our vast natural resources, do you honestly think it will profit them if Africa steps up it’s game? Did you read about Gaddafi’s plan to trade in Gold instead of the Dollar?

No my radio frequency never carried that information, it only told me he had Golden guns, Private jets laden with golden accesories, gold plates, spoons etc. If you are still a kid, know that African vast resources will not affect the development of the citizens if a leader blieves he has only the know how to rule a nation for decades and his greed, and once you raise an eye brow then you are an enemy and not fit to live by his personal constitution. You are living in another mans country right, just because that man was not greedy to his own people instead of looting monies for developing his people he chose to use it to develop his country. If they were like our leaders i blieve you will be in afganistan studying.

Mugabe is definitely right and we should see it in that direction that the West is encroaching on our lands, rights and others freely again.  They have just done a test run with Libya and nobody, no government and even the rulers of our nation stood against it. Rather we were sold to believing that Gadaffi has overstayed his welcome.  Can this happen in Europe or America where a sovereign nation is being overtaken forcefully.  Look at what is happen in Syria, can you compare it to what happened in Libya yet no NATO, France, America and UK.  It is a big shame to Africa, toothless bulldog AU and the rest that the land has been invaded and can't do anything.  Mugabe may be wrong his his country, but he has spoken out out what most leaders in Africa fear to say.  God will bless you but rule your country well for posterity to judge.

hmm as for me, mugabe is bad but westerners are d worst.

JFKLondon:

Mugabe is definitely right and we should see it in that direction that the West is encroaching on our lands, rights and others freely again.  They have just done a test run with Libya and nobody, no government and even the rulers of our nation stood against it. Rather we were sold to believing that Gadaffi has overstayed his welcome.  Can this happen in Europe or America where a sovereign nation is being overtaken forcefully.  Look at what is happen in Syria, can you compare it to what happened in Libya yet no NATO, France, America and UK.  It is a big shame to Africa, toothless bulldog AU and the rest that the land has been invaded and can't do anything.  Mugabe may be wrong his his country, but he has spoken out out what most leaders in Africa fear to say.  God will bless you but rule your country well for posterity to judge.

What do you want the west to go and do in Syria? When they step in now people like you will start ranting, let them watch as Syrians are being killed by their own govt, i hope no western country steps in.

The sun has set on the West.

You see, Western economies have basically become a bunch of Las Vegas casino, smoke-and-mirror type economies whose creditors want their money back. You cannot sustain a lie forever. Already, the anarchists are out in force in central Madrid and Athens. Ditto Ireland, Iceland, Italy and Portugal. Britain and the US are not far behind.

So then, after their “economies” are gone, what will they have been left with? Granted, Africans will still be dirt poor, but if things get bad, we just go back to our villages and grow tomatoes, I would not be surprised to see Africa's recent past become Europe's future. What an irony of history if that happens.

Their is a peculiar system in this world that defines any lazy bum White person living in Africa as an “expatriate”, while a hard working African medical doctor in America, a Green Card holder and an Ivy League graduate, will forever be seen as an illegal immigrant, a sponger and a coon, just an evolved monkey. Rest assured though, that system can’t last very long.


The bigger picture to the Africans in the Diaspora; be wise……. Already, the evil messages of fascist politicians like Geert Wilders, Pauline Hanson, the BNP, and the Vlaam Bloek, et al, are once again resonating with Westerners. Barrack Obama was a onetime bleep on the radar-even if he miraculously gets a second term, which I doubt he will. Better get your fourty acres and a mule before the next Pogrom, genocide and mass-murdering dictatorship finds you unprepared. After all, the last one happened only 60 years ago, and 6 million Jews were slaughtered……….be wise………

brainpulse:

No my radio frequency never carried that information, it only told me he had Golden guns, Private jets laden with golden accesories, gold plates, spoons etc. If you are still a kid, know that African vast resources will not affect the development of the citizens if a leader blieves he has only the know how to rule a nation for decades and his greed, and once you raise an eye brow then you are an enemy and not fit to live by his personal constitution. You are living in another mans country right, just because that man was not greedy to his own people instead of looting monies for developing his people he chose to use it to develop his country. If they were like our leaders i blieve you will be in afganistan studying.

Typical, why am I not surprised? It means you still have a lot to learn.

I never said he was a saint, heck, I don’t even like the man, all I meant was he made a good point and as usual instead agreeing on something, you are busy fighting amongst yourselves.

Even in the West, when something goes wrong, they find the root cause, not continue ahead as if nothing happened – relating to Mugabe’s comment on looking into events behind Libya’s National Transitional Council. Else, how do you think they continually improve themselves? You can only prevent future mistakes by looking at what went wrong in the past.

Ask yourself this question, with the Economic recession in the west, why the continued interest in Africa? Is it out of the abundance of their hearts, as they love doing humanitarian work? Does the answer lie in Africa’s rich resources?

[size=20pt]MUGABE IS ABSOLUTELY ON POINT! THE MOMENT WE STAND UP TO THE WEST, THINGS WILL CHANGE FOR THE BETTER. LOOK AT[b] SOUTH AMERICA [/b]FOR INSTANCE THEIR GROWTH OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN OVERWHELMING. AND DON'T FORGET, IT ONLY STARTED WHEN HUGO CHAVEZ DECIDED TO JOIN FIDEL CASTRO IN OPPOSING NEO COLONIALISM BY THE WEST AND INITIATED THE MOVE FOR THE PAN REGIONAL UNION OF SOUTH AMERICAN NATIONS.THE SOONER WE DO THOSE SORT OF THINGS, AS STATED BY MUGABE AND LIBERATE AFRICA THE BETTER IT WILL BE FOR EVERYONE.

I KNOW SITTING DOWN FOR MINUTES JUST TO WATCH A SINGLE VIDEO MIGHT SEEM A BORING TASK. . . . BUT I WOULD ADVICE YOU GUYS TO WATCH THE YOUTUBE VIDEO BELOW. I PROMISE YOU ITS EYE OPENING. I Couldn't embed so that's the direct link:[/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlX7jGPFIv4

Claus:

We can agree that there is some truth in what he says, but we do not have to agree with all he is saying. We cannot also ignore the man's motives nor can we ignore his hypocrisy (Mugabe's lifestyle is awash with British influences) and wickedness towards his own people.

Family members disagree with one another all the time, it is not always a symptom of some external "divide and conquer" force.

If we are still divided, let's not kid ourselves that it is some puppet master in the West that is doing it. Many other regions have been let loose into the world economic and political playing field and are faring way better than we are. Why is the West not dividing and conquering them?

True talk, but it’s about time we checkmate some of their activities. We give them tickets to ‘access all areas’ without monitoring their activities be it Tax, bioremediation, e.t.c.

As for being divided, that’s my whole point, our leaders have been brainwashed by them at one point in time or another (you rightly mentioned Mugabe and his British influence), so the plan should be to unite and reduce this influence, then we can focus on creating our own system, devoid of Western influence. Unfortunately, to unite seems to be our biggest problem.

The solution, in my opinion?
Get rid of the old brigade of leaders, like Mugabe. In the same vein, get rid of the oyinbo wannabees on the continent. The ones who have been to Harvard and Oxford, and come back to Africa seeking easy ministerial appointment, while brandishing meaningless powerpoint slides.

We need true patriots to emerge from among the people. Guys with guts. People who actually want to see Africa grow, and are ready to do what it takes to make it happen.
Unfortunately the only people who have those characteristics on the continent, congregate in the southern part, and they are all WHITE!!!

It is true that African leaders are to be blamed for neo-colonialism and imperialism of the west. For example, the Libyan disaster could have been averted had it been Gadaffi left when his people demanded he should. His insistence on power and crackdown on protesters paved way for military intervention by the imperialist though there were indications that the protesters were sponsored by the imperialists. Re-colonisation of Africa is imminent if Africa continue to produce inept, corrupt and sit-tight leaders. The fall of Gadaffi is just one of the crucial steps needed to prepare Africa for the ''New World Order''. The next agenda is to disintegrate Nigeria and Boko Haram is already helping to achieve that. With the set of leaders we have presently in Africa, stopping re-colonisation is a pipe dream.

A 60 something year old Englishman told me when he was young, the Teachers showed them all the Countries in Africa by their resources, so the ambitious ones would enlist in the army, go off conquer some lands + resources, bring the spoils back to England, get rewarded with Land/Property/Titles and live happily ever after.

Sadly, this has not changed, just the strategies employed, as it’s now things like IMF, NATO, using vigilante/rebel groups to topple unfavourable governments, e.t.c.

mickey jag:

The sun has set on the West.
You see, Western economies have basically become a bunch of Las Vegas casino, smoke-and-mirror type economies whose creditors want their money back. You cannot sustain a lie forever. Already, the anarchists are out in force in central Madrid and Athens. Ditto Ireland, Iceland, Italy and Portugal. Britain and the US are not far behind.

So then, after their “economies” are gone, what will they have been left with? Granted, Africans will still be dirt poor, but if things get bad, we just go back to our villages and grow tomatoes, I would not be surprised to see Africa's recent past become Europe's future. What an irony of history if that happens.

Their is a peculiar system in this world that defines any lazy bum White person living in Africa as an “expatriate”, while a hard working African medical doctor in America, a Green Card holder and an Ivy League graduate, will forever be seen as an illegal immigrant, a sponger and a coon, just an evolved monkey. Rest assured though, that system can’t last very long.

The bigger picture to the Africans in the Diaspora; be wise……. Already, the evil messages of fascist politicians like Geert Wilders, Pauline Hanson, the BNP, and the Vlaam Bloek, et al, are once again resonating with Westerners. Barrack Obama was a onetime bleep on the radar-even if he miraculously gets a second term, which I doubt he will. Better get your fourty acres and a mule before the next Pogrom, genocide and mass-murdering dictatorship finds you unprepared. After all, the last one happened only 60 years ago, and 6 million Jews were slaughtered……….be wise………

Chop knuckle for the last paragraph bro, that is the gameplan.

Its now clear that most of the nigerian citizenry is suffering from an inferiority complex. The last time i checked egypt, zimbabwe, iraq & libya were fully flegded properous nations until the western countries interefered. The case of iraq, which was among the most developed country in the arab peninsula is now in ruins. Libya which was the richest & most socially habitable african country is now on the edge of a civil war. Zimbabwe was considered the food basket of south & central africa but due sanctions it has left it in absolute destitution. This countries were distabilised by western powers leaving them in ruins. Show me a single african country that has immensley benefited from america economically.

Yes, mickey jag has some good points. I personally believe the west have been rewarding themselves too heavily compared to the amount of value they actually create. They have also been living in a huge credit bubble, both as consumers and as governments. There will be some serious re-adjustment needed for them. However, I do not believe the sun has set on the west. They have recovered from much worse.

On the Mugabe front, someone needs to ask him what's happening to the natural resources that he's pretending he wants to protect from the West. Recent diamond discoveries in Zimbabwe are being monopolised by Zanu-PF officials and cronies and sold to *deep breath*, THE WEST.

The reason I am so fixated on this thread is that I know that Mugabe has used this same anti-white rhetoric to whip up sentiments amongst his people and against his opposition. It has caused irrational, emotionally driven revenge crime waves against white Zimbabweans and has ruined their economy.

We certainly need to address African relations with the West especially with regards to trade agreements. However, I pity Africa if the emotionally unstable Mr Mugabe has anything to do with that process. His activities in Zimbabwe must NOT be replicated across Africa.

Kenyanstar:

Its now clear that most of the nigerian citizenry is suffering from an inferiority complex. The last time i checked egypt, zimbabwe, iraq & libya were fully flegded properous nations until the western countries interefered. The case of iraq, which was among the most developed country in the arab peninsula is now in ruins. Libya which was the richest & most socially habitable african country is now on the edge of a civil war. Zimbabwe was considered the food basket of south & central africa but due sanctions it has left it in absolute destitution. This countries were distabilised by western powers leaving them in ruins. Show me a single african country that has immensley benefited from america economically.

That is what happens when you try to bite the finger that feeds you, Mugabe was busy getting all the incentives from the west and white farmers but when he turned against them they withdrew their support and Zim went down.

You can't eat your cake and have it. You mentioned Egypt? Can you tell me how the west caused the problem in Egypt?

Kenyanstar:

Zimbabwe was considered the food basket of south & central africa but due sanctions it has left it in absolute destitution.

It was not sanctions that caused Zimbabwe to stop becoming the food basket of south & central Africa. It was the random, emotionally driven and disorganised seizure and transfer of productive farms to unqualified Zanu-PF supporting "farmers" who chopped down the trees for firewood, sold and ate the livestock without thoughts of replenishment and generally left the farms run down.

Let us not refer to some generic sanctions as being the cause of Zimbabwe's downward spiral. Please list the sanctions on here for everyone to see and draw their own conclusions.