COMPARISON BETWEEN THE BIBLE AND QURAN WITH PROVES .NO SCRUNITY PLEASE>POST WITH PROVES.EG ERRORS, POLICTICAL THEORY, WAY OF LIFE etc


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The Christianity of Jesus Christ was not meant to be a universal religion. Though as far as its fundamental teachings were concerned, the religion of Jesus was not different from Islam, yet it did not contain complete guidance for all aspects of human life and for all nations and ages. During the countless centuries of human history, when the different races of mankind were living in more or less complete isolation and there were no swift means of communication between the nations, God was sending different prophets to the different nations. Jesus was one of these national prophets. He was the Messiah of the people of Israel. This is what C. J. Cadoux writes about this restricted (national) scope of Jesus’ mission:

"The office of Messiahship with which Jesus believed himself to be invested, marked him out for a distinctly national role: and accordingly we find him more-or-less confining his preaching and healing ministry and that of his disciples to Jewish territory, and feeling hesitant when on one occasion he was asked to heal a Gentile girl. Jesus’ obvious veneration for Jerusalem, the Temple, and the Scriptures indicate the special place which he accorded to Israel in his thinking: and several features of his teaching illustrate the same attitude. Thus, in calling his hearers ‘brothers’ of one another (that is, fellow-Jews) and frequently contrasting their ways with those of ‘the Gentiles’, in defending his cure of a woman on the Sabbath with the plea that she was a ‘daughter of Abraham’ and befriending the tax-collector Zacchacus ‘because he too is a son of Abraham’, and in fixing the number of his special disciples at twelve to match the number of the tribes of Israel – in all this Jesus shows how strongly Jewish a stamp he wished to impress upon his mission" (C. J. Cadoux, The Life of Jesus, pp. 80-81).
Each nation having been separately guided to the truth by the "national" prophets, the time was ultimately ripe in the plan of God to raise the World-Prophet and reveal the Universal Religion. And so, when the world was on the eve of becoming one, God raised the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to represent the essential message of all the prophets, shorn of all that was of temporary or limited nature and purged of all the later accretions and misinterpretations. He amalgamated the religious traditions of the different nations into a single universal faith and brought together the people of all races and lands in a single worldwide brotherhood. He gave the world the perfect religion and a complete code of life for all mankind.

To establish the truth of his religion, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not resort to miracles, which may win over the few who witness them but fail to carry conviction to those of subsequent generations. The appeal of his religion is to the reason and conscience of man. To carry the truth home to us he draws our attention to the phenomena and laws of nature, the lessons of history, and the teachings and experiences of prophets of various nations. There is nothing in Islam which is of significance or value only to the people of a particular region or age. The Qur’an enjoins nothing which is not uniformly inspiring and edifying to the people of all lands and does not provide adequate guidance to man in all stages of a changing and advancing society. It meets the religious, spiritual, moral and social needs of all nations and ages. The teachings of Islam are of universal nature.

In considering the proposition that Islam and not Christianity is the universal religion, readers must bear the following facts in mind:

+ The mission of Jesus was for the people of Israel alone, but the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came with God’s message for the whole of mankind. Jesus clearly stated:
"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel" (Matthew 15:24).
He chose twelve special disciples to match the number of the tribes of Israel and he expressly told them:

"Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the House of Israel" (Matthew 10:5-6).
On the other hand, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) from the very beginning of his ministry addressed himself to the entire humanity. It was revealed to him:

We have not sent you (O Muhammad) but as a mercy to all the nations (21:07), and: Say (O Muhammad): O mankind, surely I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, of Him, Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. There is no god but He (7:158).
+ Christianity believes that the people of Israel are God’s Chosen People. God has sent His prophets and revealed books to them alone. The Christians accept only the prophets of Israel. All other claimants to prophethood they regard either as self-deluded or as impostors. But Islam says that it would be a denial of the universal providence of God to say that prophets were raised in one nation only. According to the Holy Qur’an, God is the Lord and Cherisher of all the worlds. He has not discriminated between nations in sending down His revelations. He has raised prophets with His messages among all the peoples of the globe. The same religion was revealed to people all over the world through different prophets. The Holy Qur’an says:

To every nation was sent a Messenger (10:47).
Surely We have sent you (O Muhammad) with the Truth as a bearer of good news and a warner. And there is not a people but a warner has gone among them (35:24).

The same religion has He established for you (O mankind) as that which He enjoined on Noah – and that which He enjoined on Abraham and Moses and Jesus. So, you should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein (42:13).

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had come to complete, not to abolish or destroy, the work of the earlier prophets. He told his followers to have faith in the prophets and revealed books of all religions and nations:

Say: We believe in God and in that which has been revealed to us, and in that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the various tribes, and in that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and in that which was give to all the prophets from their Lord; we do not make any distinction between any of them (that is, the prophets) and to Him do we submit (2:136).
And certainly We sent Messengers before you – of them are those We have mentioned to you and of them are those We have not mentioned to you (40:78).

Islam is the consummate form of all religions. By accepting the prophets and scriptures of all religions and nations, Islam declares its faith in the unity and universal providence of God and in the universality of Divine revelation and prophethood, and seeks to unite all mankind in a single all-embracing faith and world-wide brotherhood.

+ Islam, not Christianity, gives complete guidance for all aspects and conditions of life, individual as well as social, national as well as international. Jesus Christ himself admitted that he had not come with the final or complete divine message for mankind, for the time was not then ripe for it:

"I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth" (John 16:12-13).
Five centuries after him, the Spirit of Truth appeared in the person of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to convey the whole truth to mankind. God revealed to him:

This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favour to you and chosen for you Islam as a religion (5:3).
The Holy Prophet (pbuh) is thus the last prophet and the message which he brought from God is the final and complete message for mankind. The reforms that he introduced cover all aspects of life. On the other hand, the mission of Jesus was only for a small nation and limited period. He was the Messiah of the Jews. He introduced reforms in the teachings of the earlier Israelite prophets where he felt such reforms were due. He reinterpreted some of the precepts and commands of Moses to bring them in line with the needs of his age, but others he left as they were. The so-called Old Testament of the Bible advocates massacre, condones polygamy, accepts slavery and orders the burning of witches. Jesus, who had come "not to abolish the law and the prophets but to fulfil them," apparently had no time or opportunity to do away with these evils. For, he said or did nothing to humanise the "Mosaic" laws of war or to abolish slavery or to raise the status of women. He said nothing to abolish or restrict polygamy. The result of this has been, in the words of Bertrand Russell:

"You find as you look around the world that every single bit of progress in humane feeling, every improvement in the criminal law, every step towards the diminution of war, every step towards better treatment of the coloured races, or every mitigation of slavery, every moral progress that there has been in the world, has been consistently opposed by the organized Churches of the world. I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its Churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world" (Why I am Not a Christian, p. 15).
Let us compare some aspects of Islam and Christianity to see why we regard Islam and not Christianity as the perfect religion for all mankind.


Women in Islam and Christianity:

There is nothing in the reported sayings of Jesus which might serve as an incentive to raise the status of women. His whole attitude towards the female sex was one of distrust, as is clear from his treatment of his own mother. The polemic against the family in the Gospels is a matter that has not received the attention that it deserves.

St. Paul, who is the real founder of Christianity, regarded woman primarily as the temptress; he thought of her mainly as the inspirer of impure lusts. He laid the entire blame for the fall of man and genesis of sin on woman. In his Epistles, which are included in the Bible as holy scripture, he wrote:

"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor" (1 Timothy 2: 11-14).
"For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels" (1 Corinthians 11: 8-10).

"Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its saviour. As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands" (Ephesians 5:22-24).

The combined influence of the Old Testament writings, and of the Epistles of Paul in the New Testament (both of which are included in the Holy Bible), was shown in those fierce invectives against woman which form so conspicuous and so grotesque a portion of the writings of the Christian Fathers and saints – of which the following is a fair sample:

"Women, you are the devil’s doorway. You have led astray one whom the devil would not dare attack directly. It is your fault that the Son of God had to die; you should always go in mourning and in rags" (Tertullian).
"Adam was led to sin by Eve and not Eve by Adam. It is just and right that woman accept as Lord and Master him whom she led to sin" (St. Ambrose).

"Among all savage beasts none is found so harmful as woman (St. John Chrysostom).

(Simone do Beauvour, Nature of he Second Sex, pp. 121-122.)

Woman had no separate identity, no legal status, in Christianity. In England, which was the most advanced Christian country, "up till the 1st of January 1883, it was true to state that, as a general rule, the contract of a married woman was void." She could not sue or be sued apart from her husband. The Married Woman’s Property Act, giving her the right to possess property in her own name, was passed in England as late as 1882.

As regards marriage, the teaching of Christianity has been, and still is, that celibacy is best. "To the unmarried and the widows I say," writes St. Paul, "that it is well for them to remain single as I do. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion" (1 Corinthian, 7:8-9). It was in the same spirit that St. Jerome wrote: "Let us take axe in hand and cut of at the roots the fruitless tree of marriage." Nevertheless, the Bible has nowhere made polygamy unlawful for the average Christian believer. (See John Milton, A Treatise on Christian Doctrine.)

When we turn from Christianity to Islam, we find that the Qur’an clears woman of he responsibility for the fall of Adam and vindicates her honour and dignity. It raises the status of woman to make her man’s equal. Islam gave woman the same rights as those of man:

And women have rights similar to those against them in a just manner (2:228).
The modern man recognises that there can be no true freedom and dignity without economic rights. Fourteen hundred years ago Islam gave woman the right to inherit the property of her father and husband and to acquire, own and dispose of wealth as she liked. The Qur’an says:

For men is a share of what the parents and the near relatives leave, and for women a share of what the parents and the near relatives leave, whether it be little or much – an appointed share (4:7).
In marriage, woman is considered by Islam to be an equal and free partner. Marriage in Islam is a sacred contract between a man and a woman and the consent of both parties has to be taken before marriage can take place. The Qur’an describes woman as the companion of her husband – an object of love and source of peace and solace to him, as he to her:

And of His signs is this, that He created mates for you from yourselves that you might find quiet of mind in them, and He put between you love and compassion. Surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect (30:21).
Islam is the first religion to put restriction on polygamy. It allows a man to marry more than one wife in rare circumstances and under conditions which make it a well nigh impossibility. It says:

If you will not do justice then marry only one (4:3).
And a little later it adds:

You cannot do justice between wives, even though you wish it (4:129).
From this it is clear that Islam disallows polygamy to men in normal circumstances. However, in abnormal circumstances, as after a devastating war, in which numerous men have died, leaving behind homeless widows and orphans and an excess of female population – Islam allows conditional and limited polygamy. It does this to provide homes to homeless women, to protect them from being exploited by men, and to save society from moral corruption.

To impress upon his followers the exalted position of the mother and sacredness and dignity of womanhood, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) declared:

"Paradise lies at the feet of the mother."
He said:

"Women are the twin-halves of men,"
and that men and women are made of the same essence and have the same soul. Islam makes no distinction between them as regards their intellectual, moral and spiritual capabilities and rewards:

The believers, men and women, are friends one of another. They enjoin good and forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and obey God and His Messenger. As for these, God will have mercy on them. Surely God is Mighty, Wise (9:71).
Whoever does good, whether male or female, and has faith, We shall certainly make him (or her) live a good life, and We shall certainly give them their reward for the best of what they did (16:97).

Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women, and the humble men and the humble women, and the charitable men and the charitable women, the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their chastity and the women who guard, and the men who remember God much and the women who remember – God has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward (33:35).


Elimination of Slavery:

Jesus said or did nothing to emancipate slaves or to improve their lot. In the Bible (in both the Old and the New Testaments) slaves are told to completely submit themselves to their masters and to remain content with their lot, however miserable:

"Servants (that is, slaves), be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to the kind and gentle but also to the overbearing. For one is approved if, mindful of God, he endures pain while suffering unjustly" (1 Peter, 2:18).
Christianity failed utterly to abolish slavery or to alleviate its evils. The Church itself held slaves and recognised in explicit terms the lawfulness of this baneful institution. Under its influence, the highly cultured Christians of America practised the cruellest inhumanities upon the unfortunate beings whom they held as slaves and shed torrents of blood for the maintenance of the curse of slavery in their midst.

The first religion to improve the condition of slaves and to take steps for the total abolition of slavery is Islam. To begin with, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) made kind and brotherly treatment of slaves obligatory on the Muslims. They were to be considered as members of one’s family:

"Your slaves are your brothers. So if any one of you happens to have a slave, let him give him the same food that he himself eats, and the same clothing that he himself wears. And do not give them such work as is beyond their power to perform; and if you ever happen to give them such work, you should help them in doing it" (Maulana Muhammad Ali, A Manual of Hadith).
The following are just two of the many verses of the Qur’an exhorting men to emancipate slaves:

And what will make you comprehend what the uphill road is? It is to free a slave, or to feed in a day of hunger an orphan nearly related, or the poor man lying in the dust. Then he is of those who believe and exhort one another to mercy (90:12-17).
It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards the East and the West, but righteous is the one who believes in God, and the Last Day…and gives away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask and to set slaves free…(2:177)

The institution of slavery being opposed to the Islamic teaching of the equality and dignity of men, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) prohibited the taking of fresh slaves in very strong words:

"God says, There are three persons whose adversary in dispute I shall be on the Day of Judgement: a person who makes a promise in My name then acts unfaithfully, a person who enslaves a free person, sells him and devours his price, and a person who employs a man to do a work and exacts full work from him but does not pay him his full remuneration."
Finally, came the categorical command of God not only to emancipate slaves, but also to give them a part of one’s wealth to rehabilitate them:

And those of your slaves who ask for a writing of freedom, give them the writing, if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of God which He has given you (24:33).


Islamic Political Theory:

Islam does not only aim at transforming the outlook and character of the individual and guiding him in his private life, but it also seeks to build a social order founded on the principles of freedom, equality, justice and peace. "While Christianity," writes Dr. W. Cantwell Smith, "in recent years has moved towards a social gospel, Islam has been a social gospel from the start."

Jesus Christ is reported to have said: "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s (Matthew 22:21). The result of the separation of religion and politics in Christianity has been the growth of Machiavellism in the West. In Islam, there is no dichotomy between the temporal and the spiritual. Being the last revealed religion and foreseeing the eventual evolution of humanity, Islam has formulated a basic code of comprehensive guidance for mankind in all their activities and relations, whether they fall within the public or the private sphere. Islam ensures justice and social and international harmony by regulating the political, economic and international affairs according to the laws of God and morality and by defining the basic duties of the State and of one state towards another state. It laws down some basic political, social and economic principles which every community is enjoined to adopt and them gives each the liberty to develop its structure according to the needs of the age, provided this superstructure observes the basic principles and remains within their scope.

The constitution of the Islamic state rests on the following fundamental principles:

The Sovereignty belongs to God alone. To God alone belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that lies between them (5:120), says the Qur’an. The concept of human sovereignty is completely absent in the political philosophy of Islam. People in the Islamic State are free from subjection to any human being, because their government is the government of law and they are subjects of God alone. There is no room in Islam for Kingship or dictatorship. There is no ruler and no ruled. Everyone is free within the limits of Divine law. Freedom of expression and liberty of conscience are the cornerstones of Islamic polity.
The right to legislate also belongs basically to God. He says: Surely We have revealed this Book to you with truth that you may judge between people by the Law that God has given you (4:104). Muslims are of course free to frame new laws for meeting the exigencies of new situations, but the new laws should be in conformity with the Divine guidance contained in the Qur’an.
Man is God’s caliph (vicegerent). There is only one Sovereign (that is, God) and all human beings are His vicegerents. A society in which every man is a vicegerent of God, and an equal participant in this caliphate (vicegerency), cannot tolerate any class distinction based on race, caste, colour, creed or birth. All human beings enjoy equal status and are equal before the law. They have equal political rights and share equally in the running of the State. In the Islamic State, no one, not even the head of the State, is above the law. The same applies to all and for the breach of any law even the head of the State can be summoned in the court and punished, if found guilty.
The authority of power to administer the affairs of the State is a trust of the people and not the birthright of anyone. The Qur’an says:

Surely God commands you to give over the trusts to those worthy of them, and that when you judge between people, you judge with justice (4:58).
The concept of trust brings in automatically the concept of accountability, because a trustee appointed by the people has to render account to those by whom he is appointed. As the head of the State and all other State officers and administrators are appointed by the people and are trustees, they can also be removed by the people, if the people find that they are not conducting the affairs of the state in accordance with the commandments of God and in the best interests of the people.

All affairs of the State must not only be regulated in accordance with the laws of the Qur’an, but also conducted democratically by mutual consultation through a parliament elected on the basis of universal franchise. Says the Qur’an:
And those who respond to the Lord and keep up prayer and whose government is by consent among themselves and who spend on others out of what God has given them (42:38).
So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult them upon the conduct of affairs. And when you are resolved, then put your trust in God. Surely God loves those who trust in Him (3:158).

The objectives of the Islamic State are to maintain internal order, ward off external aggression, establish absolute justice for all citizens, do all that lies in its power and employ all means and media for the establishment of "all that is right" and the elimination of "all that is wrong", and organize institutions for spiritual and social welfare, economic well-being and intellectual development of all citizens.
The final picture, therefore, that emerges is that an Islamic State is an ideological state set up by the will of the people in a constitutional manner following the democratic principle of decision-making in which every citizen has an equal right to participate and governance is a trust which has to be regulated on he principles of equality, liberty and fraternity enunciated in the Qur’an with absolute fairness and impartiality, without giving any preference to anyone, for the welfare of the entire community and in such a manner that the basic needs of all are satisfied and everyone enjoys equality of opportunity without distinction of race, colour, birth or rank.


The Economics of Islam:

Islam is opposed to monasticism and otherworldliness. It regards the economic activity of man as quite lawful, rewarding, and even obligatory. It approves of the economic progress of man. Notwithstanding all this, Islam does not consider the economic activity to be the main problem of man, nor does it view economic progress as the be-all or summum bonum of human life. When wealth is sought for its own sake and by any and every means and the true goal of life is forgotten, then economic activity becomes sinful and wealth an allurement or delusion of this world’s life. Islam severely condemns the tendency to give importance to people on the basis of their property and status. The mark of a man’s worth, it says, is not his wealth, but his greater humanity, character and integrity. Above all, in the pursuit of livelihood, man must all the time keep in mind the distinction between right and wrong and never lose sight of the higher values of life.

Islam considers God to be the Absolute Owner of all wealth. Men are only trustees. They can keep and make use of their honestly acquired property only if by their doing so the interests of other individuals and of the society as a whole are not unjustly affected and if their economic activities are carried on within the limits prescribed by God.

Islam regards all forms of unearned income as unlawful. According to the Qur’an, Man shall have only that for which he works and makes effort (53:39). It upholds the dignity of labour. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

"No one eats better food than that which he eats out of the work of his own hands."
There is nothing more reprehensible in the sight of God than the exploitation of man by man. Islam severely condemns profiteering, black-marketing, hoarding, speculation, gambling, manufacture and sale of goods that are harmful to man, and all such practices by which a man takes undue advantage of the needs of others. It is opposed to the formation of cartels and monopolies and takes necessary measures to prevent the concentration of wealth in few hands. It wants the wealth of a nation to be fairly and equitably distributed among all the citizens, so that it may not circulate only among the rich of you (59:7).

Most important of all, Islam interdicts riba. That is, the practice of investing or lending money with a view to increasing it by exploiting others or by appropriating to oneself the fruits of the labour of others, without employing one’s own physical and mental powers to productive or creative use. Says the Qur’an:

O you who believe, devour not riba (interest, usury, surplus value), doubling and redoubling, and keep your duty to God, that you may be successful (3:129).
Those who swallow riba (the fruits of the labour of others) cannot arise except as he arises whom the devil prostrates by his touch (2:275).

And whatever you lay out at riba (that is, invest or lend money with the intention of multiplying it by exploiting others), so that it may increase in the property of men, it increases not with God; and whatever you give in charity, desiring God’s pleasure – these will get manifold (30:39).

On the one hand, Islam is against hoarding, miserliness and avarice, and, on the other, it censures squandering of wealth on vanities and luxuries and all forms of wasteful expenditure. It requires every man to be personally responsible for the well-being of the society. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) said:

"He is not a Muslim who eats his fill and leaves his neighbour hungry."
In order to reduce inequality and make sure that everyone gets the basic necessities and has equal opportunities in life, Islam imposes a tax, called zakat, on the capital of the rich for the benefit of the poor and the needy. Moreover, it repeatedly exhorts men to spend generously out of what God has given them to help the less fortunate and for the welfare of the society. The wealth that a man has earned is not absolutely his. It is a trust with him from God. He has acquired it by employing his God-given faculties and talents and by the aid and facilities provided by the society. He must repay his debt to the society and spend as much as possible, out of what he has honestly earned by his own labour, in the way of God.


Religious Freedom:

Just as Islam has made the State subject to the same ethical principles as govern individuals and has brought international relations within the scope of morality, making the subjugation and exploitation of one nation by another as reprehensible as the subjugation and exploitation of one man by another, in the same way, Islam has ordained justice, equality, freedom and mutual respect between one religion and another. In the Islamic social order all individuals and religious communities are free to follow the religion of their own choice. No individual or religious community has the right to impose its own beliefs on other or to restrict in any way the profession, preaching and practice by others of the religion which appeals to them. Says the Qur’an:

There is no compulsion in religion (2:256).
The fact is that Islam not only preaches toleration but it also enjoins upon its followers equal faith in the founders of all the great religions of the world. It invites people of all religions to join Muslims in forming a league of Faiths to uphold the principles of the unity of God, moral integrity and the brotherhood of man.

In Muslim countries, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and Zoroastrians have enjoyed the freedom which, till recently, was totally denied to non-Christians in Christendom.


Knowledge and Science:

After careful study of the histories of Islam and Christianity, Canon Isaac Taylor came to the conclusion that "Islam has done more for civilization than Christianity." While the Muslims rose to the pinnacle of learning and culture in a few decades after the promulgation of Islam, the Christians remained steeped in ignorance for more than a thousand years. It is a fact that the people of Europe came out of the Dark Ages and made progress in science and learning only after the hold of Christianity over their minds and lives had considerably weakened. Whatever little education there was in Christian Europe during the Dark Ages, it was confined to the priests. The laymen had to blindly accept whatever they were told by the Church and were not allowed to use their intellect or judgement. Whenever anyone conceived a new idea or propounded a new theory, he was condemned by the Church as a heretic and subjected to inhuman tortures, which often ended in his being burnt alive. Professor J.B. Bury writes:

"Doctrines and implications in Christianity, forming a solid rampart against the advance of knowledge, blocked the paths of science in the Middle Ages and obstructed its progress till the latter half of the nineteenth century. In every important field of scientific research, the ground was occupied by false views which the Church declared to be true on the infallible authority of the Bible" (A History of Freedom of Thought, pp. 46-47).
The Christian emerged from the night of ignorance and superstition only when the light of learning from the Muslim universities penetrated the darkness of Europe and led to the Renaissance.

"It is to the Mussalman [i.e., Muslim] science, to Mussalman art, to Mussalman literature that Europe has been in great measure indebted for its extrication from the darkness of the Middle Ages" (Marquies of Dufferin and Ava, Speeches Delivered in India, p. 24).
Islam, unlike Christianity, makes the acquisition of knowledge and exercise of reason a duty of the believers. Said the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh):

"The acquisition of knowledge is a duty incumbent on every Muslim, male and female."
"Go in quest of knowledge even unto China."

"The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr."

"God has not created anything better than reason, or anything more perfect or more beautiful than reason. The benefits which God gives are on its account and understanding is by it, and God’s wrath is caused by the disregard of it."

(Al-Suhrawardy (translator), The Sayings of Muhammad, Wisdom of the East Series)

The Qur’an repeatedly exhorts the believers to observe and investigate the phenomena of nature:

In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day, and the ships that run in the sea with that which profits men, and the water that God sends down from the sky, then gives life therewith to the earth after its death and spreads in it all kinds of animals, and the changing of the winds and the clouds made subservient between heaven and earth, there are surely signs for a people who understand (2:164).
Islam gives the greatest possible impetus to scientific research by declaring that all that is in the heavens and the earth is subservient to man, and that it is man’s duty to control and harness the forces of nature for the benefit of the human race:

And He has made subservient to you the night and the day and the sun and the moon. And the stars are made subservient by His command. Surely there are signs in this for a people who understand (16:12).
The result of these teachings was that all over the Islamic world outstanding centres of learning sprang up in no time and produced great scientists and scholars. There is no branch of learning to which Muslims did not make valuable contribution. But more important than their contribution to particular branches of science, according to Rober Briffault, is their invention of the scientific method itself. He writes:

"It is highly probable that but for the Arabs, modern European civilization would never have assumed that character which has enabled it to transcend all previous phases of evolution. For although there is not a single aspect of human growth in which the decisive influence of Islamic culture is not traceable, nowhere is it so clear and momentous as in the genesis of that power which constitutes the paramount distinctive force of the modern world and the supreme source of its victory – the natural science and the scientific spirit…. Science owes its very existence to Arabic culture….What we call science arose in Europe as a result of a new spirit of inquiry, of new methods of experiment, observation, measurement, of the development of mathematics in a form unknown to the Greeks. That spirit and those methods were introduced into the European world by the Arabs" (Making of Humanity, pp. 190-191).

The Brotherhood of Man:

The Islamic belief in the oneness of humanity is the effect which naturally follows from the doctrine of the oneness of God. All men are the creatures of one God: they are equal and together form a single brotherhood. Mankind is a single nation (2:213), says the Qur’an. The differences of race, colour, language, culture, creed, wealth and sex are all superficial; they do not affect the fundamental unity and equality of all human beings. Says the Qur’an:

O mankind, surely We have created you male and female and made you nations and tribes that you may know each other. Surely the noblest of you with God is the best in conduct. Surely God is Knowing, Aware (49:13).
In his famous Farewell Sermon, the Holy Prophet (pbuh) declared:

"No Arab has any superiority over a non-Arab, and no non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; no white man has any superiority over a black man, and no black man has any superiority over a white man. The criterion of superiority in the sight of God is greater piety and righteousness."
Never in their long history have Muslims in any part of the world been guilty of racial discrimination, colour or apartheid. According to the famous historian Arnold Toynbee:

"The extinction of race consciousness as between Muslims is one of the outstanding achievements of Islam, and in the contemporary world there is, as it happens, a crying need for the propagation of this Islamic virtue (Civilization on Trial, p. 205).
Nor does Islam recognise the distinction between the so-called clergy and laity, which is a prominent feature of other religions. There is no priesthood in Islam.

The Qur’an enjoins love and sympathy among human beings and unites them as brothers. It says:

And hold fast by the covenant of God all together and be not disunited. And remember God’s favour to you when you were enemies, then He united your hearts, so by His favour you became brethren. And you were on the brink of a pit of fire, then He saved you from it. Thus God makes clear to you His messages that you may be guided (3:102).
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

"All God’s creatures are His family, and he is the most beloved of God who tries to do the greatest good to God’s creatures."
Thus it will be seen that Islam gives guidance regarding many matters about which Christianity is silent. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) completed what was left incomplete by Jesus. Islam is the true religion of Jesus, revived by a fresh revelation and perfected to cover all aspects of human life and to provide guidance to men of all times and all nations. It is, in short, the Universal Religion. It does not only respond to man’s devotional urges but to human life as a whole. It does not only give an infallible metaphysics, but also a comprehensive and sublime code of individual and social ethics, a sound economic system, a just political ideology, and may other things besides. It is not a solitary star, but a whole solar system, encompassing the whole and illuminating the whole.

Nwando, pilgrims, your attention is needed asap . Did you see those contradictions, oya begin dey disect those posts.

Stay blessed as you reply the posts.

Nwando, pilgrims, your attention is needed asap . Oya begin dey disect the post.

Stay blessed as you reply the post .

babs787:





Nwando, pilgrims, your attention is needed asap . Oya begin dey disect the post.

Stay blessed as you reply the post .

No need to be alarmist. Perhaps the gentleman don maselo has to sit down and reflect on the slice of "accuracy" often pandered about in Islam by chewing slowly on these two questions:

(a) which 'Bible' did Muhammad read during his time?

(b) in spite of the "accuracy" of Islam, what has he got to say on the following:


#1. Which is the greater/greatest sin in Islam - to join partners with 'Allah' (shirk), or to forget any verse of the Qur'an?

Sunan Abu-Dawud, Bk 2, #0461: || 'Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The rewards of my people were presented before me, so much so that even the reward for removing a mote by a person from the mosque was presented to me. The sins of my people were also presented before me. I did not find a sin greater than that of a person forgetting the Qur'anic chapter or verse memorised by him.

Qur'an 4:48: || "Surely Allah does not forgive that anything should be associated with Him, and forgives what is besides that to whomsoever He pleases; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he devises indeed a great sin."

Comparing these two texts above, does it not convey the understanding that forgetting any verse or chapter of the Qur'an is a greater sin than joining partners with "Allah" (shirk)??

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#2. Did Muhammad commit the greater sin between the two great sins?

Malik's Muwatta Bk. 4, #4.1.2: || Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "I forget or I am made to forget so that I may establish the sunna."

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#3. What is the punishment for anyone who ever forgot any chapter or verse of the Qur'an?

Sunan Abu-Dawud Bk. 8, #1469: || Narrated Sa'd ibn Ubadah: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: No man recites the Qur'an, then forgets it, but will meet Allah on the Day of Judgment in a maimed condition (or empty-handed, or with no excuse).

When he said above: "No man", does that include Muhammad himself, (as it is clear that he, too, forgot some verses of the Qur'an)??

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#4. Now, who actually makes Muhammad or Muslims to forget the Qur'an??

Sahih Bukhari Book 61, # 550: || Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, "It is a bad thing that some of you say, 'I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur'an,' for indeed, he has been caused (by Allah) to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur'an because it escapes from the hearts of men faster than camel do."

Sahih Bukhari Book 61, # 559: || Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, "Why does anyone of the people say, 'I have forgotten such-and-such Verses (of the Qur'an)?' He, in fact, is caused (by Allah) to forget."

Do you care to simply address these issues as you frantically seek another website to plagiarize, hmm?

@don maselo,

don maselo:

This is what C. J. Cadoux writes about this restricted (national) scope of Jesus’ mission:

Okay, we hear. For starters, anyone can see that obviously plagiarize the material you reposted here. See, for example: (http://aaiil.org/text/articles/light/islamuniversalreligion.shtml). The problem is that you simply ferreted just about anything you could find to discredit Christianity without so much as applying a bit of common sense.

Quite often I like to simply allow plagiarists to fool around for a while whenever they cop out the illiterate articles of quibblers who obviously haven't checked out the facts before posting them. Take, for example, most of the quibblers in your plagiarized materials have been loosed up a bit, as you may care to read from this site: [url=http://www.afn.org/~afn52344/resexalt.html]http://www.afn.org/~afn52344/resexalt.html[/url]. There you will find that the oft quoted C. J. Cadoux is not a scholar by any standard; and I'll give you an example of what to reflect on in the following excerpt:

[list]
"How can we know for sure the tomb was empty, though. Some skeptics are not convinced. They claim the apostles preached the resurrection of Jesus without ever investigating the tomb. For example, Cadoux argues:

[list]
Once the disciples were convinced by the visions they had had that Jesus was alive and active despite His death on the cross, their belief that His tomb must therefore be empty would follow inevitably as the night the day, whether there was any actual evidence for it or not (C. J. Cadoux, The Historic Mission of Jesus (1941), p. 284; cited by F. F. Bruce, The Spreading Flame (Reprint: Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1970), pp. 61-62.[/list]

What Cadoux is saying is that the disciples became convinced, whether by imagination or hallucination, that Jesus was alive. They then began to talk about how real his presence seemed among them. Soon they began to preach that he was alive, resurrected even, without checking the tomb to see if it was empty.

This denial of the resurrection, though, is pitifully weak in dealing with the facts. It involves many errors of reasoning. It does not explain the actions of the soldiers who guarded the tomb of Jesus. These soldiers would be diligent in keeping their duty. A failure in duty could mean the life of a soldier during those days. When they awoke and discovered the absence of the body of Jesus, they were terrified. They went and told the chief priests and elders. Money was then paid to these men to lie: "Tell people, 'His disciples came by night and stole him away while we were asleep'" (Mat. 28:13). If the body of Jesus was not missing from the tomb, why would they have bothered to tell such a lie. It put their own lives in danger. If the body of Jesus was still in his tomb, why did they not simply display it to discredit the apostles' claims?
"[/list]

Dear don maselo, since you're one of the celebrated 'plagiarists' on Nairaland without carefully checking the facts before posting, perhaps you need to be careful whose articles you celebrate so that we don't mistake you for what you did not choose for yourself.

Don Maselo, you dont understand english. You started this with the statement "post with proves" . . . all you did was "copy and paste with proves".

This is an islamic gimmick, recycle someone else's desperate garble that you dont understand anyway, make it incredibly long knowing that very few will be bothered to read thru and reply then like babs787, gloat about having been able to pull a fast one on the christians.

But just in case someone (like pilgrim.1) is patient enough to tear your "contradictions" to shreds, go copy and paste more, cry that they have not been answered, recycle a few more then promptly disappear when your dishonesty is exposed.

really funny i can't help it not laughing hard!!

i haven't laugh real hard so far today until now. you fit kill person with laugh honestly david!! i no fit talk 

davidylan:

Don Maselo, you don't understand english. You started this with the statement "post with proves" . . . all you did was "copy and paste with proves".

This is an islamic gimmick, recycle someone else's desperate garble that you don't understand anyway, make it incredibly long knowing that very few will be bothered to read through and reply then like babs787, gloat about having been able to pull a fast one on the christians.
But just in case someone (like pilgrim.1) is patient enough to tear your "contradictions" to shreds, go copy and paste more, cry that they have not been answered, recycle a few more then promptly disappear when your dishonesty is exposed.

davidylan:

This is an islamic gimmick, recycle someone else's desperate garble that you don't understand anyway, make it incredibly long knowing that very few will be bothered to read through and reply then like babs787, gloat about having been able to pull a fast one on the christians.

But just in case someone (like pilgrim.1) is patient enough to tear your "contradictions" to shreds, go copy and paste more, cry that they have not been answered, recycle a few more then promptly disappear when your dishonesty is exposed.

Hmmn . . . . . that description fits someone i know from another recent thread to the letter
methinks the gimmick (or is it 'syndrome') goes beyond just being islamic though - maybe just in origin - in my experience, it seems to plague some other not-well-characterized, nevertheless non-islamic, bible-bashing species .

Since the Quran is a Book. and the Bible is also a book.

THE QURAN AND THE BIBLE IS NOT THE SAME.

In fact the Quran is a the greatest religious frauds that was ever orchestrated by the Prince of the Air (Beelzebub). Many are deceived and are trained to be deceiving other.

The theme of the Quran is LIE.

@pilgrim1
you have missed it   
Disscuss what the poster said, don't divert to another
You can create another thread for that and it will be tackled ,

All you wrote about forgetting a Verse of the Quran is pure nonsense.
Quote a Quranic verse that you will be purnished for not remembering a verse of the Quran, then i will have time for you.

@davidylan,

davidylan:

Don Maselo, you don't understand english. You started this with the statement "post with proves" . . . all you did was "copy and paste with proves".

Lol. . . don't give him such a hard time! Common sense is not an essential commodity among these folks.

davidylan:

This is an islamic gimmick, recycle someone else's desperate garble that you don't understand anyway, make it incredibly long knowing that very few will be bothered to read through and reply then like babs787, gloat about having been able to pull a fast one on the christians.

Hehe. . . that has been the worn-out antics they were schooled to employ in "discussing" such matters as don maselo attempted. He was simply captivated by the gimmicks where quibblers tried to pull a fast one; but as is often the case, when Christians reply, you no go see dem again lai-lai!

davidylan:

But just in case someone (like pilgrim.1) is patient enough to tear your "contradictions" to shreds, go copy and paste more, cry that they have not been answered, recycle a few more then promptly disappear when your dishonesty is exposed.

Actually I no get time to tear their obvious contradictions to shreds. My style is often to tease them to wipe their spectacles clean so that they can begin to see road; and when they still cry 'blind man on the highway', that's when I holla for them not to stand in front of a Greyhound Bus!

Oga @ricadelide,

ricadelide:

Hmmn . . . . . that description fits someone i know from another recent thread to the letter
methinks the gimmick (or is it 'syndrome') goes beyond just being islamic though - maybe just in origin - in my experience, it seems to plague some other not-well-characterized, nevertheless non-islamic, bible-bashing species .

I dig your coded message! We know see the bobo again O!

@mdsocks,

mdsocks:

@pilgrim1
you have missed it

Oh, really?

mdsocks:

Disscuss what the poster said, don't divert to another
You can create another thread for that and it will be tackled

Rubbish. Please don't humour me this afternoon with the usual Islamic blind reading. If I diverted into something else and not what the OP plagiarized and reposted here, what then do you make of the fact that I addressed the issue of C. J. Cadoux's ribald scholarship? Did you miss that in order to come here with your bloviates about any attempts to divert to something other than the OP posted?

If you have any problems carefully reading issues, please address the point I offered about C. J. Cadoux, thank you. I posted that reply after the initial one; so where's the "diversion" of the thread?

This is often the games you guys play. Just because pilgrim.1 has noted that your voodoo of deflecting the topics of thread does not work on me, we no go hear word again! Every now and then, you now sing that same tune that I'm trying to "divert" threads, perhaps hoping your noise would calm your dread against the FACTS you read.

No vex, but I'm on course - did don maselo post quotes from C. J. Cadoux in his plagiarized materials? Then go back and read carefully to see that indeed I also responded to that! Otherwise, ask the OP to summarize his views, bring forth his own original thoughts, present them intelligently, and we shall have a few lines more for you.

mdsocks:

All you wrote about forgetting a Verse of the Quran is pure nonsense.

No worries, as the wahala is not mine. Unless you're trying so hard to confirm that the books from which they were quoted (the Qur'an and Hadiths) are "pure nonsense", I would advise you to please open your eyes and read carefully next time before blathering your bloopers. Please go back and check the quotes - they were taken from the Qur'an (Sura 4:48) and several Hadiths; and I'm sure you were not referring to those revered books of Islam the way you spouted in your quote above.

mdsocks:

Quote a Quranic verse that you will be purnished for not remembering a verse of the Quran then i will have time for the jargon you wrote.

You're such a waste! What exactly is wrong with the verses quoted from the Hadiths?

The problem with you guys is that you're ready to deny everything in Islam whenever they're brought to public attention. If the Hadiths are quoted, then 'NO, quote a Quranic verse'; and if the Qur'an is quoted, nobody reads from you before you scoot off in search of plagiarized materials to litter the Forum with - often, materials that say next to nothing for many pages running.

Now, dear mdsocks, could you just be a gentleman and let us know what your headaches are with regards to quoting from the Hadiths? They may be "pure nonsense" to you; but they certainly are not so to the multiplied millions of Muslim who read them and affirm that they are "sahih" Hadiths (i.e., "authentic" hadiths).

For now, please grow up and speak some English.

Cheers.

@don maselo,

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for your answers to the two questions I offered you earlier. I hope you didn't grow cold feet for not finding materials on the web to plagiarize as a fresh post in reply? When you do, please ensure that they are dealing with the same topic of the thread you started here.

Initially, I had thought not to waste time trying to set you straight on your wasted efforts here - you do well. But since davidylan has hinted that pilgrim.1 might just try and take your piece apart and loosen you up a bit, perhaps I might spend the few minutes of my break doing just that.

As we keep our fingers crossed for you on these matters, I'd like to first point out the dubious disclaimer you posted at the beginning:

don maselo:

COMPARISON BETWEEN THE BIBLE AND QURAN WITH PROVES .NO SCRUNITY PLEASE>POST WITH PROVES.EG ERRORS, POLICTICAL THEORY, WAY OF LIFE etc

What did you mean by "no scru[u]nit[/u]y" (or was that supposed to be "scru[u]tin[/u]y"? In other words we were supposed to have read your endless reposted material with eyes closed - the same way most Muslims read issues at the top of their eyebrows?

Now, perhaps you had imagined to just come here and plaster the OP and scoot off in the hope that nobody would have the time to "carefully examine" them. . . but not many of us are fooled by your trademark antics. The basic meaning of "scrutiny" is to have a close examination or critical observation of something - and that's what we really should be doing here so you don't run away through the backdoor.

You should rather have presented something of your own, like I hinted somewhere else, so that we don't mistake you for what you did not choose for yourself! We've tried to be slow in surmmizing that you've failed to apply a bit of common sense in your posts; but the evidence keep leading in that direction.

@don maselo,

All the same, let me help you again to see another otiose attempt by your celebrated scholars to spout out what they don't know. Basically, the marathon-length article you ferreted from whereever could be surmarized as to a few premises of the author(s):

[list]1. They try to falsify Christianity and the Bible on the basis of selective quotes while disregarding others - a worn-out device of dishonest debaters;

2. The presumption that readers would be too lazy to check the references quoted in the articles;

3. The attempts at misrepresenting the Biblical faith on publicly affecting issues while refusing to look objectively at the trends of Islam on the matters discussed.[/list]

Rather than trying to belabour lengthy pages in replying every line of your cheap material, I'd just apply the basic summary above to a few critical highlights of that material. The first one is as regards the authors assertions in  "Women in Islam and Christianity". Let's see these features in your quote:

don maselo:


Women in Islam and Christianity:

There is nothing in the reported sayings of Jesus which might serve as an incentive to raise the status of women. His whole attitude towards the female sex was one of distrust, as is clear from his treatment of his own mother. The polemic against the family in the Gospels is a matter that has not received the attention that it deserves.

If indeed the author(s) from that quoted are to be celebrated for anything, it would rather be their duplicity and low IQ. Even you, don maselo, would have had to check to see if actually there was "nothing" in Jesus words and "His whole attitude" that would serve to raise the status of women. If "distrust" is the key word that gladdens your heart here, I'd like you to first understand that the writer categorically exposes the hypocrisy in Islam that rejoices at the mockery the the "Jesus" you claim to "love". In which case, we would have to simply take for granted that when Muslims speak of respecting the prophets of Islam (including 'Jesus'), it is all a pretence which in reality says that they "distrust" Him.

Secondly, mr maselo, when you come off your high horse and check the facts for yourself in the Bible, would you refer to the following "attitude" of Jesus towards women as one of "distrust"? Let me share a few examples with you:

[list]
[a] He healed women of their ailments, and comforted them with His gracious words:

Mark 5:34
"And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague."

Luke 8:48
"And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace."


[b] He acknowledged and honoured them for their good deeds done upon Him:

Matthew 26:10 & 13
"When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me. . . Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her."


[c] He forgave, encouraged and inspired them to pursue righteous lives:

John 8:3, 4, 10, 11
"And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. . . When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."


[d] He also protected them from the harsh criticism of religious people:

Luke 7:37, 39, 44, 46, 50
"And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, . .Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner . . And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. . . My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment. . . And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.[/list]


Did you check the Bible for all these matters before you celebrated your reposting of that article denying them? How could anyone read such examples above and then presumptiously assert that: "His whole attitude towards the female sex was one of distrust"? How would Muhammad have treated women who were ridiculed, maligned, socially rejected and scorned by the religious high-class; and more than that, how indeed would Muhammad have responded to the deep needs of women who were suffering serious ailments and heartaches and needed HEALING?

It is quite a hilarious drama to read that your 'scholar' would have deliberately missed all these instances and yet assert dubiously that Jesus' "whole attitude" towards women was one of "distrust"!! Of course, I almost forgot that such celebrated ignoramuses have a difficult time recognizing that Christians are "devoted to learning" (Sura 5:82), and it's often the case that such Muslim apologetics cannot assimilate whatever they assume to have read from the Bible. You for just leave matters wey no concern you jeje.

@don maselo,

I earlier made the point that one of the premises of your scholars is to make selective quotes from the Bible in their attempts to discredit Christianity. For example, they severally assert that Jesus was sent to only the Jews (or 'Israel') rather than to all the world. Let's take a look at some of those selective readings:

don maselo:

The Christianity of Jesus Christ was not meant to be a universal religion.
- -
In considering the proposition that Islam and not Christianity is the universal religion, readers must bear the following facts in mind:

+ The mission of Jesus was for the people of Israel alone, but the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came with God’s message for the whole of mankind. Jesus clearly stated:
"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel" (Matthew 15:24).

In the first place, these authors fail to look at the development of the Mission of the Lord Jesus Christ. He Himself stated that "salvation is of the Jews" (John 4:22), and any objective reader should understand that He necessarily would first go to the Jews before any other nation. The principle runs all through the Bible: "to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile" (cf. Rom. 2:9). This is why Jesus often said He was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matt. 15:24).

Secondly, the prophecies of the OT have long foretold that the Messiah would bring salvation to the entire human race - both Jews and Gentiles. There is an abundance of such promises in the prophets:

[list](1) Genesis 49:10 -- "The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be."

(2) Psalm 2:7 & 8 -- "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession."

(3) Psalm 72:7-11 -- "He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth. They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust. The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts. Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him."

(4) Isaiah 52:10 -- "The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God."

(5) Isaiah 60:3 -- "And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising."[/list]

In all of these prophecies, it is so clear that the Messiah would bring salvation to the ends of the earth - which are affirmations of the world-wide promise God made to all humanity. When therefore Jesus made such statements as in Matthew 15:24, He was not restricting His glorious gift of salvation to merely the Jews; but He had the entire world in view.

@don maselo,

Even Matthew's Gospel that your authors quoted clearly enunciates the fact that the salvation Jesus brought was for the entire world and not confined to only Jews. One instance is Matt. 12:21 - "And in his name shall the Gentiles trust." Other instances confirming this truth run through the other Gospels as well, including:

[list]Matthew 4:14-16 -- "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up."[/list]

There were Gentiles who came seeking the love, grace and mercy of Christ for their deepest needs. Some had critical matters that could not wait, which all waited on His power to save, heal, deliver, and refresh. A few examples of such Gentiles who encountered Him and were blessed tremendously:

[list]
* the Roman centurion, whose servant was healed (Matt. 8:5-13)

* the Syrophecian woman, whose daughter was delivered (Matt. 15:21-28 and Mark 7:25-30)[/list]

Following on from these incidents, we find again in Matthew's Gospel account that Jesus Christ indeed was to offer salvation to the entire human race. His teaching were applicable to every person; as we see in the following verses:

[list]* the warning against blaspheming the Son of Man or blaspheming the Holy Ghost (Matt. 12:31-32)

* the parable of sower, in which He revealed that the Gospel goes out to the world (Matt. 13:37 & 38 - "the field is the world", not just 'Israel')

* His Gospel to be preached in ALL the world: "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come" (Matt. 24:14; see also ch. 26:13)

* after His resurrection, He commissioned the disciples to go and preach the Gospel in all the world: "Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (Matt. 28:19-20)[/list]

The interesting thing to note is that all the above verses are statements made by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, just as your authors had quoted Him in Matthew 15:24. The trademark feature of Muslim apologists is to make selective reading of the Bible and ignore other verses that deflate their presumptions. Did your 'scholars' not see the verses quoted in my rejoinders? Oh, they did; but they rather chose to sweep around them in the hope that lazy readers would simply swallow everything they spurt out without exercising the discipline to check them out. And it is not surprise that you would typically celebrate such illiterate articles!

There's yet one other line I'd like to show you about the sloppy kind of assertions that your 'scholars' are well known for:

don maselo:

He chose twelve special disciples to match the number of the tribes of Israel and he expressly told them: "Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the House of Israel" (Matthew 10:5-6).

Okay, I hear. I've just demonstrated that the Gospel of Christ is for all the world.

Second, your 'scholar' failed to also quote the fact that Jesus chose seventy other disciples as well, as we read in Luke 10:1 --

"After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also,
and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place,
whither he himself would come."

The "Twelve" which He chose did not limit His ministry to merely the "number of the tribes of Israel"; otherwise, your authors would have had to explain the significance of the "Seventy" others which He appointed!

@don maselo,

No vex O. . . just a few other concerns to clarify; and then we shall look with some "scrutiny" at some other mishaps in your 'scholars' articles.

don maselo:

+ Christianity believes that the people of Israel are God’s Chosen People. God has sent His prophets and revealed books to them alone. The Christians accept only the prophets of Israel. All other claimants to prophethood they regard either as self-deluded or as impostors. But Islam says that it would be a denial of the universal providence of God to say that prophets were raised in one nation only. According to the Holy Qur’an, God is the Lord and Cherisher of all the worlds. He has not discriminated between nations in sending down His revelations. He has raised prophets with His messages among all the peoples of the globe. The same religion was revealed to people all over the world through different prophets. The Holy Qur’an says:

To every nation was sent a Messenger (10:47).
Surely We have sent you (O Muhammad) with the Truth as a bearer of good news and a warner. And there is not a people but a warner has gone among them (35:24).

The two issues here are:

(a) "The Christians accept only the prophets of Israel"

(b) God "has not discriminated between nations in sending down His revelations"

Let's look at them more closely.

In the first place, it is not true that Christians "accept" ONLY the prophets of Israel, for the Bible is clear that there were some Gentile prophets as well who were specifically had communed with God. An example is Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor (see Num. 22:5). Although he undeniably had the gift of prophecy and had consulted God Himself (Num. 22:8-12), he was nonetheless a man who abused his gift and became a false prophet who tried to seduce the children of Israel to unbridled idolatry (Num. 31:16) - which resulted in dire consequences for him (Num. 31:8 ).

That God has had prophets to speak at various times to many nations is clear in the NT, including one that is referenced in Tit. 1:12. However, the point is simply that since th Bible makes clear that salvation comes from the Jews (John 4:22), the prophecies of redemptive history was committed unto them.

Secondly, your authors have tried to blame Christians for a discrimination between nations in God's revelation. While this is false and manifesting a queer sort of duplicity, the facts undeniably lead to inference that it is rather Muslims who have carried this discrimination to humongous proportions. Even in the Qur'an, this discrimination is boldly etched in Sura 3:85 which declares:

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam
(submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him;
and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those
who have lost (All spiritual good)."

Not many people actually see these issues; but they can't deny (as your authors tried to cheat others) that indeed Islam is a religion that both discriminates as well as carries their discriminations to extreme proportions. This is why today more and more people are becoming aware of the Islamic belief of such a great gulf which Muslims have established between themselves and non-Muslims - especially in the two ready examples of (a) the "Jizya" or poll-tax imposed on non-Muslims 'until they feel themselves subdued' [Sura 9:29]; and (b) the discrimination between what is known in Islam as "Dar ul-Islam" (land of islam), "Dar ul-Kufr" (land of unbelief), and inbetween which is a war-zone known as "Dar ul-Harb" (land of war).

No matter how much noise Muslim apologists try to offer in DENIAL of their seething discrimination, we continue to see conspicuous manifestations of these baneful practice in Islam. The authors of your article ought to be ashamed of their dishonest 'scholarship' in pretending to see these problems only Christianity rather than in Islam!

@don maselo,

Now, let's revisit the sub-topic of the plagirized article you reposted and then examine the same issue in Islam:

don maselo:


Women in Islam and Christianity:

There is nothing in the reported sayings of Jesus which might serve as an incentive to raise the status of women. His whole attitude towards the female sex was one of distrust, as is clear from his treatment of his own mother. The polemic against the family in the Gospels is a matter that has not received the attention that it deserves.

Having bleached this fallacy earlier, my interest now turns on the first part of the sub-title: "Women in Islam". Your authors falsely asserted that Jesus' "whole attitude" towards women was one of "distrust"; and you could refer to my earlier piece to see how dubious such a claim is.

Nonetheless, we'd like to turn for a moment to Islamic sources to see Muhammad's attitude to women. Don't get nervous. . . I'd simply posts the facts from those sources as well as sample what your Islamic scholars are teachings from those very sources.

Women in Islam

The few basic questions that we should be asking here include how Islam really treats women in terms of the "distrust" that your authors supposedly alleged against Jesus. Laying aside the cosmetic fantasy of Muslim apologetics that attempts to hide the obvious, our gaze will be turned now to some of the grey areas in Islam with regards to women.

If actually Muhammad's religion tried to raise the status of women, what do we then make of the huge fact that Islam openly "distrusts" women? HOW, you may ask? Let's take an example - the issue of sexual sin (or, 'Zina').

How did Jesus treat the woman caught in the very act and was bought to Him (John 8:4)? Without seeking to violate the provisions of the Law, He touched the consciences of the accusers with His powerful word: "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her" (vs. 7). Under such a conviction, none of them dared cast a stone at the woman; they each and all left until she was alone before the Lord Jesus. Frightened as she was, you could imagine her joy and gratitude when she heard His words: "Hath no man condemned thee? . . . Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more" (vs. 10 & 11).

However, we find just about the same scenario where a woman accused of sexual sin was brought to Muhammad. After the facts were presented to him, this was his verdict:

[list]Sura 24:2
"The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment." [Yusuf Ali tr.][/list]

This might seem as if that's all there is to it; but for those who rather prefer the Hilali-Khan translation of the Qur'an, we read the same verse rendered as follows:

[list]Sura 24:2
"The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allâh, if you believe in Allâh and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allâh's Law)"[/list]

The Hilali-Khan translators of the Qur'an believe that "according to Allâh's Law", such persons be stoned (although many Muslims have tried to deny that this practice was actually a core doctrine in Islam). However, those who are interested may want to see the following hadith references which might help shed light on the highlighted part in the above Qur'anic verse in regards to stoning those guilty of 'zina' (illegal sexual relations):

* Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 8, Bk. 82, # 804:
Narrated Ash Shaibani: I asked 'Abdullah bin Abi Aufa,
'Did Allah's Apostle carry out the Rajam penalty
( i.e., stoning to death)?' He said, "Yes." I said,
"Before the revelation of Surat-ar-Nur or after it?"
He replied, "I don't Know."

* Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 8, Bk. 82, # 810:
Narrated Jabir: A man from the tribe of Aslam came to the Prophet
and confessed that he had committed an illegal sexual intercourse.
The Prophet turned his face away from him till the man bore witness
against himself four times. The Prophet said to him, "Are you mad?"
He said "No." He said, "Are you married?" He said, "Yes."
Then the Prophet ordered that he be stoned to death,
and he was stoned to death at the Musalla. When the stones troubled him,
he fled, but he was caught and was stoned till he died.
The Prophet spoke well of him and offered his funeral prayer.

* Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 8, Bk. 82, # 813::
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: When Ma'iz bin Malik came to the Prophet
(in order to confess), the Prophet said to him, "Probably you have
only kissed (the lady), or winked, or looked at her?" He said, "No,
O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet said, using no euphemism,
"Did you have sexual intercourse with her?" The narrator added:
At that, (i.e. after his confession) the Prophet ordered that
he be stoned (to death).


So, while on the one hand we find the example of Jesus forgiving and setting a woman free without violating the provisions of the Law ('he that is without sin to cast the stone', cf. Duet. 17:6 & 7 with 22:24); in the case with Muhammad, those who are guilty of such sins were to be lashed with a hundred strokes; or as was the practice in early Islam, to be stoned to death!

This is not so much for your 'scholars' to have noticed and yet failed to do so, especially when we know that the Qur'an disarms a woman's access to fair hearing in cases of accusations of illegal sexual activities. The Qur'an declares the following:

[list]* Sura 4:15
"And those of your women who commit illegal sexual intercourse,
take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them;
and if they testify, confine them (i.e. women) to houses until death
comes to them or Allâh ordains for them some (other) way" [Hilali-Khan]

* Sura 24:6
"And for those who accuse their wives, but have no witnesses
except themselves, let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies
(i.e. testifies four times) by Allâh that he is one of those who speak the truth"[/list]

So, according to the second verse above, all a man has to do is pronounce four times that his wife is has been unfaithful or lewd, and even if he lacks the testimony of any witness of the accusation, the poor woman was doomed!

These are the sort of issues that you ought to have paid close attention to; but, of course, we should not forget that common sense is a scarce commodity in Islam. So much for your much celebrated 'scholars' who tried to cheat behind the veil; but what else do we expect from people who just have no clues about what simple statements mean.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you in future. For now. . . just don't sob so loud, and enjoy. .

Now, now, now. . . my dear Muslim friends, the responses I've offered you are there for your careful consideration. If you care, you can choose either to rant the usual way and divert the topic; or deny the obvious and pretend your Islamic antics. Whichever way as best suits you all, then please do me the favour of responding to the issues I posted from post #13 to #19, easily accessible by clicking any of the following links:

#13 (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-86405.32.html#msg1594194)
#14 (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-86405.32.html#msg1594217)
#15 (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-86405.32.html#msg1594231)
#16 (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-86405.32.html#msg1594238)
#17 (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-86405.32.html#msg1594248)
#18 (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-86405.32.html#msg1594257)
#19 (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-86405.32.html#msg1594264)

Of course, Islam allows for your usual al-taqiyya, so I can't deny you the right to employ that gimmick as well. But remember that when you present your games, the obvious facts will remain here for all to see.

Enjoy plenty for now.

Backslider:

Since the Quran is a Book. and the Bible is also a book.

THE QURAN AND THE BIBLE IS NOT THE SAME.

In fact the Quran is a the greatest religious frauds that was ever orchestrated by the Prince of the Air (Beelzebub). Many are deceived and are trained to be deceiving other.

The theme of the Quran is LIE.

My dear Backslider,

I think it would greatly help us all if we rather discussed the issues presented here point by point. Let's refrain from such outbursts and rather present these issues as carefully and sensibly as we possibly can - for indeed, even the Qur'an itself says that Christians are devoted to learning and are not arrogant (Sura 5:82). If we have answers, let's share them; if we resort to these kinds of outbursts, how then would they have learnt anything from us?

Please consider this matter carefully - and God bless you as you do so.

Cheers.

I really do not take this people seriously for a major reason that the Qur'an gives authority to the Bible:

The Qur'an, itself, the highest authority for all Muslims, gives authority to the Bible, assuming its authenticity at least up to the seventh-ninth Centuries.

Consider the following Suras:

Sura Baqara 2:136 [/b]points out that there is no difference between the scriptures which preceded and those of the Qur'an, saying, ", the revelation given to us, and Jesus, we make no difference between one and another of them."

[b]Sura Al-I-Imran 3:2-3 [/b]continues, "Allah, He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus), as a guide to [b]mankind. That is your koran! Tells us the the area of covrage of the mission of Jesus thereby corroborating Pilgrim's incisive rejoinders to you.

Sura Nisaa 4:136 [/b]carries this farther by admonishing the Muslims to, ", Believe, and the scripture which He sent before him." In Sura Ma-ida 5:47,49,50,52 we find a direct call to Christians to believe in their scriptures: ", We sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him. We sent him the Gospel, Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein, if any do fail to judge by the light of what Allah [God] hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel, " Again, in Sura Ma-ida 5:68 we find a similar call: "People of the Book!, Stand fast by the law, the Gospel, and all revelation that hath come to you from YOUR LORD. It is the revelation that has come to thee from THY LORD."

To embolden this idea of the New and Old Testament's authority we find in Sura 10:94 that [b]Muslims are advised to confer with these scriptures if in doubt about their own, saying: "If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee. The truth had indeed come to thee from thy Lord." And as if to emphasize this point the advice is repeated in Sura 21:7, stating, ", the apostles We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration. If ye realize this not, Ask of those who possess the message."

Finally, in Sura Ankabut 29:46 Muslims are asked not to question the authority of the scriptures of the Christians, saying, "And dispute ye not with the people of the book but say: We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and that which came down to you."

If there is anything in these Suras which is clear, it is that the Qur'an emphatically endorses the Torah and the Gospel as authentic and authoritative revelations from God. This coincides with what Christians believe, as well.

So, if you quarter-baked islamists now come to say a different thing entirely, it just goes further to show the confusion which is birthed in MO himself. If your quran attests to the fact that your pedophile prophet does not know where he is going after the end of his miserable life together with the believers (yu know he said it himself - and dont ask me where it is in the quran), he gave legitimacy to the virgin birth of Jesus, i wonder why someone would prefer to remain an underdog despite damning evidences even from his own highest book?

I wonder how a man who had epilepsy and convulsions would receive revelation from a sane God - the God of the bible would not subject a man to seizures of epilepsy all because he wants to communicate a message to him. If you likfe feign ignorance of the way he claimed to receive 'revelations'. By the way, babs and co-islamedian apologists (kai! i don kpai english language), give me a small lecture on the acclaimed slitting of MO's breast

The bible on the other hand dos not give credence to anyother religion or writing. Is this a stamp of slfishness (to help our wailing muhammedans) or a STAMP OF FINALITY AND AUTHETICITY!

where is Don Maselo now? I thought he was interested in "comparison with proves"?

Elimination of Slavery:

Jesus said or did nothing to emancipate slaves or to improve their lot. In the Bible (in both the Old and the New Testaments) slaves are told to completely submit themselves to their masters and to remain content with their lot, however miserable:

"Servants (that is, slaves), be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to the kind and gentle but also to the overbearing. For one is approved if, mindful of God, he endures pain while suffering unjustly" (1 Peter, 2:18).
Christianity failed utterly to abolish slavery or to alleviate its evils. The Church itself held slaves and recognised in explicit terms the lawfulness of this baneful institution. Under its influence, the highly cultured Christians of America practised the cruellest inhumanities upon the unfortunate beings whom they held as slaves and shed torrents of blood for the maintenance of the curse of slavery in their midst.

The first religion to improve the condition of slaves and to take steps for the total abolition of slavery is Islam. To begin with, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) made kind and brotherly treatment of slaves obligatory on the Muslims. They were to be considered as members of one’s family:

"Your slaves are your brothers. So if any one of you happens to have a slave, let him give him the same food that he himself eats, and the same clothing that he himself wears. And do not give them such work as is beyond their power to perform; and if you ever happen to give them such work, you should help them in doing it" (Maulana Muhammad Ali, A Manual of Hadith).
The following are just two of the many verses of the Qur’an exhorting men to emancipate slaves:

And what will make you comprehend what the uphill road is? It is to free a slave, or to feed in a day of hunger an orphan nearly related, or the poor man lying in the dust. Then he is of those who believe and exhort one another to mercy (90:12-17).
It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards the East and the West, but righteous is the one who believes in God, and the Last Day…and gives away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask and to set slaves free…(2:177)

The institution of slavery being opposed to the Islamic teaching of the equality and dignity of men, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) prohibited the taking of fresh slaves in very strong words:

"God says, There are three persons whose adversary in dispute I shall be on the Day of Judgement: a person who makes a promise in My name then acts unfaithfully, a person who enslaves a free person, sells him and devours his price, and a person who employs a man to do a work and exacts full work from him but does not pay him his full remuneration."
Finally, came the categorical command of God not only to emancipate slaves, but also to give them a part of one’s wealth to rehabilitate them:

And those of your slaves who ask for a writing of freedom, give them the writing, if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of God which He has given you (24:33).

Islam is as confused as it's Mohammed and allah are perverted.
They'll tell any tales all aimed at deception but only dig their graves deeper.
let's see what Mohammed and his cohorts did with slaves.



MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS, THE QURAN, AND SLAVERY


           To begin with, the Quran justifies slavery, and often mentions slaves.  Here are some relevant verses:



33:50 - "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."





           This verse clearly shows that Muslims believe that taking slaves in war was a God-given right.  These slaves were considered 'booty' or the spoils of war.  As the saying goes:  to the victors go the spoils.





23:5 -   ", except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them:, "



           The passage's context here (not quoted in full) details how Muslim males are allowed to have sexual relations with their wives and slave girls. Implicit in this is that Muslim males had slave-concubines.  70:30 is basically a repeat of 23:5.



           Ibn Sa'd's "Tabaqat", gives a clear description of Muhammad having "relations" with at least one of his slave girls.  Muhammad had sexual relations with Mariyah, his Coptic slave.  Mariyah and her sister, Sirin were slaves given as gifts to Muhammad.  Muhammad gave Sirin to Hasan Thabit, the poet.  Ibn Sa'd says that Muhammad "liked Mariyah, who was of white complexion, with curly hair and pretty."  [Taken from Ibn Sa'd's "Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir" (Book of the Major Classes), p151].



           Ibn Sa'd also writes that Mariyah bore Muhammad a son named Ibrahim.  He died 18 months later.  Sa'd writes:  "If he had lived, no maternal uncle of his would have remained in bondage", p164.  This shows that there were other Coptic slaves owned by the Muslims.





           The Quran also instructs Muslims NOT to force their female slaves into prostitution (24:34), and even allows Muslims to marry slaves if they so desire (4:24), and to free them at times as a penalty for crime or sin (4:92, 5:89, 58:3) and even allows slaves to buy their liberty, if they meet certain of their master's conditions (24:33).  [90:10 'freeing of a bondsman' refers to Muslims ransoming other Muslims who were slaves of non-Muslims.]



           While I think it's nice to allow a slave to obtain his freedom, (at his master's discretion) it is tragic that Islam allows them to be enslaved in the first place.  That's like robbing a bank and giving some of the money back to the bank, and thinking you did the right thing!

 

           The above verses show that taking slaves was ordained by Allah, and that it was permissible for Muslim males to have sex with their female slaves.  It also shows that slaves were a valuable commodity to the Muslims, otherwise, Allah would not have imposed the penalty of freeing a slave to make up for a crime.







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BUKHARI'S HADITH AND SLAVERY


           There are hundreds of Hadith that deal with slavery.  Whole chapters of Hadith are dedicated to dealing with the taxation, treatment, sale, and jurisprudence of slaves.  In addition to this, numerous Hadith mention slaves, and their relation to their Muslim masters.  Here is a selection of Hadith on slaves:  [all Hadith are from Sahih Bukhari, unless noted.]





Vol. 7-#137  Narrated Abu al-Khudri:  "We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them.  So we asked Allah's messenger about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.""



           Here, Muslims had taken female slaves, and had sex with them.  Muhammad approved of this.  He only admonished them not to practice coitus interruptus.





Vol. 5-#459  [This Hadith is similar to the above.  However, additional details are added].  Narrated Ibn Muhairiz:  "I entered the mosque and saw Abu Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about coitus interruptus.  Abu  said, "We went out with Allah's messenger for the Ghazwa (attack upon) Banu Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus.  So when we intended to do coitus interruptus we said "How can we do coitus interruptus without asking Allah's messenger while he is present among us?"  We asked (him) about it and he said "It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist.""





           Here, the Muslims attacked the Banu Mustaliq, and took slaves.  The female slaves were distributed as booty to the Muslim soldiers.  Being away from home, the soldiers became Hot, and want to have sexual relations with the newly captured female slaves.  They went to Muhammad and asked about coitus interruptus.  He told them not to practice that, but to complete the sexual act with the slaves.  Related Hadith show that they didn't want to get the women pregnant because they wanted to be able to sell them later on.  Under Islamic law they were not allowed to sell pregnant female slaves.



           In effect, Muhammad okayed the rape of female prisoners.

 

Vol. 3-#765



           Narrated Kuraib:  the freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas, that Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles."





           Here a woman frees a slave girl, but Muhammad says that she would have gotten more (heavenly) reward if she had given the slave one of her uncles, thus keeping the slave in slavery.





Vol. 7-#734     ", At the door of the [Muhammad's] room there was a slave to whom I went and said, "Ask the permission for me to enter",



           This is a long Hadith, and the quote reveals that Muhammad has slaves working in his house.





Vol. 7-#344     Narrated Anas:  "Allah's messenger went to the house of his slave tailor, and he was offered a dish of gourd of which he started eating. I have loved to eat gourd since I saw Allah's messenger eating it."



           This Hadith shows that another one of Muhammad's slaves was a tailor.  #346 gives additional details.





Vol. 5-#541     Narrated Abu Huraira:  When we conquered Khaibar, we gained neither gold nor silver as booty, but we gained cows, camels, goods and gardens.  Then we departed with Allah's apostle to the valley of Al-Qira, and at that time Allah's messenger had a slave called Midam who had been presented to him by one of Banu Ad-Dibbab.  While the slave was dismounting the saddle of Allah's messenger an arrow the thrower of which was unknown, came and hit him,



           This Hadith shows that Muhammad held a slave, who was struck with an arrow.





Vol. 5-#637     Narrated Buraida:  The prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus ([one fifth] of the booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave girl from the Khumus).  I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?"  When we reached the prophet I mentioned that to him.  He said, "O Buraida!  Do you hate Ali?"  I said, "Yes"  He said, "Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumus."



           The note for this Hadith says "Buraida hated Ali because he had taken a slave girl form the booty and considered that as something not good."



           Here Ali took a newly captured slave girl, and had sex with her.  When Muhammad was told about it, he approved of it.  Note that slaves were considered as booty, and as a man’s property, they can use the female slave for sex, i.e., rape them.







Vol. 5-#512     Narrated Anas:  ", The prophet had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives, "



           This Hadith details the attack on the Jews of Khaibar.  Again, many of the women and children were taken and made into slaves.





Vol. 5-Chapter 67  Narrated Ibn Ishaq:  The Ghazwa (attack upon) Uyaina bin Hisn waged against Banu Al-Anbar, a branch of Banu Tamim.  The prophet sent Uyaina to raid them.  He raided them and killed some of them and took some others as captives.



           Here, Muhammad sent out his men to attack another tribe.  The killed some of them and took others as captives.  Once again, the Muslims attacked a neighboring tribe.





Vol. 5-#182     Narrated Aisha:  "Abu Bakr had a slave who used to give him some of his earnings.



Vol. 5-#50       Narrated Amr Maimun:  ", The slave of Al-Mughira, "  

[another Muslim who owned the slave that killed Umar.]



                       , Al-Abbas had the greatest number of slaves,

[Al-Abbas, the future Muslim leader had many slaves].





Vol. 9-#462     Narrated Aisha:  ", Furthermore you may ask the slave girl who will tell you the truth".  So the prophet asked Barira (my slave girl),



           Aisha had her own slave.





Also, volume 7-#s 845, 341, 352, 371, 410, 413, 654, ch. 22, ch. 23, and

volume 1-#s 29, 439, 661,

volume 9-#s ch. 23, ch. 32, #293, 296, 277, 100, 80.

Narrated Kuraib: the freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas, that Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles."




Here a woman frees a slave girl, but Muhammad says that she would have gotten more (heavenly) reward if she had given the slave one of her uncles, thus keeping the slave in slavery.


so much for setting slaves free.
Mohammed spoke from 10 sides of his mouth.

for a detailed reading

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm

Elimination of Slavery:

Jesus said or did nothing to emancipate slaves or to improve their lot. In the Bible (in both the Old and the New Testaments) slaves are told to completely submit themselves to their masters and to remain content with their lot, however miserable:

False! No where does the new testament tell "slaves" to submit to their masters. Infact the new testament speaks NOT of slaves but of HIRED LABOURERS!!! Read the bible well before spewing forth false claims.

In the old testament, masters were compelled to release their slaves after 7yrs of service. Slaves where entitled to partake of the passover as bonafide citizens of Isreal if they were circumcised.
Genesis mentions Eleazar as the "slave" of abraham but biblical description points to a man who was not only powerful but close enough to his master to be entrusted the delicate job of finding a wife for his son.

@nwado
copying and pasting a translation of what a fool wrote would not earn you nothing,
Afterall we have been instructed of the likes of you

even as they did not believe in it in the first instance: and [so] We shall leave them in their overweening arrogance, blindly stumbling to and fro.’” (Quran 6:109-110)

Do you know that MO almost committed suicide? Babs and Don Maselo? Your 'reverred' prophet almost committed suicide because of his seizures.

It must have been under on of those seizures that the 'divinely inspired' hadiths has it that MO instructed you people to drink camel's urine

mdsocks:
@nwado
copying and pasting a translation of what a fool wrote would not earn you nothing,
Afterall we have been instructed of the likes of you

Ok. Are the ones from the quran also written by fools? . _{(i wan kpai with laughter)}

.

This level of blindness makes m

mdsocks:

@nwado
copying and pasting a translation of what a fool wrote would not earn you nothing,
Afterall we have been instructed of the likes of you

e be like frustration don set in eh ?
your brother in Islam copied and pasted a write up by some frustrated Muslim looking to say ills about the Bible
and when it is made clear that Muhammad slept with slaves and encouraged his men to do so,you call it a wrong interpretation.

so what is wrong in those hadiths?
Muhammad not only encouraged slavery but advised a concubine who set a slave free that she should have passed on the slave to a relative.

what a genius he was.

You are only digging your grave deeper.
By the time we're done with him,even the very mention of his name would nauseate you.

You all started the thread.
Get ready!
It's hammer time