afrodoc2:


Dalot is being used because we do not have better options. We have been in the market for a LWB some months and we also signed that Paraguayan boy.

Dalot has been our worst non-Rashford player this season.

Am telling you, he needs to be sold or just remain a bit part player

patrickmuf:
The LWBs I can easily think of are Theo Hernandez, Alphonso Davies, Di Marco, and Carlos Augusto. Of the aforementioned, Augusto is the easiest option as I reckon Davies is Madrid-bound and Theo Hernandez is injury-prone.

For RWB, Dumfries or Frimpong should do. I believe we can get either of them for a reasonable fee.

Who is carlos Augusto? How about Patrick Dorgu?

The best for me among those bunch is Di Marco, the guy is solid

CapitalCee:



Who is carlos Augusto? How about Patrick Dorgu?

The best for me among those bunch is Di Marco, the guy is solid

Carlos Augusto is also at Inter Milan. He is nearly as good as Di Marco. You can check him out. Di Marco is the first choice but he too sees considerable gametime.

Very good performance..

The only complain is our passes are very slow


https://x.com/TheUtdArchive/status/1868582258980098299?t=dQGfWjen2b3I6fVs73H1Ow&s=19

Maybe Na wetin coach tell them what.

patrickmuf:
Carlos Augusto is also at Inter Milan. He is nearly as good as Di Marco. You can check him out. Di Marco is the first choice but he too sees considerable gametime.

Oh i see.
I Laugh when some people say that 3 atb system wont work or is problematic. I have done my research and noticed that some of the nastiest coaches to play against are the ones that do 3 atb. Inzaghi for now is at the top of the pile, Gasperini is another one, Conte, Alonso, even Tuchel. Very annoying to play against, and they don't require too many marquee signings to work, just discipline, effiecient and high work rate shikena. If you watch Atalanta and Inter, those guys are absolute Bastards, they will frustrate the hell oit of you.

One thing I have noticed too about Amorim style that is different from other 3atb coaches is his passing stats. I.e the amount and accuracy. Apart from Alonso' Leverkusen, All 3atb coaches have low passing and possesion stats against tough oppositions, including elite ones like Gasperini and Inzaghi, and even Conte.

Since Amorim came, we have out-passed every team we have played against apart from City yesterday, infact we were leading them both in terms possession and every passing stats until the injury time because we just wanted to see out the game and they were desperate to score.
For context even though City are poor recently, but they have dominated possesion against every team they played and by far out-passed all of them including Liverpool.
During ETH , we barely clock 300/350 passes even against any competent team even Fernabache, out-passed us. Yesterday versus city we had 476 to City's 491 we were leading them in this stat before injury time, i was constantly checking it, thats insane against City at Etihad.
We had 22 touches in Man city box, thats also insane at Etihad, many teams including Liverpool didnt have up to 15 at Anfield. Also Man city had like 18. For Context, away to Brentford last season they had 85 touches in our box.
I took a dive and checked Sporting stats I discovered that it followed the same pattern, they dominated every team they played including the top teams, they only match they didn't was against city that they won 4-1, which shows that we have better quality players than Sporting in possession and passing accuracy, they just had better team work having played and trained together for a longer time. Surprisingly, the new coach in Sporting even though he just won his first league game against Boavista last weekend, his team dominated the possession and passing stats too including agaisnt Arsenal. Which means Amorim has ingrained that style in the team before he left.

I don't know if this is a positive sign, but its a very interesting one. Most 3atb teams are known for their OOP mastery, stifling abity and quick transition, but Amorim added passing and possession to that chart in his teams. Another thing I noticed with Alonso Leverkusen is their OOP arrangement is below par compared to others the best in that aspect is Atalanta, those guys are demons.

I believe that a deep lying orchestrator to patner Ugarte is essential or Mainoo should be trained to be that. A set of wingbacks and an experienced Striker is needed, plus a 10. I suggest Witz. In CB we are really good we have 5 solid ones Maz, Licha, Deligt, Yoro and Maguire (I will give him 2 year extension on reduced wages, Francesco Acerbi,36 and DeVries 32 are the 2 CCBs in inter, and Djimsiti at 31 plays it for Atalanta until they got Hien in the summer to share the responsibility).


afrodoc2.

Maguire mental health needs to be studied
Omo the guy trying abegi

Ruben Amorim has decided Marcus Rashford needs to leave Manchester United in the push to engineer a shift in culture throughout the club, for football and non-football staff.

- Jamie Jackson

Oasis007:
Ruben Amorim has decided Marcus Rashford needs to leave Manchester United in the push to engineer a shift in culture throughout the club, for football and non-football staff.

- Jamie Jackson

Rashford has been deterioting for a long time. Fans knows it . His sales is not surprising. Personally l dnt think he will be sold. He will only plays a second fiddle to his replacement which definitely will come in January. Whether his ego will allow him remains in United is another thing.

Oasis007:
Ruben Amorim has decided Marcus Rashford needs to leave Manchester United in the push to engineer a shift in culture throughout the club, for football and non-football staff.

- Jamie Jackson

I dislike tattoo, but i will have Amorim face tattooed on my chest if he can get that fraud out of United....

Some people are just childish and irresponsible sha. What’s the big deal in improving your performance in a job you know about? This kind nonchalant attitude and irresponsibility na wetin young adults dey do na. Then when they get mature their eyes will open and they start improving and taking responsibility. When your family, friends and manager for work dey complain about your attitude and performance at work Shey you no go intentionally try to improve ni? WTF!! As a young mature footballer, what’s the big deal in putting some effort to run, mark your man and bring some intensity to improve a sport and club you claim to love. Is this Rashford guy naturally irresponsible or truly just doesn’t care but pretend to. I dont understand that guy man. Huge salary and benefits, great job and working conditions yet you no want improve your performance. As if he’s doing it solely for someone. Beats me man!!

Rashford and most especially bruno can get lost but Garnacho goes nowhere.

CapitalCee:


Oh i see.
I Laugh when some people say that 3 atb system wont work or is problematic. I have done my research and noticed that some of the nastiest coaches to play against are the ones that do 3 atb. Inzaghi for now is at the top of the pile, Gasperini is another one, Conte, Alonso, even Tuchel. Very annoying to play against, and they don't require too many marquee signings to work, just discipline, effiecient and high work rate shikena. If you watch Atalanta and Inter, those guys are absolute Bastards, they will frustrate the hell oit of you.

One thing I have noticed too about Amorim style that is different from other 3atb coaches is his passing stats. I.e the amount and accuracy. Apart from Alonso' Leverkusen, All 3atb coaches have low passing and possesion stats against tough oppositions, including elite ones like Gasperini and Inzaghi, and even Conte.

Since Amorim came, we have out-passed every team we have played against apart from City yesterday, infact we were leading them both in terms possession and every passing stats until the injury time because we just wanted to see out the game and they were desperate to score.
For context even though City are poor recently, but they have dominated possesion against every team they played and by far out-passed all of them including Liverpool.
During ETH , we barely clock 300/350 passes even against any competent team even Fernabache, out-passed us. Yesterday versus city we had 476 to City's 491 we were leading them in this stat before injury time, i was constantly checking it, thats insane against City at Etihad.
We had 22 touches in Man city box, thats also insane at Etihad, many teams including Liverpool didnt have up to 15 at Anfield. Also Man city had like 18. For Context, away to Brentford last season they had 85 touches in our box.
I took a dive and checked Sporting stats I discovered that it followed the same pattern, they dominated every team they played including the top teams, they only match they didn't was against city that they won 4-1, which shows that we have better quality players than Sporting in possession and passing accuracy, they just had better team work having played and trained together for a longer time. Surprisingly, the new coach in Sporting even though he just won his first league game against Boavista last weekend, his team dominated the possession and passing stats too including agaisnt Arsenal. Which means Amorim has ingrained that style in the team before he left.

I don't know if this is a positive sign, but its a very interesting one. Most 3atb teams are known for their OOP mastery, stifling abity and quick transition, but Amorim added passing and possession to that chart in his teams. Another thing I noticed with Alonso Leverkusen is their OOP arrangement is below par compared to others the best in that aspect is Atalanta, those guys are demons.

I believe that a deep lying orchestrator to patner Ugarte is essential or Mainoo should be trained to be that. A set of wingbacks and an experienced Striker is needed, plus a 10. I suggest Witz. In CB we are really good we have 5 solid ones Maz, Licha, Deligt, Yoro and Maguire (I will give him 2 year extension on reduced wages, Francesco Acerbi,36 and DeVries 32 are the 2 CCBs in inter, and Djimsiti at 31 plays it for Atalanta until they got Hien in the summer to share the responsibility).


afrodoc2.

Very detailed analysis of the possession and passing stats. I had noticed something similar but did not have the stats to back it up. Good that your research highlights it very well. I think the key is that not only are our players organized better in terms of having passing lanes and options but also that we play with more patience. There were many opportunities yesterday for either Bruno or Ugarte to spam long balls forward and thereby lose possession but instead they went for the more seasonable option and kept circulating it until a better opportunity arose.

With regards the CBs i think we still need a LCB to compete with Martinez. I have some hope in Kukonki but he is realistically still a couple of seasons away and who knows what trajectory the club will move in when Amorin settles in. We might even need a LCB of a higher quality than Martinez.

For the CMs we need another starter level senior player like you said. One who has Ugarte's intensity but can also orchestrate, He might be the initial starter while both Mainoo and Ugarte rotate around him. Whichever of them is able to iron out his flaws better will then start partnering him.

A player like Wirtz or Musiala would be great for the left 10 role while Amad is the right 10. I am not so sure we need to spend money on an experienced striker at this stage, especially with our potential FFP restrictions. If we spend appropriate money on 2 WBs, a LCB, 1-2 CMs, a LAMF, and we still have the funds then we can look for another CF. Most of the CFs around now are potential frauds who will just cost us big money for little return. That is why every new season there is another 1-2 season wonder who is making the news.

.....if na academy we fit find better LAM, we should go gerrit. Rashy and Garna should be sent to U21 till January. While Rashy should be sold, Garnacho should perhaps be given 2nd chance.

afrodoc2:


Very detailed analysis of the possession and passing stats. I had noticed something similar but did not have the stats to back it up. Good that your research highlights it very well. I think the key is that not only are our players organized better in terms of having passing lanes and options but also that we play with more patience. There were many opportunities yesterday for either Bruno or Ugarte to spam long balls forward and thereby lose possession but instead they went for the more seasonable option and kept circulating it until a better opportunity arose.

With regards the CBs i think we still need a LCB to compete with Martinez. I have some hope in Kukonki but he is realistically still a couple of seasons away and who knows what trajectory the club will move in when Amorin settles in. We might even need a LCB of a higher quality than Martinez.

For the CMs we need another starter level senior player like you said. One who has Ugarte's intensity but can also orchestrate, He might be the initial starter while both Mainoo and Ugarte rotate around him. Whichever of them is able to iron out his flaws better will then start partnering him.

A player like Wirtz or Musiala would be great for the left 10 role while Amad is the right 10. I am not so sure we need to spend money on an experienced striker at this stage, especially with our potential FFP restrictions. If we spend appropriate money on 2 WBs, a LCB, 1-2 CMs, a LAMF, and we still have the funds then we can look for another CF. Most of the CFs around now are potential frauds who will just cost us big money for little return. That is why every new season there is another 1-2 season wonder who is making the news.

....I am praying Musiala rejects the new deal for United. LOL!

Oasis007:




....I am praying Musiala rejects the new deal for United. LOL!

Musiala or Wirtz?

Who and Why?

Oasis007:
.....if na academy we fit find better LAM, we should go gerrit. Rashy and Garna should be sent to U21 till January. While Rashy should be sold, Garnacho should perhaps be given 2nd chance.

Even though he has some Garnacho behaviour about him, I think Amorin should give Ennis some minutes to see if there is anything there. He is getting too old and good for Premier League 2.

Mather is intelligent but limited especially physically. Williams has most of the tools but does not play with enough intensity and might even be better at WB.

afrodoc2:


Very detailed analysis of the possession and passing stats. I had noticed something similar but did not have the stats to back it up. Good that your research highlights it very well. I think the key is that not only are our players organized better in terms of having passing lanes and options but also that we play with more patience. There were many opportunities yesterday for either Bruno or Ugarte to spam long balls forward and thereby lose possession but instead they went for the more seasonable option and kept circulating it until a better opportunity arose.

With regards the CBs i think we still need a LCB to compete with Martinez. I have some hope in Kukonki but he is realistically still a couple of seasons away and who knows what trajectory the club will move in when Amorin settles in. We might even need a LCB of a higher quality than Martinez.

For the CMs we need another starter level senior player like you said. One who has Ugarte's intensity but can also orchestrate, He might be the initial starter while both Mainoo and Ugarte rotate around him. Whichever of them is able to iron out his flaws better will then start partnering him.

A player like Wirtz or Musiala would be great for the left 10 role while Amad is the right 10. I am not so sure we need to spend money on an experienced striker at this stage, especially with our potential FFP restrictions. If we spend appropriate money on 2 WBs, a LCB, 1-2 CMs, a LAMF, and we still have the funds then we can look for another CF. Most of the CFs around now are potential frauds who will just cost us big money for little return. That is why every new season there is another 1-2 season wonder who is making the news.

Excellent, insight. The experience steiker I mean is not a big money signing. Signings like Cavani on a free who will come in, in the last 20-25 mins of games, and relieve the Hojlund in cup games too. Mostly on free transfer or like max £5m. Infact even Welbeck on a free will do.
I believe Witz is the long term successor of Bruno. Bruno’s too many game time is beginning to catch up with him, I noticed recently he misplaced a lot of passes and shots that ordinarily normal him would have done better.

Oasis007:




....I am praying Musiala rejects the new deal for United. LOL!

Between Witz and Musiala who do you prefer? Me i prefer Wirtz oo

afrodoc2:


Even though he has some Garnacho behaviour about him, I think Amorin should give Ennis some minutes to see if there is anything there. He is getting too old and good for Premier League 2.

Mather is intelligent but limited especially physically. Williams has most of the tools but does not play with enough intensity and might even be better at WB.

Me the people I am waiting for are Thwaites and Ibragimov, you saw that goal Ibragimov scored for the U-21? The one Chido assisted him. Thaat boy is giving Alexis McAllister vibes.
Another one that can be promoted is James Scanlon, he looks a bit more mature than his age mates, may be because he is a full international now. But generally he looks average to me.

CapitalCee:


Me the people I am waiting for are Thwaites and Ibragimov, you saw that goal Ibragimov scored for the U-21? The one Chido assisted him. Thaat boy is giving Alexis McAllister vibes.
Another one that can be promoted is James Scanlon, he looks a bit more mature than his age mates, may be because he is a full international now. But generally he looks average to me.

Yeah, Thawites and Ibragimov are promising but i think they are a couple of years away. The Under-18s currently have better players than the Under-21s but the Under-21s are generally more ready to contribute this season.

Ibragimov's ceiling is above McAllister level, whether he will fulfil it is another matter. Thwaites is a technician, but does he have the legs to play in a 2-man Amorin-style midfield? That is to be determined.

Mantato and Kukonki are tailormade for Amorin football from a physical profile point of view. Mantato plays mainly RWF for us and occasional LB, for the England youth teams he plays LB for them and occasional RWF.

Scanlon is like Mather. Technically secure on the ball and can retain possession fairly well. They are also quite intelligent team players with good movement and good finishing (in Scanlon's case very good finishing). The problem is lack of speed and general physicality.

Scanlon looks more mature because he is.
He is our oldest regular Under-18 player. Due to his birthdate he and Victor Musa were able to just slip under the U-18 age requirement and are the oldest in the current group.

afrodoc2:


Musiala or Wirtz?

Who and Why?

CapitalCee:


Between Witz and Musiala who do you prefer? Me i prefer Wirtz oo

I prefer Musiala over cos of followings;

Musiala is a better dribbler, we need a player of his calibre at the club.

Musiala is a better goal scorer than Witz.

Though Witz is younger than Musiala but we need more of experienced players in the Squad at the moment.

Finally, we gonna have to break banks to get Witz, whereas we can get Musiala for free or sikinni money. LOL!

Oasis007:




I prefer Musiala over cos of followings;

Musiala is a better dribbler, we need a player of his calibre at the club.

Musiala is a better goal scorer than Witz.

Though Witz is younger than Musiala but we need more of experienced players in the Squad at the moment.

Finally, we gonna have to break banks to get Witz, whereas we can get Musiala for free or sikinni money. LOL!

Court dismissed!

CapitalCee:


Oh i see.
I Laugh when some people say that 3 atb system wont work or is problematic. I have done my research and noticed that some of the nastiest coaches to play against are the ones that do 3 atb. Inzaghi for now is at the top of the pile, Gasperini is another one, Conte, Alonso, even Tuchel. Very annoying to play against, and they don't require too many marquee signings to work, just discipline, effiecient and high work rate shikena. If you watch Atalanta and Inter, those guys are absolute Bastards, they will frustrate the hell oit of you.

One thing I have noticed too about Amorim style that is different from other 3atb coaches is his passing stats. I.e the amount and accuracy. Apart from Alonso' Leverkusen, All 3atb coaches have low passing and possesion stats against tough oppositions, including elite ones like Gasperini and Inzaghi, and even Conte.

Since Amorim came, we have out-passed every team we have played against apart from City yesterday, infact we were leading them both in terms possession and every passing stats until the injury time because we just wanted to see out the game and they were desperate to score.
For context even though City are poor recently, but they have dominated possesion against every team they played and by far out-passed all of them including Liverpool.
During ETH , we barely clock 300/350 passes even against any competent team even Fernabache, out-passed us. Yesterday versus city we had 476 to City's 491 we were leading them in this stat before injury time, i was constantly checking it, thats insane against City at Etihad.
We had 22 touches in Man city box, thats also insane at Etihad, many teams including Liverpool didnt have up to 15 at Anfield. Also Man city had like 18. For Context, away to Brentford last season they had 85 touches in our box.
I took a dive and checked Sporting stats I discovered that it followed the same pattern, they dominated every team they played including the top teams, they only match they didn't was against city that they won 4-1, which shows that we have better quality players than Sporting in possession and passing accuracy, they just had better team work having played and trained together for a longer time. Surprisingly, the new coach in Sporting even though he just won his first league game against Boavista last weekend, his team dominated the possession and passing stats too including agaisnt Arsenal. Which means Amorim has ingrained that style in the team before he left.

I don't know if this is a positive sign, but its a very interesting one. Most 3atb teams are known for their OOP mastery, stifling abity and quick transition, but Amorim added passing and possession to that chart in his teams. Another thing I noticed with Alonso Leverkusen is their OOP arrangement is below par compared to others the best in that aspect is Atalanta, those guys are demons.

I believe that a deep lying orchestrator to patner Ugarte is essential or Mainoo should be trained to be that. A set of wingbacks and an experienced Striker is needed, plus a 10. I suggest Witz. In CB we are really good we have 5 solid ones Maz, Licha, Deligt, Yoro and Maguire (I will give him 2 year extension on reduced wages, Francesco Acerbi,36 and DeVries 32 are the 2 CCBs in inter, and Djimsiti at 31 plays it for Atalanta until they got Hien in the summer to share the responsibility).


afrodoc2.

just to add that keeping the ball better has drastically reduced the amount of shots we face per 90. it used to be a conclusion of pointing fingers at individual defenders or defensive midfielders but that has been checked. the team has no problems playing out from back to front, and recycling it back to Onana from attack if there are no glaring openings in the opposition's structure. yes the passing is still slow and a bit laboured, many times still inaccurate but it is more measured and the players have shown we can also dictate the tempo of a game.I must say that the number of shots faced slightly fell from Ruud's first game in charge and has fallen further under Amorim. Onana kept us in many games and now he doesn't have to do that much, but it seemingly is making him bored kind of and his concentration can be a concern. looking at the brighter side though, Man City for example created nothing in the second half yesterday and almost nothing in the first. regardless of form, it is a big leap forward from similar clashes of recent years and we did not add one single player to the group that used to be tossed all over the pitch like rags.

ChristineC:
just to add that keeping the ball better has drastically reduced the amount of shots we face per 90. it used to be a conclusion of pointing fingers at individual defenders or defensive midfielders but that has been checked. the team has no problems playing out from back to front, and recycling it back to Onana from attack if there are no glaring openings in the opposition's structure. yes the passing is still slow and a bit laboured, many times still inaccurate but it is more measured and the players have shown we can also dictate the tempo of a game.I must say that the number of shots faced slightly fell from Ruud's first game in charge and has fallen further under Amorim. Onana kept us in many games and now he doesn't have to do that much, but it seemingly is making him bored kind of and his concentration can be a concern. looking at the brighter side though, Man City for example created nothing in the second half yesterday and almost nothing in the first. regardless of form, it is a big leap forward from similar clashes of recent years and we did not add one single player to the group that used to be tossed all over the pitch like rags.

Ten Hag would say he added De ligt/Mazroui /Orobosa and if he was in charge, he would have won 4-0

afrodoc2:


Court dismissed!

izzou:
Musiala for free or shikini money??

Oasis, your plug, please.

This has to be something strong

.....thought he would be out of contract by end of this season. LOL!

Make una no vex.

Oasis007:







.....thought he would be out of contract by end of this season. LOL!

Make una no vex.

I just checked. Musiala contract ends in 2026. Wirtz contract ends in 2027.

Answer the question again. Musiala or Wirtz.

afrodoc2:


I just checked. Musiala contract ends in 2026. Wirtz contract ends in 2027.

Answer the question again. Musiala or Wirtz.

musiala

Wanbissaka:
musiala

Why?

afrodoc2:


I just checked. Musiala contract ends in 2026. Wirtz contract ends in 2027.

Answer the question again. Musiala or Wirtz.

Wirtz for me.. we need someone like wirtz than musiala currently, a central and attacking midfielder that can distribute ball, relief our dmf and also decide game for us... Amad is already giving use 70% of what musiala will give us...

Englishisamust:


Wirtz for me.. we need someone like wirtz than musiala currently, a central and attacking midfielder that can distribute ball, relief our dmf and also decide game for us... Amad is already giving use 70% of what musiala will give us...

Amad is our Right AMF. Amorim’s 3-4-3 does not have a CAM so we need one of them to play the Left AMF ie Do on the left what Amad is doing on the right.

Which of them do you think will work best as our Left AMF?