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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 7:19pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: Of all these you mentioned Cafu, Zanetti and Zambrotta were not central defenders Puyol, Nesta, Maldini, STam were good to great in their time But at no point in time was Terry better than an average defender. BTW Pique and Boateng can only play in the era they find themselves. If those players played in a different time, they would also struggle. I know some like to fantasy and overrate the past but Was it not in those their time Owen won Balon D or? If Rivaldo, Owen, Figo, Nedved played these days they would never smell Ballon D or not even top 3 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 7:22pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
SIRcumalot: Which players doesnt have a weakness? even Ronaldo Lima and Messi have weaknesses The pillar of the Barca system are Pique and Busquet who make the high line work in the first place. The success of the Barca system is the ability to play a high line, recycle possesion and squeeze the opponent into a small space. Do you think its every defender that would succeed at that? Terry tried it and failed monumentally under AVB. ANd contrary to opinion its a bunker system the type Chelsea plays that covers defenders asses and make them look better than they are because they hardly get caught 1 vs 1 with a striker unlike a high line where you have 40yards of free space behind you to cover in a foot race with a striker |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 7:25pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Debroslink: I hope you know what this move led to? Not forgetting how pique was swimming on the grass when he handled him in portugal vs spain match few years ago. Though i rate him higher than boatank, he is not better than otamendi. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 7:26pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
airmark: so why did jose mourinho declare makelele as the player of the season in 04/05 after hearing lampard was chosen ahead of claude? this is how to know people who actually watched footie that year unlike the vagrants like you who rely on wikipedia. it's fair to say as at 04/05, there was no electricity or DSTV in your village. SIRcumalot: carvalho was the leader, terry wasn't! after each excellent defensive performance that season, it would be terry with the mic instead of carvalho/makelele because the duo couldn't speak english to chat with geoff shreeves!
busi starts the attack..... he distributes the ball and everything flows through him. we are talking about the defensive side of their game now. the ones who make the towering clearances in a team populated by midgets.....
it's even an achievement that a particular system is tailor-made to suit the style of pique. when a club & a country have to play to the strengths of a defender, then he's world class. often times, it's the player that has to adapt to the system of the manager, not the other way round.
nah..... blind isn't as good. he's only good with distributing the ball under pressure - something jones, evans, mcnair struggle to do. LVG surely knows he loses a big chunk of defensive responsibility when he plays blind there but the pros slightly outweigh the cons. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 7:33pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
raumdeuter: imagine owen winning ballon d'or..... his best wasn't even as good as rooney(2010 circa). you can only beat what's in front of you. without ronaldo/messi in the last 8 years, xavi & iniesta woulda won 3 ballon d'or each at the very least. lahm or bastian woulda claimed one each as well. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by barackohandso(m): 7:50pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
airmark: That move was made and scored by CR7, a very fast and skillful player. What did you expect pique to do, pull him down and get a red? Barca were even a man down in that match and you want an experienced defender like pique to do something silly? Even at that pique eventually covered the left side of the post and the goal went in through a deflection from valdes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 7:55pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
coogar: Your falsehood has taken a higher dimension. I challenge you to show me where mou said lampard did nt deserve it? I watched football long before you could identify a TV in kiddies' book. Immediately i saw in your blabbing that lamps was nt near best player that year, i was just laughing. I only needed wikipedia to buttress my point, in case you wanted to shift post as you always do. I am not here to fight you, but next time dont post rubbish here, prying eyes will see and call your bluff. You are not in confinement of your room where you can easily say Pep guardiola was c ronaldo's coach at real madrid and your wife will give you a peck in the neck. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 7:59pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
airmark: You have come here to display your foolishness again WHats the big deal with Ronaldo or Messi dribbling a defender? These are the best players of their generation. Its not like Andre Ayew iping the floor with Terry |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 8:09pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
barackohandso: That's what aareonakakanfo was talking about. We hail mumu performances by our defenders now. Dearth of great defenders has affected our opinions. Gone were the days. However, I still rate sergio ramos as the only defender that could meet the level of cannavaro, terry, stam, maldini of the past. raumdeuter: One moniker below has a word for you ........ . . . . . . .. . . 1 Like
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:18pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
airmark:Lool! Pictorial evidence yapa on how Pique has been continually disgraced by strikers. Most especially C.Ro! Pique?? Top 3?? Thats d day Arsenal ll win UCL.... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by SIRcumalot: 8:18pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
raumdeuter:So terry is to blame for AVB failures or no be the same guy bench drogba and lampard. Pique is a unique defender and he has made the best out of a good situation I'll give him that but will he flourish outside the tiki taka ? How much of history would've change if pique never left Man utd ? he probably won't be this well known but barca will still dominate. At the end, everything boils down to choice. If you prefer a defender that can pass the ball rather than keep it out of the net then pique is your man. Me,I wear my JT otondo badge with pride 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:21pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
raumdeuter: I wasn't specific when i mentioned those names, It was general. Back to your comment, how on earth would you say at no point in time was terry better than an average defender?haba! Besides maldini,cafu, nesta and arguably zanetti, I can match up terry with every other defender i mentioned. From 03-06, terry was unrivalled in the Epl and in world football once you mention nesta and puyol, the next name that comes up is terry. You think say na beans to enter UEFA team of the year 4 times? Abeg comparing boateng and all other mickey mouse defenders to terry is belittling.In the past 15 years, can you name 10 centrebacks better than terry? 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 8:37pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
AdeLaNa1: It's not a joking matter, the way all these nincompoops rate any defender that looks like electric pole and good in spraying passes with average defensive skills is very annoying. Very unfortunate. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 8:38pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
airmark: you are a laboratory rëtard..... if mou declares makelele chelsea's player of the season after PFA awards, does that not tell you that lampard didn't deserve the award? did it not occur to you mou would know better as he's the manager of both players? fück outta here.... when did you even start watching football? just because you now have a wifi-hotspot, you want to start having debates with your intellectual superiors? are you out of your freaking mind? i can write everything you know about footie on a grain of rice. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by barackohandso(m): 8:42pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
airmark: Dearth of great defenders? That's laughable. I guess Messi and CR7 winning the ballon D'or over the last 7 years shows dearth of great attackers too with your logic. Will a player now choose the era he plays in ? Rather than say we hail mumu performances by defenders, I'd go with praising the great attackers of this era. All the defenders you put up there have all had one or more embarrassing moments in their playing days. Tell me which defender, past or present who'll stop that counter move from CR7 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 8:47pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: In the past 15 yrs mean from 2000 Nesta, Maldini Canavaro, Chiellini, Boateng, Hummels, Carvalho, Pepe, Ramos, Pique, Godin, Vidic, Thiago Silva, Ayala, Stam, Thuram. Thats 16 already all country miles better than Terry If you need another 15 I can give you sharply At no point is time in Terry's career was he better than average. I have watched football in Europe consistently for over 20yrs and I know a fraud when I see one. Terry is a defensive fraud I can even add players like Sol Campbell, Rio Ferdinand etc as better than Terry . Do you want me to continue |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:51pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
barackohandso: Yes dearth of great defenders. Messi and ronaldo wouldn't have had as much fun as this in the late 90s and early 2000s.will pique have made Acmilan's team B during maldini and nesta's time? please i need answers |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 8:52pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
airmark: Bwahahaha I don't know how somebody can claim that there was no standout player in 04/05 or that Makalele was better than Lampard... I'm not even going to go into this argument because a lot of lies have been bandied about. Half the game, you cannot see defensive actions on TV because the camera follows the ball. You can't see Busquets positioning off the ball. So when Coogar is talking about 'the flow of the game' I know he's just chatting nonsense again. TV Camera can NEVER show you the flow of the game. I agree that Boateng is one of the top CBs in the game today. But e no reach Ramos. Pique's name should not even be mentioned as a top defender...for one, he doesn't actually defend. Barca averaged 67% Possesion per game last season. What defending is Pique doing when his teammates have the ball for a full 60 minutes each game? 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 8:52pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
coogar: I did nt ask for so much, just show me where mou said makelele was his preferred player of the season after lampard won the awards. No need for long talks. barackohandso: Messi and CR7 have been pocketed in the past. If you could n't see poor judgement/anticipation in pique's attacking the ball, then am sorry we should end this back and forth. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 8:52pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
this airmark is a lunatic sha.... he's testing my eidetic memory and he's even failing at it.....
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:53pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
raumdeuter: So the emboldened names are better than terry? e don do abeg 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 8:57pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: That is what i told you. Couple of years ago, i ran because i could nt stand stupid posts here in this section. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 8:58pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
coogar: Same Jose that said he would win UCL with 11 Azpilicuetas? Or the one that said Ivanovic is his right back last week? Or maybe it's the one that said that Falcao is still a top player just that the fans can't see... Negro please...you need to learn to differentiate fact from fiction when Jose is talking... 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 8:58pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: Well you have to know those you tell about those times. Messi and Ronaldo would have even more fun in those times Because they are simply better than all the attackers of that time put together Was it not in the era of Nesta and Maldini that Bierhoff was scoring 27 goals in Serie A or Dario Hubner was top scorer? So when we dey mention all those times, dey realise say some people actually watched games then and know their football Bierhoff Amoroso, Huber scored over 20 goals in Serie A if Messi, Ronaldo had played then they would have scored 50 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 8:59pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: Miles better every single one of them at their best were better than Terry at his pinnacle |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 9:02pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Nihilist: Putting Boateng over Ramos is one of the things Pep Guardiola can slap any idiot who says it for. Sometimes i think guys here drink several bottles before posting on this section. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 9:03pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
SIRcumalot: Terry's lack of pace and ability to anticipate passes were what made the pattern fail. ANy one can defend when you play bunker ball even a washed up Lucio, Samuel, Chivu looked like the great wall of China when they had to bunker I have seen even Mertersacker look like Maldini when playing a deep defence There is a reason John terry's teams win trophies when he is missing |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:05pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
airmark:Azzin. The only thing dat makes Pique relevant here is numba of trophies he's won. And dats largely due to the teams he's played in. If u play for Barca and u're in the Spain team, u're guaranteed trophies. Same thing if u're in the German team and u play for Bayern.... Vermealen has already won a quadruple witout even seeing up to 24hrs if action. If he's fortunate enough to win anoda trebble dis season, he'll automatically become anoda World Class CB. Nonsense!! Nothing spectacular abt Pique. He's good but he's not great. Top 3 CBs in d World are Ramos, Silva & Boateng |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by airmark(m): 9:06pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Nihilist: You see that i ignored him. The whole world know that Lampard was red-hot for us in 2004/2005 season. Coogar blamed PFA for hyping him but was mute on his non-PFA awards. Ronaldinho confirmed it.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 9:09pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Yes Terry was the reason AVB went on to fail elsewhere too. When AVB chopped 5 from Liverpool playing that same highline suicidal football, Terry was also to blame. How you can blame Terry for the failures of a manager that doesn't consider his playing staff before formulating his system is beyond me... Terry went on to achieve back-to-back greatness in Europe post AVB. AVB however, is freezing his bollocks off in a no-account league... 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by barackohandso(m): 9:10pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
Aareonakakanfo: Stop all these unnecessary hype you give the past. Each era has its positives and negatives, you make it sound like you're the only one who watched football back then. Messi and ronaldo will thrive in any era as long as they play as they've been playing over the last 7 years, yes they're that good. You can go back and forth and deduce that zidane, figo, ronaldinho et al wouldn't have won the ballon d'or if they had played in this era. Change is permanent. Live with it |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nihilist: 9:16pm On Oct 10, 2015 |
barackohandso: Nihilist co-signs this message. Cristiano Ronaldo would even thrive more in previous era due to his fitness regime. Players of old used to smoke like chimneys and drink like fishes. Ronaldo is like the terminator. The man looks like he was put together by skynet purely for the purpose of scoring goals 2 Likes |
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