eph12:

We just wan argue. What sets players like Messi and Ronaldo apart from others is their ability to reproduce their skill, talent or whatever you call it every weekend consistently. Once in a while we see flashes of brilliance from hundreds of players across the globes. If you call it luck na you sabi. Even people say Ronaldo became who he is not because he had the talent but his hard work.

elampiro:


It's about talent, not consistency. If you are talented, consistency becomes a norm.

Do you think Roger Federer is talented or consistent? It is people who are not talented that show occasional brilliance. The fact that the talent is lacking means that they wouldn't get it right often.

Take for instance, Lampard and Gerald have the talent for accurate shots from outside the box, but that doesn't mean Carrick cannot hit a superb shot into the net once in two-three seasons. The difference is talent, not consistency. Or Scholes and Pirlo will get their long passes to wingers accurately well over 90% of the time, they even do it in a sexy/fancy way. That's talent. But it doesn't mean that Kante or Fernadinho will not thrown such a long pass once in a while. The difference in consistency is the talent for long pass.

Berbatov will magnet the ball from a pass with his foot almost all the time. That is talent. Rashford will magnet the ball once in many attempts because he didn’t have such a ball trapping talent.

Leyqute:
Note: We have 9 games left and will play Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham, all sandwiched between Europa league matches. I don't expect much from those games with the current way we're playing.

eph12:

So ball control, long shot, pass accuracy are no more skills but now talents?

elampiro:


No be by force to turn analyst.

elampiro:


No be by force to turn analyst.

sod09:
lol....he's obviously scared of you
they are all scummies

eph12:

So ball control, long shot, pass accuracy are no more skills but now talents?

ebonyeyes88:
yea I know kindness kills lol

elampiro:


Skill and Talent = the same thing in this context.

But consistency is a different thing. If you had said the difference between Ahmed Musa and Messi is skills, I wouldn't have argued.

Spy360:
Skills are learnt, while talents are inborn.
Those qualities mentioned can fall into both categories.

sod09:
Good continue then, no one will tell him to back off

ebonyeyes88:
lol Apparently d guy has a few fake accounts. We both got into a Wordbrawl and in d end it was me who was banned. Now everything I say is targeted by a mod who hates me and tht cool but he didn't ban d asshole who started the bs..

Funlordmaniac:


Jesse Lingard signs new £100,000 a week man united deal?

elampiro:
Skill and Talent = the same thing in this context.

But consistency is a different thing. If you had said the difference between Ahmed Musa and Messi is skills, I wouldn't have argued.

raumdeuter:


WHats the difference between Quaresma and Ronaldo?

codedguy1:
Elamps, is nani skillful?

If yes, was he consistent? Especially when we all could really see himwhile at man u.

elampiro:


Ronaldo is far more talented footballer. At 33 Quaresma is working hard to be what Ronaldo was at 19.

Quaresma sabi play ball na he no dey play for Madrid or Barca?

When you look at the different attribute that makes one a talented footballer, you see that Ronaldo is far far ahead right from his teenage days. Shooting accuracy, heading accuracy, goal scoring techniques, forward dribbling and running, positioning, etc

If you take one item, like dribbling round and round or ball jogling, even Jajay Okocha fit beat Messi.

elampiro:
Let me tell give another example to make you guys understand.

There is a football training ground I go to from time to time to watch guys play. The guys are mostly in their 20s. When these guys are playing free kicks, I join to participate. They wonder how I am able to hit the ball so accurately with bullet shots. And I don't train, I only join them in kicks once in a while. These guys train everyday and play matches here and there. Even a close by University school players train with them.

I am far older than these guys, but they cannot strike the ball accurately like I do. They train every day, but I used only the skills I learnt decades back. I started playing football when I was four and played till I did NYSC.

The difference between me and these guys is talent/skills. Ryan Giggs will still cross the ball better than anyone at Manchester United today.

The coach of that training ground has pleaded with me several times to come train with them even if it is once a week. But I just think I am not in good physical fitness to run around at same pace with the young guys. I may have to do individual training and jogging for two months or more. Although I have trained like thrice as a late substitute.

sod09:
welcome to nairaland where d victim is penalise Nd d culprit go Scot free.
u dont Have to reply everyone .
but this section is free from ban cos we troll alot

elampiro:


Nani is talented/skillful with limits. For instance, he cannot head. His shot accuracy is like 30% (compared to Ronaldo, Robben, Messi, etc with 70% and above). Nani has no great pass. He is behind Giggs in crossing.

But Nani is great at short dribbling, zigzaging, speed-stop-break movement and pace.

So Nani is very skillful in some areas while lacking the required skills in other key footballing areas, hence his lack of consistency to be a world class.

raumdeuter:


You are very wrong. As far as talent goes, Quaresma is as talented as Ronaldo is not more, What made Ronaldo different is he worked 10 times harder than Quaresma did.

When Ronaldo got to Man Utd there were many things he couldnt do all he was good at then was dribbling. After regular training Ronaldo spent hours behind training his shot, his free kick he had to train himself, headers he trained himself, I have seen a show where a corner will be taken and they will switch off the light immediately and Ronaldo will still try to head the ball in the dark

There are very few players who worked as hard as Ronaldo on their game. He takes care of his body, he is disciplined and worked hard, without these hardwork, Ronaldo will just be another Simao Sabrosa. Actually by 2005 some people were already giving up on Ronaldo, After that 2006 world cup he turned it up and became a beast. See how he turned his skinny frame into a mass of muscle you see now

Quaresma was so talented that Barcelona got him at 20 but he didnt apply himself anymore he didnt work hard, If Quaresma put half the work of Ronaldo we would be looking at a totally different player

elampiro:


Nani is talented/skillful with limits. For instance, he cannot head. His shot accuracy is like 30% (compared to Ronaldo, Robben, Messi, etc with 70% and above). Nani has no great pass. He is behind Giggs in crossing.

But Nani is great at short dribbling, zigzaging, speed-stop-break movement and pace.

So Nani is very skillful in some areas while lacking the required skills in other key footballing areas, hence his lack of consistency to be a world class.

randomperson:

Ronaldo doesn't have 70% shooting accuracy... Not sure even Messi has that..
I get your point

codedguy1:


From your aguement with eph1 you made it sound like once you are talented/skill ful the player will be consistent, which is what am trying to make you understand is not exactly true.

There are many things involved in a players development. Talent , skills, discipline, hard work, these attributes are what will most llikely give a player consistency. Even Ronaldo just like raumdeuter pointed out was not consistent in his early days at man u but he put in the work.

Discipline and hard work are MORE likely to give a player consistency than just being talented or skillful.

so when a talented and skillful player decides to be disciplined and hardworking, you get a consistent player like Ronaldo.