they came in the name of allah and lay claim to the quoran. who do you think they will be?

manmacho:

they came in the name of allah and lay claim to the quoran. who do you think they will be?

and they killed worshpers in the mosques, so what do you now think?

Remii:

and they killed worshpers in the mosques, so what do you now think?

THEY TARGET MUSLIM THAT DOES NOT REALY UNDERSTAND THE JIHAD IN THE QUORAN. THAT IS WHY A LOT OF THIER IMAM COULD NOT SAY ANYTHING.

WHAT ABOUT GOODLUCK'S CLAIM THAT THEY HAVE INFILTERATED HIS GOVERNMENT, THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING. AND ALSO THE FACT THAT NONE OF THOSE ARRESTED SO FAR HAS SHOWN TO BE A TYPICAL EXAMPLE OF A MUSLIM SHOULD ALSO SPEAK MORE TO YOU

Boko Haram's are muslims but not all muslims are BH. It was invented by a muslim. Even if it had been infiltrated by political whatever. Who are those that can infiltrate them?
The question as to whether Boko harams are muslim or not is irrelevant, the issue should be what can be done about the situation

Nice point there Gadaffe. In your own view, is the government and nigerians doing enough? Cos all we see everyday are just messages of hate from our christian brothers

manmacho:

THEY TARGET MUSLIM THAT DOES NOT REALY UNDERSTAND THE JIHAD IN THE QUORAN. THAT IS WHY A LOT OF THIER IMAM COULD NOT SAY ANYTHING.

Who decides who really understands Jihad? You?

You seem to have concluded that
Boko Haram understanding of Jihad is correct
That a muslim who "does not really understand Jihad" is actually to be killed
There is precedence in killing people instead of calling them to Islam
Killing indiscriminately is proper

As to coming and acting in the name of Allah, please read this as everything might not be as it seems
And I know that christians claim that Jesus said that not everyone who calls his name is of him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

The Lavon Affair refers to a failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.[

abdulroqee:

Nice point there Gadaffe. In your own view, is the government and nigerians doing enough? Cos all we see everyday are just messages of hate from our christian brothers

for you to solve a problem you must no the source, you ask a question that needs a simple answer, this people are muslims simple. they av their islamic reason premise from the quoran.

islam should look within and solve the problem of violence in thier religion. don't live in ignorance of the truth you could be the next victim.

i don't hate muslims, but i state the fact christains av thier issues too but to blame it on other is share leaving in dream world

thanks

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Please tell us the Islamic reason they have from the Qur'an. Give us the verses and make sure you quote everything relevant to the issue from preceding and suceeding verses

They are muslims. Who else should they be? Their da'awah methodology has been good ever since muhammad yusuf startd it in 1997 or 98. But d biggest mistake d govt did was to kill ustaz yusuf and some other members wich provoked d present ones. And if i could rememba, shekau was shot during the war in 2009 but managed to survive. They kill some muslims becuz they were or are complicit in the arrest or killin of their members. But wat bh are doing now presently, i am not in support of it especially the suicide bombing.

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Just like the Prophet, BH was oppressed and now they are retaliating.

Kay 17:

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Just like the Prophet, BH was oppressed and now they are retaliating.

Please do not compare BH to the Prophet:: and stop displaying ignorance with these your comments,

All they require to conduct a jihad is to claim oppression. And a jihad as you have pointed out is not one necessarily of self defence, it could be a retaliation. So BH could be said to be willing to avenge the death of their founder and ready to form an Islamic state.

Kay 17:

All they require to conduct a jihad is to claim oppression. And a jihad as you have pointed out is not one necessarily of self defence, it could be a retaliation. So BH could be said to be willing to avenge the death of their founder and ready to form an Islamic state.

If you read properly, you would know that war and retaliation can only be carried out by a state. BH is not a state.

Innocent people are not hurt in war, you only fight combatants.

The muslims were killed and oppressed for thirteen years in Mecca, They did not resort to violence.

Try to understand things first.

The number of muslims (boko haram) and muslims (collateral damage) was definitely more than the two people that died in Mecca. Besides Hamza "brushed" a pagan at the Kaabah.

Boko Haram has rejected the sovereignty and laws of Nigeria and have adopted/guided by Sharia. But the Nigerian State doesn't recognise that.

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Your point seem lost, as I really cannot understand the point you are making, that what BH does is justifiable? or what exactly?

I don't see any justification in Boko Haram acts or Muhammad's conquest and killing of black animists.

Kay 17:

The number of muslims (boko haram) and muslims (collateral damage) was definitely more than the two people that died in Mecca. Besides Hamza "brushed" a pagan at the Kaabah.

Boko Haram has rejected the sovereignty and laws of Nigeria and have adopted/guided by Sharia. But the Nigerian State doesn't recognise that.

Hamza did not start a war did he? self defence is allowed for individuals or groups

Muslims must obey the law of the land, that they live.

Boko Haram commits murder by setting off bombs in public places, there is no such thing as collateral damage even in a legitimate war; setting off a bomb in an army market also targets ordinary civilians

You can't fight
Non combatants
Women
Children
old folks

You can not kill
Pets or animals
old folks

or even
cut down trees

There are some things you do that take you out of the fold of Islam, I can't say Boko Haram members are not muslims because i am not a scholar but they are not acting according to Islam. (Bin laden and awlaki were declared non-muslims by many scholars)

If you live in a state and your rights are violated, you seek redress according to the laws of that state.

As an independent state, you can seek redress by other means,

My last comment:

Kay 17:

I don't see any justification in Boko Haram acts or Muhammad's conquest and killing of black animists.

then what point are you making exactly?

Hamza wasn't threatened physical, but struck the pagan. Boko Haram followed Muhammad's example, after "oppression" (like burning of a single koran) they can freely retaliate. Besides Muhammad robbed unarmed caravans, ordered a genocide. Sold off noncombatants (women and children) to slavery and kept the profits. He killed helpless black women because they were animists, burnt and destroyed fields and farms during sieges.

So Muhammad is not much different from Boko ha

If what they are doing is in line with the Quran teachings and the Hadiths, then they are the best of Muslims otherwise they are not.

Question: What they are doing is it in the Quran and the Hadiths?
Ans: Yes

dexmond: If what they are doing is in line with the Quran teachings and the Hadiths, then they are the best of Muslims otherwise they are not.

Question: What they are doing is it in the Quran and the Hadiths?
Ans: Yes

Where is your evidence? God help you if you post any material from any hate site here.

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FYA

^Messages are based on what? Yes, the protesters may carry placards 'in the name of Islam' but you have to ask where do they get their thought(s) from? I say probably from some very simplistic source and you have to ask- what made them angry? People don't just carry placards like that: it is either because they are sponsored or extremely angry. # FunnyPicture.

Placards as evidence will not hold in any court except for maybe a kanga roo court. Don't make me insult Kangaroos. Pretty intelligent animals they are.

Allah has sickened the hearts of disbelievers and increased their disease. He is a spiritual anti-doctor. 2:10

If you try to compose a surah that is better than those in the Quran, and then fail, Allah will burn you forever if you in the fire that he has prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24

Allah will shed human blood while angels praise him in heaven 2:30

They who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein." 2:39

Christians and Jews (who believe in only part of the Scripture), will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2

Allah says that you must keep fighting until there is no more persecution and everyone on earth is a Muslim. 2:193a

War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216

"Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead." 3:169-171

Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

Believers who kill believers will face the awful doom of hell. 4:93

Cut off the hands of thieves. It is an exemplary punishment from Allah. 5:38

Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72

When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 8:15-16

Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17

Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60

Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5

If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 9:39

Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111

Allah has destroyed many towns. 18:59

Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 33:60-61

Add up those anti-blasphemy laws of Islamic states.

^Anybody with half-a-brain will know that you are yanking verses out of context and in some cases outrightly lying up there. Shame on you.

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LOL!!

C'mon, pulling verses out of context?! The Quran has in numerous verses professed its HATRED for unbelievers, for ppl that don't have faith, for people that just don't want to be Muslims and practice whatever they think of.

Isn't it ironic for a book of peace, a book from heaven to contain such violent verses in the first place?? Isn't ironic that Islam has produced more terrorists than any other who fight for the dumb God's Cause. Its obviously these verses however they are "rightly" interpreted that motivate an Islamic terrorist to kill others.

At the prophet Mohammed has killed black animists, been a highway armed robber, married infants, an army general (isn't that strange for a prophet of peace) drawing authority from the Quran.

Kay 17: ^^^
LOL!!

C'mon, pulling verses out of context?! The Quran has in numerous verses professed its HATRED for unbelievers, for ppl that don't have faith, for people that just don't want to be Muslims and practice whatever they think of.

Isn't it ironic for a book of peace, a book from heaven to contain such violent verses in the first place?? Isn't ironic that Islam has produced more terrorists than any other [/b]who fight for the dumb God's Cause. [b]Its obviously these verses however they are "rightly" interpreted that motivate an Islamic terrorist to kill others.

At the prophet Mohammed has [s]killed black animists, been a highway armed robber, [/s]married infants, an army general (isn't that strange for a prophet of peace) drawing authority from the Quran.

If it is so obvious, why are you twisting the verses? They should be self-evident to buttress your point. How old are you? 10? The reason is given here by someone whom you cannot meet half-away as a non-Muslim intellectual try as you might. His name is Micheal Hart. He said: “It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history.”


http://www.institutealislam.com/the-100-a-ranking-of-the-most-influential-persons-in-history-muhammad-pbuh-no-1-by-by-sheikh-ahmed-deedat/

Go and sit down and let us hear word you are just buzzing around like an annoying mosquito waiting to be squashed!

Read about Micheal Hart's book, 'The 100' here- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100

Your betters have spoken, why should I continue to humour you with your abject ignorance .