who said d North produce agricultural products? just remove Nasarawa my state,Benue,Plateau,Niger,Kogi,Taraba, even Southern Kaduna (MIDDLE BELT). & i tell u d odas NORTH produce notin but TERRORIST,ALMAJIRI. oh sori dey produce SUYA

Plus the billions of naira paid every year by the hardworking traders from Onitsha,nnewi and oba markets to the nigerian customs,the airports etc (which ends up in the coffers of govt)

This thread is nonsense. A big illusion. The topic should rather read: how much do your state/LG grabs from the national cake- allocations, projects, special funds, poverty assistance, amnesty training etc.

well my state conributes to nigeria in the following ways.oil and gas, palm oil
while my l.g.a has contributed to this nation by producing nigeria's biggest actress. Nigerias first olympic gold medalist, nigerias second african best footballer. Well i think we've tried enough for nigeria

Why are some pple so idiotic? The question is what does ur state or lg contribute to national development nd u go on to accuse GEJ. Very soon u will begin to blame GEJ for ur failure to make ur wife pregnant.

Garba Audu: This thread is nonsense. A big illusion. The topic should rather read: how much do your state/LG grabs from the national cake- allocations, projects, special funds, poverty assistance, amnesty training etc.

That is what the thread is about. Don't you feel it is a deep embarrassment that states cannot survive without FG help of some sort? Dude, I published a list of cities that make more money than Nigeria. Why should mere cities make more money than an entire country if something is not culturally wrong with that country?
I have said that Nigeria is stricken with a culture of indolence, do you have a better explanation?

Eazee-e:
who said d North produce agricultural products? just remove Nasarawa my state,Benue,Plateau,Niger,Kogi,Taraba, even Southern Kaduna (MIDDLE BELT). & i tell u d odas NORTH produce notin but TERRORIST,ALMAJIRI. oh sori dey produce SUYA

eeyyaa, I no know say u still de vex after many centuries of slavery. Sorry o. Anyway, permission to call urself southerner. Dabba!

Contributing to nigeria is like pouring pure water into the ocean.
an exercise in futility and foolishness.
nigeria should be left to rot and disntegrate.
I can't wait to see ofemmanus queuing up for visa at the biafran embassy in lagos.

emron1: well my state conributes to nigeria in the following ways.oil and gas, palm oil
while my l.g.a has contributed to this nation by producing nigeria's biggest actress[b]1[/b]. Nigerias first olympic gold medalist[b]2[/b], nigerias second african best footballer[b]3[/b]. Well i think we've tried enough for nigeria

1. Genevieve
2. Chioma Ajunwa
3. Pappilloooooo!

Are you from Imo?

Beaf:

That is what the thread is about. Don't you feel it is a deep embarrassment that states cannot survive without FG help of some sort? Dude, I published a list of cities that make more money than Nigeria. Why should mere cities make more money than an entire country if something is not culturally wrong with that country?
I have said that Nigeria is stricken with a culture of indolence, do you have a better explanation?

hey dude, i wish i can take care of my locality not to mention contributing to the center. But we have a big problem as Nigerians- lack of unity. Without unity among various ethnic tribes there will never be progress in that country. As i'm writing this, i'm very pessimistic about 2015.- is there gonna be election? A military coup? Country disintegration? Or a bloody civil war? Allahu a'lam. So friend, you can see Nigeria is a very unfortunate project.

chuksikem: @flyboy,

dude quit blaming the mallams for your woes...its not their fault you have very incompetent leaders...go check how much your little state has gotten from the FAAC acct,13%derivation ..and the numerous IGR..gotten from multi companies operating in that area from 1999-date..it is mind blowing.your leaders are just daylight thieves...bayelsa should be competing with the likes of dubai and suncity if those thieving governors atleast invested 60% of the money in that state.

@topic


My state ANAMBRA STATE..light of the entire black nation is the headquarters of industries..from vehicle,motor-cycle,breweries..etc..all manner of industries are sited in that noble state....we export various agricultural products chief among them being palm oil...we also have abundant crude oil and other petroleum products...oops...and the first privately built refinery...orient petroleum is sited in my pacesetter state..not to mention the millions of responsible and pace setting individuals from my state contributing to the growth of nigeria and the entire human race....my hand don dey pain me self...

unlyk my bornonistan state wey na bombs we dey take contribute

Garba Audu:
hey dude, i wish i can take care of my locality not to mention contributing to the center. But we have a big problem as a Nigerians- lack of unity. Without unity among various ethnic tribes there will never be progress in that country. As i'm writing this, i'm very pessimistic about 2015.- is there gonna be election? A military coup? Country disintegration? Or a bloody civil war? Allahu a'lam. So friend, you can see Nigeria is a very unfortunate project.

Lol! Its a vicious cycle, cos the lack of unity is caused by the shame of failure. Every section looks within, see's nothing worth shouting halleluya about and attacks the weakest section they can identify.
I can bet you that if each square foot of Nigeria was successful, there would be no cause for disunity, talkless ethnic bigotry.

The key is positively identifying the root causes of our collective failure as a nation, manning up to it and tearing it down. Let us identify the root cause of why we are neither creative nor productive.
IMHO, it is because of these three things:
1. There is a national inferiority complex from our colonial past that kills self-belief which is essential for industrialisation.
2. Too many years under highly centralised military regimes have made the concept of states and LG's actually generating wealth internally quite alien.
3. We have become so used to a culture of freebies that we cannot imagine having to actually invent and manufacture goods.

The above factors to me, amount to a culture of indolence that needs to be broken.

That is the real problem in Nigeria; INDOLENCE, LAZINESS and Free Gift. Let the federal govt stand up to their duties of developing the infrastructures and quit giving free money to states and you will see our GDP soaring because each state out of necessity will start generating her own income. lets start practicing " to your tent oh Israel wen it comes to economic issues" lets start true fiscal/economic federalism. NECESSITY they say is the father of INVENTION!

Ejiné:

1. Genevieve
2. Chioma Ajunwa
3. Pappilloooooo!

Are you from Imo?

yes and its amunike not papiloo

chuksikem: @flyboy,

dude quit blaming the mallams for your woes...its not their fault you have very incompetent leaders...go check how much your little state has gotten from the FAAC acct,13%derivation ..and the numerous IGR..gotten from multi companies operating in that area from 1999-date..it is mind blowing.your leaders are just daylight thieves...bayelsa should be competing with the likes of dubai and suncity if those thieving governors atleast invested 60% of the money in that state.

@topic


My state ANAMBRA STATE..light of the entire black nation is the headquarters of industries..from vehicle,motor-cycle,breweries..etc..all manner of industries are sited in that noble state....we export various agricultural products chief among them being palm oil...we also have abundant crude oil and other petroleum products...oops...and the first privately built refinery...orient petroleum is sited in my pacesetter state..not to mention the millions of responsible and pace setting individuals from my state contributing to the growth of nigeria and the entire human race....my hand don dey pain me self...

bittyend: @ Joey82

Oil palm trees that produces palm kernels used for palm oil don't produce palm wine. Why are some Nigerians stupidly dumb?? Palmyra, and Coconut palms produces palm wine - and those trees are more in SW than any other region in Nigeria.

You dont sound knowledgable enough on palmie. The same palm tree that produce palm nut, palm oil also produce palmie. How in the world can you say coconut tree produces palmie. By the way, palm tree nuts and oil are the major ingredients in soap and cosmetics making. Also palm kernels dont produce palm oil that we use in cooking. By the way, East is the Nigeria's major producer of this commodity. I guess you are the real dummie here.

Beaf:

My guy, this is escapist na.
What sort of thing does the FG need to do to make a state governor or LG boss create industries in their domain?

We cry a lot about true federalism, and it is a legitimate cry. However, what is there to make a state that is unproductive suddenly become productive with the advent of true federalism? I don't see anything; what is required is wholesale cultural reorientation to enable people realise that they can actually generate much more wealth locally than the FG ever can. When we acheive that then states would actually be self sufficient and in a position to reject any FG money as belittling beggars money (as happens in the US).

The sad truth is that Nigeria has been overtaken by a culture of indolence. Check out the number of cities that make more money than Nigeria and tell me the fault is not Nigerian culture.

Well, GEJ could start by allowing the diFferent states pay whatever minimum wage they feel like, fixing power supply so the states would find different ways to take advantage through manufacturing, mechanized farming incentives etc. (The states should be encouraged to create their own power stations too or atleast come together in groups for this purpose).

He could also influence the NASS for constitutional reforms unchaining the LG chairmen from being mere puppet heads to the leaders of change @ the grassroots that they should be.

Lastly, he should sit down with the Governors Forum and they can have an SNC right there. Let them discuss what each state wants and how the Federal Govtment can come in. They can decide on developmental metrics (like the MDGs) to encourage GDP growth @ state level with incentives available for those who perform.

Ensure corruptiont cases are completed in 6- 8 months. Sing praises of the Fasholas, Lamido's and Akpabio's, let the rest lazy governors see how governance should be.

Allow states keep a larger portion of their IGR. Also let them develop their own solid minerals industries as a test run to finally allowing the SS control over the bureacracy of oil exploration and mining etc.

If he can do all these, then the vast majority of Nigerians would have little to complain about.

Does anyone have GDP estimates for the 36 states?

Flyboy Zee: Well Beaf, Why is everyone avoiding your questions? Maybe its because, they know their states are nothing but parasites on the wealth of other states.

I am from Bayelsa and my state contributes a lot of oil revenue which Naija has been exploiting to no end without any recourse to what we the Bayelsans stands to gain or loose. This is actually not fair o and I know God will punish all those mallams that made our country like this.

y is it dat d blame for naija's woes r heaped directly or indirectly on d mallams?!aint d igwes and kabiyesis part of d problem?God no b cobbler my guy

Beaf:

Lol! Its a vicious cycle, cos the lack of unity is caused by the shame of failure. Every section looks within, see's nothing worth shouting halleluya about and attacks the weakest section they can identify.
I can bet you that if each square foot of Nigeria was successful, there would be no cause for disunity, talkless ethnic bigotry.

The key is positively identifying the root causes of our collective failure as a nation, manning up to it and tearing it down. Let us identify the root cause of why we are neither creative nor productive.
IMHO, it is because of these three things:
1. There is a national inferiority complex from our colonial past that kills self-belief which is essential for industrialisation.
2. Too many years under highly centralised military regimes have made the concept of states and LG's actually generating wealth internally quite alien.
3. We have become so used to a culture of freebies that we cannot imagine having to actually invent and manufacture goods.

The above factors to me, amount to a culture of indolence that needs to be broken.

i go for nos 2&3. those are the real problem.

Good job beaf.

^
Thanks bruv.

Iolo:

Well, GEJ could start by allowing the diFferent states pay whatever minimum wage they feel like, fixing power supply so the states would find different ways to take advantage through manufacturing, mechanized farming incentives etc. (The states should be encouraged to create their own power stations too or atleast come together in groups for this purpose).

He could also influence the NASS for constitutional reforms unchaining the LG chairmen from being mere puppet heads to the leaders of change @ the grassroots that they should be.

Lastly, he should sit down with the Governors Forum and they can have an SNC right there. Let them discuss what each state wants and how the Federal Govtment can come in. They can decide on developmental metrics (like the MDGs) to encourage GDP growth @ state level with incentives available for those who perform.

Ensure corruptiont cases are completed in 6- 8 months. Sing praises of the Fasholas, Lamido's and Akpabio's, let the rest lazy governors see how governance should be.

Allow states keep a larger portion of their IGR. Also let them develop their own solid minerals industries as a test run to finally allowing the SS control over the bureacracy of oil exploration and mining etc.

If he can do all these, then the vast majority of Nigerians would have little to complain about.

I don't see how GEJ has any part to play in the development of the states and LG's. Those things should be purely the business of the state governors and LG chairmen. It is not as if they have been tied down with marine rope; so why can't they be dynamic?

As for power, GEJ has already okayed it for states, LG's and even individual businesses to own power stations.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that GEJ as President has no part to play in the direction the country goes. No, I am asking a deeper question, which is: do we really understand the duties of governance that our state governors and LG bosses owe us? The thrust of the question is that, if a person does not understand how a machine should operate, then it doesn't make sense to give them a better version of that machine. In other words, for Nigeria to develop, we each need to understand the part every tier of govt plays from LG to FG and we need to vigorously demand our due from each of them. It is not ok to have two tiers of govt (state and LG) loafing about with the full permission of the citizenry.

I really like your pointing out that the LG should be the engine of development from the grassroots. Nothing could be truer, however we have the unfortunate situtaion where LG bosses are the equivalent of houseboys to the governors. This is because they collect allocations on behalf of the LG's and disburse them as they wish. The governors kicked very hard when GEJ got the Revenue Mobilization Allocation and Fiscal Commission (RMAFC) to work on disconnecting LG and state accounts, so that LG's can get their allocations directly and be truly independent. The problems we have are many and we only become more enslaved when we allow our states and LG's to operate like they have no civil, legal and moral responsibilities.

As for governors holding an SNC with GEJ, that will not happen. Most governors want Nigeria to continue just the way it is; they don't need to lift a finger because free money flows in from Abuja which they can divert into their personal accounts, because the peoples eyes are on Abuja instead of nearer home. The governors extreme aversion to an SNC is evident in the Northern governors seemingly ridiculous demands for 13% derivation; those demands stop being ridiculous as soon as you conclude that they are making an open threat to scuttle the SNC with impossible demands even before it takes off.

I hope you can see some of the reasons why we need to place more pressure on our governors and LG bosses.

Beaf,u make my heart warm with ur contributions 90% of the time.unlike most of us who just think through our butts.imagine sme fool saying that palm wine comes from cocoa trees or sme shyte lke that.that is the most idiotic thing i have ever heard in my adult life.(hope that he/she doesnt teach his children that) majority of the states produces alot actually,bt the government at the centre over the years encouraged laziness and indolence.many states and lgas have markets,tourist centres that they can develop and lots of other things that can generate funds 4 them,bt what do they do? they wait 4 month-end to run over to Abuja and get the loots that they will share with their buddies while leaving the average joe citizen more impoverished.its a crying shame and till this nonsense stops,we will only be heading to the rocks.by the way,my region is a major producer and exporter of local and internal terrorism ala BOKO HARAM,ALMAJERIS and being a complete nuisance and parasite to other citizens of this nation.

Mr. Globe:
Nothing.... Atleast until you tell me what good your puppet master GEJ has done for Nigeria and how you want to make him perform

Answer the queston man! The patriotic truth remains; what have u done to make nigeria better? A question has been put forward to u and u are here dodging it with senseless counters! Asking what jonathan has done! Have u asked what our leaders from balewa down to obj to ensure good issuing forth from successive leaders? What good was there from that time till nw to be emulated or command continuity? All we do is apportion blames! We kip collecting from the state, gang rapeing her and not being consciencious over what will become of her and us as days go by! When disaster stricks(economically) against nigeria what zimbabwe suffered can't be comparable with that then!

Mr. Globe:
Nothing.... Atleast until you tell me what good your puppet master GEJ has done for Nigeria and how you want to make him perform

Answer the queston man! The patriotic truth remains; what have u done to make nigeria better? A question has been put forward to u and u are here dodging it with senseless counters! Asking what jonathan has done! Have u asked what our leaders from balewa down to obj did to ensure good issuing forth from successive leaders? What good was there from that time till nw to be emulated or command continuity? All we do is apportion blames! We kip collecting from the state, gang raping her and not being consciencious over what will become of her and us as days go by! When disaster stricks(economicall) against nigeria what zimbabwe suffered can't be comparable with that then!

Abeg my state Kwara dey produce plenty milk and cheese ooo. Make una no dey buy china milk wey dey tainted with heavy metal oo. i don warn una.

Abia state:
Lets skip the abundant reserve of oil stored on-shore.
Agriculture- produces cash crops such as palm oil, cashew, palm wine, cassava.
Human resources- in spite of recurring bad governance, abians are one of the most resourceful people in Nigeria, aba, the japan of africa is an example. With one of the largest markets in africa, aba generates massive revenue for LG, state and federal govt.
My local govt, umuahia produces solid minerals such as kaolin and talc, with active sites in ohiya. Kaolin and talc are the major constituents of paint, powder, chalk and costmetics. They are minned locally with crude technology that can match any advanced process anywhere. Both Kaolin and talc from umuahia are exported in a refined state, rather than in its raw state, as Nigeria does with crude.

Beaf puts up pictures of power stations owned by "lgs" in the uk but doesn't state that Lg's in Nigeria can't build power stations cos its against the law.
There are minerals in the north but they can't be mined cos only the FG is allowed to give mining license. So whenever people from the south south(me inclusive) claim people from the north are just feeding on their oil money, we should remember that a south south president has refused to develop the solid mineral sector of the north.

I don't agree with the idea of comparing economies that have existed before the amalgamation of 1914,with our dear nation.
True we must task our political representatives on accountability,which is why a lot of people criticize the FG.
But then enterprise goes on in every locale,so some responses on this thread obviously portray the lack of understanding of the subject matter.
Internal generated revenue is poor in Nigeria because corrupt officials abound in every state and lg. The methods of tax collection are primitive and inimical to the very aim of such activity. The Nigerian nation only this year just liberalised the power sector,this and many other factors have been responsible for slow development.

lari03: I don't agree with the idea of comparing economies that have existed before the amalgamation of 1914,with our dear nation.
True we must task our political representatives on accountability,which is why a lot of people criticize the FG.
But then enterprise goes on in every locale,so some responses on this thread obviously portray the lack of understanding of the subject matter.
Internal generated revenue is poor in Nigeria because corrupt officials abound in every state and lg. The methods of tax collection are primitive and inimical to the very aim of such activity. The Nigerian nation only this year just liberalised the power sector,this and many other factors have been responsible for slow development.

very sensible contribution.
Our constitution doesn't even permit the kind of liberalization that the likes of California have enjoyed. Take education and healthcare: most states have not been able to fund education or healthcare institutions that they set up, hence the persistent agitation for federal institutions in their states.

The states that are making some effort these days (Akwa Ibom, Rivers), are only able to do so due to revenue allocation boosts they received. Even with that, massive corruption still rules those states.

Musiwa,wow am impress.Personally I will stop saying d north is a parasite.

Beaf: ^
Thanks bruv.



I don't see how GEJ has any part to play in the development of the states and LG's. Those things should be purely the business of the state governors and LG chairmen. It is not as if they have been tied down with marine rope; so why can't they be dynamic?

As for power, GEJ has already okayed it for states, LG's and even individual businesses to own power stations.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that GEJ as President has no part to play in the direction the country goes. No, I am asking a deeper question, which is: do we really understand the duties of governance that our state governors and LG bosses owe us? The thrust of the question is that, if a person does not understand how a machine should operate, then it doesn't make sense to give them a better version of that machine. In other words, for Nigeria to develop, we each need to understand the part every tier of govt plays from LG to FG and we need to vigorously demand our due from each of them. It is not ok to have two tiers of govt (state and LG) loafing about with the full permission of the citizenry.

I really like your pointing out that the LG should be the engine of development from the grassroots. Nothing could be truer, however we have the unfortunate situtaion where LG bosses are the equivalent of houseboys to the governors. This is because they collect allocations on behalf of the LG's and disburse them as they wish. The governors kicked very hard when GEJ got the Revenue Mobilization Allocation and Fiscal Commission (RMAFC) to work on disconnecting LG and state accounts, so that LG's can get their allocations directly and be truly independent. The problems we have are many and we only become more enslaved when we allow our states and LG's to operate like they have no civil, legal and moral responsibilities.

As for governors holding an SNC with GEJ, that will not happen. Most governors want Nigeria to continue just the way it is; they don't need to lift a finger because free money flows in from Abuja which they can divert into their personal accounts, because the peoples eyes are on Abuja instead of nearer home. The governors extreme aversion to an SNC is evident in the Northern governors seemingly ridiculous demands for 13% derivation; those demands stop being ridiculous as soon as you conclude that they are making an open threat to scuttle the SNC with impossible demands even before it takes off.

I hope you can see some of the reasons why we need to place more pressure on our governors and LG bosses.

The thing is that most states can do only little in the present state. The FG holds too much powers and because the constitution has done nothing to define the roles of citizens as residents and indigenes, this leaves the average person not caring about what's happening @ the State and LG levels.

Realistically I dare say that LGs in the North are much closer to the people than in the South (even if its only for sharing money purposes)cause Northerners dnt move around as much as the Southerners do.

The OccupyNigeria protests were a huge reminder that besides the FG, there's really no other level of Govt that the people are ready to hold accountable. Nobody asked questions on what the states and LGs wud do wiv their monies even tho they were collectively getting a larger share than the FG.

I for example don't knw the name of the LG chairman of my place of residence. I've never known this cause its not relevant to me.

What I'm saying is that we reaLly need to define the roles of residents and owners of the lands in the community. Once everyone begins to feel a sense of ownership in the states where they reside, you'd have people place more pressure on the States and LG.

The sad truth is that the elite will continue using ethnicity and tribal shinaginans to divide the average populace. The fact that your IGBO living in the SW for sometime should give u a sense of ownership in the SW, but that isn't the case today.