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Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Henry40: 11:19am On Mar 23, 2012
Akainzo:

In the church, you do sign the Marriage registry which is a documentation of the process you have just performed. It does not invalidate what the law says. I however recognise that most churches decide to issue the Court sanctioned Marriage Certificate rather than the Religious one, and this is to protect the brides marrying in the church. They do this to ensure that weddings in churches are under the court injunctions and thus prevent one from contracting another wedding.

The cause or classes of marriage has no effect on the Marriage Act, only the Marriage Act stipulates the legal marriages in Nigeria and the reliefs available there of.

I have a series of provisions that contradict the bolded. One of them is Part I Sctn 8 MCA

The jurisdiction conferred on a court by this Act shall be exercised in accordance with this Act, and any law in force immediately before the commencement of this Act which confers jurisdiction in divorce or matrimonial causes on the High Court of a State or provides for the law and practice to be applied in the exercise of that jurisdiction shall, to the extent that it does so, cease to have effect.

And yet you say "only the Marriage Act stipulates the legal marriages in Nigeria and the reliefs available there of."
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Akainzo(m): 11:19am On Mar 23, 2012
Babzilla: The reason why this may be is because the traditional marriage as we know it is more of a ceremony thing with no documentation whatsoever. just saying.

You are supposed to complete the documentation after the ceremony. This is teh same like for teh Yorubas, they do the naming ceremony on the 8th day and then proceed to the local government office to do Births Registration, would you consider that the baby has not been properly named since there was no documentation on the 8th day?
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Henry40: 11:23am On Mar 23, 2012
Akainzo:

You are supposed to complete the documentation after the ceremony. This is teh same like for teh Yorubas, they do the naming ceremony on the 8th day and then proceed to the local government office to do Births Registration, would you consider that the baby has not been properly named since there was no documentation on the 8th day?

Seriously? If there's no birth certificate how would an objective outsider be certain that they baby's name is what he/she says it is, and that she/he was actually born on the day he/she claims?
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Akainzo(m): 11:26am On Mar 23, 2012
Henry40:

I have a series of provisions that contradict the bolded. One of them is Part I Sctn 8 MCA

The jurisdiction conferred on a court by this Act shall be exercised in accordance with this Act, and any law in force immediately before the commencement of this Act which confers jurisdiction in divorce or matrimonial causes on the High Court of a State or provides for the law and practice to be applied in the exercise of that jurisdiction shall, to the extent that it does so, cease to have effect.

And yet you say "only the Marriage Act stipulates the legal marriages in Nigeria and the reliefs available there of."

And which Act of the federal government are you quoting? But you can also see that what you quoted that it only serves to remove jurisifction for that 'act' from the High Court and might serve to limit it to the customary court.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Henry40: 11:31am On Mar 23, 2012
Akainzo:


And which Act of the federal government are you quoting? But you can also see that what you quoted that it only serves to remove jurisifction for that 'act' from the High Court and might serve to limit it to the customary court.

That was simply a reply to the statement you made

only the Marriage Act stipulates the legal marriages in Nigeria and the reliefs available there of.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Akainzo(m): 11:31am On Mar 23, 2012
Henry40:

Seriously? If there's no birth certificate how would an objective outsider be certain that they baby's name is what he/she says it is, and that she/he was actually born on the day he/she claims?

I hope you are not muddling things here. I replied to someone else who was using the lack of documentation at a traditional wedding ceremeony to say it is not legal. So I used the analogy of the Yoruba custom of naming and how one does the documentation after the ceremony to illustrate.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Akainzo(m): 11:33am On Mar 23, 2012
Henry40: That was simply a reply to the statement you made

The act you quoted was which one? A Marriage Act, a Police Act or what? tell me which partof the laws of FRN that quote came from.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Henry40: 11:33am On Mar 23, 2012
Akainzo:

I hope you are not muddling things here. I replied to someone else who was using the lack of documentation at a traditional wedding ceremeony to say it is not legal. So I used the analogy of the Yoruba custom of naming and how one does the documentation after the ceremony to illustrate.

Forget that post now, it's irrelevant now!
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Henry40: 11:34am On Mar 23, 2012
The Matrimonial Causes Act

CAP 220 LFN 1990

Or

CAP M7 LFN 2004
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Akainzo(m): 11:41am On Mar 23, 2012
Henry40: The Matrimonial Causes Act

CAP 220 LFN 1990

I guessed as much but wanted you to say it. I needed to know if you were a the law profession. grin grin grin

Now let me clarify for you, The Matrimonial Cause Act, CAP 220 of 1990, deals with the dissolution of ALREADY contracted marriages.
While the Marriage Act, CAP 218 of 1990 deals with HOW NEW marriages are contracted.

In this particular case, we are discussing the act of marrying, which is performing marriages and not dissolution, matrimonial benefits, conjugal rights or custody rights. I hope it is now clear to you?
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Henry40: 11:48am On Mar 23, 2012
Akainzo:

I guessed as much but wanted you to say it. I needed to know if you were a the law profession. grin grin grin

Now let me clarify for you, The Matrimonial Cause Act, CAP 220 of 1990, deals with the dissolution of ALREADY contracted marriages.
While the Marriage Act, CAP 218 of 1990 deals with HOW NEW marriages are contracted.

In this particular case, we are discussing the act of marrying, which is performing marriages and not dissolution, matrimonial benefits, conjugal rights or custody rights. I hope it is now clear to you?

Well the poster wasn't talking about "How new marriages are contracted," he was talking about the international recognition of marriages already contracted! I say marriages contracted under Nigerian law are the only internationally recognized marriages, what do you say?
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by charles316: 11:51am On Mar 23, 2012
THIS JOBFRONT needs a job as soon as possible.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Akainzo(m): 11:51am On Mar 23, 2012
Henry40:

Well the poster wasn't talking about "How new marriages are contracted," he was talking about the international recognition of marriages already contracted! I say marriages contracted under Nigerian law are the only internationally recognized marriages, what do you say?

I have said and continue to say, marriages contracted under Nigerian law are the only internationally recognized marriages, which can be a. Court Weddings b. Religious (Church/Nikai) or c. Customary under Nigerian Customs or common law.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Henry40: 11:56am On Mar 23, 2012
Akainzo:

I have said and continue to say, marriages contracted under Nigerian law are the only internationally recognized marriages, which can be a. Court Weddings b. Religious (Church/Nikai) or c. Customary under Nigerian Customs or common law.

I shall modify. I meant Nigerian Laws that have undergone legislative process.

A customary marriage is not a marriage under Nigerian law {under the above context}, it's one under Nigerian Customs.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Henry40: 12:02pm On Mar 23, 2012
charles316: THIS JOBFRONT needs a job as soon as possible.


Hahahaha!!

Most certainly NOT from the likes of you!!! Now go to a corner and continue following the teachings of your pastor Oya-kill-ome!
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Sagamite(m): 12:25pm On Mar 23, 2012
jobfront: UNESCO was formed to promote and recognize all united nation member countries' culture and tradition,
and to also preserve them, and Nigeria is a full member. what am I trying to say? They need to recognize and respect our culture and tradition the way we respect theirs. when an american living in Nigeria wants to bring his white spouse to Nigeria, do Nigerian embassy force him to go and perform an african traditional wedding to show that truly he is married to the woman he is bringing in? This shows we are inferior to them, that our culture & tradition is inferior to theirs, which ought to change now. They need to start recognizing our Traditional marriages since it is recognized and respected by us. And this should also be applicable to our courts. I wonder what the ministry of culture and tradition is doing, sighs.

What a dumb arse rant.

Was UNESCO formed for one party to recognise another party's culture and tradition?

Or was UNESCO even formed for one party to be forced to help another party promote its culture and tradition?

What was your point with this UNESCO rant? Did you use your brain before you vomitted this?

this would have been your argument if you were to right an academic paper?

Honestly, I wonder how some of you passed exams in school with zero thinking. Talkless of critical thinking.

If you can not accept US rules, show you are not "inferior" by refusing to go to their country.

GAWD! FCK DEMOCRACY! FCK ONE MAN, ONE VOTE!
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Sagamite(m): 12:32pm On Mar 23, 2012
jobfront: the traditional bangles given to me by my father-in-law and mother-in-law, plus pics, and several other cultural and traditional evidences should be able to convince them that i am married to the lady. i dont want a girl who never knew how i suffered to mke money and wealth to come tomorrow to claim my sufferings in the name of being my wife. she will only enjoy my wealth when she stays with me, if i die, she gets nothing cos she must be a suspec, so that she will be praying for me to live long life and not planning to kill me to inherit my wealth.

This guy is obviously a person illiterate. grin grin grin

I wasted my time asking him how he passed in school.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Akainzo(m): 1:28pm On Mar 23, 2012
Henry40:

I shall modify. I meant Nigerian Laws that have undergone legislative process.

A customary marriage is not a marriage under Nigerian law {under the above context}, it's one under Nigerian Customs.


In all context, the Nigerian Law recognises the Nigerian customs (made up of teh customs of all tribes in Nigeria), so I am at a loss as to how you arrive at your NOT statement.

Note this in the Nigerian Marriage (Validation) Act, CAP 219 of 1990, Section 5 precisely states


5. Nothing in this Act shall-
(a) apply to any moslem marriage or customary law marriage;


Pray tell me, which of the customary law marriages not recognised by the law was it referring to?
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by juman(m): 2:08pm On Mar 23, 2012
jobfront: the traditional bangles given to me by my father-in-law and mother-in-law, plus pics, and several other cultural and traditional evidences should be able to convince them that i am married to the lady. i dont want a girl who never knew how i suffered to mke money and wealth to come tomorrow to claim my sufferings in the name of being my wife. she will only enjoy my wealth when she stays with me, if i die, she gets nothing cos she must be a suspec, so that she will be praying for me to live long life and not planning to kill me to inherit my wealth.

charles316: THIS JOBFRONT needs a job as soon as possible.

grin grin grin

La Ilaha Illallahu Muhammadur Rasulullah.

Oh oh @Op. grin
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Btruth: 2:19pm On Mar 23, 2012
Mrs.Chima:


Exactly. They should be in and out less than 30 minutes.


Court weddings aren't like traditional weddings. No one exchanging money and throwing cow piss on anyone. Just nod your head and sign the damn paper.

Give unto Ceaser what's unto Ceaser. Case closed.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Nobody: 2:22pm On Mar 23, 2012
jobfront: the traditional bangles given to me by my father-in-law and mother-in-law, plus pics, and several other cultural and traditional evidences should be able to convince them that i am married to the lady. i dont want a girl who never knew how i suffered to mke money and wealth to come tomorrow to claim my sufferings in the name of being my wife. she will only enjoy my wealth when she stays with me, if i die, she gets nothing cos she must be a suspec , so that she will be praying for me to live long life and not planning to kill me to inherit my wealth.

Why worrying about what you don't have already? Btw you're very selfish tho. I think you're one of them Nigerians that thinks having life insurance is a ticket to early grave.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Assalaam(f): 3:57pm On Mar 23, 2012
jobfront: the traditional bangles given to me by my father-in-law and mother-in-law, plus pics, and several other cultural and traditional evidences should be able to convince them that i am married to the lady. i dont want a girl who never knew how i suffered to mke money and wealth to come tomorrow to claim my sufferings in the name of being my wife. she will only enjoy my wealth when she stays with me, if i die, she gets nothing cos she must be a suspec, so that she will be praying for me to live long life and not planning to kill me to inherit my wealth.
typical nigerian men thinking, i dont know what pple like you take women for. Its only GOD that can save women from this mess.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by dasparrow: 4:45pm On Mar 23, 2012
As-salaam:
typical nigerian men thinking, i dont know what pple like you take women for. Its only GOD that can save women from this mess.

Honestly.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Nobody: 7:22pm On Mar 23, 2012
Hahahaha....really? pls contact me for the next available job in your firm, will appreciate. u guys are the ones empowering Nigerian ladies to be killing their husbands they married because of his wealth to remarry their ex love they met either in school or in church or from one dungeon, idions, pls wisen up. my wealth is for my kids, my wife gets nothing if i die untimely cos she will be using my wealth to date some idiots like some of u guys. she cannot get kobo, she will have access to my funds when i am alive, or when the kids get to age of 25 to manage it. if u don't like my idea, try & hug the nearest transformer in your area, you will feel happy and wouldn't need to worry about my idea anymore, jeez! oops! jobf, wtf did u just say? sorry, was only strolling by...lolz. now haven't u wondered y rich Nigerian men always die before their wives, and these wives start to look happier than when the man was alive? ask yourself that, why do rich guys in Nigeria die before their wives, most times at a very early age of highest 45, y?? idions learn o...or come & join the new club, pv me & i will detail u.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Sagamite(m): 7:55pm On Mar 23, 2012
jobfront: Hahahaha....really? pls contact me for the next available job in your firm, will appreciate. u guys are the ones empowering Nigerian ladies to be killing their husbands they married because of his wealth to remarry their ex love they met either in school or in church or from one dungeon, idions, pls wisen up. my wealth is for my kids, my wife gets nothing if i die untimely cos she will be using my wealth to date some idiots like some of u guys. she cannot get kobo, she will have access to my funds when i am alive, or when the kids get to age of 25 to manage it. if u don't like my idea, try & hug the nearest transformer in your area, you will feel happy and wouldn't need to worry about my idea anymore, jeez! oops! jobf, wtf did u just say? sorry, was only strolling by...lolz. now haven't u wondered y rich Nigerian men always die before their wives, and these wives start to look happier than when the man was alive? ask yourself that, why do rich guys in Nigeria die before their wives, most times at a very early age of highest 45, y?? idions learn o...or come & join the new club, pv me & i will detail u.

What a fcuktard! grin

I am never wrong on such identification. cheesy
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by ada24: 10:06pm On Mar 23, 2012
jobfront - i see the years you spent undergoing formal education passed thru you with no impact - did u really ask why do these rich men die b4 their wives? are u stupid or just mentally challenged.

Do u even check the ages of these men and their wives? u know there is a saying that when u try to reason with a f/ool u end up looking like one after a while so I will stop now!!

wow i did not know people could disgrace themselves by actually typing rubbish online.

WOW
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by Divine3: 12:01am On Mar 24, 2012
Well that urs, 4 me, at the US embassy wen they ask 4 proof of marriage i gave them my wedding cert. also the ask 4 pics, i gave the white lady the white wedding pics but she insisted on the tradition marriage pics. tank God i went with both albums and 4 the records if u are married going 4 interview @ the embassy, carry ur album(both) nt just few pics cos they will think u faked the married.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by lastpage: 10:38am On Mar 24, 2012
jobfront: now haven't u wondered y rich Nigerian men always die before their wives, and these wives start to look happier than when the man was alive? ask yourself that, why do rich guys in Nigeria die before their wives, most times at a very early age of highest 45, y?? idions learn o...or come & join the new club, pv me & i will detail u.
Emm, can peeps please remain "civil" on this thread?
Cant we learn from "Akainzo & Henry40"?
These guys DISAGREE but put their points across in a civil manner, without any form of personal insults to one another!
At least everyone is entitled to voice their opinion, no matter how silly you think it is (and you might actually be the ignorant one! grin ).

JOBFRONT: Where did you get or how did you come to the conclusion above?
Do you have "data" to support your claim or you're just making inferences from a few "cases/observations"?

Why l ask this question is that l personally know of a man, doing well in Business at Ikeja Computer Village(a lot of people know him, he use to sell Computers and Accessories and was doing very well until he got murdered by his wife, of recent; the story was even on Nairaland, cant remember his name right now).

I also know that in Benin (Old Bendel State) (apologies to peeps from there, just an observation!), all you hear is "Mama Landlady", all the Landlords are dead! Its so widespread that as a Youth Corper, l was forced to ask my "Mama Landlady" what it is that makes the "Baba Landlord" to die mid-age while their wife now enjoys his hard labour? In some street,all the houses are "Mama Landlady"!

I am just curious to know if there is any supporting "evidence" to such "happens-stance".

Cheers.

Lastpage!
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by emmiesky(m): 11:29pm On Mar 24, 2012
I am not suprised by this. The integrity of Nigerians is called to question here. We Nigerians will do anything just to go the white man's land. I don't blame the embassies but Nigerians who travel abroad & tarnish/rub d name of our GREAT country NIGERIA in the mud.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by tpia5: 3:25am On Mar 26, 2012
the traditional bangles given to me by my father-in-law and mother-in-law, (plus pics, and several other cultural and traditional evidences)should be able to convince them that i am married to the lady


when i said the iq level has dropped significantly on nl, people thought i was being unnecessarily nasty.


anyway! poster, na your type oyibo dey prefer, so just run along to the embassies with your traditional bangles as proof of marriage. You fit jam luck.


seun this your [sub][/sub] thingy doesnt seem to be working.
Re: Why Do Foreign Embassies Reject Our Nigerian Traditional Weddings? by ayemko: 12:22pm On Mar 27, 2013
i did all three weddings i wishd i had just done the native wedding i wouldn't be where i sadly am today

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