It literally means "kufr less than kufr" Promoting the aqeedah of kufr duna kufr which was originated from Abdullah bn Abbaas authentically reported from him. Example is if a man cheats on his wife, it is kufr duna kufr. If a man drinks alcohol, it is kufr duna kufr. The Prophet(saw) said when you insult your muslim brothe or sister, it is a sin but when you fight him/her, the it is kufr duna kufr. We the members of Ahlus-sunnah believe if muslims fight each other, it is kufr duna kufr because Ali and Mu'awiyyah fought andAli and A'isha also fought and we dont make Takfir on Ali and Mu'awiyyah. this is the aqeedah of the khawaarij. They made takfir on Ali and Mu'awiyyah and when Ibn Abbass approached them and asked what is your problem with us? They said we fought with Ali and A'isha and they didn't give us concubines. Ibn Abbass said do you wish to take the Prophet's(saw) as a concubine? They kept silenced and were embarrassed. Many of them abandoned their rebellion against the righteous Kahlifah Ali. They announced that their campaign of war against their advesaries will continue. Ali then decided to meet them himself. He called upon them to rejoin the ranks of the Khalifah and abandon their deviant ways. He also refuted their arguments and nullified their misguided way of understandin the religion. However, they persisted in their way of the Khilafah and camped their forces at the area of An-nahrawan, The khawarij met Abdullah the son of Khabbab bin Al-aratt, a noble companion of the messenger(saw) and seized him. They asked him, "Who are you?" He replied i am Abdullah bn Khabbab the companion of the Messenger Salla Allahu Alayhi Wasallam.” They said, “Narrate to us a Hadith you heard from your father who related it to the Messenger Salla Allahu Alayhi Wasallam.” He said, “I heard my father say, ‘The Messenger of Allah, Salla Allahu Alayhi Wasallam, said, ‘There will be a Fitnah (calamity and division) in which those who sit idle are better than those who walk, and those who walk are better than those who rush. Therefore, whoever has no choice but to kill or be killed, let him be killed and let him not be the killer.’” They asked him, “What do you say regarding Abu Bakr and Umar?” Abdullah said good words of praise regarding them. They said, “What do you say with regards to At- Ta’hkim (when Ali and Mu’awiyah reverted to some of the companions to judge between them in their dispute, according to the Quran and Sunnah)?” He said, “I say that Ali has better knowledge in the Book of Allah, is more careful with the religion, and has more wisdom than you!” They said, “You do not follow the Truth and Guidance. Rather, you follow men according to their fame.” They then said to him, “This Quran (which you carry) around your neck commands us to kill you.” He said, “Whoever the Quran preserves his life, you preserve his life in turn.
When Ali bin Talib heard what Al-Khawarij did to Abdullah bin Khabbab and his family, he led an expedition of four thousand soldiers to arrest those who committed this atrocity. When he reached their area, he asked them to deliver those who killed Abdullah. They said to Ali’s emissary, “We all killed him. And, furthermore, if we catch you (meaning
Ali) we will kill you too.” Then, Ali prepared to fight them.
But before the battle commenced, he asked them, “What do you dislike as regards my matter?” They said, “We hate that you, when we fought with you on the Day (incident) of Al-Jamal, allowed for us their (the side of ‘Aaishah, Tal’hah, and Az-Zubair) possessions after we defeated them but did not allow us to seize their women and children as slaves. Why did you allow us to shed their blood and seize their possessions but not their women and children?” Ali said, “I only allowed you to seize their possession in return for their looting the Muslim treasury in the city of Basrah before I came to meet them (to convince them to end their rebellion). As for their women and children, they did not fight against us and they, therefore, still enjoyed the rights of Muslims who live in the Islamic state. Also, if I had allowed their women for you, who among you would have liked to take ‘Aaishah (the Prophet’s wife) as his share?” They became ashamed and silent. And whoever the Quran sheds his blood, give him death in turn.” Then, they brought Abdullah bin Khabbab closer to the river, and one of them, Musmi’ bin Qhadali, slit his throat. Then, they entered his house and killed his children and also his wife, who was pregnant, and slit open her stomach.

Sorry guys i went a bit in describing the khawaarijs. They said to Ibn Abbaas. Ali scratched out his title Amir-ul Mu'mineen so we found this as an insult because we gave ba'iah to Ali. Ibn Abbaas said the Prophet(SAW) said at the treaty of Hudaibiyyah "one day you Ali will be in the same boat as me and you will have to scratch out your title. So this is clear evidence that when muslims fight, it is Kufr duna Kufr because Dalha and Zubair also fought and these were among the men promised paradise. So we the people of Ahlus-sunnah believe in the aqeedah of Kufr duna Kufr because we are not Khawaarij. Sorry for repeating these words again.
But if you dismantle the sharee'ah, it is not Kufr duna Kufr, it is a major Kufr that means you are a Kafir. The salafis are the ones who believe that anyone who dismantles the sharee'ah, it is kufr duna kufr. The reason why they promote this aqeedah is because they against the Ijma of the Ummah. We love and respect Ibn Taimiyyah and Ibn Kathir very much, during their lifetime, they passed a fatwa. Ibn Kathir said in his tafsir when explaining Surah Ma'idah vs 50. He said "it is known by a necessity and it is the agreement of all the Muslims, the Ijma of the Muslims that whosoever dismantles the sharee'ah, that person is a Kafir. Ibn Taimiyyah who was the sheikh of Ibn Kathir said in his fatawaa volume 28 page 524. "that it is known of islam by necessity that if you dismantle the sharee'ah, you are a Kafir. Ibn Kathir was a bit more radical in his fatwa, he went further to say "whoever dismantle the sharee'ah, that person should be fought until he return th the sharee'ah of Muhammad (saw). When this two noble scholars passed the fatwa, no scholar in their time and even the present time opposed the fatwa. So they were correct. So since "As-suqoot ghalil al-irdaq" (silence is consent according to usool-fiqh), we have to stand by the fatwa's of this two noble scholars. The problem the Ahlus-sunnah are having with the salafis is that they (salafis) said Ibn Kathir and Ibn Taimiyyah are their sheikhs yet they go against their fatwa. This is hypocrisy of the highest order. We members of Ahlus-sunnah follow the fatwas of these two noble scholars because when they passed the fatwa, nobody opposed them. Sorry again for my much repetition. Even the sheikh who the salafis respect in person of Bn Baass. He wrote a book نواقض اسلام. He said in page six of that book, if you dismantle the sharee'ah, you are a Kafir. So anyone who says, if one dismantles the sharee'ah, it is Kufr duna Kufr is an enemy of Allah because of the verse found in surah Nisaa verse 115. Allah says "Anyone who contends with the messenger even after guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follow a way other than the path of the believers. We leave him to the path which he has chosen and we shall dump him in the Hell Fire. What an evil abode this is." This is all i can say regarding this topic. Any contribution would be welcomed. But if you want to oppose what i wrote, then you will have bring proof. Shukran

Assalam alaykum, jazakumullah for posting this topic for you have made me understand some basic facts.
I only learnt about it from a lecture in regards to dismantling the shari'ah and i never bothered to find out more. Talking about muslims fighting each other and placing it under kufr duna kufr is quite strange to me, there is an hadith of the prophet that states: when two muslims fight each other with their swords, both the murderer as well as the murdered will go to the hell-fire.(Bukhari). The hadith you quoted about abusing a muslim . . . Did the prophet use kufr duna kufr in it? Cos i know the hadith and never heard it to be fighting a muslim is kufr duna kufr. if there is another narration i would like to see it.

I didnt know about kufr duna kufr until u brought it up. I need to learn more about it. this sure is a good eye opener. thanks

When you say dismantling the Shariah, what exactly do you mean? This topic seems complex and I think it is better left at the level of theological debate in Nigeria because we do not operate in an Islamic state. Its application by individual Muslims would probably mean that all Muslims would tag the other 'a disbeliever' after any major disagreement. Why would that leave our community?

On second thought, I realise that certain parts of this concept may actually affect us as individuals and not as a collective.

Abujabir24: It literally means "kufr less than kufr" Promoting the aqeedah of kufr duna kufr which was originated from Abdullah bn Abbaas authentically reported from him. Example is if a man cheats on his wife, it is kufr duna kufr. If a man drinks alcohol, it is kufr duna kufr. The Prophet(saw) said when you insult your muslim brothe or sister, it is a sin but when you fight him/her, the it is kufr duna kufr. We the members of Ahlus-sunnah believe if muslims fight each other, it is kufr duna kufr because Ali and Mu'awiyyah fought andAli and A'isha also fought and we dont make Takfir on Ali and Mu'awiyyah. this is the aqeedah of the khawaarij. They made takfir on Ali and Mu'awiyyah and when Ibn Abbass approached them and asked what is your problem with us? They said we fought with Ali and A'isha and they didn't give us concubines. Ibn Abbass said do you wish to take the Prophet's(saw) as a concubine? They kept silenced and were embarrassed. Many of them abandoned their rebellion against the righteous Kahlifah Ali. They announced that their campaign of war against their advesaries will continue. Ali then decided to meet them himself. He called upon them to rejoin the ranks of the Khalifah and abandon their deviant ways. He also refuted their arguments and nullified their misguided way of understandin the religion. However, they persisted in their way of the Khilafah and camped their forces at the area of An-nahrawan, The khawarij met Abdullah the son of Khabbab bin Al-aratt, a noble companion of the messenger(saw) and seized him. They asked him, "Who are you?" He replied i am Abdullah bn Khabbab the companion of the Messenger Salla Allahu Alayhi Wasallam.” They said, “Narrate to us a Hadith you heard from your father who related it to the Messenger Salla Allahu Alayhi Wasallam.” He said, “I heard my father say, ‘The Messenger of Allah, Salla Allahu Alayhi Wasallam, said, ‘There will be a Fitnah (calamity and division) in which those who sit idle are better than those who walk, and those who walk are better than those who rush. Therefore, whoever has no choice but to kill or be killed, let him be killed and let him not be the killer.’” They asked him, “What do you say regarding Abu Bakr and Umar?” Abdullah said good words of praise regarding them. They said, “What do you say with regards to At- Ta’hkim (when Ali and Mu’awiyah reverted to some of the companions to judge between them in their dispute, according to the Quran and Sunnah)?” He said, “I say that Ali has better knowledge in the Book of Allah, is more careful with the religion, and has more wisdom than you!” They said, “You do not follow the Truth and Guidance. Rather, you follow men according to their fame.” They then said to him, “This Quran (which you carry) around your neck commands us to kill you.” He said, “Whoever the Quran preserves his life, you preserve his life in turn.
When Ali bin Talib heard what Al-Khawarij did to Abdullah bin Khabbab and his family, he led an expedition of four thousand soldiers to arrest those who committed this atrocity. When he reached their area, he asked them to deliver those who killed Abdullah. They said to Ali’s emissary, “We all killed him. And, furthermore, if we catch you (meaning
Ali) we will kill you too.” Then, Ali prepared to fight them.
But before the battle commenced, he asked them, “What do you dislike as regards my matter?” They said, “We hate that you, when we fought with you on the Day (incident) of Al-Jamal, allowed for us their (the side of ‘Aaishah, Tal’hah, and Az-Zubair) possessions after we defeated them but did not allow us to seize their women and children as slaves. Why did you allow us to shed their blood and seize their possessions but not their women and children?” Ali said, “I only allowed you to seize their possession in return for their looting the Muslim treasury in the city of Basrah before I came to meet them (to convince them to end their rebellion). As for their women and children, they did not fight against us and they, therefore, still enjoyed the rights of Muslims who live in the Islamic state. Also, if I had allowed their women for you, who among you would have liked to take ‘Aaishah (the Prophet’s wife) as his share?” They became ashamed and silent. And whoever the Quran sheds his blood, give him death in turn.” Then, they brought Abdullah bin Khabbab closer to the river, and one of them, Musmi’ bin Qhadali, slit his throat. Then, they entered his house and killed his children and also his wife, who was pregnant, and slit open her stomach.

Sorry guys i went a bit in describing the khawaarijs. They said to Ibn Abbaas. Ali scratched out his title Amir-ul Mu'mineen so we found this as an insult because we gave ba'iah to Ali. Ibn Abbaas said the Prophet(SAW) said at the treaty of Hudaibiyyah "one day you Ali will be in the same boat as me and you will have to scratch out your title. So this is clear evidence that when muslims fight, it is Kufr duna Kufr because Dalha and Zubair also fought and these were among the men promised paradise. So we the people of Ahlus-sunnah believe in the aqeedah of Kufr duna Kufr because we are not Khawaarij. Sorry for repeating these words again.
But if you dismantle the sharee'ah, it is not Kufr duna Kufr, it is a major Kufr that means you are a Kafir. The salafis are the ones who believe that anyone who dismantles the sharee'ah, it is kufr duna kufr. The reason why they promote this aqeedah is because they against the Ijma of the Ummah. We love and respect Ibn Taimiyyah and Ibn Kathir very much, during their lifetime, they passed a fatwa. Ibn Kathir said in his tafsir when explaining Surah Ma'idah vs 50. He said "it is known by a necessity and it is the agreement of all the Muslims, the Ijma of the Muslims that whosoever dismantles the sharee'ah, that person is a Kafir. Ibn Taimiyyah who was the sheikh of Ibn Kathir said in his fatawaa volume 28 page 524. "that it is known of islam by necessity that if you dismantle the sharee'ah, you are a Kafir. Ibn Kathir was a bit more radical in his fatwa, he went further to say "whoever dismantle the sharee'ah, that person should be fought until he return th the sharee'ah of Muhammad (saw). When this two noble scholars passed the fatwa, no scholar in their time and even the present time opposed the fatwa. So they were correct. So since "As-suqoot ghalil al-irdaq" (silence is consent according to usool-fiqh), we have to stand by the fatwa's of this two noble scholars. The problem the Ahlus-sunnah are having with the salafis is that they (salafis) said Ibn Kathir and Ibn Taimiyyah are their sheikhs yet they go against their fatwa. This is hypocrisy of the highest order. We members of Ahlus-sunnah follow the fatwas of these two noble scholars because when they passed the fatwa, nobody opposed them. Sorry again for my much repetition. Even the sheikh who the salafis respect in person of Bn Baass. He wrote a book نواقض اسلام. He said in page six of that book, if you dismantle the sharee'ah, you are a Kafir. So anyone who says, if one dismantles the sharee'ah, it is Kufr duna Kufr is an enemy of Allah because of the verse found in surah Nisaa verse 115. Allah says "Anyone who contends with the messenger even after guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follow a way other than the path of the believers. We leave him to the path which he has chosen and we shall dump him in the Hell Fire. What an evil abode this is." This is all i can say regarding this topic. Any contribution would be welcomed. But if you want to oppose what i wrote, then you will have bring proof. Shukran

MUSLIMS SHOULD NOT BE A BLIND FOLLOWERS BECOS NO ISLAMIC SCHOLAR KNOWS EVERYTHING, EVEN IF YOU TAKE A PERSON PARTICULAR TO BE YOUR SCHOLAR DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERYTHING HE SAID MUST NOT BE REFUTED IF THERE IS CLEAR CUT EVIDENT FROM THE SHARIA...ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST.

maclatunji: When you say dismantling the Shariah, what exactly do you mean? This topic seems complex and I think it is better left at the level of theological debate in Nigeria because we do not operate in an Islamic state. Its application by individual Muslims would probably mean that all Muslims would tag the other 'a disbeliever' after any major disagreement. Why would that leave our community?

On second thought, I realise that certain parts of this concept may actually affect us as individuals and not as a collective.

According to my understanding, dismantling the sharia entails the destortion of some basic sharia principles and the incomplete establishment of the sharia in an islamic state, the case of saudi arabia practicing monarchy for example. The issue is quite complex, for there are scholars who make takfir on leaders and schorlars who dismantle the sharia rather than placing them under the kufr duna kufr and they do have thier proofs from the Quran.

With all the confusion, they yet fail to uderstand. And they say usisky is a misguided dude. "Kufr duna kufr" Indeed!!

[5:48]Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them. You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD's revelations, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites. Had God willed, He could have made you one congregation. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To God is your final destiny- then He will inform you of everything you had disputed.

sighs!!!!!!

usisky: With all the confusion, they yet fail to uderstand. And they say usisky is a misguided dude. "Kufr duna kufr" Indeed!!

[5:48]Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them. You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD's revelations, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites. Had God willed, He could have made you one congregation. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To God is your final destiny- then He will inform you of everything you had disputed.

sighs!!!!!!

Relax bro. Tell me, are you Nigerian or American?

^^^Sallam.
I am very relaxed bro. Any reason why i should be tensed up?

I am very much Nigerian. Any particular reason for the spark of curiosity if i might ask?

^My mind was suggesting to me that I read it somewhere that you are American. Really, I have a 'don't assume when you can ask policy'. Hence, my question.

My brother, don't you feel that you make the Prophet (SAW) look redundant with your position on the Qur'an? He would have understood the meaning of the Qur'an after all he was taught by Angel Jubril (AS) and his understanding was expanded by Almighty Allah.

This was not the case for the Sahaba and they had to ask questions on verses and get clarifications like any student would. Many hadiths are reports of such scenarios. Surely, you understand that those hadiths are necessary for proper understanding of the Qur'an or what do you think?

@Abu..i observe in your article that you seprate ahl-sunnah and salafi please how do we recognize the salafi from ahlu-sunnah besides have they been divided from the era of our noble prophet?

@abujabir,there is no difference btw ahl us sunnah n salafi because d former sticks 2 d sunnah n d later are d 4lowers of d predecesors(salaf),d salaf ar also d people of d sunnah.And concernin if a person drinks alcohol,d rulin regardin dat is 2.1stly if d person says alcohol is halal 4 him which means he belied d Quran d person wil b regarded has a kafir n d oda rulin goes thus,if d person dat takes it knws dat alcohol is haram bt he jst can't help it, dat makes d person a sinner and nt a kafir because he recognizes d law of Allah.This is d views of d scholars.Ahlus sunnah do nt 4low their scholars blindly.Abu pls,don't confuse ppl o n stop calin d salafi hypocrites.salam alaykum.

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Five years already