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Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by 1virus(m): 9:09am On Apr 06, 2012
Eko Ile:


We didn't vote for OBJ talk less wanting him.


SE population and all the twe twe you are talking about means nothing, SE leaders are not ready for anything, they are a bunch of sellouts, they are politically weak and incompetent, they also lack focus and sense of porpose., they can't even stand each other talk less advancing their positions and their people.


They are backstabbers...look at the PDP chairmanship position, they back stabbed each other 4 times and replaced many ibo chairman within 4 years till Hausa man chance them by taking away the position from them. This position was zoned to ibo people, but since ibo people don show their hand by going with GEJ, they end up paying the price by loosing their zoned position. They got punked and this is just the beginning...


Funny enough, for Hausa man to win, they need ibo people and they'll get ibo people to go along because Hausa man need mumu and since they know Yoruba people are too smart and uncontrollable so they'll always hold their nose and go with ibo people as powerless figure head just like ZIK... den go use you and throw you away as usual.

ibo people never learn anything.


IS a pity! my igbo brothers here are ignorant of d fact that our leaders are bunch of LOOSERS, ojukwu burial is enough to tell u how useless and stupid they all are. Until d day an igbo man (polician) wins d heart of igbos at large, then we'll b talking about presidency.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by emmke(m): 9:23am On Apr 06, 2012
rotation would have assured, to a certain extent, a SE presidency by 2019. 2015 seems very unlikely, but a vp post is more realistic. Igbos should play their political cards smartly and 2023 might be their year. MHO
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by nduchucks: 10:14am On Apr 06, 2012
Sam_Ikenna:

Nigerian president is a little more than a gate keeper who makes sure no body (no group) leaves the house (breaks away from Nigeria) whether they're happy or not - if you doubt it show me what significant good has come to the region that produced the presidency.

Let me put it this way - the amount of time any given region produces the president is inversely proportional to the progress of that region.

Why then are BLers of Igbo extraction are crying about Presidency? One would think that 3 international airports have not yet been built in the SE because we have not had any Igbo President since the civil war. Tell your people to forget an Igbo Presidency and stop whining about it, if you truly believe what you posted.

People like loudmouth Beaf will run away from this thread after using Igbo block votes to get in office and subsequently telling Igbos to get lost! eeyah
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by SamIkenna: 3:12pm On Apr 06, 2012
bayooooooo: The chance of Igbo producing the president in 2015 is close to zero irrespective of the candidate they present- either good or bad.

Good candidates don't win [b] presidential[/b]l elections in Nigeria, what works is political structure. If you don't control the dominant structure, forget it, you don't even stand a chance. If you control the structure, you can even rig, suspend all the judges that will sit on your election petitions and bulldoze your way to "victory". No presidential election has been upturned in the history of Nigeria.

The emerging configuration of PDP leadership structure, if anything, does not suggest 2015 is for SE. SE can vote en mass but that does not translate to great bargaining chip if you do not have a platform to articulate your positions. If no SE candidate is presented in 2015, you will still vote anyway. But do you have a platform to extract a commitment or make a deal for something in return? You need to form an alliance but who in the east do you discuss the deal with? Who controls the structure and how tested and formidable is it? The Igbo society is highly individualistic and the idea of a leader looks more of an abberation or abomination.


If such good platform does not exist or exist and not within the dominant political structure, when that time comes that SE chapter is opened, don't be surprised that the worst political character in the East will be imposed. The choice will not be that of the East but of the guys who control the dominant structure. Check the characters that have been imposed-OBJ, Yar'Adua, Jonathan, who knows may be Theodore Oji.


You can only talk of alliance if you have a structure that other considers formidable! Forget about 2015 and start building the structure now.

I take exception to some of the points you raised but nonetheless you gave a constructive criticism and I respect you for that.

The bolded is true, however, what folks dont realize about Igbo is that we're too quick in embracing what works. We might be individualistic but as soon as we believe in something or a in someone we always show up in full force. Did you believe we would vote for GEJ the way we did? I can tell you Ijaw people including the rest of SS and Nigeria didnt see it coming because they've been taught to see us as politically unserious, divided, and soon on. In fact most comedians used to make jokes about Igbos not voting but what they didnt realize was that we didnt take voting seriously because we didnt take Nigeria seriously after the civil war. Everything that took place after the war was like a joke from the Military and we're not ready to get into the trenches with anyone rather we were interested in rebuilding our lives, establishing our Biz, and sending our kids to school to make up for the lost time. Today, that mindset is changing because we've amassed relatively substaintial resources coupled with education so we're not as doomed as we were during the early 70s and 80s.

So, back to the point I was making, even though most folks didnt anticipate what we did for GEJ, I knew we would show up in force for GEJ because we believed our votes would count and that he deserved to be president for obvious reasons. So, the issue of disunity or individualism of the Igbos is an over flogged issue, its like the belief that people have on Igbos and education - Igbos dont go to school, they only trade! Is it true all the time? nope!, was it true at some point - yes I think so, but then you ask why do people still go on today saying it like its eched in stone - Bro, stereotype is very difficult to dismantle. Like I said above, our disunity or individualism has been way over blown, pure and simple.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by belovedaja(m): 3:21pm On Apr 06, 2012
I would like to see this country break and igbo go there way when it happen.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by hakanai(m): 3:46pm On Apr 06, 2012
My position on this is simple.Right now the Igbos mostly sound as if they are on a vendetta,than coming out to stabilize and fix the mess in Nigeria.The view presented by most Igbo is almost like seeking an opportunity to get power and reck havoc to a faith and some regions.I for one feel that way.This is not by rumour, it is by the action of the Igbos everyday and everywhere.The Igbos most learn that at this critical moment of our nation,A Nationalist and qualitative leader is what the nation needs.Not some Ethnic representation.If that is what you want then better stick to the house of assembly.Do show me as a Northern person that you will represent me and identify with my problems.Also when this Issues need attention you will address in the same way as if were you kins men.Right now The Igbos have not shown a nationalistic position and always prefer to act an ethnic group at war with others or atleast seeking to avenge a lost war!
I understand the violence in the North towards certain people and it is not my place to support and enjoy same.I have not and remain innocent of any atrocities against anybody.Since in no way, have i harmed any Igbo.So how come do the Igbos prefer to see me as someone that is an Igbo murderer?Except they breed on old anger.Let me tell you that if the Igbos show concern and extend friendship they could win more hearts even in the northern enclaves.I can tell you this because i know the mood up North when some people heard Ropchas visited Kano and cleared the air about the rumours.I appreciated his bold stance and that simple room to hear from the other side than feed on the jingos in the SE.HE showed his balance view.He knew what is happening to the Igbos was not fear but also went to clear the view that they were the prime targets.
The Igbos can do it but they need to act right and leave this agenda of vendetta and identifying some section of the country as mortal enemies.If you most leade at the national level you most be the father of all and leader of NIgeria.Right now i await the contenders.Even thought Fashola,El-rufai,Dora Akunyili and Rochas are on my mind. undecided undecided undecided undecided
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by Afam4eva(m): 3:49pm On Apr 06, 2012
haka_nai: My position on this is simple.Right now the Igbos mostly sound as if they are on a vendetta,than coming out to stabilize and fix the mess in Nigeria.The view presented by most Igbo is almost like seeking an opportunity to get power and reck havoc to a faith and some regions.I for one feel that way.This is not by rumour, it is by the action of the Igbos everyday and everywhere.The Igbos most learn that at this critical moment of our nation,A Nationalist and qualitative leader is what the nation needs.Not some Ethnic representation.If that is what you want then better stick to the house of assembly.Do show me as a Northern person that you will represent me and identify with my problems.Also when this Issues need attention you will address in the same way as if were you kins men.Right now The Igbos have not shown a nationalistic position and always prefer to act an ethnic group at war with others or atleast seeking to avenge a lost war!
I understand the violence in the North towards certain people and it is not my place to support and enjoy same.I have not and remain innocent of any atrocities against anybody.Since in no way, have i harmed any Igbo.So how come do the Igbos prefer to see me as someone that is an Igbo murderer?Except they breed on old anger.Let me tell you that if the Igbos show concern and extend friendship they could win more hearts even in the northern enclaves.I can tell you this because i know the mood up North when some people heard Ropchas visited Kano and cleared the air about the rumours.I appreciated his bold stance and that simple room to hear from the other side than feed on the jingos in the SE.HE showed his balance view.He knew what is happening to the Igbos was not fear but also went to clear the view that they were the prime targets.
The Igbos can do it but they need to act right and leave this agenda of vendetta and identifying some section of the country as mortal enemies.If you most leade at the national level you most be the father of all and leader of NIgeria.Right now i await the contenders.Even thought Fashola,El-rufai,Dora Akunyili and Rochas are on my mind. undecided undecided undecided undecided

Absolute bunkum.

Why are you afraid that an Igbo presidency will correct all the wrongs that have bedeveled Igboland since after the civil war. Tell me one single nationalistic Nigerian leader since 1999. It's when it's the done of Igbos that it becomes a vendetta, okwa ya?
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by SamIkenna: 4:22pm On Apr 06, 2012
haka_nai: My position on this is simple.Right now the Igbos mostly sound as if they are on a vendetta,than coming out to stabilize and fix the mess in Nigeria.The view presented by most Igbo is almost like seeking an opportunity to get power and reck havoc to a faith and some regions.I for one feel that way.This is not by rumour, it is by the action of the Igbos everyday and everywhere.The Igbos most learn that at this critical moment of our nation,A Nationalist and qualitative leader is what the nation needs.Not some Ethnic representation.If that is what you want then better stick to the house of assembly.Do show me as a Northern person that you will represent me and identify with my problems.Also when this Issues need attention you will address in the same way as if were you kins men.Right now The Igbos have not shown a nationalistic position and always prefer to act an ethnic group at war with others or atleast seeking to avenge a lost war!
I understand the violence in the North towards certain people and it is not my place to support and enjoy same.I have not and remain innocent of any atrocities against anybody.Since in no way, have i harmed any Igbo.So how come do the Igbos prefer to see me as someone that is an Igbo murderer?Except they breed on old anger.Let me tell you that if the Igbos show concern and extend friendship they could win more hearts even in the northern enclaves.I can tell you this because i know the mood up North when some people heard Ropchas visited Kano and cleared the air about the rumours.I appreciated his bold stance and that simple room to hear from the other side than feed on the jingos in the SE.HE showed his balance view.He knew what is happening to the Igbos was not fear but also went to clear the view that they were the prime targets.
The Igbos can do it but they need to act right and leave this agenda of vendetta and identifying some section of the country as mortal enemies.If you most leade at the national level you most be the father of all and leader of NIgeria.Right now i await the contenders.Even thought Fashola,El-rufai,Dora Akunyili and Rochas are on my mind. undecided undecided undecided undecided

Nwanne, no body is on revenge mission. Igbo is neither a vindictive nation nor a war mongering nation. Always, what we seek for is better life. How Igbo became this devil hiding in the dark is beyond me. Have you asked yourself if its plausible that a man can come to Kano and build a mansion with his family in it only to be planning to burn Kano down? How can we be this vindictive knowing we have more properties in other people's lands than any group in Nigeria. The fact is you people created that myth. We dont seek revenge on any one. Besides, I thought you guys believed we're disunited so how can we then sit together to say we want revenge? You know what, I think I want revenge - good roads, electricity, education, Ending open grazing and fenced ranches for Fulani cattle owners, ending Berom vs Fulani tit-for-tat, Ending Boko Haram, Getting almajiris to school, enacting one man one wife law, returning Nigeria to regional govt with rescource control, and ending this oil-based economy is my revenge.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by Katsumoto: 4:29pm On Apr 06, 2012
Haka nai is correct somewhat.

Too many Igbo posters are too fond of telling others they are the best in Nigeria. Even Sam Ikenna, who is more sensible in his posting, is bragging about how the Igbo beat everyone else in every sphere of life.

Sadly, like Ndu chuks stated, the Igbo don't have the political sagacity to produce a Nigerian president. Boasting all the time makes others suspicious and more determined to stop you.

Achievers don't go about bragging to everyone, especially those whom they need their help.

In any case, what does it matter, where the president hails from? The solution to the problems bedeviling Nigeria requires a majority of Nigerians to change their mindset. Even a German would struggle to transform Nigeria with the sort of myopic outlook of the average Nigerian.


@ Onlylies

Quit telling lies about the NCNC. The NCNC political machinery was developed by Yoruba politicians in Lagos. See the list of officers appointed in the NCNC at its third meeting.

Herbert Macaulay - President, Azikiwe - General Secretary, Oyeshile Omage - Financial Secretary, Dr Olorun-Nimbe - Treasurer, Onojobi and Ogedengbe - Auditors, Akerele and Odunsi - Legal advicers.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by ekwynwa1: 4:35pm On Apr 06, 2012
[quote author=Eko Ile]


We didn't vote for OBJ talk less wanting him

Iyorobas didn’t ve a choice, whether they voted or not Hausa Fulani would ve still picked their Iyoroba puppet in the person of OBJ, which they actually did. SW voted for Olu Falae during the 1999 presidential election yet OBJ won, you see Iyorobas re not important after all in the scheme of national politics.


SE population and all the twe twe you are talking about means nothing, SE leaders are not ready for anything, they are a bunch of sellouts, they are politically weak and incompetent, they also lack focus and sense of porpose., they can't even stand each other talk less advancing their positions and their people.

ve your so called Iyoroba leaders worked in unison to produce any president since independent? Are Iyoroba politicians and traditional leaders not bunch of confused sell-outs? What happened to Abiola’s mandate? ve you forgotten the ignominious role played by Iyoroba leaders against Abiola’s election? Can Iyorobas really stand each other? what about the beef b/w Awolowo and Akintola? Obasanjo could not stand Awo winning an election against shagari in 1979 presidential election. Awo’s family worked against Abiola’s presidential bid in 1993.
Akala pulled down Awo’s statue in Agodi Government House and replaced it with an unknown soldier. Fashola and Tinubu shamelessly played pin pong unclad during Tinubu’s birthday celebration, so much for a people with one voice.



They are backstabbers...look at the PDP chairmanship position, they back stabbed each other 4 times and replaced many ibo chairman within 4 years till Hausa man chance them by taking away the position from them. This position was zoned to ibo people, but since ibo people don show their hand by going with GEJ, they end up paying the price by loosing their zoned position. They got punked and this is just the beginning...

Backstabbing as an exclusive reserve of Iyorobas, dig deep and unravel the genesis of Patricia Etteh’s embezzlement mess in the national assembly,you will find Bankole’s finger prints boldly embedded on the plot, little wonder OBJ loathed him so much.

Funny enough, for Hausa man to win, they need ibo people and they'll get ibo people to go along because Hausa man need mumu and since they know Yoruba people are too smart and uncontrollable so they'll always hold their nose and go with ibo people as powerless figure head just like ZIK... den go use you and throw you away as usual.

ibo people never learn anything.

Iyoroba ve never and will never produce a president that is popular amongst them, except OBJ that was foisted on them on two occasions, Hausa Fulani ve squarely fockked Iyorobas up big time. Iyorobas re national football, they ve been kicked and pushed right, left, upwards and downwards. Iyorobas have occupied the presidential chair twice, regrettably by the same man. OBJ was military president from 1976 to 1979 and civilian president from 1999 to 2007. In both instances he was a ball that was kicked up. He did not become president on either occasion by any deliberate strategy or manipulation by the Iyoroba.
Iyorobas re too mouthy and feeble minded, Hausa Fulani used Awolowo and duped him like a hot pan immediately after the civil war; they used their boy Obasanjo to stop his 1979 presidential ambition.
They used Awo’s family and other Iyoroba leaders against Abiola’s 1993 presidential aspiration. Abiola was killed like a rascal, his wife was murdered, and his business empire was crumbed. ve you ever wondered why OBJ did not pay Abiola nor ‘’June 12’’ any tribute all through his 8 yrs in office? No Iyoroba leader dead or alive has a national monument to his name.
Fashola and Tinubu just washed their dirty smelly linen the other day in public. Tinubu ve perpetually tied Iyorobas to his apron.

Hausa Fulani ve always fockked and will continue to fockk Iyorobas like mindless noise makers that they truly re .
smart people KO, stupid people Ni, Iyorobas re the ‘’mumuiest’’ of all tribes.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by ekwynwa1: 4:35pm On Apr 06, 2012
bittyend: Sometimes, I feel sorry for Igbos, I tell ya. cry

They're the most traumatized tribe in Nigeria - hence, their insecurities.

I love Igbos, I really do - and I can't deny my best friend Nwafor, neither can I deny my first love Nneka. wink

But you guys brought this upon yourselves - and all the things my parents used to tell me about Igbos are displayed everyday by NL posters - but Igbos will always be the dearest tribe to my heart in Nigeria, apart from my tribe.

For my love for the Igbo tribe - I'll definitely marry an Igbo girl.

And before I go, I'll like to tell all my Igbo brothers that I love nkwobi, oha soup, bitterleaf soup, Isi ewu, and akpu. grin



@ bitter end
Pity your sorry Iyoroba tribe, leave successful Igbos out of your mumbo-jumbo self pity, SE is better than SW excluding Lagos state that was developed by the federal government owing to its previous status as former federal capital.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by Katsumoto: 4:38pm On Apr 06, 2012
Ekwy + Nwa:



@ bitter end
Pity your sorry Iyoroba tribe, leave successful Igbos out of your mumbo-jumbo self pity, SE is better than SW excluding Lagos state that was developed by the federal government owing to its previous status as former federal capital.

Lagos state was the previous Nigerian capital? That is news to me.

I thought it was Lagos Island.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by lagcity(m): 4:39pm On Apr 06, 2012
Sam_Ikenna:

Getting almajiris to school, enacting one man one wife law, returning Nigeria to regional govt with rescource control, and ending this oil-based economy is my revenge.

ha ha ha ha. don't even go there bro. any president who tries this will be chased out of Aso Rock by his own ADC or even Aso rock Maiguard. don't even go there.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by Afam4eva(m): 4:40pm On Apr 06, 2012
Katsumoto:

Lagos state was the previous Nigerian capital? That is news to me.

I thought it was Lagos Island.

No, it was not just lagos island. So, are you going to say that Alausa is the capital of Ikeja and not other parts of Ikeja? or that FCT is the capital of Nigeria and not other parts of Abuja? Lagos Island was just where the government house was located.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by aljharem(m): 4:41pm On Apr 06, 2012
Ekwy + Nwa:



@ bitter end
Pity your sorry Iyoroba tribe, leave successful Igbos out of your mumbo-jumbo self pity, SE is better than SW excluding Lagos state that was developed by the federal government owing to its previous status as former federal capital.

LOL SMH for you !!!

Lagos Island is different from Lagos and even that Calabar was the former capital, Why don't you migrate their ? Abi was Lagos the first and the last capital

Before Lagos :- Lokoja, calabar

After lagos:- Abuja

so what makes Lagos differnet ? Mumu
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by Afam4eva(m): 4:42pm On Apr 06, 2012
lagcity:

ha ha ha ha. don't even go there bro. any president who tries this will be chased out of Aso Rock by his own ADC or even Aso rock Maiguard. don't even go there.



But you know past governments have enacted laws that were not favorable to other parts of the country and hell was not let lose.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by aljharem(m): 4:42pm On Apr 06, 2012
afam4eva:

No, it was not just lagos island. So, are you going to say that Alausa is the capital of Ikeja and not other parts of Ikeja? or that FCT is the capital of Nigeria and not other parts of Abuja? Lagos Island was just where the government house was located.

Then what makes Cross river or Kogi differnet from Lagos ?

What makes Abuja different from Lagos ?

Some of you people are funny.

We have had 2 capatals before Lagos and 1 after Lagos so what is the fixation of Lagos ?
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by Afam4eva(m): 4:43pm On Apr 06, 2012
alj harem:

LOL SMH for you !!!

Lagos Island is different from Lagos and even that Calabar was the former capital, Why don't you migrate their ? Abi was Lagos the first and the last capital

Before Lagos :- Lokoja, calabar

After lagos:- Abuja

so what makes Lagos differnet ? Mumu

I thought i explained this thing to you sometime ago and you accepted.

Lagos is different because at that time there was nothing like cross-river state but there has always been Lagos.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by lagcity(m): 4:44pm On Apr 06, 2012
afam4eva:

But you know past governments have enacted laws that were not favorable to other parts of the country and hell was not let lose.

trust me. this is just political suicide. i tell ya. men can get very violent over puccy. what past laws are you tslking about?
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by hakanai(m): 4:46pm On Apr 06, 2012
@afam4eva and sam ikenna,please go through your post and even response on any issue about say the North which am familiar with,you read post from so many Igbos and you could see they are the most critical of others and the north especially.Inshort the phobia for the North is even groomed.The others from there tone change have a mixed view which is expected.Some suggest ways,some identify the problems,some see that victims are on both sides and are sympathetic.Unlike the Igbos who will say its nemesis of the war,More is expected to befall others,The Igbos should have done more than raise an alarm,Even the rancours between regions,faith and tribe and mostly echoed by the Igbos to either create a domain along especially religous lines.So will the Igbos reject muslim votes,Northern votes(Core or MB),chiroma support?It's npot good you make an enemy of people.Even your enemy can be used to your advantage.So work towards building trusrt and bonds.Even in the era of the BH,Northern groups and leadeship try to extend the sympathy.please accept it so people know you have nothing under as revenge.As much as the crisis linger,its a security issue and not the way the media and the igbos portray it.An all out regional war.Have the Igbos offered the north a support to quash the violence with the northern folks at the fore front?All they do is try to play the victim and suggest all northerns are evil and the enemy.So how do i trust you.Soeme may say it's northern problem.Yet we have personnels of the security from all zones dying to restore peace to the nation.If today SE was attacked an external force the nation will still render her service.So render yours to this internal security issue.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by aljharem(m): 4:48pm On Apr 06, 2012
afam4eva:

I thought i explained this thing to you sometime ago and you accepted.

You explained using the FCT and the Abuja anology and I accepted but I would not accept Nigeria taking credit for Lagos because we have had 4 capitals in Nigeria so I still do not understand what makes Lagos different

Lagos being a commerical capital today is not into Law like FCT. it was by default people say it is the commercial capital and not by constitution. Thus businesses can move to other regions if they like and no one is forcing any one down.

So lets stop this rubbish that Lagos was built with Nigeria money because no one forced anyone. Not that we are not grateful but we did not force anyone.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by Katsumoto: 4:48pm On Apr 06, 2012
afam4eva:

No, it was not just lagos island. So, are you going to say that Alausa is the capital of Ikeja and not other parts of Ikeja? or that FCT is the capital of Nigeria and not other parts of Abuja? Lagos Island was just where the government house was located.

What sort of argument is that? Do you mind telling the federal presence in Somolu, Ketu, Ikeja, Epe, Ikorodu, Badagry, Ijanikin, Agege, Mushin, etc?

The other parts of Lagos were in the Western road except for federal roads which existed in every region/state. Lagos became a state in 1967 and other parts of the Western region were joined with the Island.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by aljharem(m): 4:49pm On Apr 06, 2012
Katsumoto:

What sort of argument is that? Do you mind telling the federal presence in Somolu, Ketu, Ikeja, Epe, Ikorodu, Badagry, Ijanikin, Agege, Mushin, etc?

The other parts of Lagos were in the Western road except for federal roads which existed in every region/state. Lagos became a state in 1967 and other parts of the Western region were joined with the Island.


Thank you
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by Afam4eva(m): 4:52pm On Apr 06, 2012
alj harem:

You explained using the FCT and the Abuja anology and I accepted but I would not accept Nigeria taking credit for Lagos because we have had 4 capitals in Nigeria so I still do not understand what makes Lagos different

Lagos being a commerical capital today is not into Law like FCT. it was by default people say it is the commercial capital and not by constitution. Thus businesses can move to other regions if they like and no one is forcing any one down.

So lets stop this rubbish that Lagos was built with Nigeria money because no one forced anyone. Not that we are not grateful but we did not force anyone.

Dude, you're not making any sense here because Lagos was capital when the boom in the oil industry started and lagos benefitted a great deal from that. Are you trying to tell me that the massive development in Lagos should be credited to western Nigeria even when the greatest achievement ever credit to western Nigeria is the cocoa house and free education. If you want to see what Awolowo did in western Nigeria, go to Ibadan and not Lagos.

Let me even ask you. If Lagos Island was the capital and not lagos mainland, then does it mean Ikeja was part of Ogun state or Cotonou? Just asking.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by Afam4eva(m): 4:54pm On Apr 06, 2012
Katsumoto:

What sort of argument is that? Do you mind telling the federal presence in Somolu, Ketu, Ikeja, Epe, Ikorodu, Badagry, Ijanikin, Agege, Mushin, etc?

The other parts of Lagos were in the Western road except for federal roads which existed in every region/state. Lagos became a state in 1967 and other parts of the Western region were joined with the Island.


By federal presence, i want to believe you're talking of government parastatals. These places were not the location of the seat of governnment but they benefitted from the largesse extended to Lagos as the federal capital territory. Just like lagos/Ibadan expressway is enjoying at the moment.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by aljharem(m): 5:01pm On Apr 06, 2012
afam4eva:

Dude, you're not making any sense here because Lagos was capital when the boom in the oil industry started and lagos benefitted a great deal from that. Are you trying to tell me that the massive development in Lagos should be credited to western Nigeria even when the greatest achievement ever credit to western Nigeria is the cocoa house and free education. If you want to see what Awolowo did in western Nigeria, go to Ibadan and not Lagos.

Let me even ask you. If Lagos Island was the capital and not lagos mainland, then does it mean Ikeja was part of Ogun state or Cotonou? Just asking.

Wrong again, Today we still have Oil boom, why is ain't people migrating to Abuja ?

the moreover OIL WAS NOT USED TO DEVELOP LAGOS. get that for the last time. When Lagos was the capital Nigeria oil just started.

Let even say Oil, are all those Oil found in the outside the western region yes or No ??

Abeg, Oil did not develop Lagos, People develop Lagos

Oil develop Abuja because to transformed from a plain land to a city over 5-10 year

Lagos right from the 18 th century has ALWAYS MAINTAINED HER STATUES way before any oil was discovered

This is the sort of illogical reasoning that is annoying


Was it Oil that did this ?

Lagos in 1887

[img]https://www.nairaland.com/download/675077[/img]

LAGOS IN 1913 was it Oil and Igbos that did this ? Yes or No

[img]https://www.nairaland.com/download/675078[/img]

1900 lagos, was it oil that built the rails ? angry

[img]https://www.nairaland.com/download/675079[/img]

was this oil also because that was before yorubas even knew Igbos existed or their was anything like Oil in the world

[img]https://www.nairaland.com/download/675082[/img]

Please stop those illogical argument but you have no point
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by aljharem(m): 5:03pm On Apr 06, 2012
afam4eva:

By federal presence, i want to believe you're talking of government parastatals. These places were not the location of the seat of governnment but they benefitted from the largesse extended to Lagos as the federal capital territory. Just like lagos/Ibadan expressway is enjoying at the moment.

Abegi go siddon jare, what benefit ? there were way develop before Western Nigeria was even part of this Nigeria rubbish
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by aljharem(m): 5:04pm On Apr 06, 2012
18 th century

was this Oil as well ? or because Lagos was the capital ?

[img]https://www.nairaland.com/download/675084[/img]
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by aljharem(m): 5:06pm On Apr 06, 2012
this is 1852 lagos, Zero Oil, Zero Igbos,

[img]https://www.nairaland.com/download/632610[/img]
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by aljharem(m): 5:07pm On Apr 06, 2012
was it oil that built the bridge as well ?

[img]https://www.nairaland.com/download/632757[/img]
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by Afam4eva(m): 5:10pm On Apr 06, 2012
Those things you're listing were built by the british and most of them are on the island(the supposed capital of Nigeria). What exactly is your argument.
Re: Worst Case Scenario: Southeast Loses 2015: Ndi Igbo What Next? by Katsumoto: 5:10pm On Apr 06, 2012
afam4eva:

By federal presence, i want to believe you're talking of government parastatals. These places were not the location of the seat of governnment but they benefitted from the largesse extended to Lagos as the federal capital territory. Just like lagos/Ibadan expressway is enjoying at the moment.

Please tell us what these benefits were/are.

If you want to talk about roads, the Nigerian government built roads everywhere. What some of you fail to understand is that Lagos was already developing before the British took over and Lagos was developed initially from the proceeds of Cocoa. Lets look at all the areas in Lagos, please point to one area that was developed by the federal govt. Ikoyi, Yaba, ebute Metta were developed by the British; Ikeja, Agege, Ilupeju, Ketu, were all developed by the Western region. Victoria island, Ketu, Ikorodu, etc was developed by successive Lagos state governors.

Apart from the Barracks and government parastatals on the Island, what the did the federal government build? Yes there were some positive externalities from the federal presence in Lagos but there were greater negative externalities as well.

pls ignore errors

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